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  • #1649879
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    Both 90% and 8% could be valid sample sizes

    Is sample size a number or a percentage? Shouldn’t percentages be irrelevant?

    If I start with 1 million subjects, but need to remove 95% for whatever reason, wouldn’t I still have a sample size of 50 thousand?

    #1649898
    doomsday
    Participant

    Health: It’s also not true that there hasn’t been a “vaxxed vs. unvaxxed” study. In fact, there have been several. They generally show at least no differences in health and often better health in the vaccinated group. Basically, the claim that there is no “vaxxed vs. unvaxxed” study is a lie, antivaccine propaganda.”

    Please name a vaxxed vs unvaxxed study.

    #1649909
    Meno
    Participant

    Keej,

    Because I haven’t embraced this idea that you could make assumptions, then call it evidence.

    Well maybe it’s time you embraced that idea. It’s impossible to draw any scientific conclusion without making any assumptions.

    #1649907
    doomsday
    Participant

    Health: It’s also not true that there hasn’t been a “vaxxed vs. unvaxxed” study. In fact, there have been several. They generally show at least no differences in health and often better health in the vaccinated group. Basically, the claim that there is no “vaxxed vs. unvaxxed” study is a lie, antivaccine propaganda.”

    2Cents named two studies that she claimed were vaxxed vs unvaxxed. And you Health ALSO said the studies
    were vaxxed vs unvaxxed. But you were both PROVEN WRONG. Here are the 2 studies:

    JAMA 2275444 – tested Vaxxed + MMR vs Vaxxed without MMR. That is NOT vaxxed vs unvaxxed

    PubMed 12523209 – also a Vaxxed + MMR vs Vaxxed without MMR. That is NOT a vaxxed vs unvaxxed.

    A Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed Study means 100% Vaxxed per CDC Schedule vs 100% NOT Vaccinated.
    Show me one study like that.

    #1649916
    Health
    Participant

    DoomsKUP -“And when the Government arrests Parents for givisng their Children a Bris or a Torah Education,”

    This Gov. isn’t anti-religion, but they believe in Human Rights. If the Gov. believed giving a kid a Bris was dangerous they would outlaw it.
    The question I have is why not vaxxing a kid is Not a criminal offense?

    #1649926
    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    How many fruit baskets did it take for this thread not to be closed?

    #1649932
    YW Moderator-25
    Moderator

    It actually was closed for a bit. Then it was re-opened.

    #1649954
    Health
    Participant

    DoomsKUP -“A Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed Study means 100% Vaxxed per CDC Schedule vs 100% NOT Vaccinated.”

    That’s your definition, we can prove that incidence of Autism with Vaxxed kids, is Not greater
    than Unvaxxed kids, with other studies.
    OH, HERE’S ONE – JAMA 2275444:
    How many times do I have to tell you – that JAMA study with 95,000 kids included vaxxed – totally unvaxxed?!?”

    #1649970
    doomsday
    Participant

    Health: OH, HERE’S ONE – JAMA 2275444: How many times do I have to tell you – that JAMA study with 95,000 kids included vaxxed – totally unvaxxed?!?”

    Health: YES it did [include 100% Unvaxxed}! Here is the quote from that study:
    “Maternal and paternal educational level, household income, and race/ethnicity were also included as fixed covariates. These sociodemographic factors have been associated with both ASD status23 and vaccine receipt.24”

    When a person has NO EDUCATION – they can’t begin to understand the article!

    Health, Please, you’re embarrassing yourself!

    “covariates” are characteristics (excluding the actual treatment) of the participants in an experiment.”

    The Covariates of this experiment are: Maternal and paternal educational level, household income, and race/ethnicity.
    Where does it say that Covariates included 100% Unvaccinated??? NOWHERE!

    Health, get an Education, learn to read a study and stop making a FOOL of yourself!
    This study was comparing Vaxxed + MMR vs Vaxxed NO MMR.
    It was NOT a vaxxed vs unvaxxed study!

    #1649973
    doomsday
    Participant

    Doomsday: “Are there research studies showing a link between Vaccines and Autism – aside from Wakefield?”

    Ubiquiton: Asked and answered. I’ll answer again no there aren’t.

    Folks, Proof that Ubiquiton and Yserbius are Liars. Google “studies linking vaccines autism” and find these sites:

    157 Research Papers Supporting the Vaccine/Autism Link scrbd
    24 Published Studies linking Vaccines to Autism
    130 studies linking vaccines to neurological and autoimmune issues (includes Autism)

    So any Provaxxer who says there are NO studies linking Vaccines to Autism – IS LYING!!!

    #1649979
    doomsday
    Participant

    HealthThis Gov. isn’t anti-religion, but they believe in Human Rights.
    The Government IS anti-religion (especially Democrats).
    Christians have been persecuted for refusing to service Homosexual Weddings.
    Jewish Businesses are also in danger (caterers, photographers, bakers, florists).
    The Government mandates that children be Indoctrinated in Evolution and To’eivah!

    Health: If the Gov. believed giving a kid a Bris was dangerous they would outlaw it.
    Mayor Bloomberg already stated that Bris is dangerous.

    Health: The question I have is why not vaxxing a kid is Not a criminal offense?

    Don’t worry, Health. Not Vaccinating WILL be OUTLAWED.
    Bris Milah WILL be OUTLAWED. Torah Education WILL be OUTLAWED.

    You ProVaxxers should be ashamed for aiding and abetting the abolition of Parental and Religious Rights!
    The truth is there is a tiny risk with a Bris (surgical procedure) and since it is “only” for
    religious purposes the Government could outlaw Bris.
    They could also say it is permanently mutilating a child without his consent.
    It’s happened before and it WILL happen again (my prediction).
    The question I have is why not vaxxing a kid is Not a criminal offense?

    #1649978
    Yserbius123
    Participant

    @doomsday

    There are 100+ studies that prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the moon is made of green cheese. You claim that there are not such studies, but that’s a LIE brought to you by your friends paid from Big Farma and NASA. Here, I’ll show some of them to you:

    • Gene–Brain Structure Relationships: Arbitrary Assumptions of Heterogeneity Generate Unfalsifiable Claims (JAMA 2007)
    • Topology of three-jet events in pp collisions at √s=1.8 TeV (Physical Review 1992)
    • A consistent co-rotational formulation for non-linear, three-dimensional, beam-elements (CMAME 2001)

    So you see? All those who claim that there are no research papers showing that the moon is a solid chunk of moldy lactose are liars!

    #1649980
    Yserbius123
    Participant

    @doomsday

    Do you see what I did there in my last post? That’s you. That’s what you sound like. You call everyone liars (or LIARS!!!!!!) for saying that there’s no research papers showing a link between vaccines and autism, but the research papers you claim shows a link do nothing of the sort.

    So too I call everyone a LIAR for disbelieving the green-cheese moon theory because of a random sampling of papers that have nothing to do with lunar cosmology.

    #1649995
    doomsday
    Participant

    Folks, Yserbius LIES that the studies listed on websites mentioned have NOTHING to do with Autism or Vaccines.
    Here are the FIRST 10 Studies from the website: 157 Studies linking Vaccines to Autism. I did not pick them
    out – they are the First 10 Studies in ORDER: And they DO have to do with Autism and Vaccines, so once again, Yserbius is a Proven Liar:

    1. Increased risk of Developmental neurologic IMPAIRMENT after high exposure to THIMEROSAL containing VACCINE in first month of life.
    2. Pilot comparative study on health of VACCINATED and unvaccinated 6-12 year old US children
    3. Hepatitus B VACCINATION of Male Neonates and AUTISM Diagnosis
    4. Associations of prenatal and early childhood MERCURY exposure with AUTISTIC Behaviors at 5 years
    5. The Association between MERCURY Exposure and AUTISM spectrum disorders
    6. The putative role of environmental MERCURY in the pathogenesis and pathophysiology of AUTISM
    7. Blood MERCURY, arsenic, cadmium and lead in children with AUTISM spectrum disorder.
    8. Protective role of alpha-lipoic acid in IMPAIRMENTS in social and stereotypical behaviors induced by early
    post-natal administration of THIMEROSAL in male rats.
    9. Gender selective toxicity of THIMEROSAL.
    10. MERCURY toxicokinetics – – dependency on strain and gender.

    #1650010
    doomsday
    Participant

    Folks, check out the Free E-Book:

    1200 studies, revealing the research that the vaccine industry does not want you to know!

    Don’t believe the Vaccine Industry Lies that all doctors, scientists, researchers believe vaccines are safe!
    Read the 1200 studies for yourself and decide!

    #1650013
    Meno
    Participant

    Wow 1200? So that makes a total of 1357!

    Just a few hundred more and I’ll be totally convinced. Come on, I’m sure you could find a few hundred more.

    #1650023
    doomsday
    Participant

    NY State Senator Dies of Sepsis 11/28/18 – 47 year old State Senator Jose Peralta died of “sepsis” after getting
    flu vaccine. Senator Peralta was a strong advocate of flu vaccines and arranged for free flu vaccines for his constituents.

    An article in The New York Times quoted Sen. Peralta’s director of communications, Chris Sosa, as saying, “It was like pulling teeth to get him (Peralta) to talk about not feeling well. He just thought he was having symptoms related to getting the flu shot.”7

    #1650026
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    1. Increased risk of Developmental neurologic IMPAIRMENT after high exposure to THIMEROSAL containing VACCINE in first month of life.

    “because of its observational design, this study is subject to several biases, including the inability to link specific patients to vaccination records, the population estimation method of measuring ethylmercury exposure, and the inability to assess vaccination avoidance. Additionally, numerous other studies by these authors—in which they claim an association between thimerosal and autism—have been rejected on the basis of flawed study designs.”

    Debunked.

    You liar.

    (The rest as well)

    #1650028
    doomsday
    Participant

    Relax, Meno.

    Just keep repeating the Lie:

    There are NO studies showing Vaccines are harmful.

    If you repeat enough times, it magically becomes TRUE!

    #1650029
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    1200 studies, revealing the research that the vaccine industry does not want you to know!

    How many have you read?

    #1650032
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    If you repeat enough times, it magically becomes TRUE!

    Oh, the irony

    #1650035
    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    You expect people to download an antivaxx ebook? They’re probably full of viruses.

    #1650053
    Health
    Participant

    Dooms-KUP -“157 Studies linking Vaccines to Autism.”

    So What’s the Solution?
    OOh – Ah – I Know Don’t Vaxx – NOT!

    From VERY WELL Health:
    “Unvaccinated Children with Autism
    You may not hear about these children very often, but there are certainly unvaccinated children with autism. Several comparison studies have been made of autism rates between vaccinated and unvaccinated children and found no difference. One such study was from Japan where the MMR vaccine was withdrawn from the country due to concerns about aseptic meningitis. In the study, at least 170 children were found to have developed autism even though they had not received the MMR vaccine.
    But that’s just one vaccine, there are also many examples of completely unvaccinated children who have developed autism. A study published in the February 2014 issue of Autism found that “the rates of autism spectrum disorder diagnosis did not differ between immunized and nonimmunized younger sib groups.”
    Lara Lohne, although she was never vaccinated because her parents were anti-vaccine, had every intention of vaccinating her own child. She didn’t though, because of financial issues. And although he had never received any vaccines, her son developed autism:”

    #1650092
    Yserbius123
    Participant

    @doomsday Yes or no? Did you or did you not read the article whose title I posted multiple times that debunks your “100+ studies” narischkeit?

    #1650093
    2scents
    Participant

    Journal of Child Psychology and Psychiatry Volume 46, Issue 6

    No effect of MMR withdrawal on the incidence of autism: a total population study

    Methods: This study examined cumulative incidence of ASD up to age seven for children born from 1988 to 1996 in Kohoku Ward (population approximately 300,000), Yokohama, Japan. ASD cases included all cases of pervasive developmental disorders according to ICD

    Results: The MMR vaccination rate in the city of Yokohama declined significantly in the birth cohorts of years 1988 through 1992, and not a single vaccination was administered in 1993 or thereafter. In contrast, cumulative incidence of ASD up to age seven increased significantly in the birth cohorts of years 1988 through 1996 and most notably rose dramatically beginning with the birth cohort of 1993.

    Conclusions: The significance of this finding is that MMR vaccination is most unlikely to be a main cause of ASD, that it cannot explain the rise over time in the incidence of ASD, and that withdrawal of MMR in countries where it is still being used cannot be expected to lead to a reduction in the incidence of ASD.

    Before rejecting the causal hypothesis, it is essential to consider possible objections to our study. There are five that need attention. First, Wakefield and his colleagues have postulated that the autism associated with MMR almost always involves developmental regression (Furlano et al., 2001; Torrente et al., 2002; Wakefield et al., 2000). Accordingly, it could be suggested that we needed to focus on autism with regression. We found no change in the incidence of ASD with regression between the periods before and after withdrawal of MMR. Three British studies (Fombonne & Chakrabarti, 2001; Taylor et al., 2002; Fombonne et al., 2004) have also shown no change in the rate of regression across time periods beginning before introduction of MMR and continuing during a time of high take‐up of the vaccine. In any case, the Spitzer, Aitken, Dell’Aniello, and Davis (2001) finding on a large sample of cases of ASD supposed to be attributable to the MMR vaccine found only 39% with regression, a proportion broadly in line with that reported during the pre‐MMR era.

    Second, it could be claimed that the proportion of cases of autism due to the vaccine is too low to be detectable in a total population study of time trends in incidence. However, this runs counter to the argument that the effect was big enough to result in an overall rise in the frequency of autism (Wakefield, 1999). If it was sufficient to cause an overall rise, the cessation of MMR usage should be sufficient to result in a measurable fall. Also, the Spitzer et al. study in the UK concerned 325 cases of ASD thought to be due to MMR; this is a sizeable number.

    Third, it has been argued that previous studies have been misleading because their follow‐up has not extended over at least three years (Spitzer et al., 2001). That objection cannot be applied to our study because we have deliberately focused on incidence in birth cohorts followed to age seven, meaning an age roughly six years after MMR (if used).

    Fourth, it might be suggested that our surveillance system missed many cases of autism. That is extremely unlikely because our system is unusually thorough and because our overall incidence figure of 88.5 per 10,000 for ASD is in line with some other recent estimates (Kadesjö, Gillberg, & Hagberg, 1999; Wing, 1996) and higher than the 60 per 10,000 that has been put forward as the best estimate (Medical Research Council, 2001) based on high quality total population epidemiological data (Baird et al., 2000; Chakrabarti & Fombonne, 2001).

    #1650106
    ubiquitin
    Participant

    doomsday
    “Folks, Proof that Ubiquiton and Yserbius are Liars. Google “studies linking vaccines autism” and find these sites:”

    Sigh, I’m busted.

    Now all you need to do is provide study (again, don’t tell me to google I’m terrible at googling )

    I see further down you provide a list.
    thank you

    Well this my or may not surprise you but the “studies” dont say what you hope they do

    1. This was a preliminary unpublished abstract. which ultimately led to “Safety of thimerosal-containing vaccines: a two-phased study of computerized health maintenance organization databases.” (one of hundreds of studies showing NO LINK between vaccines (though this was specifically on thimersol) and autism)
    2. This was a cross-sectional pilot study with a lot of room for confounding variables and recall bias. As the authors conclude “Further research involving larger, independent samples and stronger research designs is needed to verify and understand these unexpected findings in order to optimize the impact of vaccines on children’s health.”
    3. another unpublished study, this was a poster where they looked at 31 children who with Autism who received Hep B vaccine.
    another bid flaw with this “study” is that comparing kids born in the 80’s (pre hep B vaccine) to kids born in the 90’s doesnt prove much about autism. I dont deny that autism rates have gone up. The question is why.
    you could do the same study on whether the kid grew up in a home with a PC. Obviously as home PC use increased autism rates increased, but that doesnt mean one caused the other.
    4. This isnt about vaccines
    5. ditto
    6. ditto
    7. ditto
    8. This isnt about autism (rats can be autistic? who knew?
    9. ditto (Though mice , not rats)
    10. ditto

    Thus as you can see (at least so far) thre are in fact NO studies linking vaccines and autism.
    Of the 10 you mentioned 7 (or 70%) werent even about the subject at hand. The other 3 were preliminary or suffered from serious flaws, or both

    #1650301
    doomsday
    Participant

    “No effect of MMR withdrawal on the incidence of autism: a total population study” Yokohomo Japan Study.

    I will explain in SIMPLE ENGLISH, some of the reasons this study was invalid: (there are MORE reasons)

    1. MMR was introduced in Japan in 1988. The flawed study did NOT say what was the Autism (ASD) rate BEFORE the MMR was introduced. The answer: 25:10,000

    2. AFTER MMR was introduced the Autism Rate QUADRUPLED to 86:10,000!
    This IS evidence of MMR-Autism Link!

    3. The MMR was withdrawn in 1993 because it correlated to INCREASE in Autism. However, even before MMR was banned, the number of children getting MMR dropped dramatically. And the number Autism Rate dropped dramatically as well. So Less MMR = Less Autism. Again, Autism Rate Correlates with MMR Rate.

    4. AFTER MMR was withdrawn, the Autism Rate went UP. The Fake Study used this to Proclaim:
    “Proof that MMR does not cause Autism”.
    But MMR was REPLACED with 3 Separate Vaccines for Measles, Mumps and Rubella! Given CLOSE TOGETHER (4 weeks apart) and at Age ONE (very vulnerable to toxins).

    Summary: When MMR was introduced, Autism Rate Quadrupled. When people stopped giving MMR,
    Autism Rate fell dramatically. When people starting giving Measles, Mumps and Rubella as Separate Vaccines the Autism Rate at age one, the Autism Rate Shot Up again:

    Conclusion: BOTH MMR and giving Measles, Mumps and Rubella as Three Separate Vaccines
    Correlates to an EXTREME INCREASE in Autism Rates!

    Other Fraud: Authors of the study did not reveal Conflict of Interest – Michael Rutner (co-author) has close associations with Vaccine Industry and was hired by Vaccine Industry as an “Expert Witness” in
    MMR Vaccine Lawsuits. This association was NOT revealed in the paper which = FRAUD!

    #1650268
    doomsday
    Participant

    2Cemts, the study you cite claiming to prove No MMR-Autism Connection was DEBUNKED: see below:

    “No effect of MMR withdrawal on the incidence of autism: a total population study”[17]

    Authors: Hideo Honda, Yasuo Shimizu, and Michael Rutter,

    Publication & Date: Journal of Child Psychology and Psychiatry. June, 2005.

    Details: The authors studied cumulative incidence of ASD up to age seven for children born from 1988 to 1996 in Kohoku Ward, Yokohama, Japan. Japan is unique, because MMR was introduced in 1989 and discontinued in April 1993. ASD cases included all cases of pervasive developmental disorders according to ICD-10 guidelines.

    Results: MMR coverage dropped considerably in Yokohama in the birth cohorts of 1988 through 1992, (because of safety concerns over the strain of live mumps virus being used), and not a single MMR vaccine was administered in 1993 or thereafter. “In contrast, cumulative incidence of ASD up to age seven increased significantly in the birth cohorts of years 1988 through 1996 and most notably rose dramatically beginning with the birth cohort of 1993.”

    Authors’ Conclusions: “The significance of this finding is that MMR vaccination is most unlikely to be a main cause of ASD, that it cannot explain the rise over time in the incidence of ASD, and that withdrawal of MMR in countries where it is still being used cannot be expected to lead to a reduction in the incidence of ASD.”

    CRITIQUES OF THE STUDY[18]

    ■ The study tells us little about ASD incidence of ASD prior to 1988, when MMR was introduced. But we do know that the published prevalence of ASD did not exceed 25-per-10,000 at any time in Japan prior to 1988.

    ■ Annual incidence of ASDs for children born in 1987 was 20-per-10,000, but after MMR was introduced, in 1988, annual incidence more than quadrupled, to 85.9-per-10,000 for children born in 1990.

    ■ But then, MMR coverage began to decline dramatically, as concerns over the mumps viral component grew. ASD incidence likewise declined during this period, to 55.8 for children born in 1991 – representing a drop of 35%.

    ■ Following complete discontinuation of MMR in 1993, ASD incidence rose again, this time quite dramatically, to 161-per-10,000 for children born in 1994. However, during this time the recommended schedule was changed to include three single vaccines (M-M-R, given four weeks apart), which gained widespread acceptance, causing coverage to increase significantly.

    ■ For all practical purposes, children vaccinated according to the new schedule were still receiving ‘M-M-R’ at around age one. Giving the three separate vaccines in such close proximity amounts to overlapping exposure, in biological terms.

    ■ Early MMR trials showed clear evidence of ‘interference’ between the viruses in the combined vaccine, mediated through an altered immune response. The safety consequences of this ‘interference’ are completely unknown.

    ■ Children who have natural measles (or single measles vaccine) and natural mumps infections within the same year are at significantly greater risk of later inflammatory bowel disease,[19] which is consistent with an ‘interference’ phenomenon that could increase the risk of long-term measles virus infection and delayed disease.

    ■ The authors are wrong to examine MMR as the single exposure of interest, when in biological terms, exposure to M-M-R through three consecutive monovalent vaccines actually increased after 1993 when MMR was discontinued.

    ■ The data, therefore, could be interpreted as indicating a major influence of the pattern of exposure to these vaccine viruses on ASD incidence in this Japanese population.

    ■ More importantly, the data suggest a possible re-challenge effect of close temporal exposure to these three vaccine viruses on ASD incidence at the population level, whereby the exposure (MMR) has been introduced, removed (voluntarily through lack of public confidence), and then re-introduced (as M, M, and R close together).

    ■ ASD numbers increased and decreased in direct proportion to the total number of children vaccinated with the three live viruses. There is evidence of an effect not only from de-challenges and re-challenges, but there is also a “dose-response” relationship on a population level.

    ■ Such a dose-response relationship on a population level is rare; and is evidence of a possible causal association.

    ■ The interpretation by Public Health officials that this is the “last word on the subject” and that these data prove that MMR is safe is misleading and suggests a very limited perspective of the issues and a misunderstanding of published concerns on viral interference in a trivalent live-virus vaccine.

    Undisclosed Conflict of Interest: Co-author Michael Rutter has close associations with the drug industry, including GlaxoSmithKline. He was a paid expert witness on their behalf in the UK MMR vaccine damage litigation. That was not declared in the Honda/Rutter paper.

    SUMMARY:

    Despite the methodological problems in Honda et al., and quite apart from the fact that an ecological study of this kind cannot be used to make attributions about causality, the unrecognized challenge-rechallenge effect of vaccination on autism rates in Japan provide yet another piece of support for the MMR-autism link. Because this study failed to clearly interpret the true population risk in the exposure of interest–assuming the removal of an exposure that in reality had remained– the conclusions drawn by the authors are based on erroneous reasoning. Although drawing overly strong conclusions about an association between MMR-type exposures and autism would be premature in light of the study’s ecological design constraints, the data clearly indicate that further scrutiny of the data is required

    #1650312
    Health
    Participant

    To E/O:
    Dooms-KUP isn’t up on the Latest Anti-Vaxxing theories. They Now believe it’s the Aluminum in the Vaxx that causes Autism. The MMR is the trigger that makes Aluminum show the signs of Autism.

    #1650328
    2scents
    Participant

    Dooms,

    You do realize that most of your points are merely observations that have little to do with the conclusion of the study and do not debunk the study?

    You see, someone is working overtime trying to discredit an otherwise very large study for the sake of furthering their belief, this is dishonest.

    #1650330
    2scents
    Participant

    Dooms,

    You should have credited your responses to the website age of autism, as I actually just noticed that your recent response comes from that website.

    Instead of just dumping their blogs on this website, you should write your own responses, otherwise, you are just duplicating their blogs into the coffee room.

    I noticed, that you are good when it comes to accusing individuals about lying and posting repetitive posts, yet data and facts are not your thing, for that you rely on radical anti-medicine websites such as age of autism.

    #1650352
    doomsday
    Participant

    Who is Lying? Doomsday or ProVaxxers?

    Folks, first the ProVaxxers Lied that there are NO studies showing a link between Vaccines and Autism – except for Wakefield. (They can’t lie about Wakefield’s study because everyone heard of it).
    I proved that ProVaxxers LIED with a google search including a site that listed:
    “157 Studies linking Vaccines to Autism”

    Then the ProVaxxers lied that the studies listed have nothing to do with vaccines or autism.
    So I listed the first 10 studies IN ORDER without any Cherry Picking. Ubiquiton reviewed the studies and said
    they are NOT about Vaccines and Autism. Yserbisu Also LIED that the studies are NOT about Vaccines and Autism! So I will Prove AGAIN that ProVaxxers are LYING:

    Here are the FIRST 10 Studies listed on the site: 157 Studies linking Vaccines to Autism:

    1. Increased risk of Developmental neurologic IMPAIRMENT after high exposure to THIMEROSAL containing VACCINE in first month of life. This is a CDC STUDY (!) that shows that Thimerosal Vaccines given to newborns INCREASES RATE OF AUTISM! Ubiquiton says this study was never published. Correct – because CDC tried to HIDE THIS STUDY because it shows Vaccines cause Autism!!!

    2. Pilot comparative study on health of VACCINATED and unvaccinated 6-12 year old US children
    This was a Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed Study showing that UnVaxxed Children have MUCH LOWER RATE OF AUTISM, ADHD, learning disabilities, allergies and asthma. The Author said there should be a LARGER
    Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed Study. Ubiquiton says this statement means the study was not valid. Wrong! The study has validity but a LARGER Study would have GREATER Validity!
    Ubiquiton, WHY Does CDC refuse to do a LARGE Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed Study when there IS a Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed Study that shows a Link between Vaccines and Autism???
    NO PROVAXXER CAN ANSWER this question!

    3. Hepatitus B VACCINATION of Male Neonates and AUTISM Diagnosis.
    Ubiquiton LIED that this was NOT a published study – it was! And it shows a link between
    HepB Vaccine and Autism. Baby boys who got HepB as newborns were THREE TIMES more likely to be
    diagnosed with Autism as baby boys who did NOT get HepB Vaccine!

    4. Associations of prenatal and early childhood MERCURY exposure with AUTISTIC Behaviors at 5 years .
    A Study showing MERCURY causes Autism. And Vaccines contain Mercury (Flu) or “trace amounts” of Mercury (many vaccines). And Mercury can be dangerous even in very small amounts!

    5. The Association between MERCURY Exposure and AUTISM spectrum disorders.
    . Another Study showing MERCURY causes Autism. And Vaccines contain Mercury (Flu) or “trace amounts” of Mercury (many vaccines). And Mercury can be dangerous even in very small amounts!

    6. The putative role of environmental MERCURY in the pathogenesis and pathophysiology of AUTISM.
    Another Study showing MERCURY causes Autism. And Vaccines contain Mercury (Flu) or “trace amounts” of Mercury (many vaccines). And Mercury can be dangerous even in very small amounts!

    7. .Blood MERCURY, arsenic, cadmium and lead in children with AUTISM spectrum disorder.
    Another Study showing MERCURY causes Autism. And Vaccines contain Mercury (Flu) or “trace amounts” of Mercury (many vaccines). And Mercury can be dangerous even in very small amounts!

    8. Protective role of alpha-lipoic acid in IMPAIRMENTS in social and stereotypical behaviors induced by early
    post-natal administration of THIMEROSAL in male rats.
    Study showed Thimerosal caused Autism in Rats. Ubiquiton says a study on Rats is Invalid even though Pharmaceutical Companies ALWAYS test medications on Animals, especially Rats. Is Ubiquiton claiming that all the Medicine Safety Studies done by Pharmaceutical Companies using Rats are INVALID???

    9. Gender selective toxicity of THIMEROSAL
    Ubiquiton said this was a MICE Study. WRONG! It was a study showing Vaccines cause diagnosis
    of “Emotional Disturbance” in Boys. This was the only study not directly related to Autism but it does show
    that VACCINES Cause Harm (Emotional Disturbance). And the fact that BOYS are more harmed by vaccines is INDIRECT evidence of vaccine-autism link, as Autism if four times more common in BOYS!

    10. MERCURY toxicokinetics – – dependency on strain and gender.
    A study showing that SOME Rats have trouble excreting Mercury which causes damage to those rats.
    This DOES relate to evidence that some children have trouble Excreting Mercury and other toxins which cause them to Develop Autism and other disorders.

    So who is lying? I showed you that 9 out of 10 of the first 10 studies from site “157 Studies showing Link between Vaccines and Autism” are showing that Vaccines or Mercury are associated with Autism.
    1 Study shows that Vaccines cause diagnosis of “Emotionally Disturbed”.
    So ProVaxxers are once again proven to be Liars!

    #1650356
    doomsday
    Participant

    2Cents:: You do realize that most of your points are merely observations that have little to do with the conclusion of the study and do not debunk the study?

    More Lies! My Points totally DEBUNK the Study.

    The “Proof” that MMR does not cause Autism was that After MMR was discontinued, Autism Rate went UP!
    But the reason Autism Rate went up was that MMR was replaced by THREE SEPARATE VACCINES for
    Measles, Mumps and Rubella!
    So the only thing the study proves is that BOTH MMR and Separate Vaccines of Measles, Mumps, Rubella
    cause Autism!
    When people STOPPED giving MMR and didn’t give SEPARATE Vaccines of Measles, Mumps and Rubella –
    the Autism Rate went DOWN – DRAMATICALLY!
    So the Study totally shows a correlation between MMR and Autism!

    #1650363
    doomsday
    Participant

    Health: Dooms-KUP isn’t up on the Latest Anti-Vaxxing theories. They Now believe it’s the Aluminum in the Vaxx that causes Autism.

    Another Lie! I have repeatedly said that Aluminum in Vaccines is a Neurotoxin!
    Maybe you don’t know what “Neurotoxin” means? It means Aluminum causes BRAIN DAMAGE!
    And that is what Autism is – Brain Damage!

    And your fellow ProVaxxers said you should stop the name-calling (Dooms-Kup)
    because you are damaging the credibility of ProVaxxers and making them look bad!

    #1650370
    doomsday
    Participant

    2 Cents: You should have credited your responses to the website age of autism…yet data and facts are not your thing, for that you rely on radical anti-medicine websites such as age of autism

    I didn’t credit age of autism because Lying ProVaxxers, instead of responding to the FACTS and DATA that
    are listed in the “Debunking”, attack the authors or website as “Anti-Vaccine” or “Anti-Medicine”.
    The “debunking” listed FACTS and DATA (which you LIE it doesn’t) so why don’t you respond to THAT
    instead of attacking the messengers as you ProVaxxers constantly do?
    The authors who DEBUNKED the study you cited are REAL PhD Scientists using REAL FACTS AND DATA!

    2Cents: Instead of just dumping their blogs on this website, you should write your own responses, otherwise, you are just duplicating their blogs into the coffee room.

    I did both. I wrote some of their response in my own words.

    By the way, You ProVaxxers do plenty of copy and pasting from ProVax websites –
    so why is it OK for you and not for me?

    #1650371
    doomsday
    Participant

    Health: Lara Lohne, although she was never vaccinated because her parents were anti-vaccine, had every intention of vaccinating her own child. She didn’t though, because of financial issues. And although he had never received any vaccines, her son developed autism:”

    WOW! A ProVax Website found ONE 100% Unvaxxed Child with Autism!
    There are MILLIONS of Vaccinated Children with Autism but ProVax Website can ONLY FIND ONE UNVAXXED
    Child with Autism!
    Hey, ProVaxxers – that actually Proves that Vaccines cause Autism and NOT Vaccinating PREVENTS Autism!

    #1650382
    Yserbius123
    Participant

    @doomsday We’ve been through this already and the article I keep posting debunks every conclusion you draw from these studies. Did you read it, yes or no? If yes, please explain why you don’t like it. If no, then we are all wasting our time since that one website addresses every single thing you’ve said about these alleged “157 studies”.

    #1650377
    doomsday
    Participant

    More Proof that ProVaxxers Lie: Here is Daas Yochid:

    1. Increased risk of Developmental neurologic IMPAIRMENT after high exposure to THIMEROSAL containing VACCINE in first month of life.

    “because of its observational design, this study is subject to several biases, including the inability to link specific patients to vaccination records, the population estimation method of measuring ethylmercury exposure, and the inability to assess vaccination avoidance. Additionally, numerous other studies by these authors—in which they claim an association between thimerosal and autism—have been rejected on the basis of flawed study designs.”

    Debunked. You liar. (The rest as well)

    My response:
    1. This was a CDC STUDY that showed that Vaccines Cause Autism! CDC HID THIS STUDY!
    When this CDC Study was revealed, CDC hired Scientists to DEBUNK Their Own Study – because CDC
    did not like the Results – it Proved Vaccines Cause Autism!

    2. Daas Yochid is accusing CDC of designing Flawed Studies

    3. Daas Yochid calls me a Liar – then goes on to LIE that ALL the 157 Studies have been Debunked!

    So who is the Liar – Doomsday or Daas Yochid? Answer: Daas Yochid, a ProVaxxer!

    #1650378
    Meno
    Participant

    Hey, ProVaxxers – that actually Proves that Vaccines cause Autism and NOT Vaccinating PREVENTS Autism!

    That actually doesn’t prove anything! So you’re a LIAR!!

    #1650388
    Meno
    Participant

    Doomsday,

    This was a CDC STUDY that showed that Vaccines Cause Autism! CDC HID THIS STUDY! When this CDC Study was revealed, CDC hired Scientists to DEBUNK Their Own Study – because CDC did not like the Results – it Proved Vaccines Cause Autism!

    I’m sure what you’re saying is very well documented, and not some kind of wild conspiracy theory that you pull out of your back pocket whenever someone debunks an Anti-vaxxer study.

    #1650389
    2scents
    Participant

    Dooms,

    You do know how to read, correct?

    You do know what zero means?

    below is from the actual study. Please read.

    “The key findings are that the seven‐year cumulative incidence of ASD rose progressively from 47.6 per 10,000 for children born in 1988 to 117.2 for those born in 1996, that this rise continued in cohorts of children born after MMR was withdrawn, and that no decline in ASD incidence occurred in the five‐year period from 1988 to 1992 during which MMR vaccine usage fell from 69.8% to zero population coverage. If the vaccine had been responsible for a rise in the incidence of ASD, there ought to have been a fall in incidence following withdrawal of the MMR vaccine, but this did not occur.”

    in case you were not able to read that, please read this:

    “Results: The MMR vaccination rate in the city of Yokohama declined significantly in the birth cohorts of years 1988 through 1992, and not a single vaccination was administered in 1993 or thereafter. In contrast, cumulative incidence of ASD up to age seven increased significantly in the birth cohorts of years 1988 through 1996 and most notably rose dramatically beginning with the birth cohort of 1993.”

    Do you know what “not a single vaccination” means?

    Also, the source of your arguments, as you have just stated is from age of autism. They are a radical anti medicine site. It would have been appreciated if you revealed the source to the arguments and data, so we would know from the start that most of it is just made up nonsense.

    #1650393
    2scents
    Participant

    Dooms,

    “I didn’t credit age of autism because Lying ProVaxxers, instead of responding to the FACTS and DATA that
    are listed in the “Debunking”, attack the authors or website as “Anti-Vaccine” or “Anti-Medicine”.”

    Dooms, you do realize that the credibility of that site is little to none, so the FACTS that you write about (in CAPS) are not really facts, the arguments are just a bunch of nonsense, the statistics are made up and correlations are not able to be verified.

    #1650401
    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    Doomsday –
    can I just get one little point across to you?

    Every time you call autism ‘brain damage’, I wish I knew where you lived so I could slap you. You are so clueless to reality that you have made quite the fool of yourself.

    I just wonder if you are this ‘brain damaged’ in real life too.

    #1650407
    doomsday
    Participant

    2cents: Dooms, you do realize that the credibility of that site is little to none, so the FACTS that you write about (in CAPS) are not really facts, the arguments are just a bunch of nonsense, the statistics are made up and correlations are not able to be verified.

    No, you are LYING again. Let me see you refute any of the FACTS and DATA that DEBUNKED the study
    you cited! Once again, you ProVaxxers are just dismissing any FACTS and DATA and just attacking
    the SOURCE of the Facts and Data!

    Folks, you notice how ProVaxxers always attack the PERSON or WEBSITE that supplies the FACTS and DATA that exposes FRAUDULENT Studies – instead of responding to the Facts and Data cited?
    Because they cannot REFUTE the EXPOSED FRAUD, they attack the messenger instead!

    #1650424
    doomsday
    Participant

    Syog: Every time you call autism ‘brain damage’, I wish I knew where you lived so I could slap you.

    Are you saying you don’t consider Autism to be a Disability?

    #1650405
    amosak
    Participant

    The following is an oped by Rabbi Dr. Aaron Glatt that appeared in the Five Towns Jewish Times;
    By Rabbi Aaron E. Glatt, MD

    There is a small, yet very vocal and influential group of “anti-vaxxers” living in our heimishe communities. They should stop reading now, as they will not like what I have to say, will not listen to what I have to say, and will write personal non-scientific scathing diatribes against me. However, I hope the rest of Klal Yisroel keeps on reading this critically important pikuah nefashosarticle, which the Yerushalmi essentially states is a primary chiyuv of a rav to darshen.

    “Measles Outbreak in New York City in the Orthodox Jewish Community” was the title of a letter sent last week by the Department of Health to physicians across the state. Unfortunately, this is only the latest such tragic headline among numerous similar and preventable outbreaks in recent months and years, in our communities, in the U.S., Eretz Yisroel and Europe. I was truly saddened, embarrassed and pained.

    Almost all the cases of measles are directly related to someone (or many people) being unvaccinated and spreading their illness and ignorance to others. I am very sorry if that offends anyone, but my vaccinated, 2-year-old granddaughter just had to get an urgent premature second dose of MMR vaccine after being exposed in “gan” in Israel; her 5-month old brother, too young to be vaccinated, had to get a painful gamma globulin shot, because of such incorrect and dangerous medical views. Hashem yeracheim.

    There is absolutely no one who disagrees with the psak that a parent is required to remove one’s child to safety when a danger is present. Indeed, this is part of the basis for the halachic ruling of HaRav Elyashiv zt”l, who viewed normal childhood vaccinations as being an obligatory part of parental obligations.

    HaRav Asher Weiss, shlita, poseik for Shaare Zedek Hospital, says it is a mitzvah and chiyuvto get vaccinated, bringing a proof from the story of Sodom from this week’s Parsha. He further states that yeshivas have the right and even obligation to protect other students, and should not allow unvaccinated children into school. This is also the written psak of HaRav Yitzchok Zilberstein, shlita as well as the psak of HaRav Elyashiv, who ruled that parents have the right to have unvaccinated children excluded from class so as not to cause unnecessary risks for their children.

    Many other gedolei Yisroel, including HaRav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach zt”l, HaRav Yehoshua Newirth, zt”l, and yibadeil bein chayim lechayim, HaRav J. David Bleich, HaRav Reuven Feinstein, HaRav Hershel Schachter and HaRav Mordechai Willig, shlita, have all ruled that there is no basis in halacha to suggest that vaccinations should be avoided. All strongly urge and support appropriate universal vaccination against the major childhood potentially fatal illness that are preventable.

    Indeed, it is sheker (dishonest) to officially avow that Jewish law forbids vaccination, which is the only way in some states to avoid mandatory state vaccination laws by providing such a false attestation about our religion.

    So why all the headlines, anguish and outbreaks among the “People of the Book?” Why did 180 children, 80 percent of whom were unvaccinated, die in the United States during 2017/2018 from flu, along with 80,000 adults? Why do yeshivas and camps have to close  and stop learning because of mumps outbreaks? Why were six babies hospitalized with measles in the past month at Ichilov Medical Center in Tel Aviv? Are we living in the 1950s?

    In my humble opinion, as a community rav and board certified infectious diseases physician expert, it is because we somehow have forgotten to read the word of Hashem. Halacha states that if there is a dispute regarding whether a patient should eat on Yom Kippur, or if Shabbos desecration is necessary to save a life, the most competent and/or the majority of experts make the determination.

    Regarding vaccination against the major vaccine preventable illnesses, both determinants (expertise and majority) are the same. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the World Health Organization, the Infectious Diseases Society of America, all 50 state Departments of Health in the United States, the Pediatric Infectious Disease Society, the American College of Physicians, and every other major professional infection control organization in the world, clearly opine unanimously. Bar none – “leis man depalig” – there is no mumcheh (expert) organization that disagrees. The evidence is overwhelming that vaccination is the only way to control these preventable fatal diseases. Chasdei Hashem – no one dies anymore of smallpox; polio is almost wiped out – solely, and only because of very successful vaccination programs. Rachmana leztlan, why should anyone in 5779 die from measles???

    Why are people not following these medical experts as halacha requires? Why are my (and your) precious children and grandchildren unnecessarily exposed to lethal illnesses, forced to take painful and additional medications and shots, because non-experts “believe” otherwise.

    Imagine if parents were to insist their child come to school armed with a revolver. Would even the most ardent gun rights activist insist this is right? So why are we letting children come to our shuls, schools and camps spreading serious potentially life threatening illness that could have been prevented by vaccination?

    All the major rabbinic organizations have rightly and strongly spoken out against physician assisted death; I myself also recently published on this subject. Therefore, I feel compelled to publicly speak out (again) against “non-vaccination assisted death”, a cause which unfortunately does not get enough similar support. Please ask your Rav to speak about this on Shabbos – it is a matter of pikuach nefashos.

    Rabbi Aaron Glatt, MD, FACP, FIDSA, FSHEA, is Chairman of Department of Medicine, Chief Infectious Diseases and Hospital Epidemiologist at South Nassau Communities Hospital; Clinical Professor of Medicine at Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai and Assistant Rabbi, Young Israel of Woodmere. This editorial also appears in The Jewish Press.

    #1650408
    doomsday
    Participant

    2Cents: ooms, you do realize that the credibility of that site is little to none

    No! The credibility of CDC Vaccine Safety Studies is little to none!

    I have shown you how EVERY Study you cited to Prove that Vaccines does NOT cause Autism
    is FRAUDULENT.

    Neither You nor your Fellow ProVaxxers are able to REFUTE any of the EVIDENCE of FRAUD I show.

    So it is the ProVaxxer Studies that have Little to No Credibility!

    #1650421
    ubiquitin
    Participant

    “Who is Lying? Doomsday or ProVaxxers?”

    doomsday

    “Folks, first the ProVaxxers Lied that there are NO studies showing a link between Vaccines and Autism – except for Wakefield. ”

    I never said that. (at least I didint mean that, sorry if I wasn’t clear) What I meant was that there is no study linking vaccines, and autism, period. Wakefiel’ds was retracted and no longer counts as a study than can be used to link things.

    “Here are the FIRST 10 Studies listed on the site: 157 Studies linking Vaccines to Autism:”

    Yep you posted these already y 70% arent about the subject at hand, and the others are weak at best.

    1. again this was a preliminary study. The final results WERE published see reference earlier
    I proved that ProVaxxers LIED with a google search including a site that listed:
    “157 Studies linking Vaccines to Autism”

    2. “Ubiquiton, WHY Does CDC refuse to do a LARGE Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed Study when there IS a Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed Study that shows a Link between Vaccines and Autism???
    NO PROVAXXER CAN ANSWER this question!”

    I literally answered this question several times.
    I’m starting t o think you dont eve rend these short responses much liek you clearly didn’t read the studies (or even the TITLES of the studies you cite)

    “The study has validity but a LARGER Study would have GREATER Validity!”
    You left off half of my critique of said study

    3. Sorry it was published I was wrong on that point.
    nonetheless as I pointed out there is a big flaw in that study

    4 -7
    “A Study showing MERCURY causes Autism”
    But that isnt the subject at hand

    8
    “caused Autism in Rats.” Are you being serious? Autistic rats? (though to be fair I did come across some interesting autistic rat models w/ autistic type features)

    ” Is Ubiquiton claiming that all the Medicine Safety Studies done by Pharmaceutical Companies using Rats are INVALID???”
    No, are you claiming that If I did a study that showed that removing a rat’s larynx did not change its ability to speak (not squeak or squeal) you would accept that “hey I guess larynx doesnt play a role in human speach, go ahead and remove them willy nilly” ?

    9. “WRONG! It was a study showing Vaccines cause diagnosis of “Emotional Disturbance” in Boys”
    you must be talking about a different study.
    Assuming yuo mean Gender-selective toxicity of thimerosal.: Exp Toxicol Pathol. 2009 Mar;61(2):133-6. doi: 10.1016/j.etp.2008.07.002. Epub 2008 Sep 3.
    It is in fact about mice (This one is neither about Autism nor vaccines its about thimerosal and toxicity rates in male mice compared to females) )

    10. Again, neither about vaccines nor autism.

    “So who is lying? I showed you that 9 out of 10 of the first 10 studies from site “157 Studies showing Link between Vaccines and Autism” are showing that Vaccines or Mercury are associated with Autism.”

    Ah but thats not what you claimed earlier .Earlier you said vaccines and autism.
    To date you have not showed a single study establishing such a link

    I’m happy to switch to the admittedly tangentially related, mercury and autism . But one thing at a time.

    Are you out of studies trying to link Autism to vaccines?

    #1650423
    doomsday
    Participant

    2cents quoting study: “The key findings are that the seven‐year cumulative incidence of ASD rose progressively from 47.6 per 10,000 for children born in 1988 to 117.2 for those born in 1996

    Your study did not reveal the autism rate BEFORE MMR was introduced in 1988 which was published as
    25:10,000. So even according to your study, the ASD rate INCREASED after MMR was introduced in 1988!

    2Cents quoting study:, that no decline in ASD incidence occurred in the five‐year period from 1988 to 1992 during which MMR vaccine usage fell from 69.8% to zero population coverage.

    Other researchers found that ASD declined dramatically when usage of MMR declined.
    “But then, MMR coverage began to decline dramatically, as concerns over the mumps viral component grew. ASD incidence likewise declined during this period, to 55.8 for children born in 1991 – representing a drop of 35%.”

    2cents: quoting study: If the vaccine had been responsible for a rise in the incidence of ASD, there ought to have been a fall in incidence following withdrawal of the MMR vaccine, but this did not occur.”

    But other researchers pointed out that your study OMITS that when MMR vaccine was withdrawn it was
    REPLACED with THREE SEPARATE VACCINES (measles, mumps, rubella). And the Three Separate Vaccines were the likely cause for the RISE in ASD after people had stopped using MMR.

    So once again, 2Cents, your study is FRAUDULENT!

    #1650484
    Yserbius123
    Participant

    Folks, stop arguing with @doomsday about each study individually. The website vaxopedia.org has an article called “About Those Research Papers Supporting the Vaccine/Autism Link” goes through each study in @doomsday’s list individually and shows how the study does not conclude that there’s a link between vaccines and autism. Mrs. Day knows this which is why she continues to argue without addressing the article.

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