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  • #1630962

    doomsday
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    You admit that vaccines triggered autism, then claim without any evidence that these children would have developed autism anyway. Parents who had a child develop autism after vaccines, usually refuse to vaccinate their younger children who DON’T develop autism. Autism is extremely rare among unvaccinated children.
    That is why CDC refuses to do a study comparing Vaccinated children to Unvaccinated Children.

    #1630963

    doomsday
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    Most alternative therapy is FREE or LOW COST. The main therapy is to eat a healthy organic diet and avoid
    exposure to chemicals. Next is to take vitamin supplements which cost pennies. People have used nutrition and supplements to cure cancer and other diseases and NOBODY is profiting over this information which is available for FREE on the internet. The only companies making HUGE PROFITS off sickness is BIG PHARMA!

    #1630965

    doomsday
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    There are many toxins in vaccines but the ones likely to cause brain damage (autism) are
    Thimerosal (Mercury) and Aluminum. These are known neurotoxins.

    #1630985

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    One lie after another

    #1630989

    doomsday
    Participant

    Reb Yid: Why are anti-vaxxers obsessed with Autism?
    Answer: Because Autism has gone from 1:10,000 in 1970s to 1:58 today. Autism rise directly correlates to
    increase in vaccinations.
    But it’s not just autism. 1:6 children are learning disabled. Many have ADHD. Also diabetes, cancer, epilepsy, mental illness, allergies, asthma, sids, chrohns disease, IBS is skyrocketing in children!

    #1630990

    doomsday
    Participant

    If autism is “genetic” how did the autism rate go from 1:10,000 in 1970s to 1:59 today???

    #1630991

    Bshtei_Einayim
    Participant

    Stop with your gibberish ready. You don’t need to scour the internet for official sounding anti vaccine reports. It does not impress us at all. All the doctors, who actually understand medicine, have much more sound basis for their unanimous support of vaccines. All letters from Gedolei Yisroel, and now R’ Aaron Schechter Shlita as well, state that we must all vaccinate. I hear Novaminsk will not accept unvaccinated bochorim. So please stop trying to confuse people. You no longer have a chezkas kashrus.

    #1630999

    🍫Syag Lchochma
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    “Reb Yid: Why are anti-vaxxers obsessed with Autism?
    Answer: Because Autism has gone from 1:10,000 in 1970s to 1:58 today. Autism rise directly correlates to
    increase in vaccinations.”

    Do you know why these statements are just plain silly? because directly correlating means nothing. You have no possible way to control the other factors involved. None. So autism rises directly correlate to increase in vaccinations. Well guess what. Autism rises correlate to rises in use of ultrasound. Do you know that when I ws having my first kids they didn’t recommend I get ultrasounds because they could tell by the way the baby shielded his face during ultrasounds that the waves bothered him. And that we have no idea what the long term effects would be! And they really meant it when they said it too!

    And autism rises correlate to rises in use of preservatives. and artificial color and flavors. and decrease in natural foods. And an increase in use of car seats – leaving kids in “container” for hours at a time (car seat to infant swing to carseat). I have a book on the effects of this type of sensory deprivation on the development of children leading to severe sensory dysfunction.

    And autism rises correlate to rises in use of technology. An increase in use of 2 dimentional experience completely devoid of touch, smell, taste and severely limiting the range of eye motion and fine motor movements necessary to develop neurologically healthy.

    And autism rises correlate to rises in two parent incomes where children are severely limited to exposure to their parents, the consistency of adult supervision and values across their day and week.

    Can you be sure any one of these “crazy ideas” is more or less responsible for an increase in autism than vaccines? I sure can tell you that after 30 years of working closely with families and individuals touched directly by autism, my correlations make a lot more sense than a measles vaccine that only effects a tiny percentage of the people who are exposed to it. But they sure would take a lot more work on your part to rectify than just boycotting your doctor.

    #1630996

    doomsday
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    Vaccine Court has paid out large awards to autistic children recognizing that they are VACCINE INJURED.
    But the diagnosis Vaccine Court recognizes is Encephalitis (brain damage caused by inflamation, swelling).
    Children who get Encephalitis often have PERMANENT Brain Damage diagnosed as “autism”.
    The Merck Manual explains the causes of encephalitis as:
    “A virus directly infects the brain.
    A virus that caused an infection in the past becomes reactivated and directly damages the brain.
    A virus or vaccine triggers a reaction that makes the immune system attack brain tissue (an autoimmune reaction).”
    So Merck, biggest Vaccine Manufacturer, acknowledges that Vaccines cause Brain Damage. And that is
    what Autism is – Brain Damage. And Autistic Children have received Millions $$$ from Vaccine Court.

    #1631005

    2scents
    Participant

    Doomsday,

    This is becoming silly, your just exposing yourself more and more.

    A. No one admitted that vaccines trigger autism only that the age when autism is detected happens to correlate with the age we give vaccines. The fact that you and people like you have decided that this is evidence that vaccines causes autism is ridiculous and inappropriate.

    B. Amis people, while they have a much lower vaccination rate (68%) as per a study in pediatrics, the ‘report’ that was reported in the newswire and is a source often cited has been shown to be inaacurate.

    C. Using standard ASD testing, researchers have concluded there is about 1/271 individuals that fit the criteria if ASD.

    D. Amish people in general have a bias against modern medicine, so to just compare then at face value without proper research cannot be taken as is.

    You repeating numerous times that vaccines cause autism will not change fiction into fact, you would have to base it on evidence.

    #1631012

    2scents
    Participant

    Doomsday,

    All of your questions have straightforward answers, its just silly to answer them when your bent on defending the religion of anti-modern medicine, vs following the facts and current data.

    Autism isnt the only thing thats on the rise, obesity, diabetes, asthma, cardiac diseases and strokes. We now see them in younger people. Im sure these are all associated with vaccines (for sure not with the unhealthy life style and genetics).

    Oh.. but vaccines arent new, so why are these diseases kn the rise, wouldnt there be a plateau?

    These discussions are silly, they do not take into consideration true facts and data.

    #1631047

    Health
    Participant

    Doomsday -“A virus or vaccine triggers a reaction that makes the immune system attack brain tissue (an autoimmune reaction).”

    Thanks for proving me right! Now maybe 2scents will talk to me nicely about my previous conversations with him. (See the word “Triggers”.)

    “So Merck, biggest Vaccine Manufacturer, acknowledges that Vaccines cause Brain Damage. And that is
    what Autism is – Brain Damage.”

    Stop mispresenting the Truth!
    The way you are able to turn things around – you must have a Krumme Kop.
    Because of your silliness – I went online to the Merck Manual.

    Here’s what it says about Autism:
    “The specific cause in most cases of autism spectrum disorders remains elusive. However, some cases have occurred with congenital rubella syndrome, cytomegalic inclusion disease, phenylketonuria, tuberous sclerosis complex, or Fragile X syndrome.
    Strong evidence supports a genetic component. For parents of one child with an autism spectrum disorder, risk of having a subsequent child with an autism spectrum disorder is 50 to 100 times greater. The concordance rate of autism is high in monozygotic twins. Research on families has suggested several potential target gene areas, including those related to neurotransmitter receptors ( serotonin and gamma-aminobutyric acid [GABA]) and CNS structural control (HOX genes). Environmental causes have been suspected but are unproved. There is strong evidence that vaccinations do not cause autism, and the primary study that suggested this association has been withdrawn because its author falsified data (see also MMR vaccine and autism).
    Differences in brain structure and function probably underlie much of the etiology of autism spectrum disorders. Some children with autism spectrum disorders have enlarged ventricles, some have hypoplasia of the cerebellar vermis, and others have abnormalities of brain stem nuclei.”

    #1631050

    doomsday
    Participant

    @doingmybest: So if we don’t take vaccines, 1 in a thousand die. if we do take vaccines 1 in a million gets damaged.
    Answer: Today’s children are the SICKEST GENERATION EVER!
    1:6 children are learning disabled
    1:6 children are allergic
    1:13 children have asthma
    1:15 children have ADHD
    1:5 teens had episode of mental illness
    1:8 children have IBS
    1:59 children have autism
    1:100 children have epilepsy
    1:250 children have tourettes syndrome
    1:400 children have diabetes
    1:775 babies die of SIDS
    1:1,000 children have Celiac Disease
    1:5,560 children have CANCER
    168 Deaths following vaccines reported to VAERS every year. ZERO deaths from Measles.
    TELL ME HOW ALL THE ABOVE IS BETTER THEN MEASLES?

    #1631052

    doomsday
    Participant

    twocents: A. No one admitted that vaccines trigger autism only that the age when autism is detected happens to correlate with the age we give vaccines.
    Doomsday: YOU are lying. Neither vaccine court nor merck “admitted that autism happens to correlate with age we give vaccines” as you falsely stated.
    Vaccine Court has paid out Millions for encephalitis which was caused by vaccines. This was confirmed in the MERCK Manual that vaccines can cause encephalitis. Encephalitis is inflamation/swelling of the brain which can cause PERMANENT BRAIN DAMAGE i.e. Autism.

    #1631054

    doomsday
    Participant

    Syog Lchochma: Do you know why these statements are just plain silly? because directly correlating means nothing.
    Doomsday: Do you know who else said that correlation means nothing?
    For Decades the TOBACCO INDUSTRY LIED and DENIED that cigarettes cause cancer!
    Tobacco Industry hired scientists to chant “correlation does not mean causation”.
    Do you know what PROVED that smoking causes cancer?
    A study comparing cancer rates of smokers vs non-smokers.
    Do you know what study CDC refuses to do? A study comparing vaccinated to unvaccinated!!!
    WHY DO YOU SUPPOSE CDC REFUSES TO DO THAT STUDY???

    #1631058

    doomsday
    Participant

    2Scents: Autism isnt the only thing thats on the rise, obesity, diabetes, asthma, cardiac diseases and strokes. We now see them in younger people. Im sure these are all associated with vaccines (for sure not with the unhealthy life style and genetics). Oh.. but vaccines arent new, so why are these diseases kn the rise?
    Doomsday:
    In 1950, there were 3 childhood vaccines typically given when a child entered school.
    In 1983, there were 10 recommended vaccines by the age of 6 years old (24 doses, 7 injections, 4 oral doses for polio).
    In 2016, the schedule has increased to 74 doses by age 17 with 53 injections and 3 oral doses of rotavirus.
    These rapid increases in the vaccine schedule mean that a 6 month old baby born today would receive over 2.5 times the number of vaccines as the maximum permitted for a 6 year old back in the 1980’s. And, by the time that same baby was 12 years old, he/she would have received over 7X the number of vaccines as a child born 30 years ago.
    Predictably, children today are suffering from autoimmune disorders, behavioral problems, and physical disabilities at a rate growing in lockstep with the skyrocketing number of shots.

    #1631064

    doomsday
    Participant

    Health: From the CDC:
    “Thimerosal is a mercury-based preservative that has been used for decades in the United States in multi-dose vials (vials containing more than one dose) of medicines and vaccines. There is no evidence of harm caused by the low doses of thimerosal in vaccines
    Doomsday: There are 90 published peer reviewed studies showing that Thimerosal causes harm.
    Are you aware that the CDC owns 50 vaccine patents? Are you aware that HALF the new drugs are withdrawn within 5 years of release because they cause so much death and injury? And all these drugs underwent “rigorous safety tests” by Big Pharma and were approved by FDA.
    The drug Viox killed 60,000 people – and it was “safety tested” and approved by FDA.
    Still trust “safety tests” and government agencies who have financial ties to Pharmaceutical Companies?
    was “safety tested” and approved by FDA.

    #1631065

    doomsday
    Participant

    Health, you lack reading comprehension. The Merck Manual says that vaccines can cause encephalitis. And encephalitis can cause autism. AND the Merck Manual also says we don’t know what causes autism, it appears to have a genetic component.
    Don’t you see how Merck is talking out of both sides of their mouth? THEY ADMIT THAT VACCINES CAN CAUSE ENCEPHALITIS (which can cause autism) but then they LIE and say “we don’t know what causes autism”!
    Anyone with good reading comprehension would notice that Merck is contradicting itself!

    #1631078

    Milhouse
    Participant

    “Autism is extremely rare in unvaccinated children”

    This is an outright lie.

    “Let’s try Amish children. They are mostly unvaccinated.”

    Another lie

    “he has seen no cases of autism in the thousands of Amish children he has treated over 25 years.”

    He lies. He sees plenty of autism, he just doesn’t want to call it that. And some of it he doesn’t see because the parents see no need to bring an otherwise healthy child to his clinic just because s/he is behaving abnormally.

    All the “doctors” you cite are liars. They all make very good money from gullible people like you. Why should we give them more credibility than you give normal doctors, the CDC, and the vaccine industry?

    #1631079

    Milhouse
    Participant

    ” People have used nutrition and supplements to cure cancer and other diseases ”

    More lies. No, they have not. People who treat cancer with “nutrition and supplements” are called corpses, and suicides at that.

    “If autism is “genetic” how did the autism rate go from 1:10,000 in 1970s to 1:59 today???”

    It didn’t. Most of that increase is simply more sensitive diagnosis. The rest of it is likely to be due to an increase in the number of couples carrying the genes, as carriers meet and marry each other. But there are many unknown factors at play; the one thing we know beyond all doubt is <i>not</i> a factor is vaccines. It’s been studied so intensely that if there were any truth to it, the evidence would have been found by now.

    And I repeat: VAERS is not proof of anything. <i>Nothing</i> in VAERS is confirmed. It’s all simply reports of bad things that happened after vaccines, without any reason to suppose the vaccines had anything to do with them.

    #1631080

    Milhouse
    Participant

    More on Amish

    #1631095

    WinnieThePooh
    Participant

    “Today’s children are the SICKEST GENERATION EVER!”

    Ahh, nostalgia for the good old days when mothers buried their kids. When they lived in fear of polio. When smallpox killed millions. When youngsters died of “consumption”. When typhus decimated entire families. Before big, bad Pharma invented vaccines and antibiotics. Yup, I prefer all that to a kid with ADHD or learning disabilities or having to give a kid a gluten free diet.

    Do you really believe that vaccines cause all that? How come you did not include the rate of kids dying in car accidents while you were at it?
    Also confusing- are you blaming all vaccines or only MMR? If the former (which I suspect, or else you would not have included SIDS which is defined as sudden death in babies under 1 yr of age, before they get the MMR), then you have to compare to the death rates of all diseases that have been prevented by vaccines. And not just deaths, but also complications as bad as allergies and ADHD etc that you listed above. Also, you can’t compare to the low death rate in a (mostly) vaccinated population, but what the death rate would be without vaccination.

    Here’s some other statistics:
    there were between 1000-to over 3000 polio deaths in the US in the early 19050s before the vaccine was introduced. That number dropped to around 500 in the years immediately after, and by the 1960s was basically 0. In the early 1950s, more than 15000 were left paralyzed by the disease each year.

    Smallpox in the US was eliminated earlier- the vaccine was discovered by Jenner in the late 1700s. In the last US epidemic in 1902, there were 1596 reported cases and 270 deaths. In the 18th century, 400,000 Europeans died each year from smallpox, mortality rate among children was 80%. But elsewhere in the developing world, small pox continued to kill millions until its eradication in 1979 following global efforts of vaccination by the WHO.

    Rubella: In an epidemic in 1964-65 (before development of first vaccine) there were 12.5 million cases of rubella, affecting 20,000 babies whose mothers were infected- 2100 neonatal deaths, 11,000 deaf babies, 3,500 blind, and 1,800 mentally impaired.

    And finally, our favorite, measles, which you said resulted in zero deaths. Did you miss the report of the baby who died of the recent epidemic? One simple google click gave me a WHO website that stated that “Global measles deaths have decreased by 84% from an estimated 550 100 in 2000 to 89 780 in 2016.” Most of these deaths were in children under 5. The drop in death rate was due to vaccination. If you want US data, then the CDC reports that prior to 1963 when the vaccine was introduced, there were 400-500 deaths each year.

    I assume you will say that the CDC and WHO make up these numbers to scare people so that they will vaccinate.

    #1631055

    Doing my best
    Participant

    ANTI VAXXERS,
    I noticed something funny about you; your’ single point has been adressed.
    You said autism rates are up because of vaccines, but as 2scents said, “why hasn’t there been a plateau?”
    Furthermore,
    CDC/MMWR
    “Overall, U.S. vaccination coverage is at record high levels. In 1997, coverage among children aged 19-35 months (median age: 27 months) exceeded 90% for three or more doses of diphtheria and tetanus toxoids and pertussis vaccine (DTP), three or more doses of poliovirus vaccine, three or more doses of Hib vaccine, and one or more doses of measles-containing vaccine.”
    STATISTICA.COM
    “It was found that in the year 2017, around 91.5 percent of children aged 19 to 35 months had received all their doses of the measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccine.”
    Okay, so vaccination rates stayed about the same for MMR for the past 20 years.
    (It actually fell for others, as seen on the graph on Statistica.)
    So then why did autism continue to rise?

    However, YOU never addressed this.

    HRSA .GOV ON VACCINE INJURIES
    “How many petitions have been awarded compensation?
    According to the CDC, from 2006 to 2016 over 3.1 billion doses of covered vaccines were distributed in the U.S. For petitions filed in this time period, 5,564 petitions were adjudicated by the Court, and of those 3,773 were compensated. THIS MEANS FOR EVERY 1 MILLION DOSES OF VACCINE THAT WERE DISTRIBUTED, 1 INDIVIDUAL WAS COMPENSATED.

    Since 1988, over 20,018 petitions have been filed with the VICP. Over that 30-year time period, 17,536 petitions have been adjudicated, with 6,276 of those determined to be compensable, while 11,260 were dismissed. Total compensation paid over the life of the program is approximately $4.0 billion.”

    Remember, those are facts.

    OK, so we have about 10,000 vaccine injuries since 1988. (including unreported and unfairly uncompensated)
    let’s do some math. Since 1988, USA population has gone up by around 41 million. According to the CDC, 1 in a thousand measles cases die. if there were no vaccines everyone would have gotten the measles. This means that 41,000 of those 41 million would have died. so we have the option of either 10,000 vaccine injuries vs. 41,000 deaths.
    Which do you think is worse?

    If you do not PROVE this reasoning wrong, you have lost the debate.

    #1631555

    Health
    Participant

    doomsday -“Vaccine Court has paid out Millions for encephalitis which was caused by vaccines.”

    PROVE THAT! I already posted why courts give awards.

    “This was confirmed in the MERCK Manual that vaccines can cause encephalitis. Encephalitis is inflamation/swelling of the brain which can cause PERMANENT BRAIN DAMAGE i.e. Autism”

    Your obvious lack of understaning simple things – I already explained this to you.

    #1631572

    Health
    Participant

    doomsday -“Are you aware that the CDC owns 50 vaccine patents? Are you aware that HALF the new drugs are withdrawn within 5 years of release because they cause so much death and injury? And all these drugs underwent “rigorous safety tests” by Big Pharma and were approved by FDA.”

    PROVE THAT! Stop with your lying – in order to Push your Alternative Medicine Theories.

    “The drug Viox killed 60,000 people – and it was “safety tested” and approved by FDA.
    Still trust “safety tests” and government agencies who have financial ties to Pharmaceutical Companies?
    was “safety tested” and approved by FDA.”

    ANOTHER LIE! Btw, Vioxx wasn’t removed from the market from the FDA, Merck Pharm removed it voluntarily! Because they found it wasn’t safe for use after 18 months. Up until that time (18 months) Vioxx is/was a safe drug.

    #1631609

    Some Common Sense
    Participant

    ANT-VAXXER,
    Do you trust science and engineering?
    Do you listen and follow our Gedolim?
    Do you understand risk management?
    Do you know the acceptable risk for environmental release of chemicals?
    If not, what do you believe in?

    #1631571

    2scents
    Participant

    Doing my best,

    If one takes a look at the cases that were compensated, mostly were anaphylaxis (allergic reactions), provider instigated injuries and children that should not have otherwise gotten any vaccines, such as right after chemo treatment or had signs of compromised immunity yet inappropriately were given vaccines.

    There is risks with every action that we do, not every child that rides the bus to school will return back home alive and healthy, yet it is an accepted risk most of us take, its impossible to predict zero injury or potential adverse reaction to anything, yet its well below the acceptable level and is safer than most other actions we take in life.

    #1631597

    Health
    Participant

    Doomsday -“Health, you lack reading comprehension. The Merck Manual says that vaccines can cause encephalitis. And encephalitis can cause autism. AND the Merck Manual also says we don’t know what causes autism, it appears to have a genetic component.
    Don’t you see how Merck is talking out of both sides of their mouth? THEY ADMIT THAT VACCINES CAN CAUSE ENCEPHALITIS (which can cause autism) but then they LIE and say “we don’t know what causes autism”!
    Anyone with good reading comprehension would notice that Merck is contradicting itself!”

    You’re the one that can’t understand Medical books/manuals!
    What was the last grade you finished?
    Did you go to High School?!?

    I’ll repeat what I previously posted:
    “However, some cases have occurred with congenital rubella syndrome, cytomegalic inclusion disease, phenylketonuria, tuberous sclerosis complex, or Fragile X syndrome.
    Strong evidence supports a genetic component.
    I’ll grant you that vaccines are a trigger. Do you know the difference between a cause and a trigger?
    Cause means something made this happen. Trigger means it would happen anyways, but it happened now because of this. So the patient would get sick no matter what. It’s just a matter of time.
    So why would a rational person delay getting the vaccines because they will get sick at a later date anyways?”

    #1631599

    2scents
    Participant

    doomsday,

    I guess someone needs to explain this to you, no not Merck nor the vaccine courts have ‘admitted’ that vaccines cause autism or other diseases.

    This is what the Merck insert actually states.
    Based on VAERS reporting, there were individuals with severely compromised immune systems that developed encephalitis from the MMR vaccine, yet even that was only 1 in 3m cases.
    Far lower than the 1 in 1000 encephalitis cases seen from the wild measles virus.

    Individuals with known compromised immune systems are a clear contraindication and should not have received the MMR vaccine, which is why they are also compensated if they are injured.

    The VAERS reporting accepts reports from anyone, most of the possible adverse effects are from the VAERS reporting, which is why they are listed as possible side effects even when there are studies proving no link between the vaccine and the potential side effects.

    For you to twist that as an admission for autism, is completely dishonest and furthers the claim that the entire notion of vaccine and autism being linked, is simply a fraud.

    #1631607

    doomsday
    Participant

    POLIO WAS NOT ERADICATED – IT WAS RENAMED BY THE CDC AFTER POLIO VACCINE INTRODUCED:
    1. Cases of inflammation of the membrane that protects the brain and spinal neuron cells, causing muscular weakness and pain (but not paralysis) were no longer classified as “polio”; they were now to be referred to as aseptic meningitis, even if the polio virus was present.
    Reported cases of aseptic meningitis went from near zero to thousands, and polio cases dropped the same amount.

    2. Then, later in 1958, the CDC changed the definition of “polio” again!! All cases with classic polio paralytic symptoms were to be called acute flaccid paralysis. In 1960, the CDC triumphantly declared large parts of the world as “polio free,” while the newly created acute flaccid paralysis “mysteriously” became quite common.

    3. Another new name for Polio is Guillian-Barre Syndrome which is defined as a “polio-like” illness
    (but don’t call it Polio!)

    4. Prior to Polio Vaccine, Polio was diagnosed if patient had paralysis for 24 hours. After polio vaccine, CDC CHANGED THE CRITERIA for diagnosing polio – the paralysis now how to last 90 days too be called Polio.
    Since 90% of Polio patients have a complete recovery, people who recovered from Polio were no longer being
    diagnosed as ever having had Polio!

    5. EVERY Year there are 75,000 cases of aseptic meningitis, 6,000 cases of guillian-barre syndrome, 1,400 cases of traverse myletis = 82,400 cases of “POLIO-LIKE” illnesses every year! This is about equal to the PEAK rate of Polio prior to the Polio Vaccine.

    6. All of the above “Polio-Like” illnesses are listed on Vaccine Inserts as a common Adverse Event following
    vaccination. That is, Vaccines may cause “polio-like” illnesses!

    7. In 1977, Jonas Salk, the creator of the polio vaccine, testified before a Senate subcommittee that “all polio outbreaks since 1961 were caused by the oral polio vaccine.” In 1985, the CDC reported that 87% of the cases of polio in the USA between 1973 and 1983 were caused by the vaccine and most of the reported cases occurred in fully immunized individuals.

    8. CDC also redefined definition of “Polio Epidemic”. Before vaccines if there were 20 cases of Polio per 100,000 it was a “Polio Epidemic”. AFTER Polio Vaccine, there had to be 35 cases of Polio per 100,000 to be called a
    “Polio Epidemic”. Then CDC Falsely claimed that Polio Vaccines caused drop in “Polio Epidemics” when it was
    the NEW DEFINITION that was responsible for the “drop”! This was reported by Chicago Tribune, 1960.

    #1631632

    Health
    Participant

    Doomsday -“POLIO WAS NOT ERADICATED – IT WAS RENAMED BY THE CDC AFTER POLIO VACCINE INTRODUCED:
    1. Cases of inflammation of the membrane that protects the brain and spinal neuron cells, causing muscular weakness and pain (but not paralysis) were no longer classified as “polio”; they were now to be referred to as aseptic meningitis, even if the polio virus was present.
    Reported cases of aseptic meningitis went from near zero to thousands, and polio cases dropped the same amount.
    EVERY Year there are 75,000 cases of aseptic meningitis,”

    I’m getting sick and tired of responding to your ridiculous posts! The reason I keep doing it is because this Anti-vaxxer cult has been instrumental in creating many in the Frum community that believes in this Avodah Zora.
    From Medscape:
    “Aseptic meningitis may be caused by viruses, bacteria, fungi, parasites, drugs, systemic diseases, and miscellaneous other conditions.

    Viral causes include the following:
    Enteroviruses – coxsackievirus, echovirus, poliovirus
    Herpes simplex virus (HSV) types 1 and 2 (HSV-1, HSV-2)
    Varicella-zoster virus
    Arboviruses
    Epstein-Barr virus
    HIV
    Influenza virus types A and B
    Mumps virus
    Coloradotick fever virus
    Lymphocytic choriomeningitis virus (LCMV)
    Rabies

    Bacterial causes are as follows:
    Partially treated bacterial meningitis
    Parameningeal infection
    Endocarditis
    Mycoplasma pneumoniae
    Mycobacterium tuberculosis
    Ehrlichiosis – monocytic, granulocytic
    Borrelia burgdorferi
    Treponema pallidum
    Brucella species

    Fungal causes are as follows:
    Cryptococcus neoformans
    Histoplasma capsulatum
    Coccidioides immitis
    Blastomyces dermatitides
    Parasites that can cause aseptic meningitis are as follows:
    Toxoplasma gondii
    Taenia solium (cysticercosis)

    Drugs that can cause aseptic meningitis include the following:
    Nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs)
    Antimicrobials (e.g., trimethoprim-sulfamethoxazole, amoxicillin, isoniazid)
    Muromonab-CD3 (Orthoclone OKT3)
    Azathioprine
    Intravenous immunoglobulin
    Intrathecal methotrexate
    Intrathecal cystine arabinoside
    Vaccines
    Allopurinol

    Systemic diseases that can cause aseptic meningitis include the following:
    Sarcoidosis
    Leptomeningeal cancer
    Posttransplantation lymphoproliferative disorder
    Systemic lupus erythematosus
    Wegener granulomatosis
    CNS vasculitis
    Behçet disease
    Vogt-Koyanagi-Harada syndrome

    Miscellaneous causes include the following:
    Arachnoiditis
    Migraine
    Postinfectious syndromes”

    #1631623

    doomsday
    Participant

    Millhouse: All the “doctors” you cite are liars. They all make very good money from gullible people like you. Why should we give them more credibility than you give normal doctors, the CDC, and the vaccine industry?”

    Doomsday: Give me proof that the doctors I cited are “getting rich” by reporting that autism is very rare
    among unvaccinated.
    But CDC and Vaccine Industry ARE making BILLIONS $$$ EVERY YEAR from Vaccines! Are you aware
    that the CDC OWNS 50 VACCINE PATENTS? That is called a CONFLICT OF INTEREST & ANTI SCIENCE!
    Are you aware that HALF of all NEW DRUGS are withdrawn because they cause so much Death and Injury?
    How is that possible if all Drugs are “safety tested” by Pharmaceutical Industry and are approved by FDA???
    As for “normal doctors” – any doctor who refuses to give vaccines because he/she recognizes that the risks outweigh the benefits LOSE THEIR LICENSE! Doctors support vaccines because THEY ARE COERCED!

    #1631624

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    For every doctor who says vaccines are dangerous, you can also find at least one that says ADHD is not a disease.

    #1631625

    2scents
    Participant

    doomsday,

    Regarding Thimerosal, This has been discussed earlier, yet might have been to scientific for you to comprehend so here is the simple version.

    Thimerosal was used as a preservative in multi-dose vials, there are multiple well-published studies that clearly state that thimerosal safe, thimerosal is also used in cosmetics and skin products.

    Yet after the FDA began pushing for reducing any mercury due to potential safety concerns, thimerosal was removed from vaccines and the MMR shots are no longer multi-dose vials. Despite the studies indicating that thimerosal was safe, the CDC decided that it will accommodate the notion of reducing mercury and remove it from the MMR vaccine.

    Also, has there been any change in any of the supposed disorders you suppose were caused by thimerosal since its removal? the answer is no, so why still hold on to this?

    With regards to Vioxx, the FDA had a concern to its safety with regards to it elevating patients blood pressure, the controversy was about Vioxx withholding the risks in its marketing and patients not being advised of the risks, either case this discussion is not about Vioxx, it is about vaccines and autism.

    the MMR shot has been around longer than 5 years, has been administered millions of times, extensively tested and is considered safe.

    #1631635

    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    doomsday – you are very gullible. Having treated many individuals with Guillian-Barre Syndrome it is not like polio at all beyond the surface. Certainly not in terms of treatment and recovery. FAKE NEWS

    #1631631

    doomsday
    Participant

    Millhouse says I am lying when I say that Amish don’t vaccinate and autism is extremely rare among Amish.
    Millhouse gave two links to prove his point.

    Links removed here too

    In 2005, an article that Amish don’t vaccinate and don’t get autism was published.
    Following that article, the CDC began a very aggressive campaign to vaccinate the Amish, including going
    door to door and scaring the Amish into vaccinating. The Amish were scared to vaccinate and only agreed to
    ONE vaccine! And after the Amish started vaccinating,, voila, NOW the Amish also have autism – but at a much
    lower rate!
    Millhouse – here is an excerpt from the article YOU CITED and Gave the Link:
    “A 2011 study published in the journal Pediatrics surveyed 1,000 Amish parents about their vaccination habits. Of the 359 people who responded:
    68% stated that all of their children had received at least 1 immunization”
    It is safe to assume that the 641 Amish who did NOT respond, do not vaccinate, so the vaccination rate of
    Amish is less then 68%. And the ones who did vaccinate gave ONE immunization, Not the 74 doses given to
    most children.
    “Preliminary data have identified the presence of ASD in the Amish community at a rate of approximately 1 in 271 children ” So the AMISH VACCINATE LESS, AND HAVE LESS AUTISM! The rate of autism in general population is 1:59.
    So Millhouse, the article YOU CITED indicates LESS VACCINATION = LESS AUTISM!
    68% stated that all of their children had received at least 1 immunization

    #1631649

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    Amish society isn’t more neurologically homogeneous, the differences just don’t matter as much due to their lifestyle.

    #1631650

    doomsday
    Participant

    Doing my best: According to the CDC, 1 in a thousand measles cases die. if there were no vaccines everyone would have gotten the measles. This means that 41,000 of those 41 million would have died. so we have the option of either 10,000 vaccine injuries vs. 41,000 deaths.
    Which do you think is worse? If you do not PROVE this reasoning wrong, you have lost the debate.

    Doomsday: CDC is LYING when it says 1:1,000 die of measles and I will prove it to you. Before measles vaccine was licensed in 1963, the CDC admits there was massive underreporting of measles cases and that “because virtually all children acquired measles, the number of measles cases probably approached 3.5 million per year . Yet the number of DEATHS from measles was only 400-500 per year. If the Death rate from Measles
    were 1:1,000 as CDC claims, there would have been 3,500 deaths, NOT 400-500 deaths CDC itself says occurred.
    I WON THE DEBATE UNLESS YOU CAN PROVE THAT CDC DIDN’T LIE WHEN IT SAYS 1:1,000 DIE OF MEASLES!

    #1631707

    2scents
    Participant

    Doomsday,

    A. Regarding Jonas Salk, interesting stuff, can you provide this in full context? are you referring about the 11 cases of the tainted batch? Jonas Salk for sure never questioned the safety of polio vaccine or its effectiveness as a vaccine, he played a huge part in eradicating polio.

    B. From where are you taking the notion that GBS is the same as polio?
    – Polio, viral. GBS, not a virus.
    – Polio is contagious, GBS not.
    – Polio mainly affected children, GBS mainly adults.
    Is it because both on the surface have partial paralysis? Or is it because the anti-vaccine website you use as the source said so?

    C. You are making up a whole bunch of stuff, each and everything you state has been shown to be the opposite of the truth.
    I hope you that no one blames most health care providers that just are not familiar with these made up facts and choose to rely on real science and data.

    Alternative people choose an alternative path, that is their choice but do not blame the mainstream to stick to the real facts.

    #1631706

    doomsday
    Participant

    2SCENTS: Far lower than the 1 in 1000 encephalitis cases seen from the wild measles virus.
    THAT IS WRONG, PER THE CDC!
    From CDC Website: https://www.cdc.gov/measles/about/history.html
    “In the decade before 1963 when a vaccine became available, nearly all children got measles by the time they were 15 years of age. It is estimated 3 to 4 million people in the United States were infected each year. Also each year, among reported cases, an estimated 400 to 500 people died, 48,000 were hospitalized, and 1,000 suffered encephalitis (swelling of the brain) from measles.”
    2scents, if 1:1000 got encephalitis from wild measles there would have been 3,000 – 4,000 measles encephalitis a year but per CDC there was only 1,000 cases of encephalitis. STOP SPREADING DISINFORMATION PLEASE!
    The encephalitis from wild measles must have been very mild because autism was 1:10,000 but today
    autism is 1:59. The vaccine court compensated children who got encephalitis following vaccines. All those
    children who got encephalitis following vaccines are severely autistic but children did not become severely autistic from wild measles!

    #1631718

    doomsday
    Participant

    Health: “Aseptic meningitis may be caused by viruses, bacteria, fungi, parasites, drugs, systemic diseases, and miscellaneous other conditions.
    Doomsday:; You did not refute that what is called “Aseptic Meningitis” USED TO BE CALLED POLIO before
    the Polio Vaccine was introduced in 1954. YOU DID NOT REFUTE ANYTHING! You just listed possible causes
    of POLIO that is now RENAMED Aseptic Meningitis! And ONE of those possible causes of Aseptic Meningitis / Polio
    is vaccines – as it is listed as an ADVERSE EVENT of Polio Vaccines! And Dr. Salk INVENTOR OF POLIO VACCINE admitted that most cases of Polio in US is caused by the Polio Vaccine!

    #1631729

    doomsday
    Participant

    Winnie the Pooh: Ahh, nostalgia for the good old days when mothers buried their kids.

    Doomsday: 92.3% OF THE MORTALITY RATE DECLINE HAPPENED BETWEEN 1900 AND 1950,
    BEFORE MOST VACCINES AND ANTIBIOTICS EXISTED!
    It is a LIE that Vaccines and Antibiotics were responsible for the drop in disease that happened BEFORE VACCINES WERE INVENTED! Improvements in CLEAN WATER, Sanitation (toilets), Better Nutrition, Less Overcrowding are most likely reason for drop in mortality rate.

    This was admitted to by TOP DOCTORS and RESEARCHERS including:
    Dr. Edward Kass of Harvard, PRESIDENT OF INFECTIOUS DISEASES SOCIETY OF AMERICA in 1970 and the
    1977 McKinlay’s Study titled “The Questionable Contribution of Medical Measures to the Decline of Mortality in the United States in the Twentieth Century.”

    #1631740

    doomsday
    Participant

    In 1977, Jonas Salk, the creator of the polio vaccine, testified before a Senate subcommittee that “all polio outbreaks since 1961 were caused by the oral polio vaccine.”

    #1631751

    Meno
    Participant

    In 1977, Jonas Salk, the creator of the polio vaccine, testified before a Senate subcommittee that “all polio outbreaks since 1961 were caused by the oral polio vaccine.”

    You know a little while ago I noticed something interesting:

    Whenever I find something that I had misplaced, I find it in the last place I look.

    #1631746

    doomsday
    Participant

    2scents: Also, has there been any change in any of the supposed disorders you suppose were caused by thimerosal since its removal? the answer is no, so why still hold on to this?

    Doomsday: I will answer this AGAIN. After is was publicized that the amount of mercury in childhood vaccines exceeded the safety limit of the EPA, CDC said they would remove Thimerosal – BUT THEY DID NOT!
    1. Same time as all thimerosal containing vaccines were finished, CDC began recommending THIMEROSAL CONTAINING (25 mcg)! FLU SHOTS to Pregnant (!) Women and Babies/Children.
    2. Vaccines labeled “thimerosal free” can actually contain up to 1 mcg of Thimerosal. FDA doesn’t allow
    products labeled “gluten free” to contain “trace amounts” of gluten but LAWS WERE CHANGED FOR VACCINE INDUSTRY!
    3. Number of Vaccines were INCREASED – which also increased amount of other neurotoxins like aluminum.
    AND THAT IS WHY AUTISM DID NOT DECREASE AFTER THIMEROSAL WAS “REMOVED”. IT WAS NOT REMOVED IT WAS SHUFFLED AROUND (Flu Vaccines) and OTHER TOXINS LIKE ALUMINUM WERE INCREASED!

    #1631769

    Logical mom
    Participant

    Doomsday- your information is all correct. But save yourself the stress of this debate. It’ll get nowhere. Sometimes in person u can actually show someone the truth, but the rest of this group has never read “dissolving illusions” or “millers review of critical vaccine studies” so they really dont know what the actual states and what the credentials are of the Drs writing these things. Stress stress stress. Not worth it. Just log out

    #1631775

    2scents
    Participant

    Doomsday,

    This is not about winning, unless your out to win. I am out to sort truth from fiction. My position is that facts matter not positions.

    Regarding tye 1:1000 for encephalitis i was quoting the Merck insert, just showing you that there is no asmission of autism. Unlike you stated.

    Does this make sense?

    Another point, please do not just post anything without a sourxe. Even if you repeat it multiple times, even if your anti vaccine website writes it in bold, its still not fact.

    #1631787

    Health
    Participant

    Doomsday -“You did not refute that what is called “Aseptic Meningitis” USED TO BE CALLED POLIO before the Polio Vaccine was introduced in 1954. YOU DID NOT REFUTE ANYTHING! You just listed possible causes of POLIO that is now RENAMED Aseptic Meningitis”

    For the ones who had all the diseases that was almost eradicated:

    From Webster’s nowadays:
    Polio -“an infectious disease especially of young children that is caused by the poliovirus”
    This disease is still called Polio.

    From Medscape:
    “Aseptic meningitis may be caused by viruses, bacteria, fungi, parasites, drugs, systemic diseases, and miscellaneous other conditions.
    Viral causes include the following:
    Enteroviruses – coxsackievirus, echovirus, POLIOVIRUS, etc.”

    Do you see that Polio is just one cause of Aseptic meningitis?!?

    I understand why the Truth bothers you so much because once it gets out – you’ll have to look for a real job, Not just selling Snake Oil!

    #1631801

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    Why do you believe that autism is “brain damage”? And what do you think is the motive behind the huge conspiracy?

    #1632025

    doomsday
    Participant

    2SCENTS: Regarding the 1:1000 for encephalitis i was quoting the Merck insert, just showing you that there is no admission of autism. Unlike you stated.

    Doomsday: Merck Vaccine Insert acknowledges that Vaccine can cause Encephalitis. Vaccine Court compensates children for getting encephalitis following vaccination. These children with encephalitis all have AUTISM. IF VACCINES CAN CAUSE ENCEPHALITIS, AND ENCEPHALITIS CAN CAUSE AUTISM, THAT MEANS THAT VACCINES CAN CAUSE AUTISM!
    If A can cause B and B can cause C, then A can cause C (high school logic/math)
    SO DO YOU ADMIT THAT VACCINES CAN CAUSE AUTISM?

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