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  • #1652668

    ubiquitin
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    Oh and yet again you didnt answer my question
    Here it us again:

    So what do you make of a partially vaccinated individual? which category does he go into?
    Also lishitascha, how does his/her risk of autism compare to those you label “Vaccinated” ? and to those you label “unvaccinated”?

    #1652666

    ubiquitin
    Participant

    “No. But YOU wrote that it is the UNEDUCATED who don’t vaccinate.
    Once again, you are 100% wrong.”

    Nope I said uneducated, unintelligent and those who dont care about their kids.

    “There are “confounding factors” in every study – yet the CDC does them anyway!”

    Yes. So why do another?

    “it wouldn’t prove to your that vaccines raise risk of autism?”
    PROVE? No. Though it would create doubt. Which we would weigh against the dozens and dozens of studies showing the opposite.

    #1652682

    doomsday
    Participant

    partially vaccinated children belong in the partially vaccinated category.

    Countries with less vaccination have less autism and other associated chronic illnesses.

    US has the most Insane over-vaccination schedule – and the worst outcomes in terms of
    chronic sickness in children.

    #1652684

    doomsday
    Participant

    It is basic science that if you want to prove causality you do a comparison
    like vaxxed vs unvaxxed
    or smoker vs non-smoker.

    You don’t do 3-a-pack-smoker vs 4-a-pack smoker if you want to see if smoking causes cancer.
    You do a smoker vs non-smoker – which proved that smoking GREATLY increases risk of cancer.

    Yet all cdc studies have been vaxxed vs vaxxed.
    And CDC refuses to do the ONE study that has any scientific validity Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed.

    And there was a vaxxed vs unvaxxed study – and it showed that unvaxxed have Waaaaaay Less
    Autism, ADHD, Learning Disabilities, Allergies and Asthma.
    THAT is the REAL Reason why CDC won’t do a vaxxed vs unvaxxed study.

    #1652693

    doomsday
    Participant

    Ubiquiton, so if a vaxxed vs unvaxxed study showed vaxxed kids have FIVE times the rate of
    Autism, ADHD, Learning Disabilities, Allergies and Asthma then vaxxed kids
    it would raise some “doubt” that vaccines are safe.

    But the dozens of Unscientific vaxxed vs vaxxed studies would outweigh the SCIENTIFIC study?

    There IS a vaxxed vs unvaxxed study. and it showed that Vaxxed kids have:
    30 Times more Allergies
    5 times more Learning Disabilities
    4 times more Autism
    4 times more ADHD
    3.7 times more neurodevelopmental disabilities
    3 times more eczema
    2.4 times more chronic illnesses
    ……Then the UnVaxxed Kids!

    It’s not a big enough study. But it should have caused the CDC to do a bigger study.

    Anyone who doesn’t admit that CDC is AFRAID to do a vaxxed vs unvaxxed study is intellectually dishonest!

    #1652695

    jay23
    Participant

    Per @kolhaolam WILLIAMSBURG: A wedding set for tonight at VYoel Moshe was postponed after the Chusson from Belgium got the Measles. He was reportedly vaccinated

    But it’s obviously the vaccines fault Because otherwise he would have gotten it years ago

    #1652696

    ubiquitin
    Participant

    “partially vaccinated children belong in the partially vaccinated category.”

    And how do their autism rates compare to the fully vaxxed? To the fully unvaxed?

    “It is basic science that if you want to prove causality you do a comparison
    like vaxxed vs unvaxxed”

    You are confusing basic science with fake science. In basic science, there is no such rule. In fake science there may be but I defer to your expertise.

    “and it showed that unvaxxed have Waaaaaay Less”
    I missed this study. You provided 10 so far that you misrepresented and or misunderstood. Which study are you referring to now?

    #1652703

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    You don’t do 3-a-pack-smoker vs 4-a-pack smoker if you want to see if smoking causes cancer.

    Do all vaccines contain the same ingredients?

    #1652708

    doomsday
    Participant

    Daas Yochid Do all vaccines contain the same ingredients?

    No. But all vaccines contain dangerous toxins.

    #1652736

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    No.

    Then your analogy falls flat on its face.

    #1652810

    Some Common Sense
    Participant

    YWN Moderator,
    I formally ask you to shut down this thread because it is clearly going nowhere like World War I trench warfare.

    Thank you

    #1652819

    doomsday
    Participant

    Ubiquiton, partially vaccinated children have a higher autism rate then fully vaccinated and
    fully unvaccinated.

    Why? Because of Healthy User Bias. If a child appears healthy and normal despite vaccines, he
    is likely to be fully vaccinated. If a child shows SIGNS OF AUTISM or DELAYS – the parents STOP
    Vaccinating. So the Partially Vaccinated Cohort has the highest autism rate – although their
    Autism was probably caused by the vaccines they received when their Pregnant Mothers were
    vaccinated and by their vaccinations as birth, 2 months, 4 months and 6 months.

    #1652823

    doomsday
    Participant

    Folks, notice how the ProVaxxers are OPPOSED to a Vaxxed vs Unvaxxed Study?
    Even though there was a Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed Study (Mawson)that showed that Vaxxed children had:
    30 Times more Allergies
    5 times more Learning Disabilities
    4 times more Autism
    4 times more ADHD
    3.7 times more neurodevelopmental disabilities
    3 times more eczema
    2.4 times more chronic illnesses
    ……Then the UnVaxxed Kids!

    The study needs to be much larger – but CDC refuses – despite seeing the results of the Mawson Study.
    ProVax is a Religion to the ProVaxxers on this thread.

    #1652861

    doomsday
    Participant

    Daas Yochid: Do all vaccines have same ingredients? Then your analogy falls flat on its face.

    If a vaxxed vs unvaxxed study shows that vaxxed children have FIVE TIMES MORE:
    Autism, ADHD, Learning DIsabilities, Allergies, Asthma, etc.

    Then it PROVES that Vaccines are do more HARM then Good!

    And that is why CDC refuses to do a Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed Study – they KNOW Vaccines are harmful.

    #1652889

    ubiquitin
    Participant

    “partially vaccinated children have a higher autism rate then fully vaccinated …Because of Healthy User Bias. ”

    As I pointed out earlier, you dont understand “Healthy user bias”

    Also, if it is due to a bias, then they DON’T have higher autism rate, just that a bias falsely makes it appear that they do.
    Are you saying that partially vaccinated have a higher autism rate than nonvaccinated, or that they appear too, but that in fact you’d expect their autism rate to be the same

    “although their Autism was probably caused by the vaccines they received when their Pregnant Mothers were..”

    Amazing, you are literally just making things up

    “partially vaccinated children have a higher autism rate then…fully unvaccinated.”

    what about the Philippine study?

    As for your 11th “study ” the Mawson study.

    It is not valid.
    Here are some reasons why:
    1. There was no randomization, people voluntarily signed up and recruited their friends
    2. They did not look at medical records, they labeled people as vaccinated” or unvaccinated” based on the word of the mothers
    3. This was not a real study “We did not set out to test a specific hypothesis about the association between vaccination and health” (You love making up “basic science” rules, having a hypothesis that you test is areal one that you need
    4. What journal was this published in? Is it a reliable journal?
    5. Who funded this study, you dont trust pharmaceutical, companies or the CDC, who funded this one?

    #1652893

    2scents
    Participant

    Dooms,


    Why? Because of Healthy User Bias. If a child appears healthy and normal despite vaccines, he
    is likely to be fully vaccinated. If a child shows SIGNS OF AUTISM or DELAYS – the parents STOP
    Vaccinating.”

    Exactly!

    I see that you are finally getting this, parents are more likely to stop vaccinating their other children yet these other children not only are not better off, but they are also much more likely to develop autism than other children,

    #1652905

    doomsday
    Participant

    2Cents: parents are more likely to stop vaccinating their other children yet these other children not only are not better off, but they are also much more likely to develop autism than other children,

    PAY ATTENTION! I said the children who are PARTIALLY vaccinated are more likely to have Autism. They are not fully vaccinated, because the parents stopped vaccinating when they saw signs of Autism. But these autistic children were vaccinated before birth, at birth, at 2 months, 4 months and 6 months!
    So Vaccines are the most likely cause of the Autism of the partially vaccinated children!

    #1652907

    doomsday
    Participant

    2cents: Mawson Study: It is not valid.
    Here are some reasons why:
    1. There was no randomization, people voluntarily signed up and recruited their friends
    2. They did not look at medical records, they labeled people as vaccinated” or unvaccinated” based on the word of the mothers
    3. This was not a real study “We did not set out to test a specific hypothesis about the association between vaccination and health” (You love making up “basic science” rules, having a hypothesis that you test is areal one that you need
    4. What journal was this published in? Is it a reliable journal?
    5. Who funded this study, you dont trust pharmaceutical, companies or the CDC, who funded this one?

    The CDC Studies you provaxxers support are also FLAWED – yet you accept them as Valid.
    Like that MMR – Sibling study which was NOT RANDOMIZED, so Healthy User Bias hid the
    MMR Autism Link – yet you accept that as Valid. WHY?

    The ProVax Studies are funded by CDC which IS the Vaccine Industry (Owns 55 Vaccine Patents)
    and the Researchers have Financial Ties to Vaccine Industry that they don’t disclose – but you
    don’t think that INVALIDATES the ProVax Studies! WHY?

    The Mawson Study stated that a Larger Study should be done – but CDC Adamantly refuses
    to do a Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed Study. WHY?

    #1653082

    Health
    Participant

    Dooms -“So VACCINATED can Also SPREAD DISEASE – including Measles!”

    “Influenza, for example, is responsible for 250,000-500,000 deaths each year, according to the WHO. Yet, campaigns to extend influenza vaccine to all elderly subjects report little success, because of the vaccine scare and because not all patients develop immunity following vaccination.”

    From YWN News: “Owner Of Famous Hotel In Uman Niftar After Contracting Flu”

    So Mr./Ms. Dooms – (the expert on Human Immunology) do you recommend people should get the Flu shot or not (like you’re against getting MMR)?!?

    #1653093

    ubiquitin
    Participant

    “The CDC Studies you provaxxers support are also FLAWED”

    All studies are flawed. some have greater flaws than others.
    For example the “flaw” you keep repeating over and over and over about “needing a vaxxed vs unvaxxed study” Is pure 100% unadulterated grade a nonsense. It isnt a flaw at all.

    “Like that MMR – Sibling study which was NOT RANDOMIZED”

    This was retrospective cohort study. IYou obviously dont know what that means. There is no randomization.
    In short charts are gathered up then you look back at their exposures. The question is how generalizable the cohort is, and the answer in thsi case is very generelizable. The group t they looked out (cohort) has similar characteristics to the general population . And in thsi way it is comparable

    On the otherhand, the Mawson study is nothing odf the sort. People self enrolled and got their friends to enroll .

    “so Healthy User Bias hid the MMR Autism Link”
    colorless green ideas sleep furiously. (This has exactly as much meaning as the sentence you constructed)

    “but you
    don’t think that INVALIDATES the ProVax Studies! WHY?”
    I dont think, source of funding automatically invalidates a study. You think that. So why do you accept this one ?
    (I do think it raises questions, and should make you read it more carefulyl, and assure that the data is reliable and repeatable. If you want to repeat the JAMA study you can, the data is all there it is verifiable. If you want to repeat the Mawson study you cannot, the data was gotten by asking the parents who got vaccines. If a parent recalls differently then you get different results, yet another giant flaw in the Mawson study.)

    “The Mawson Study stated that a Larger Study should be done”
    There is a guy on my street corner who states that the moon is made of green cheese and if we bring it to Earth no one will ever starve , but NASA adamantly refuses to check this theory out why?

    Also
    you said ““partially vaccinated children have a higher autism rate then…fully unvaccinated.”

    what about the Philippine study?

    #1653168

    Health
    Participant

    Ubiq -“what about the Philippine study?”

    Excuse me. You shouldn’t be asking the newest expert on Human Immunology a question.
    His expertise vastly exceed yours’!
    I know this because he/she has parted his/her vast knowledge on most of these 26 pages.

    #1653528

    doomsday
    Participant

    ProVaxxers, I debunked the Phillipines Study two weeks ago. Here it is again:
    Study: The effect of vaccination on children’s physical and cognitive development in the Philippines
    The study found that fully vaccinated children scored higher in school then unvaccinated children.

    Here is the FRAUD:

    1. In Philippines MOST children are UNVACCINATED. That is because the Unvaccinated Children were
    Poor, Malnourished, Dirty Water, No Sanitation (toilets, running water), Overcrowded, Uneducated Parents.

    The Vaccinated Children were richer, had better educated parents, healthy food, clean water, more breastfeeding, not overcrowded – and THAT is why the Vaccinated Children score better on tests then the UnVaccinated – not the Vaccines.

    CDC deliberately made an UnVaxxed vs Vaxxed Study in a THIRD WORLD COUNTRY because the Unvaxxed kids do worse because of starvation, dirty water, uneducated parents etc. But CDC will Never, Never, Never
    Never do a Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed Study in USA or any First World Country!
    Children – NOT because of the Vaccines!

    2. US Vaccine Schedule has EIGHT TIMES more aluminum then Philippines!
    Philippines 100% vaccinated get ONE dose of 625 mcg Aluminum
    USA 100% Vaccinated get SEVEN DOSES totaling 4,925 mcg Aluminum (3,675 mcg Aluminum by age 6 months)
    That is why Vaccinated Children in Philippines have Less Brain Damage then Vaccinated Kids in USA!

    FRAUD! This is another reason why CDC does vaccine studies in OTHER Countries and NOT USA.
    Other Countries give Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay LESS Vaccines the n USA, so Less Damage!

    #1653560

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    Why would the better educated parents be the ones vaccinating?

    #1653586

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Other Countries give Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay LESS Vaccines the n USA, so Less Damage!

    You’re contradicting yourself again. You disregarded studies which show that MMR added to other vaccines doesn’t cause autism because you didn’t consider more vaccines important. Now you’re saying they do cause more damage.

    Make up your mind.

    #1653733

    doomsday
    Participant

    No, I would not get Flu Vaccine – too dangerous.
    Millions paid out for Vaccine Injuries in Vaccine Court – and that is only a fraction of those injured by Flu Vaccine.
    The aluminum in Flu Vaccine is probably one of the causes of Alzheimers Epidemic in the elderly.
    The Flu Vaccine is not even the right one most of the time – researchers have to guess which strain of Flu
    will come as the Flu mutates every year.

    Best way to avoid Flu is to optimize your vitamin d levels. Take a multi vitiamin and vitamin C.
    Get enough sleep. wash your hands.

    #1653727

    ubiquitin
    Participant

    doomsday
    My point is the same as DY’s (though he is doing at better job at being succinct)

    #1653729

    doomsday
    Participant

    Doomsday: Other Countries give Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay LESS Vaccines the n USA, so Less Damage!

    DaasYochid:You’re contradicting yourself again. You disregarded studies which show that MMR added to other vaccines doesn’t cause autism because you didn’t consider more vaccines important. Now you’re saying they do cause more damage.Make up your mind.

    Not contradicting myself. Let’s take Philippines – a child that is 100% vaccinated by age 2 got just 625 mcg of Aluminum (one dose) and much less of other toxins.
    An American baby is vaccinated BEFORE birth, at birth and 2 months, 4 months, 6 months, 12 months, 15 months and 18 months. By age 2 the American baby got EIGHT TIMES more aluminum the Philipine baby – 4,925 mcg aluminum.
    Philippine children get less vaccines and have much lower rate of Autism. Less vaccines = Less Autism.
    In USA, if a 12 month old is showing signs of Autism – after being much more vaccinated then a Philippine baby – the parent stops vaccinating. So in USA, Less Vaccines = More Autism because of Healthy User Bias.
    You have to understand Science to understand what Healthy User Bias means.

    #1653767

    Health
    Participant

    Dooms -“The aluminum in Flu Vaccine is probably one of the causes of Alzheimers Epidemic in the elderly.”

    It’s very sad that you believe all the conspiracy theories out there!
    From Alzheimers Assn.:

    “Myth 4: Drinking out of aluminum cans or cooking in aluminum pots and pans can lead to Alzheimer’s disease.
    Reality: During the 1960s and 1970s, aluminum emerged as a possible suspect in Alzheimer’s. This suspicion led to concern about exposure to aluminum through everyday sources such as pots and pans, beverage cans, antacids and antiperspirants. Since then, studies have failed to confirm any role for aluminum in causing Alzheimer’s. Experts today focus on other areas of research, and few believe that everyday sources of aluminum pose any threat.
    Myth 6: Flu shots increase risk of Alzheimer’s disease.
    Reality: A theory linking flu shots to a greatly increased risk of Alzheimer’s disease has been proposed by a U.S. doctor whose license was suspended by the South Carolina Board of Medical Examiners. Several mainstream studies link flu shots and other vaccinations to a reduced risk of Alzheimer’s disease and overall better health.
    A Nov. 27, 2001, Canadian Medical Journal report suggests older adults who were vaccinated against diphtheria or tetanus, polio and influenza seemed to have a lower risk of developing Alzheimer’s disease than those not receiving these vaccinations. The full text of this report is posted on the Canadian Medical Journal website.
    A report in the Nov. 3, 2004, The Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) found that annual flu shots for older adults were associated with a reduced risk of death from all causes. The abstract of that report is posted on PubMed.”

    #1653763

    ubiquitin
    Participant

    “You have to understand Science to understand what Healthy User Bias means.”

    A. I do “understand science” it’s part of my job.
    B. It isnt hard to understand wikipedia has a good easy to understand explanation.
    C. For the 4th time you clearly dont understand it, it has nothing to do with a retrospective study.

    #1653753

    doomsday
    Participant

    ProVaxxers, Why are newborns being vaccinated for Hepatitis B – a sexually transmitted disease?

    #1653775

    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    Umm, are you familiar with thd birth process?

    #1653773

    Health
    Participant

    Dooms -“Philippine children get less vaccines and have much lower rate of Autism. Less vaccines = Less Autism.”

    Stop with the Lying!

    From Vaxopedia:
    “Aluminum and Autism
    While aluminum didn’t replace thimerosal in vaccines, it did replace thimerosal as what they could blame for the autism epidemic.
    But of course, aluminum in vaccines doesn’t cause autism.
    In fact, “vaccines using aluminum adjuvants have a demonstrated safety profile of more than six decades.”
    Studies have concluded that the risk of aluminum in vaccines to infants “is not significant” and that the “risk to infants posed by the total aluminum exposure received from the entire recommended series of childhood vaccines over the first year of life is extremely low.”
    As you get educated about vaccines, you will hopefully understand that the presence of aluminum in vaccines is not a good reason to skip or delay getting your kids vaccinated and protected against vaccine-preventable diseases.
    Misinformation about Aluminum in Vaccines
    Why are some parents afraid of aluminum in vaccines, sometimes going so far as asking their pediatrician to order vaccines with lower levels of aluminum or only wanting to give their child one aluminum containing vaccine at a time?
    It is likely a safe bet that they are getting the idea from Dr. Bob Sears, who goes on and on about the possible dangers of aluminum, all of the while using a reference that concludes that “we found no evidence that aluminum salts in vaccines cause any serious or long-lasting adverse events.”
    Dr. Bob once wrote an article for Mothering Magazine, “Is Aluminum the New Thimerosal?” He seems to be working hard to make sure that it is, as a source of fear for parents who want to follow his non-standard, parent-selected, delayed protection vaccine schedule.”

    #1653789

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Less vaccines = Less Autism.

    You contradict yourself. You dismiss a study which shows that another vaccine doesn’t change the rate of autism because the less vaccinated subjects weren’t completely unvaccinated.

    #1653790

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    My point is the same as DY’s (though he is doing at better job at being succinct)

    I think I just have less patience.

    #1653793

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/general/1652356/big-carma-a-bunch-of-liars-and-ganavim.html

    By Y Hofmann for 5tjt.com

    The people against vaccinations and I appreciate that you have given equal-time with those who claim that vaccinations work. I am also an anti-braker and I think that you should give us equal time as well.

    Essentially, there is a huge group called Big Carma. These are the car-manufacturers that claim that we should be changing our brake pads every two to three years. This is a big lie designed by Big Carma in order to make money. Do not believe Big Carma. Their recommendations are all lies Brake pads should never be changed because changed brake pads kill people.

    Big Carma tells the world that there are warning signs to watch out for – when supposedly the brake pads are going.

    Longer stopping distances
    Low brake fluid—your brakes are worn out or you have a leak
    Excessive brake pedal travel, with the pedal going almost to the floor before brakes engage
    Brake pedal feels “soft” or “spongy” underfoot
    Vehicle pulls to one side while braking
    Pulsation or vibration through brake pedal or steering wheel while braking
    Tendency for one or more wheels to lock up and skid while braking
    Groaning, screeching, squealing, or grinding sound while braking
    These are all lies. We all grew up with cars that had longer stopping distance. It is part of life no different than getting the measles. Most cars that are 3 years old or more that are in accidents had gotten their brake pads changed. Changing brake pads kill people. They cause accidents.

    HUNDREDS OF CASES

    There are hundreds of cases, if not thousands of cases, where people had gotten their brake pads changed, and within 6 to 12 months they got into an accident. Big Carma will dismiss this as anecdotal.

    There is also a study that says:

    The older a car is, the more likely its driver will die in a crash, says a research paper from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. Older cars have had their brake pads changed more times.

    It turns out that a driver of a car 18 or more years old is 71 percent more likely to die in a bad crash than the driver of a car three years old or newer. A car 18 years or more is likely to have changed the braked bads at least five times.

    The study showed that the risk to a driver in a vehicle 8 to 11 years old, for example, is 19 percent worse, and driving one 4 to 7 years old is 10 percent worse, than for drivers in those semi-new, 0-to-3-year-old cars.

    Big Carma will tell you that there is no linkage between brake pad changes and accidents. They will say that older cars naturally are more dangerous. But we know the truth.

    Anyone who doubts this article can read the study at the following website: https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/Api/Public/ViewPublication/811825

    So don’t listen to your mechanic and don’t listen to Big Carma. Your mechanic is just as much a liar as those pediatricians that tell us to vaccinate our children. Big Carma is just as bad as the Center for Disease Control. They are all lying in this vast conspiracy to make money.

    CHANGING OIL IS BAD FOR THE ENGINE

    Oh and also there is another thing. Changing the oil in your engine kills the engine. Oil changes are also a big scam, by Big Carma. In fact, Big Pharma and Big Carma are all the same.

    Believe us. We know what we are talking about much more than GM, or the CDC. We have studied all of this. The statistics are bogus.

    #1653870

    Health
    Participant

    DY -“Do all vaccines contain the same ingredients?
    Then your analogy falls flat on its face.
    You’re contradicting yourself again.”

    Stop trying to use logic on Illogical Anti-vaxxers!

    #1653953

    doomsday
    Participant

    The amount of aluminum INJECTED in children has nearly QUADRUPLED (Four Times) around 1990.
    When did Autism Epidemic begin? Early 1990s! Also rise in other chronic diseases: ADHD, allergies, asthma..
    In 1980s a child would have gotten 1,250 mcg aluminum by 18 months
    Today, children get 4,925 mcg aluminum by 18 months!

    STUDIES SHOWING ALUMINUM in VACCINES can CAUSE AUTISM:

    1.Study: Aluminum in Brain Tissue and Autism (Exley) “…while the aluminium content of each of the 5 brains [of people with autism] was shockingly high it was the location of the aluminium in the brain tissue which served as the standout observation…The new evidence strongly suggests that aluminium is entering the brain in ASD [autism spectrum disorders] via pro-inflammatory cells which have become loaded up with aluminium in the blood and/or lymph, much as has been demonstrated for monocytes at injection sites for vaccines including aluminium adjuvants.”

    Monocytes are a type of white blood cell. These Monocytes carry the aluminum from the injection site to the brain where they can cause Autism.

    2. Study: Aluminum Vaccine Adjuvants: Are They Safe? (Current Medicinal Chemistry, 2011)

    “Aluminum is an experimentally demonstrated neurotoxin and the most commonly used vaccine adjuvant. Despite almost 90 years of widespread use of aluminum adjuvants, medical science’s understanding about their mechanisms of action is still remarkably poor. There is also a concerning scarcity of data on toxicology and pharmacokinetics of these compounds. In spite of this, the notion that aluminum in vaccines is safe appears to be widely accepted. Experimental research, however, clearly shows that aluminum adjuvants have a potential to induce serious immunological disorders in humans. In particular, aluminum in adjuvant form carries a risk for autoimmunity, long-term brain inflammation and associated neurological complications and may thus have profound and widespread adverse health consequences.”

    translation: Aluminum is a Neurotoxin (can cause BRAIN DAMAGE). Experimental Research show Aluminum Adjuvents can cause Auto-Immunity (can cause allergies, asthma, diabetes, arthritis), long term brain inflammation – i.e. AUTISM!

    3. Study: “Maternal immune activation alters fetal brain development through interleukin-6” (Journal of Neuroscience). The study showed that injecting PREGNANT mice with One dose of IL-6 (triggers an immune response) produced mice showing signs of Autism and Schizophrenia.

    Pregnant Women are being INJECTED with Vaccines that TRIGGERS IMMUNE RESPONSE! And Autism and Mental Illness in little children are SKYROCKETING!

    4. Article: Pregnancy, Immunity, Schizophrenia and Autism (Dr. Patterson, Engineering and Science 2006)
    “As we learn more about the connections between the brain and the immune system, we find that these seemingly independent networks of cells are, in fact, continually talking to each other. As an adult, the activation of your immune system causes many striking changes in your behavior — increased sleep, loss of appetite, less social interaction — and, of course, headaches. Conversely, stress in your life (as perceived by your brain) can influence immune function — the brain regulates immune organs, such as the spleen, via the autonomic nervous system. Recent evidence shows that this brain-immune conversation actually starts during the development of the embryo, where the state of the mother’s immune system can alter the growth of cells in the fetal brain. As we shall see, such alterations can lead to an increased risk of schizophrenia or autism in the offspring.”

    Translation: If a mother’s immune system is Triggered during PREGNANCY, it leads to increased risk of
    Schizophrenia and Autism in the Children! CDC pushes VACCINES on Pregnant Women – Triggering an IMMUNE RESPONSE during Pregnancy which can cause Schizophrenia or Autism in the Babies!

    Quote: “there’s an ON-GOING, PERMANENT IMMUNE-SYSTEM ACTIVATION in the BRAINS of AUTISTIC PEOPLE” – What does Aluminum do? OVER-STIMULATE the Immune System!

    5. Study: Neuroglial activation and neuroinflammation in the Brain of patients with Autism (Journal:
    Annals of Neurology, 2004)

    The Study examined Autopsies of Brains of Autistic People who did NOT die of “infection” but of Drowning and Heart Attacks – but the Autistic Brains had BRAIN INFLAMMATION (neuroinflammation)! The Autopsies showed an AUTO-IMMUNE response where the Immune System was Attacking it’s own Brain Cells! This Auto-Immune Disease can only be found in Autopsy – it cannot be diagnosed in living Autistic People. It is evidence that there is a CHRONIC PERMANENT IMMUNE SYSTEM Activation in the Brains of Autistic Children!

    What is the role of ALUMINUM in Vaccines? To HYPER-STIMULATE the Immune System. Which can cause
    AUTO-IMMUNE Diseases and there is Evidence that AUTISM is an AUTO-IMMUNE DISEASE of the BRAIN!

    6. Microglial Activation in Young Adults With Autism Spectrum Disorder (JAMA, 2013)
    Abstract: A growing body of evidence suggests that aberrant immunologic systems underlie the pathophysiologic characteristics of autism spectrum disorder (ASD).

    Translation: An ABNORMAL IMMUNE SYSTEM is causing Autism! And Aluminum in Vaccines is put there
    to HYPER-STIMULATE (over-stimulate) the Immune System – which could cause Auto-Immune Diseases like
    allergies, asthma, diabetes – and AUTISM (also found to be an Auto-Immune Disease where the Immune System attacks its own Brain Cells).

    Conclusion: “In conclusion, the present PET measurements revealed marked activation of microglia in multiple brain regions of young adults with ASD. The results strongly support the contention that immune abnormalities contribute to the etiology of ASD.”

    Translation: PET Scans reveal that Autistic Young Adults have hyper-stimulated MICROGLIA (IMMUNE CELLS) that are causing Brain Abnormalities!

    #1653954

    doomsday
    Participant

    Health, you just cut and pasted from a ProVax Website.

    You did not NAME a single study that proves that aluminum in vaccines are safe!

    I NAMED a number of studies showing that Aluminum in Vaccines is linked to Autism and
    Schizophrenia – both diseases which are sky-rocketing in young people born after 1990 when
    CDC QUADRUPLED the amount of Aluminum injected into babies and young children!

    #1653975

    doomsday
    Participant

    Why Won’t CDC do a Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed Study???

    ProVaxxers: Because Vaccines contain different ingredients

    Folks, that is RIDICULOUS!

    There already was a Vaxxed vs Unvaxxed study that showed that UnVaxxed Kids have Waaaaaaaaaay LESS
    Autism, ADHD, Learning Disabilities, Allergies, Asthma etc!

    But CDC refuses to do a Larger Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed Study because CDC KNOWS that Vaccines cause
    Autism – and many other Chronic Sicknesses!

    Fact: CDC OWNS VACCINE PATENTS!
    Fact: CDC accepts MILLIONS $$$ in GIFTS from Vaccine Industry!
    Fact: CDC is part of HHS – and HHS get SUED for Vaccine Injuries in Vaccine Court!
    Fact: CDC is the WITNESS in Vaccine Court AGAINST the Vaccine Injured Children!

    So CDC only makes FRAUDULENT Studies showing Vaccines are Safe – and refuses to the Most SCIENTIFIC Study that would prove that Vaccines are NOT SAFE (vaxxed vs unfaxxed) because then HHS would have to pay TRILLIONS $$$ to the Millions of Vaccine Injured Children!

    THAT is why CDC refuses to Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed Study! FOLLOW THE MONEY!

    #1654018

    Health
    Participant

    Dooms -“So CDC only makes FRAUDULENT Studies showing Vaccines are Safe – ”

    Unfortunately you’re so brainwashed you don’t even read my posts.
    You just post your Anti-vaxxing theories without reading anyone else’s posts.
    I’m going to repeat them, but not for you, but for the followers of the Anti-vaxxer movement in the Frum community!

    From Vaxopedia:
    “But of course, aluminum in vaccines doesn’t cause autism.
    In fact, “vaccines using aluminum adjuvants have a demonstrated safety profile of more than six decades.”
    “concludes that “we found no evidence that aluminum salts in vaccines cause any serious or long-lasting adverse events.”

    This proves vaccines are safe & effective, no matter what the Anti-vaxxers say or write!

    #1654077

    Health
    Participant

    Dooms -“Some ProVaxxers found Lying Websites called “Science Based Medicine” and “TruthScapism”
    that falsely claim there ARE studies that are vaxxed vs unvaxxed”

    And here’s some more:

    “In an accompanying editorial, Dr. Bryan King, director of the Seattle Children’s Autism Center, writes:
    “Taken together, some dozen studies have now shown that the age of onset of ASD does not differ between vaccinated and unvaccinated children, the severity or course of ASD does not differ between vaccinated and unvaccinated children, and now the risk of ASD recurrence in families does not differ between vaccinated and unvaccinated children.”

    #1654086

    doomsday
    Participant

    Health: “Taken together, some dozen studies have now shown that the age of onset of ASD does not differ between vaccinated and unvaccinated children, the severity or course of ASD does not differ between vaccinated and unvaccinated children, and now the risk of ASD recurrence in families does not differ between vaccinated and unvaccinated children.”

    Unvaccinated does NOT mean Unvaccinated! ProVax Officials LIE and label anyone who is
    partially vaccinated “UnVaccinated”.

    Proof: There has NEVER been a ProVax Study that is Vaxxed vs 100% Unvaxxed! NEVER! NEVER!
    So Health, that statement is a LIE!
    Because of HEALTHY USER BIAS – children who are PARTIALLY vaccinated have a higher rate of Autism because Parents STOP vaccinated when children develop Signs of Autism.
    But Partially Vaccinated is NOT “Unvaccinated” as all the FRAUDULENT Studies LIE!

    #1654087

    doomsday
    Participant

    Health “In an accompanying editorial, Dr. Bryan King, director of the Seattle Children’s Autism Center, writes: “Taken together, some dozen studies have now shown that the age of onset of ASD does not differ between vaccinated and unvaccinated children, the severity or course of ASD does not differ between vaccinated and unvaccinated children, and now the risk of ASD recurrence in families does not differ between vaccinated and unvaccinated children.”

    Health, Dr. Bryan King is LYING. Name me a Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed Study? Based on what studies is Dr. King making that claim? Or is he LYING and calling Partially Vaxxed “UNVAXXED”???

    #1654171

    Health
    Participant

    Dooms -“Or is he LYING and calling Partially Vaxxed “UNVAXXED”???”

    It really doesn’t matter if the study was really Partially Vaxxed to Vaxxed!
    If you would have looked at the research you’ll see that Vaxxed has less Autism than Partially Vaxxed or Unvaxxed.
    I know that you won’t believe me, but maybe I can convince other Anti-vaxxers!

    Here is the pertinent part:
    “In the new study, MMR vaccination rates for children without an affected older siblings were 84 percent at 2 years and 92 percent by age 5 years. Vaccination rates for children with an older sibling affected by autism were significantly lower: 73 percent at 2 years and 86 percent at age 5 years.
    Of the 95,727 children in the study, around 1 percent (994) were diagnosed with autism during the study’s follow-up period. Among those who had an older sibling with autism (1,929), approximately 7 percent (134) developed the disorder. This difference in autism prevalence – between children with or without an older sibling affected by autism – is consistent with earlier studies.”

    #1654211

    ubiquitin
    Participant

    “Because of HEALTHY USER BIAS – children who are PARTIALLY vaccinated have a higher rate of Autism because Parents STOP vaccinated when children develop Signs of Autism.”

    for the 10th? 20th ? time
    that isn’t “Healthy user bias”

    Stop making up scientific facts and misusing terms
    It makes it impossible to have a normal conversation with you (is that your intent?

    Here is how our conversations go :
    Me: what color is the sky
    you : CHICKEN
    Me: Chicken isnt a color
    you: Healthy USER BIAS
    Me what are you trying to say?
    you FOLKS look at the pro blue-SKY crowd, they refuse to ACKNOWLEDGE the simple FACT that silver foil PROTECTS against thought CONTROL.

    #1654542

    doomsday
    Participant

    Folks, the Pro Vaxxers are LYING again. I understand what Healthy User Bias is and there are many papers that
    say the Vaccine Safety Tests are INVALID because of Healthy User Bias which HIDES the Harm of Vaccines.
    Here are excerpts from a few Studies that discuss how Healthy User Bias INVALIDATES Non-Randomized studies:

    Confounding in Studies of Adverse Reactions to Vaccines (American Journal of Epidemiology)
    Studies that fail to control adequately for such confounding factors are likely to underestimate the risks of adverse events attributable to vaccination… Confounding of this sort is a general problem for studies of adverse reactions to prophylactic interventions, as they may be withheld from some individuals precisely because they are already at high risk of the adverse event.

    Review of the literature on SIDS, encephalopathies, and DPT suggests that a large number of factors are associated with both a tendency to avoid or delay vaccination and an increased risk of SIDS and other serious neurologic events. That failure to control for such factors may lead to spurious negative associations between vaccination and adverse events is evident in several published investigations. Examination of the logic underlying this relation reveals that failure to control for such factors in analyses may mask true associations between vaccinations and certain adverse outcomes under certain conditions

    The Introduction of Diphtheria-Tetanus-Pertussis and Oral Polio Vaccine Among Young Infants in an Urban African Community: A Natural Experiment (Morgensen)

    The Mogensen et al. study was specifically designed to avoid HUB (Healthy User Bias). It says the following about healthy user bias in prior studies of DTP and mortality:
    “…the “unvaccinated” children in these studies have usually been frail children too sick or malnourished to get vaccinated, and the studies may therefore have underestimated the negative effect of DTP.”
    NOTE: “these studies” = prior studies of DTP and mortality (or SIDS)
    DTP Vaccine Increases Mortality 5-Fold, In Study Without Healthy User Bias

    The Healthy User Effect: Ubiquitous and Uncontrollable
    S. R. Majumdar, MD MPH FRCPC FACP
    Professor of Medicine, Endowed Chair in Patient Health Management,
    The healthy user effect probably cannot be controlled without RANDOMIZED trials
    1. Flu vaccine has small to absent clinical benefit in randomized trials
    2. Stable or increasing pneumonia and death rates in the elderly in the face of
    400% increases in vaccine coverage
    3. But flu vaccine has a huge benefit in every cohort ever studied and published

    Translation: In studies, Flu Vaccine showed a “HUGE Benefit” but in RANDOMIZED Studies, the benefit was ZERO.
    Even though Flu Vaccines has increased 400% – the Rate of Death and Pneumonia has been stable or INCREASED!
    NO Benefit from Flu Vaccine (Except to Vaccine Industry) and maybe causes INCREASE in Pneumonia and Death!

    #1654536

    apushatayid
    Participant

    1295 posts later…..

    #1654527

    doomsday
    Participant

    Health: If you would have looked at the research you’ll see that Vaxxed has less Autism than Partially Vaxxed or Unvaxxed.

    Show me the study that compared Autism Rate between Vaxxed and 100% Unvaxxed.

    All the ProVax Studies have been between Vaxxed and Partially Vaxxed!

    #1654551

    doomsday
    Participant

    Folks, I am going to explain Healthy User Bias again to show how it HIDES the HARM of Vaccines!
    All CDC Vaccine Safety tests are INVALID because of Healthy User Bias – the studies are NOT RANDOMIZED and they are not Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed but Vaxxed vs Vaxxed.

    The MMR-AUTISM Sibling Study looked at the Insurance Records of 95,000 Children and said the Autism Rate was same whether or not the children got MMR rate. The Study then FRAUDULENTLY stated this “Proves” that MMR does not cause Autism! This is why Healthy User Bias makes the Study INVALID:

    1. Babies receive vaccines BEFORE they’re Born (Dtap and Flu), AT BIRTH (Hep B) and at 2 months, 4 months and 6 months. These babies have been INJECTED with 3,675 mcg of Aluminum by 6 months.

    2. The MMR Vaccine is given at 12-15 Months. Parents whose children are NORMAL give the MMR shot.
    Parents whose children show signs of AUTISM do NOT give the MMR shot!
    This causes MORE children with Autism to be in the Non-MMR Category.
    But these children likely became Autistic BECAUSE of all the previous Vaccines they had!

    This is how Healthy User Bias HIDES the HARM of Vaccines because it is NOT Randomized!

    #1654584

    Health
    Participant

    Dooms -“Show me the study that compared Autism Rate between Vaxxed and 100% Unvaxxed.
    All the ProVax Studies have been between Vaxxed and Partially Vaxxed!”

    Even if you’re Right, we have proven Vaccines don’t cause Autism!

    “The MMR-AUTISM Sibling Study looked at the Insurance Records of 95,000 Children and said the Autism Rate was same whether or not the children got MMR rate. The Study then FRAUDULENTLY stated this “Proves” that MMR does not cause Autism! This is why Healthy User Bias makes the Study INVALID:
    1. Babies receive vaccines BEFORE they’re Born (Dtap and Flu), AT BIRTH (Hep B) and at 2 months, 4 months and 6 months. These babies have been INJECTED with 3,675 mcg of Aluminum by 6 months.
    2. The MMR Vaccine is given at 12-15 Months. Parents whose children are NORMAL give the MMR shot.
    Parents whose children show signs of AUTISM do NOT give the MMR shot!
    This causes MORE children with Autism to be in the Non-MMR Category.
    But these children likely became Autistic BECAUSE of all the previous Vaccines they had!”

    It shows how confused you are!
    You don’t even understand what we are trying to prove with these studies.
    Since you don’t know – I’ll tell you;
    We are proving Vaccines don’t cause Autism!
    The total Vaxxed kids only 1% became Autistic, while the partial Vaxxed kids – 7% became Autistic.
    If Vaccines caused Autism, it would both be the same percentage or the total Vaxxed kids would be more.
    This is basic HIGH SCHOOL MATH!
    Are all the Anti-vaxxed guys in the Frum community the same genius as you, or at least they’re just vastly ignorant?!?

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