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what happens to a jew who walks by himself into most ‘nongenocidal’ arab towns in the middle east ?
what happens to an arab who walks by himself into most ‘genocidal’ israeli towns in the middle east ?
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.do not base yourself on others’ opinions
base yourself on the facts which are in plain view, in the present , in the here and now ….
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.ujm> prior to Zionism Jewish life under Muslim rule was far far better than Jewish life under the rule of non-Muslims
true in many cases, but not all. You can’t average over all Muslim regimes. Still, 20th century is different and Hafez Assad is no Salahdin – it is filled with murderous regimes, many socialist but some muslim. This is not due to Zionism, but overall trends. Afghanistan, Yemen, Somali were able to oppress a lot of people far removed from zionist influence.
I have only stated a perspective on Zionism and I have had my Jewish lineage questioned, I’ve been accused of being a Jew hater, a Muslim, a non-jew, and told I’m going to gehenom.
Not once did I name call, or poke fun of you, or question your Jewishness, only stated perspectives.
In logic what your doing is called “ad hominem” when you focus your attack on my character instead of focusing on the issue at hand that I am raising.
I’ve also been called “he” multiple times, I’ll have you know you are debating with a woman.
And a woman who knows her stuff b’h.
Zionism as it is today is not inherently part of Jewish beliefs. If anything it is against those beliefs. Rav Avigdor Miller was strongly against this “atheist” state and encouraged flag burning.
Zionism is a nationalist supremest ideology. It serves the goals of the US and US christians more than it does Jews. If anything it puts Jewish lives at risk.
Beyond that it is murdering countless Palestinians, humans, children. Not all Hamas! They are bombing school, hospitals, creating starvation campaigns. We treat our animals better that Israel is treating the Palestinians (who you insist on calling the “local arabs.”)
Hello! There were people who lived in the land of Israel before the Zionist movement began. Large swaths of them. Arab Jews, muslims and christians. And the Zionist movement aimed to change that. To wipe the face of the map of the “bad human product” sitting in the land. These were people, families, communities, moved by force or threat from their homes and not allowed to return.
And yet any American with a dream can get a slice of land in Palestine. White Americans who ARE safe in the US can just pick up and go to a land that isn’t there’s and hasn’t been for milenia and claim it as their “birthright.” While Palestinians sit in an open air prison, in horrific conditions, not made that way because of tunnels or Hamas, but because of Israeli blockades among other factors. All funded of course by US and all in the interest of the US and their allies. This has almost nothing to do with Judaism, it’s a convient excuse for the west to claim a strategic land and military base. And cover up their genocide and defend any criticism of it with the claim of antisemitism.
This is not a Jewish state. This is a genocidal nationalist movement made to further US global interests. And now we are losing Jewish lives and wasting time we could be learning Torah and doing actual mitzvos talking about this
But here I am, because honestly I do see this as a mitvza, to bring people to see the light here. It’s deeply upsetting how far klal yisrael has gone off the derech on this issue. Ready to defend a literal genocide. For what??? Hashem protects we don’t need the murderous IDF.Radical anti-Zionists who want to dismantle the State of Israel,
more than 75 years after it was founded,
are like a mother who decides that she wants to abort her own child,
when that child is 25-years-old.Any mother who wants to “abort” her 25-year-old child
is a lunatic and a rodaif, and anyone who wants to
dismantle the State and Army of Israel, more than
75 years after they were founded, is also a lunatic and a rodaif.Every member of the Neturei Karta is a LUNATIC.
Every member of the Neturei Karta is a RODAIF.
Every member of the Neturei Karta is a MOSAIR.
Every member of the Neturei Karta is a TRAITOR.
Every member of the Neturei Karta is a CHILLUL HASHEM.
Every member of the Neturei Karta is guilty of helping to make anti-Semitism great again.
in respect to the sad argument who is our worse enemy at certain time period, maybe we are not very good at predicting that, and finding explanations bdieved is not really a kuntz. As R Soloveitchik writes – the anonymity of the Ish that Yaakov is fighting symbolizes exactly that – we are not able to tell where the danger might come from. His example is that socialists were preaching that capitalism is causing antisemitism, and then they came to power and became even worse ones.
““That being said, what I earlier stated that prior to Zionism Jewish life under Muslim rule was far far better than Jewish life under the rule of non-Muslims is absolutely 100% undisputable fact.””
YYA is right. Go learn history. Perhaps that was the case in the Middle Ages (I would contest that considering that taxes on non-Muslims, especaily Jews, were essentially extortion and protection payments to the mob, and certainly the treatment of Jews in Yemen was always abominable ), it certainly has not been the case for several hundred years already.
flaming OTD is totally disqualified from commenting on this subject
her suggestions are not reality based ,
her suggestions are not torah based
her suggestions are downright dangerous
she never learnt gemarah
she never learnt how to derive the halacha lemaaseh from the poskim
how on earth does she think that she is qualified to voice her am haarets opinion, on something which requires at least 23 dayanim
smuchim to sit together and explore those dinei nefashot bechoved rosh ???
utter stupidity or utter ga’ava or both , to think she is qualified to voice her opinion
she should close her mouth
and firmly so.
ujm said: “HaGaon HaRav Elazar Menachem Man Shach zt”l point is the same if surrendering the entire State would result in peace, HaGaon HaRav Elazar Menachem Man Shach zt”l psak is then it is obligatory to surrender the entire State. Yes, absolutely, as I said earlier, HaGaon HaRav Elazar Menachem Man Shach zt”l said if it results in peace.”
Is Rav Shach ז״ל on record saying that explicitly about the ENTIRE State, or is this your interpretation? Does anyone sane seriously think such an option exists or will exist without a complete reprogramming of 500M Arabs and 2G Muslims worldwide? (Something that probably isn’t happening before Moshiach comes.)
ujm – You keep on babbling about how the Arabs/Muslims were supposedly so wonderful to the Jews until Zionism came along. Even אם תמצי לומר that your thesis is true (it isn’t), the Arab mentality doesn’t care. If they hate Jews now, THEY THINK that they ALWAYS hated Jews, and that’s how they program their kids. They don’t believe in binary true/false or in history as an immutable reality, or in REALITY ITSELF as an immutable reality. So it doesn’t matter that factually at certain times in the past they were “so-so plus”, which qualified in the Middle Ages as a “Golden Age”. What matters is how THEY see their identity and history NOW. Not how you and your friends sitting somewhere you fool yourself into thinking is a safe distance away think they see themselves.
flamingOTD is invited to share her recipes …
then she will at least have some qualifications standing behind her ‘wisdom’ ….
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