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  • #1629140

    Health
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    Illogical Mom – Regarding TDaP & Pertussis – “All it does is lessen or remove symptoms of the actual vaccinee”

    Your right. But how come they don’t give DTP anymore? I’ll tell you why – because you Anti-vaxxers convinced the Gov. that it is dangerous – so it’s not available (Usually).
    So if s/o dies from Pertussis nowadays – it’s the Fault of the Anti-vaxxers!

    #1629155

    justme22
    Participant

    I do think is possible for the cdc to hide risks but not out of evil but rather by assessing what’s the biggest risk for society.
    The fact is whenever you put any foreign substance in the body there will be reactions , this includes over the counter meds. A baby in development is of course much more fragile.. I’m not an anticaxxer because I believe vaccines for certain illnesses have more benefits than risks ( percentage of risk potential of benefit )
    Trump suggested ( he is no dr but often the rich hace access to unusual options) during the debates that he vaccinated his kids “slowly “ and not with the full dose of each led at once to me that’s seems like a tangible option for those with fears.
    I wonder if there is any medical counter measure that can be practiced as far detoxing from the possible harms while maintaining the immunity of the vaccines (just like probitics are now recommended for antibiotics)

    #1629188

    Milhouse
    Participant

    Re William Thompson, here are the facts: leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2017/02/10/a-look-back-at-the-so-called-cdc-whistleblower-story-and-how-vaxxed-is-misleading/

    The facts are that the correlation his study found in African-American boys vaccinated at 36 months was entirely due to parents vaccinating their already-autistic children to get them into special ed schools. His claim to have found a correlation at 24 months was simply not true. His own numbers show that there was no correlation at 24 months, so when he said there was he did not tell the truth. (Note that even he absolutely supports vaccination.)

    #1629177

    truthishidden
    Participant

    2scents
    Thank you, you have now proven that the vaccines are effective and we can now stop harassing those that choose not to vaccinate.

    #1629176

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    “Detoxing” is a vague term most commonly used to sell snake oil.

    #1629212

    2scents
    Participant

    Truthhidden,

    Who is talking about harrasing? I dont think anyone should be harrased. If people are spreading miss information they should be called out.

    With regards to the argument, if vaccines are effective you have nothing to worry about me not vaccinating.

    I mentioned this in an earlier post, yet will briefly touch on it once again.

    A. Children under 12 months are generally not immune.
    B. Children that only received one MMR shot are not fully immune.
    C. Immuno compromised people, do not have immunity.
    D. Immunity is generally 95-97% (regardless if immune by vaccine or actual virus).

    So, we care about our children, the sick and those that fall through the cracks.

    Does that make sense to you?

    #1629208

    doomsday
    Participant

    Thank you. We are living in an OLAM HASHEKER and it takes RESEARCH to uncover the Truth.

    #1629211

    doomsday
    Participant

    YOUR ARE WRONG! According to CDC and FDA government organizations Thimerosal contains Mercury (50%)
    CDC quote: “Thimerosal is a mercur y-containing compound ”
    FDA quote: “Thimerosal, which is approximately 50% mercury by weight”
    Per the FDA, Thimerosal was Removed because babies were getting More Mercury then EPA says was safe:
    FDA quote: infants could have been exposed to cumulative levels of mercury during the first six months of life that exceeded Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) recommended guidelines for safe intake of methylmercury.
    At the same time Thimerosal was removed from vaccines, CDC began recommending Thimerosal containing FLU Shots for Pregnant women and Babies. So Thimerosal exposure was not reduced – it was just SHUFFLED around. That is why Autism rates did not go down. Then CDC LIED and said “See, we removed Thimerosal and autism rates went up”. CDC did not remove Thimerosal – they ADDED Thimerosal FLU SHOTS at the same time as they removed Thimerosal from other vaccines. And even Thimerosal-Free Vaccines CONTAIN “trace amounts” of Thimerosal. So why do they LIE and write Thimerosal Free on the vaccine?

    #1629258

    ipchamistabra
    Participant

    To all those discussing studies of vax vs non-vax: Sure studies have been done – by a doctor who served the Amish community for many decades. Haven’t got my sourse material to hand (it’s packed away cause I’m moving house, but it shouldn’t be too hard to find.

    #1629270

    ipchamistabra
    Participant

    It doesn’t happen immediately – as on the spot. It can happen 24 hrs later. I personally know a family in Jerusalem who have a 20 yr old (approx) child in permanent vegatitive state. That child was a beautiful lively boy – until he was vaxxed. Not too long after they got home he started having seizures, and he slowly deteriorated till by the time was about 10, he was hospitalized full-time.

    Seeing something like that is a very quick and simple way to have the greatest fear of those vaxxes.

    And for the idiot who asked: why doesn’t it happen to everybody? The researchers (even pro-vaxx) recognize that there can be a genetic predispostion – just no one has bothered to invest in trying to discover what that could be.

    #1629281

    DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    As painful as these stories are, they don’t prove anything.

    #1629290

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    Why are antivaxxers obsessed with autism?

    #1629299

    Yserbius123
    Participant

    @doomsday

    If thimerisol contains mercury making it dangerous to ingest, then salt contains chloride making it dangerous to eat, water contains hydrogen making it dangerous to drink, etc.

    The chemical compound is made up of mercury which is a completely different ballgame than the dangerous form of liquid metal mercury.

    #1629293

    Health
    Participant

    doomsday -“YOUR ARE WRONG! According to CDC and FDA government organizations Thimerosal contains Mercury (50%)
    CDC quote: “Thimerosal is a mercur y-containing compound ”
    FDA quote: “Thimerosal, which is approximately 50% mercury by weight”
    FDA quote: infants could have been exposed to cumulative levels of mercury during the first six months of life that exceeded Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) recommended guidelines for safe intake of methylmercury.”

    Where did they get it? From paint or fish?
    I hate to do this but the so-called “Frum” Anti-vaxxers can’t stop with their LYING!
    I’d like to just ignore them, but they caused/causing an epidemic in Frum commmunties everywhere.

    From the CDC:
    “Thimerosal is a mercury-based preservative that has been used for decades in the United States in multi-dose vials (vials containing more than one dose) of medicines and vaccines. There is no evidence of harm caused by the low doses of thimerosal in vaccines, except for minor reactions like redness and swelling at the injection site. However, in July 1999, the Public Health Service agencies, the American Academy of Pediatrics, and vaccine manufacturers agreed that thimerosal should be reduced or eliminated in vaccines as a precautionary measure.

    Thimerosal contains ethylmercury.
    Mercury is a naturally occurring element found in the earth’s crust, air, soil, and water. Two types of mercury to which people may be exposed — methylmercury and ethylmercury — are very different.
    Methylmercury is the type of mercury found in certain kinds of fish. At high exposure levels methylmercury can be toxic to people. In the United States, federal guidelines keep as much methylmercury as possible out of the environment and food, but over a lifetime, everyone is exposed to some methylmercury.
    Thimerosal contains ethylmercury, which is cleared from the human body more quickly than methylmercury, and is therefore less likely to cause any harm.
    Thimerosal prevents the growth of bacteria in vaccines.
    Thimerosal is added to vials of vaccine that contain more than one dose (multi-dose vials) to prevent growth of germs, like bacteria and fungi. Introduction of bacteria and fungi has the potential to occur when a syringe needle enters a vial as a vaccine is being prepared for administration. Contamination by germs in a vaccine could cause severe local reactions, serious illness or death. In some vaccines, preservatives, including thimerosal, are added during the manufacturing process to prevent germ growth.
    The human body eliminates thimerosal easily.
    Thimerosal does not stay in the body a long time so it does not build up and reach harmful levels. When thimerosal enters the body, it breaks down to ethylmercury and thiosalicylate, which are readily eliminated.
    Thimerosal has been shown to be safe when used in vaccines.
    Thimerosal use in medical products has a record of being very safe. Data from many studies show no evidence of harm caused by the low doses of thimerosal in vaccines.
    There are some side effects of thimerosal in vaccines.
    The most common side-effects are minor reactions like redness and swelling at the injection site. Although rare, some people may be allergic to thimerosal.
    Scientific research does not show a connection between thimerosal and autism.
    Research does not show any link between thimerosal in vaccines and autism, a neurodevelopmental disorder. Many well conducted studies have concluded that thimerosal in vaccines does not contribute to the development of autism. Even after thimerosal was removed from almost all childhood vaccines, autism rates continued to increase, which is the opposite of what would be expected if thimerosal caused autism.”

    #1629317

    Logical mom
    Participant

    2cents-
    I know this conversation will go nowhere with u and im not trying to convince u not to,vaccinate, but to keep quoting what we all know from cdc, Wikipedia etc is meaningless. And to,quote the percentage of Drs who are anti vaccine is senseless because u dont know that many more are. It arent public about it for fear of being “wakefielded”…
    To quote how ridiculous Dr Humphries is for what she says about polio and smallpox just proves my point. Hurray for Wikipedia that u came up with all that on your own (clap clap).
    Maybe after you spend the necessary few hours reading her books and/or listening to her lectures, you’ll underrstand why she feels that. She is a double board certified MD after all, and has spent the last decade researching vaccines. Left her job, all the $ and prestige to pursue the truth. She is way more qualified than u to come to any vaccine conclusions. So many comments on ywn are about ppl like you shouting at the vaccine educated, “where are your medical credentials….??” And why do all of u think that u can comment against these brilliant Drs without any credentials yourself??
    Pathetic how brainwashed u all are
    Done

    #1629326

    doomsday
    Participant

    “Even after thimerosal was removed from almost all childhood vaccines, autism rates continued to increase, which is the opposite of what would be expected if thimerosal caused autism.”
    Health, I answered that. At the same time thimerosal was removed from child vaccines, CDC began recommending FLU vaccines for pregnant women and babies/children. THese flu shot contain
    25 mcg Thimerosal! And the so called “thimerosal-free” vaccines still contain so-called “trace amounts” of
    Thimerosal. So Thimerosal was not really removed, it was SHUFFLED Around. That is why Autism rates continued to rise.

    #1629346

    truthishidden
    Participant

    2scents,
    A. Children under 12 months are generally not immune.
    According to the way Hashem designed the world children under 12 mo. would have the mother’s immunity,
    but since the mother’s are only artificially immune, bec they’re vaccinated, the babies are now vulnerable.

    B. Children that only received one MMR shot are not fully immune.
    Don’t blame the people that choose not to use the product that the product is not effective.

    C. Immuno compromised people, do not have immunity.
    People that are immuno compromised are generally suffering from a vaccine injury.

    #1629348

    Doing my best
    Participant

    HRSA .GOV ON VACCINE INJURIES
    “How many petitions have been awarded compensation?
    According to the CDC, from 2006 to 2016 over 3.1 billion doses of covered vaccines were distributed in the U.S. For petitions filed in this time period, 5,564 petitions were adjudicated by the Court, and of those 3,773 were compensated. THIS MEANS FOR EVERY 1 MILLION DOSES OF VACCINE THAT WERE DISTRIBUTED, 1 INDIVIDUAL WAS COMPENSATED.

    Since 1988, over 20,018 petitions have been filed with the VICP. Over that 30-year time period, 17,536 petitions have been adjudicated, with 6,276 of those determined to be compensable, while 11,260 were dismissed. Total compensation paid over the life of the program is approximately $4.0 billion.”

    Remember, those are facts.

    OK, so we have about 10,000 vaccine injuries since 1988. (including unreported and unfairly uncompensated)
    let’s do some math. Since 1988, USA population has gone up by around 41 million. According to the CDC, 1 in a thousand measles cases die. if there were no vaccines everyone would have gotten the measles. This means that 41,000 of those 41 million would have died. so we have the option of either 10,000 vaccine injuries vs. 41,000 deaths.
    Which do you think is worse?

    Convinced?

    #1629395

    Yserbius123
    Participant

    @LogicalMom As you agree that you were wrong about thimerisol due to a misunderstanding of how chemistry works, perhaps you can take a second look at everything else you believe about vaccinations?

    And I’ve read Dr. Humphries’s essay. I don’t need to be smarter than her or more qualified than her to say it’s nonsense. I just need to find people that are. And it’s not very difficult. I’ve found almost no one as smart and as qualified as her that actually agrees with her and literally thousands who consider her a dangerous quack. Why do you insist on following the insignificant minority of experts who hold of her and ignore the overwhelming vast majority of unbiased opinions that consider her a liar?

    #1629394

    iamfenster
    Participant

    OK, I went and read the study cited. It DOES NOT say that under vaccinated kids are healthier. Quite the opposite. Did the original poster actually read the study? The whole study? I don’t think he did.

    #1629393

    WinnieThePooh
    Participant

    truthishidden
    some comments on your last post to 2cents about those who are not protected by vaccination
    1. population under 12 months. Mother transferring immunity to their babies requires that they nurse their babies. Without going into whether it is good or bad, this would never cover all the babies, as nursing is not done 100% of that time for 12 months. Also, I do not believe that the immunity lasts as long as 12 months. For chicken pox, for example, it only lasts for 6 months. My fully nursing baby caught chicken pox at 9 months from her siblings- too old to be protected by maternal antibodies but too young to acquire immunity for the future.
    2. When 2cents referred to those who were not fully covered because they only got 1 dose, he was referring I believe to children who were not yet of age for the booster, not those who did not comply.
    3. When he referred to immuno-compromised people, he meant those that did not get the vaccine because of their conditions, not those that allegedly became immuno-compromised due to the vaccine. Anyway, I thought the theory was that vaccines lead to over-active immune systems- increased allergies, autoimmune disease; this group is the opposite- their immune systems are deficient and would not be able to deal with the the vaccine, and even more so, the disease.

    #1629415

    interjection
    Participant

    “She is a double board certified MD after all, and has spent the last decade researching vaccines. Left her job, all the $ and prestige to pursue the truth.”

    She sounds like such a noble selfless person. I am inspired. </sarcasm>

    She became a lot more famous and gained a cult like following only after leaving her job and becoming an (uncertified) homeopath.

    I would find it very hard to believe that she earned more per year when she was a nephrologist than what she’s earning now with her speaking tours and as one of the leaders of the anti vax movement.

    #1629410

    Health
    Participant

    doomsday -“CDC began recommending FLU vaccines for pregnant women and babies/children. THese flu shot contain 25 mcg Thimerosal! And the so called “thimerosal-free” vaccines still contain so-called “trace amounts” of Thimerosal. So Thimerosal was not really removed, it was SHUFFLED Around. That is why Autism rates continued to rise.”

    Your posts are getting more absurd by the minute! Do me a favor – don’t respond anymore to me.
    But I’ll explain this one – how many kids in the US actually get the Flu shot? Parents are very reluctant to give it.
    So the CDC is correct – “Even after thimerosal was removed from almost all childhood vaccines, autism rates continued to increase, which is the opposite of what would be expected if thimerosal caused autism.”
    The CDC said “almost” to mean it’s still in the Flu vax and maybe some others.
    I’ll tell why autism & ASD are increasing – because once upon a time they called e/o mentally retarded,
    now the psychologists have defined those disorders separately.

    #1629452

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    If you don’t differentiate between the types of autism, it’s a useless statistic. A lot of people with autism were once just called nerds.

    #1629451

    ubiquitin
    Participant

    illogical mom,
    ” And why do all of u think that u can comment against these brilliant Drs without any credentials yourself??”

    for the record, I have the same board certifications she has, and she is a quack taking advantage of simpletons and using it to CREATE (not “leave”) a job with a cult following of illiterate simpletons th t she could impress with her “double board” certification

    #1629554

    2scents
    Participant

    truthishidden
    Participant

    A. Maternal immunity does not last 12 months. regardless if the mother has immunity from measles or from the vaccine.
    B. MMR shots are effective, as is evident from the very studies you have posted, it requires two for full immunity.
    C. Please do not mix your personal assumptions in a fact-finding discussion,

    #1629603

    doomsday
    Participant

    Folks, when a Pro-Vaxxer tells me not to respond to them anymore it means they can’t refute my argument!
    As for the claim that Autistic children existed in the past, they were just called “mentally retarded”
    Per a 1982 GOVERNMENT report titled “Prevalence of Mentally Retarded” in 1980 the prevalence of
    severely retarded was 1:250. Today NON VERBAL Autism is 1:140 – that is almost DOUBLE!
    1:6 children have a learning disability today!!!

    #1629647

    2scents
    Participant

    Doomsday,

    I am not pro vaxx, i am pro facts. There is zero evidence to support the claims and all the evidence that point against your claims.

    No one said not to respond to you, only that your assumptions are not worthy of a response, why would you think that your assumptions carry any weight?

    Once again, your bent on ‘winning’ as if this is some debate, completely dishonest and searching for anything that would support your unfounded theories. Instead look at the data and facts and let that be the deciding factor.

    #1629560

    2scents
    Participant

    To understand the seriousness of the discussion:

    June 1999. A religiously affiliated school in the Netherlands had a large measles outbreak, 160 cases of measles of school students.

    Total cases of measles were 2961.
    510 patients were hospitalized.
    3 died as a result of the measles.
    95% of affected patients were unvaccinated,
    5% were vaccinated, with 80% (of the 5%) having received just the initial MMR shot, the rest were unknown if they have received a second shot or not.

    This demonstrates the seriousness of the measles virus.

    #1629778

    Milhouse
    Participant

    Oooh, a GOVERNMENT REPORT! I’m so impressed.

    There’s no point in arguing with someone who is simply a liar. All one can do is expose their lies so others shouldn’t be misled.

    #1629840

    Health
    Participant

    Milhouse -“There’s no point in arguing with someone who is simply a liar.”

    There’s a reason for their lying – it’s called PROFIT! Unfortunately even within the Frum communities, people have abandoned Medical Science & started relying on Unproven or dangerous therapies.
    So the unscrupulus sellers of alternative therapies have taken advantage of this situtation!

    #1630026

    2scents
    Participant

    It seems that some people are either unaware or just refuse to know the facts surrounding the Wakefield story.

    Andrew Wakefied, a GI surgeon, (not a pediatric specialist) came out with a study that showed a link between the MMR vaccine and autism. Specifically the MMR vaccine and not the single vaccine or the measles virus.

    Despite no one being able to get the same results he supposedly obtained, the study was still damaging and made people scared.

    Later it was revealed that despite claiming no conflict of interest, Wakefield was being paid an hourly fee by Attorney Jonathan Barr who was working on a class action lawsuit against the pharmaceutical companies to conduct the ‘study’, all that was needed was a study and expert witness, Wakefiled was willing to satisfy both of Barrs problems.

    Furthermore, Wakefield had patented a ‘safe vaccine’ prior to even conducting his study.

    Basically the results were in before the study was even conducted, now they just had to have it on paper so they can cash out.

    Ok, so we all know that Wakefield is guilty of hiding his conflict of interest and also wanting to monetize from all of this, does this mean that the results should be discarded?

    So Wakefield further lied about having approval of the ethics committee on the tests that were done, including invasive tests on the children, extremely unethical.

    Unethical and lied, while this does not yet disprove his study, these were the grounds for Wakefield losing is license and partial redaction.

    Brian Deer, (investigative reporter, mainly against pharmaceutical companies) began digging deeper and unearthed that every single piece of data Wakefield presented in his study was manipulated only so that it supports Wakefields theory.

    a. 12 children were included in the study.
    b. Some were never diagnosed with autism, despite Wakefield stating that all were diagnosed with autism.
    c. Most children had noted behavioral symptoms that were documented by their pediatricians before receiving the MMR shot consistent with their later diagnosis. Wakefield wrote they were all perfectly normal prior to the MMR Shot. Conveniently omitting this very important fact.
    d. Wakefield wrote that the onset of symptoms for all children were within 6 to 14 days after getting the MMR shot, the parents all said that this was not correct and not even what they had told Wakefield, even the parents that were under the impression that the vaccine resulted in their child’s symptoms, stated that symptoms began 6 to 12 moths later. Wakefield knew that falsifying this data is vital in order to use the study in a trial against vaccine companies.
    e. Unlike wakefield reported in his study, all children aside from one had noted on their charts (by the Royal Free hospital where the ‘study’ was conducted) that their bowel was normal, this was changed by Wakefield to fit his theory.
    f. As Nick Chadwick revealed, Wakefields own lab actually proved him wrong, yet he lied in his reports.
    g. As was later revealed, two other labs had failed to get the results that Wakefield claimed to have gotten, this was not in the study.

    Just in case someone says that there is a huge conspiracy here, its very true and it was uncovered and proven by Brian Deer.

    The entire study was a fabrication, all with the intention of making a lot of money. Not only was there a huge conflict of interest and extremely unethical, the entire study had fabricated data.

    #1630195

    truthishidden
    Participant

    Wakefield’s study is far from the only reason people choose not to vaccinate.

    #1630352

    josh18
    Participant

    This measles hysteria has further hurt many already suffering parents whose children were damaged by vaccines and now are frightened to give vaccines to their other children and therefore have not been in school (in one case a Lakewood school which instigated the whole thing) now over three weeks.
    I am not jealous of these people who hurt, hurting people and think “les din vles dayan”.
    I strongly believe that there is a real actual question in this case, does one put their child at risk by administering a MMR vaccine when it has been proven and have many eyewitness testimonies that it has caused autism and irreversible brain damage to an otherwise healthy child. Or does one give the vaccine to prevent the measles, mumps rubella that is a virus but has yet to have caused the fear mongering that has been stated. I firmly believe this is a question that ONLY true daas torah should answer. Not from videos of 3 years ago, supposed psakim from Rabbanim or biased people in the medical field that many times have a big share in pharmaceutical stock. As I have said previously I think everyone should discuss it with their daas torah that they follow and heed their rulings. I personally have suffered from the MMR and from the current hysteria and hype and I have heard firsthand accounts from other suffering parents. To dismissively and coldheartedly discount it is definitely not a midda of any frum yid and is not coming from people that have torah or yiras shamayim in them.

    #1630363

    DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Unbelievable. You have no problem putting your kids and other kids at risk, yet you call others out for a lack of yiras shomayim.

    #1630404

    interjection
    Participant

    “Wakefield’s study is far from the only reason people choose not to vaccinate.”

    Most of the reason that people choose not to vaccinate is because they believe that Big Pharma is paying off everyone to promote the deadly vaccine. They believe that everyone is corrupted by greed and only the anti-vaxxers have integrity. They believe that anti-vaxxers are selfless because they could become super rich if they promoted vaccines. They believe the ones promoting anti-vax have given up on jobs of prestige and wealth for the sake of promoting the truth, against their own self interest as it has only harmed them financially.

    The truth is that many of the ones promoting it (and I am not referring to parents, rather to the practitioners) have earned a greater fortune for spewing their lies and fabricated studies, than they ever would have earned if they had remained an honest doctor. That is why Wakefield is relevant.

    #1630374

    Doing my best
    Participant

    Josh,
    you said
    “I strongly believe that there is a real actual question in this case, does one put their child at risk by administering a MMR vaccine when it has been proven and have many eyewitness testimonies that it has caused autism and irreversible brain damage to an otherwise healthy child.”
    I don’t understand you. You say you don’t like vaccines because they are harmful. Let’s put this into percpective.
    1 in a thousand cases of measles die.
    1 in ten causes permanent hearing loss.

    Look at this.
    HRSA .GOV ON VACCINE INJURIES
    “How many petitions have been awarded compensation?
    FOR EVERY 1 MILLION DOSES OF VACCINE THAT WERE DISTRIBUTED, 1 INDIVIDUAL WAS COMPENSATED.

    So if we don’t take vaccines, 1 in a thousand die. if we do take vaccines 1 in a million gets damaged.
    Now if you had a choice of either a .01% chance of dying, or a 0.00001% of recieving a vaccine injury, what would you pick?
    THATS FACTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You argue?

    “To dismissively and coldheartedly discount it is definitely not a midda of any frum yid and is not coming from people that have torah or yiras shamayim in them.”

    YOU SAID WHAT!?
    How about you causing extreme danger to everyone else who is trying to be a responsible adult by actually believing the facts, that’s “a midda of a frum yid and is coming from people that have torah or yiras shamayim”?

    And then you’re not going to respond because you really have nothing to say.

    #1630402

    Doing my best
    Participant

    Anti-vaxxers,
    Would you take this?
    “An experimental vaccine that could hold off Alzheimer’s disease is showing results in animal testing, according to researchers at the University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center.

    Testing in mice has shown that the vaccine safely prevents the buildup of substances in the brain associated with the fatal disease, the team reported this week in the journal Alzheimer’s Research & Therapy.

    Following previous research in monkeys and rabbits, the researchers now hope that the vaccine will progress to human trials. If the vaccine proves safe and effective in humans it could slice the number of dementia diagnoses in half, the study’s senior author told USA TODAY.”
    (found on Matzav)

    #1630403

    2scents
    Participant

    Josh18,

    Would you mind detailing how you have been affected by a vaccine?

    Detailed diagnosis and treatment. Otherwise its just old style scare tactics.

    #1630603

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    It is literally impossible to have an eyewitness account of something causing autism.

    #1630642

    Health
    Participant

    josh18 -“This measles hysteria has further hurt many already suffering parents whose children were damaged by vaccines and now are frightened to give vaccines to their other children and therefore have not been in school”

    There is now a choice, (not like previously – where the Anti-vaxerrs got their cake and you ate it), you can vaccinate or not. But if Not – you should move to Guatamala, like Lev Tahor! You CAN’T put other people at risk, No matter what you believe.

    #1630672

    doomsday
    Participant

    There are thousands of parents of parents who say their children had reaction to vaccines (hi fever, seizures, hours of screaming) and then REGRESSED into autism. There are befire/after VIDEOS of children who stopped talking and/or stopped walking after vaccines.
    There are ADULTS who became vaccine injured after flu shot and gardasil shot – there is no doubt that their injuries were caused by the vaccines.
    Vaccine Court has paid 4 BILLION for vaccine injuries, including for autistic children and deaths!

    #1630684

    Milhouse
    Participant

    “It is literally impossible to have an eyewitness account of something causing autism.”

    Exactly. Anyone who claims to have witnessed such a thing is a liar. All anyone can say is that such-and-such a thing happened shortly before the child was diagnosed. NOBODY can say that the diagnosis would not have been exactly the same had that thing not occurred. Nobody knows what causes autism, but the most likely explanation is that it’s genetic, which means nothing anyone does or doesn’t do can either cause or prevent it.

    #1630747

    2scents
    Participant

    doomsday,

    While every single child that has any chronic illness is a sad and unfortunate situation, having people push the blame on to vaccines either because they have feelings of guilt or for whatever other reason, does not mean that this is the case.

    This has been studied extensively, there has been no change in autism in the groups that have withheld vaccinations, the link has been proven to not exist, despite the many trials to find them.

    Furthermore, autism is normally detected around the same time that children receive their vaccines, its expected that parents with children that were diagnosed with autism between the 12-18 month range will blame the vaccine, as the anti-vax movement makes sense to them, yet the fact remains that this is the age in which autism is detected, giving or not giving the vaccine would not have any effect.

    #1630862

    Milhouse
    Participant

    Doomsday, stop lying. Everything you wrote is a lie. Name one case where the vaccine court paid out for autism.

    #1630866

    Health
    Participant

    Doomsday -“there is no doubt that their injuries were caused by the vaccines.”

    I’ll grant you that vaccines are a trigger. Do you know the difference between a cause and a trigger?
    Cause means something made this happen. Trigger means it would happen anyways, but it happened now because of this. So the patient would get sick no matter what. It’s just a matter of time.
    So why would a rational person delay getting the vaccines because they will get sick at a later date anyways?

    #1630923

    The little I know
    Participant

    Can anyone propose a theoretical explanation for a causal relationship between vaccines and autism? Some of the gibberish spewed here so far makes no sense, and the anti-vaxxer voices still use anecdotal data to insist there is a cause-effect here. If there was, the research would have pounced on that to demonstrate some parts of it. I have scoured the web, plus a few experts, and no one has seen such data. I will not accept a position that there is a pharmaceutical industry that prevents research from being done. That is ludicrous. Some proof for causality please.

    #1630946

    Health
    Participant

    TLIK -“Some proof for causality please.”

    You’re wasting your time. The only thing I can find is what I just posted – at the most it’s just a trigger!

    #1630959

    doomsday
    Participant

    I would wait at least FIVE YEARS before taking any new vaccine or drug.
    Do you know that HALF of all drugs are WITHDRAWN within 5 years of release because
    the new drugs kill and injure so many people?
    And these are all drugs that are supposedly “safety-tested” and approved by CDC.
    Which goes to show that you cannot trust “safety studies” or CDC!

    #1630961

    doomsday
    Participant

    1. Autism is extremely rare in unvaccinated children. From AgeofAutism Website:

    Homefirst Medical Services provides medical care for families who choose to have home births and avoid vaccines in the Chicago area. They have treated around 35,000 of these children over the years. Homefirst’s medical director, the late Dr. Mayer Eisenstein, said in an interview a few years ago “… I don’t think we have a single case of autism in children delivered by us who never received vaccines.”

    Let’s try Amish children. They are mostly unvaccinated. Dr. Frank Noonan is a doctor who treats Amish children in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania. He has said that he has seen no cases of autism in the thousands of Amish children he has treated over 25 years. “You’ll find all the other stuff, but we don’t find the autism. We’re right in the heart of Amish country and seeing none, and that’s just the way it is.” Dr. Heng Wang is a neurologist and the director of the Clinic for Special Needs Children in Ohio, another area where there is a large Amish population. He has estimated the rate of autism in the Amish community to be 1 in 15,000.

    Dr. Jeff Bradstreet, a Florida family doctor who died mysteriously recently, proposed a study of unvaccinated children. He said “I know I can tap into this community and find you large numbers of unvaccinated homeschooled children. We can do simple prevalence and incidence studies in them. My gut reaction is that you’re going to find no autism in this group.”

    Rather than being very easy, finding unvaccinated children with autism seems to be downright difficult. Doctors Eisenstein, Noonan, Wang, and Bradstreet have been out there on the front lines actually treating unvaccinated children. Their assessment that autism is quite rare in these children is valid.

    Conclusion: Autism is common in fully vaccinated children but rare in unvaccinated children.
    2. There are 24 Peer Reviewed Studies linking Autism to Vaccines
    3. AUTISM IS LISTED ON THE VACCINE INSERT AS A KNOWN ADVERSE ADVENT TO VACCINES.
    4. Vaccine Court has paid out millions to children who became autistic following vaccination.

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