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@somejew
A] disagree with all of your answers but will look at SH’A 157 again.
B] your answer is not addressing the question —
the question is re the immediate p/n resulting from inaction of the IDF [!] …. not about the situation WITH IDF’s ACTIONyou attempt to prove the lack of p/n in EY from the fact that no people run away in the present … you totally ignore the fallacy of this proof …
the reason they do not run away is a result of the IDF’s activities … the question was re p/n WHEN THE IDF is INACTIVE …
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you are straw manning my words — I never advocated for mass aliah to EY … I advocate for an honest open minded FACT BASED normative halachik analysis of the situation
without being pre-obligated and biased to zionist ideology , nor to antizionist ideology
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firstly – this entire discussion IS ABOUT the potential dismantlement of the medina and the IDF
secondly – there IS NO SERIOUS ATTEMPT AT ALL on your behalf to provide exact details of a replacement government
thirdly – you totally ignore the plain fact that ‘evil parties’ are right now , as we debate , threatening lives …..
and you totally ignore the main issue … not whether there SHOULD be the option to leave ….
rather the main issue is whether there WILL BE the option to leave ….
what SHOULD BE is totally irrelevant ….
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so -the question again :
What is your reasonable practical plan how ‘running away’ is going to preclude the p/n resulting from the IDF being inactive ….you are talking about millions ‘running away’ … all ages ….sucklings and grandmothers …. healthy people and sick people ….
…. wheelchairs and stretchers … double buggies and pregnant mothers ….What is your reasonable practical plan where this ‘running away’ is going towards … towards which country ….
you have not furnished any reasonable practical details …What is your reasonable practical timetable re how long this ‘running away’ of millions is going to take …
and what reasonable and practical safeguards do you have for the safety of those millions while the ‘running away’ is going on …..
C] you seem to pretend to make a uturn now , while plausibly still secretly maintaining that rav chaim is a zuken mamre
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D] I still maintain that in the past these were your claims . But you are not obligated to maintain them in the present .
so — for the present : can you clarify your position ?
Given that hatsala responds with hilul shabat to address even avoidable and previously self created emergencies …. do you agree that jews should respond with hilul shevu’a to address avoidable and previously self created emergencies ?
I have no more time now — but will bln continue
in case you forgot, I’m still waiting for your full response
just to keep us on track, I am waiting for you to finish and respond to the following unanswered questions:
E] I don’t understand your question. Do you know what “haluche” is? Currently there is much psak haluche vis a vis the zionists, which a zionist kofer would transgress. The avnei nezer DOES say that one is (of course!) obligated to keep the Talmudic teaching we call the “Shulosh Sevios”, despite them not having been generally established (in his time) psak haluche. It would certainly , according to any koshe Jew and certainly the Avnei Nezer, an aveira to not keep ANY letter of the Torah including the “shulosh shevios”
F] Sounds like you are conceding the point. You earlier wrote ” the steipler clearly writes that the mere existence of the medina is not against the shavu’ot”. Now you seem to admit that STEIPLER DID NOT WRITE THAT. Is it true that you were wrong?
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YOU have ignored the following:
>> you have never owned up to point that halacha everywhere is not decided by what would , could or should have been — only by what is …
>I have no idea what you are talking about or asking
G] Have you conceded that what you wrote here is nonsense?>> you have never owned up to the fact that avnei nezer clearly writes that haskamat ha’umot will negate the shavu’ot
>I’ve never been asked this. where does the Avnei Nezer say this? (please quote exact line, as some of his tshivas are very long)
H] Have you conceded that AVNEI NEZER DID NOT WRITE THAT. Is it true that you were wrong?Once I have your full response, I will happily give my feedback.
Have not forgotten about you …
How could I …
You are the only one from whom I get such terrific compliments …
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.@yankel-berel
i don’t compliment reshoyimmaharl diskin says that those who are dan lekaf chov are not harming the people they are dan
they harm themselves ….
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.let me remind you of the “dan lkaf chov” words of yours that got you here:
This seems like an established pattern
A] somejew posts something extreme and objectionable
B] other posters reply and disagree
C] somejew replies and calls them priests , fools , idolaters etc
D] the other posters respond in kind and somejew receives the same vitriol back in his own face
E] somejew gets offended and disappears
F] after a while , somejew gets over it and starts afresh
G] back to A again ….
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the only way somejew is able to disprove the above post
is by supplying a point by point, fact and logic based answer , to each and every question
without running away ….
what somejew was doing till now , was plain …. running away …
it s high time somejew is accountable for the shenanigans he is posting
meanwhile you seem to be “too busy” to admit you are wrong. I’ve always been curious, does the erev rav realize they are the erev rav, or do you really think you are jewish? but please, don’t bother answering, i don’t want you to get distracted from answering the above long-delayed response to the above.
Seems that in somejew’s tanach it says “veameich kulam reshaim” instead of “veameich kulam tsadikim” …..
it seems that somejew has a different torah , different to the torah of klal yisrael ledoroteihem …
in somejew’s torah there seems no place for elu ve’elu …
in somejew’s torah , facts and logic don’t seem to matter
in somejew’s torah , there is no openness to arrive at a conclusion kedarka shel tora
in somejew’s torah every maskana is predetermined to be subservient to a rigid and narrow ideological straightjacket
no wonder that somejew ends up being megaleh panim batorah shelo kehalacha and in the process being mevazah gdolei olam ….
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humility …..
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.I have no idea why you keep attacking me, when I have said nothing controversial for a Torah honest Jew.
I answered all your long list of questions, and I am still waiting for you to admit you were wrong.Now you are introducing more nonsense questions that reflect both insincerity and ignorance, which I can also answer. But, let’s not lose track of finishing up your first list and your consistent mistakes and foolish claims.
I am waiting now more than two weeks for you to simply say “I was wrong”
Yankel Berel is correct:
This seems like an established pattern:
[A] somejew posts something extreme and objectionable.
[B] other posters reply and disagree.
[C] somejew replies and calls them priests , fools , idolaters etc.
[D] the other posters respond in kind and somejew receives the same vitriol back in his own face.
[E] somejew gets offended and disappears.
[F] After a while, somejew gets over it, and starts afresh.
[G] back to A again ….
lol.
according to somejew , his debaters are
A] fools
B] priests
C] reshaim
D] ignoramuseswhat does that say about somejew …..
about his humility …..
about his midot …..
Besides the point … legufo shel inyan … od chazon lamo’ed ….
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.@square_root
when did I “get offended and disappear”?I was clear in what I wrote.
@yankel-berel
why would the bad character of people who disagree with me have anything to with me, my humility status, or my midos?your response only proves my point …
.I’m still waiting for your response “kedarka shel tora”.
or have you hypocritically choosen to “disappear”?Of course, you are like other “religious zionist” fools and “catholic” fools who don’t care about Torah except to serve their idolatry.
I continue to doubt you will admit you are wrong, instead ignoring my above pointed questions.the undeserved epithets you routinely throw at your innocent debaters serve as additional proof to what I wrote ….
fools ….
zionist ….
catholic …..
dont care about torah ….
idolatry ….
response kedarka shel torah will come bln ….
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.the epithets i delivered are deserved. additionally,i don’t know who debating here is claiming to be innocent If you are indeed ignorant in a matter, don’t start arguing a random position of “sheriris liboi” and then get upset for being called out on that.
In any case, @yankel-berel, it’s now been over 20 days that you have delayed responding to my simple request to apologize for (or defend) your cruel words and baseless accusation.
I stand by my words with Torah and nothing else. When I am wrong, I admit it. That is why I am not a zionist priest like you.
Please stop avoiding the facts of our Holy Torah, do tshiva, and respond to the above questions honestly and maybe you will have a chance to get out of your mess.
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