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  • #1633257
    Yserbius123
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    @doomsday Myself and several other people have posted numerous refutations to the allegation that there are research papers “proving” the link between vaccination and autism. Futhermore, I did address your claim of fraudulent CDC studies.

    #1633270
    Meno
    Participant

    Doomsday,

    Wait wait wait. Let me get this straight.

    -1% of adverse effects are reported
    -168 Deaths are reported
    -That means in reality there are 16,800 deaths?

    That’s extremely faulty logic. It would be reasonable to assume that a much higher percentage of severe adverse effects are reported than mild adverse effects.

    So now that I’ve caught you repeatedly pushing a faulty argument it must be that YOU ARE A LIAR!!!

    THAT MEANS EVERYTHING YOU HAVE EVER SAID MUST BE A LIE!!!

    GOTCHA!!!

    (Mods – sorry for yelling)

    #1633292
    benignuman
    Participant

    Doomsday,

    You wrote: “This is more proof that you Lie. I answered you that per the Department Of Health and Human Resourcesfewer then 1% of all vaccine adverse advents are reported. Therefore there are over 3 Million Vaccine Injuries per year and 1,680 Vaccine Deaths. Yet you still repeat the Lie that serious injury from vaccines is rare. Shame!”

    I see I got no apology for the false accusation of lying. Instead I got a doubling down where I was accused of lying on the basis of your faulty logic that I had already explained.

    I looked up the 2010 report you cited. It was talking about doctors reporting adverse events, however minor, on the VAERS (vaccine adverse event reporting system) and was urging doctors to use to properly report adverse events. That report is not talking about injury or death claims against the vaccine compensation board. And it never claims that only 1% of serious injury or death cases are reported by doctors. Your extrapolation is completely unwarranted.

    If there is dishonesty in this conversation it isn’t coming from me.

    #1633301
    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    Doomsday, how do you trust doctors to diagnose people with autism if you don’t trust vaccines?

    #1633305
    benignuman
    Participant

    Doomsday, you wrote:
    “1.When children are injured or killed after vaccination, the doctors lie and say that it was a “coincidence”
    2. Most parents never heard of Vaccine Court.
    3. There statute of limitations is much shorter then in real court so by that even if parents learn about
    vaccine court it is too late and Vaccine Court refuses to hear their claim.
    4. Parents have to pay thousands out of pocket and it can take up to 10 years for their case to finished.
    This is too time consuming, stressful and expensive for many parents.”

    First you have made these assertions without evidence. You don’t know these things you are just asserting them to explain away the contrary evidence to your position.

    Second, when a child dies, lawyers are contacted and lawyers certainly know about the vaccine compensation program. Most lawyers take cases like these on contingency so the parents don’t have to pay anything more than the filing out of pocket. Typically vaccine compensation board cases, on average, are resolved in shorter time periods than conventional tort cases. The statute of limitations isn’t signficantly shorter than other torts but it is stricter in that the discovery rule does not apply.

    It is certainly possible that some potential claims do not get brought but it is also the case that some claims brought (like in any litigation) are not legitimate. Claims against the vaccine compensation board are our best way to track severe vaccine injuries because it is interest of the claimants to find a link between the injury and the vaccine.

    As for your argument about autism frequency, I already explained why that correlation is fallacious. Similar arguments hold for ADHD and learning disabilities.

    #1633309
    Some Common Sense
    Participant

    doomsday,
    Very simple for anyone with a basic science background. All drugs are based on a bell curve within two and three standard deviations. There will be always people to the right or left extreme. On the basis of cost benefit and risk analysis, human society and the far far majority of people are best served by medical profession. If a specific individual is know to be very sensitive to a specific drug, they will modify the treatment plan for such as highly unusual case. All based on fundamental science and not belief.

    #1633523
    doomsday
    Participant

    Meno: 1% of adverse effects are reported, -168 Deaths are reported, -That means in reality there are 16,800 deaths?
    That’s extremely faulty logic. It would be reasonable to assume that a much higher percentage of severe adverse effects are reported than mild adverse effects.
    So now that I’ve caught you repeatedly pushing a faulty argument it must be that YOU ARE A LIAR!!!
    THAT MEANS EVERYTHING YOU HAVE EVER SAID MUST BE A LIE!!!

    If the Department of Health and Human Resources says that fewer then 1% of adverse events, then it is correct logic to say that 168 reported deaths = 16,800 actual deaths.
    You say that a serious event like a death is more likely to be reported. However there are numerous accounts of parents whose child died and the doctors insist that the death was not caused by vaccines but was
    a “coincidence”. These doctors are not reporting these deaths to VAERS because they deny it could have
    been a reaction to the vaccine. Therefore, only a fraction of deaths following vaccines are reported.

    #1633540
    2scents
    Participant

    Dooms,

    “However there are numerous accounts of parents whose child died and the doctors insist that the death was not caused by vaccines but was
    a “coincidence”. These doctors are not reporting these deaths to VAERS ”

    And you know this as fact, or theory?

    #1633551
    doomsday
    Participant

    Yserbius: I did address your claim of fraudulent CDC studies.
    No, you did not. You did not refer to the correct study. It is the Danish Thimerosal-Autism Study published in Pediatric.
    Also, you still did not answer me: What was the question that I asked you to answer – three times???
    If you do not tell me the Question I asked you, it is proof that you lied!

    #1633527
    doomsday
    Participant

    Yserbius, you are responding to the wrong study. The Fraudulent Study I am referring to is called
    “Danish Thimerosal-Autism Study” and it was published in Pediatrics.

    #1633529
    Doing my best
    Participant

    Doomsday,
    You keep saying that vaccines cause autism to rise. So then why haven’t autism rates stopped rising 20 years ago?\

    And the study I brought:
    FROM Johns Hopkins analysis
    “While many different combinations of genetic traits can cause autism, brains affected by autism share a pattern of ramped-up immune responses and related inflammation, an analysis of data from autopsied human brains reveals.

    The study, a collaborative effort between Johns Hopkins and the University of Alabama at Birmingham, included data from 72 autism and control brains. It was published online last week in the journal Nature Communications.

    “There are many different ways of getting autism, but we found that they all have the same downstream EFFECT,” says Dan Arking, an associate professor in the McKusick-Nathans Institute for Genetic Medicine at the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine. “What we don’t know is whether this immune response is making things better in the short term and worse in the long term.””

    If you read carefully, as seen in this sentence “brains affected by autism share a pattern of ramped-up immune responses and related inflammation.” this study by an extremely respected orginization says that autism causes brain swelling and not the other way around as Doomsday tried to claim.
    This was a clear lie on Doomsdays part.

    #1633531
    doomsday
    Participant

    2scents: Conclusions and Relevance: In this large sample of privately insured children with older siblings, receipt of the MMR vaccine was not associated with increased risk of ASD, regardless of whether older siblings had ASD. These findings indicate no harmful association between MMR vaccine receipt and ASD even among children already at higher risk for ASD.
    The study says the autism rate was similar whether or not the younger sibling got the MMR vaccine.
    But the report did not say that the younger siblings who did not get the MMR vaccine and developed Autism
    were UnVaccinated. So the study was just comparing Vaccinated children who got theMMR to Vaccinated Children who didn’t get MMR. All vaccines pose an Autism Risk, not just the MMR.

    #1633538
    anon1m0us
    Participant

    I am PRO Polio and Measels! You vaxxers never stopped to analyze the benefits of not vaxing. It eliminates the stupid and dumb people from propagating their dumb genetics to the future generations. This is a golden opportunity to ensure our future generations will be smart, intelligent, and talmia chachomim.

    #1633541
    Vaccinator
    Participant

    I’ve come to the conclusion that Dooms is actually a religious missionary. She uses the same tactics of saying the same nonsense over and over and over again in the hopes that somebody will believe it (or more likely trying to convince herself!)! I read her posts because I find them so amusing. As someone who has been involved in science my whole life it’s entertaining to see how facts, data, and statistics can be so badly botched up. I’ve recommended in previous posts that she take a basic science or statistics course but she doesn’t have the time because she spends all her time writing gibberish. I enjoy hearing her try to discredit the Danish study – the study was very well-done and had international experts review it. For some reason, she thinks I’m going to
    Listen to her instead of credible knowledgeable scientists. HaHa! Again, she is very entertaining. What is NOT entertaining is seeing the news about the 10 year old unvaccinated boy who got encephalitis in Emanuel and is likely to be brain damaged as a result of this common complication of measles which vaccines prevent. I hope those parents are locked up and their children taken away from them for this abuse. Somehow, these anti-vaxxers seem to think that they have the right to do whatever they want with their children-obviously that is not the case either according to Halacha or secular law. Parents who abuse their children have them taken away. Some states (May there be many more) have convicted non-vaccinating parents for medical neglect in the child welfare system. We all need to write to our congressmen to implore them to strengthen the laws against parents who abuse their children in this way to ensure that all children are vaccinated and do away with religious exemptions (given that anti-vaxxers in our community are lying and calling their position “religious,” when we all know it has nothing to do with religion- what a chillul Hashem !) leaving only PROVEN VERIFIED medical reasons to allow for exemption from vaccination. I would hate to see all these poor abused unvaccinated children suffer by being isolated from peers and home-schooled but at least that would keep them from spreading disease in our community.

    #1633542
    doomsday
    Participant

    Benign: I looked up the 2010 report you cited. It was talking about doctors reporting adverse events, however minor, on the VAERS (vaccine adverse event reporting system) and was urging doctors to use to properly report adverse events. That report is not talking about injury or death claims against the vaccine compensation board. And it never claims that only 1% of serious injury or death cases are reported by doctors. Your extrapolation is completely unwarranted. If there is dishonesty in this conversation it isn’t coming from me.

    If there is dishonesty it is coming from you! I read through the report twice. Please tell me the page number where it urged doctors to report adverse events however minor! I never said the report was about injury or death claims, so why are you implying that I did? And the report explicitly says that even serious events ,which means death or permanent injury, are only reported 1-13% so you are a Big Liar!!!
    Here is the direct quote from the report, Page 6:
    Adverse events from drugs and vaccines are common, but underreported. Although 25% of ambulatory patients experience an adverse drug event, less than 0.3% of all adverse drug events and 1-13% of serious events are reported to the Food and Drug Administration (FDA).
    Likewise, fewer than 1% of vaccine adverse events are reported.

    So Benignuman, are you going to admit that you Lied???

    #1633547
    Yserbius123
    Participant

    @doomsday Still waiting on an apology when you called me a liar and an explanation for your misunderstanding of thimerisol.

    #1633556
    doomsday
    Participant

    Health: regarding why CDC won’t do a Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed study:
    “All they have to do is get the Anti-vaxxers to volunteer to be part of the study. It’s unethical to force people who want the vax to be part of the study. ”
    We don’t need any vaxxed people to be part of the study. We already know that the autism rate in the
    general population is 1:59. So all we need to do is study what is the Autism Rate among the Unvaxxed.
    So your answer is nonsense! The reason the CDC refuses to do a Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed study is because
    the CDC knows it will prove that Vaccines cause Autism and many other diseases!

    #1633558
    Vaccinator
    Participant

    Hey, Dooms! So you don’t trust CDC or HHS? Do you trust anybody/anything – other than yourself of course? I suspect not. Too bad. It’s already clear that you don’t trust Halacha or our Gedolim since every gadol that has come out publicly has said vaccines are mandatory. Yes, I know that you will say that you have the worlds greatest gadol locked up in a closet telling you not to vaccinate. Are you surprised I don’t believe you? 🙂 🙂 🙂

    #1633578
    doomsday
    Participant

    “It is simply no longer possible to believe much of the clinical research that is published, or to rely on the judgment of trusted physicians or authoritative medical guidelines. I take no pleasure in this conclusion, which I reached slowly and reluctantly over my two decades as an editor of The New England Journal of Medicine.”
    This is the statement of the Editor of the Most Respected Medical Journal in the Country! This proves that there isan epidemic of fraudulent medical studies!
    It is very easy to create a study that gets the results the person who is paying for the study wants. Of course all the studies paid for by the CDC say Vaccines don’t cause Autism. But there are 150 studies not paid for by CDC that do show a link between Vaccines and Autism!
    In the history of the world, there was Never a study that reached a conclusion that harmed the company paying for the study! Scientists are not Holy Men. They can be just as corrupt as the government or corporation that hires them!
    I have posted the Fraud committed by the CDC Danish Study and no ProVaxxer has been able to refute that CDC committed Fraud to deny the link between Autism and Vaccines!

    #1633587
    doomsday
    Participant

    Doingmybest: If you read carefully, as seen in this sentence “brains affected by autism share a pattern of ramped-up immune responses and related inflammation.” this study by an extremely respected orginization says that autism causes brain swelling and not the other way around as Doomsday tried to claim.
    This was a clear lie on Doomsdays part.

    I know you are doing your best, but you really need to learn reading comprehension. The sentence
    ““brains affected by autism share a pattern of ramped-up immune responses and related inflammation.”
    means that Autistic children have brain inflamation. It does not mean that autism caused the brain inflammation!
    Many children won awards in Vaccine Court because they developed Encephalitis (brain inflammation) after Vaccination. And the Brain Inflammation caused these children to become Autistic. So FIRST comes the Brain Inflammation and THEN comes the Autism!
    Please apologize for calling me a Liar, because you lack Reading Comprehension!

    #1633596
    truthishidden
    Participant

    To Doing my best
    Please explain how they came to the conclusion that autism causes brain swelling and not the other way around?
    As I see it people with autism have brain swelling, how can they tell which came first?

    #1633597
    doomsday
    Participant

    Doingmybest: If you read carefully, as seen in this sentence “brains affected by autism share a pattern of ramped-up immune responses and related inflammation.” this study by an extremely respected orginization says that autism causes brain swelling and not the other way around as Doomsday tried to claim. This was a clear lie on Doomsdays part.
    No, it was NOT a Lie on my part but a lack of Reading Comprehension on Your part! The sentence “brains affected by autism share a pattern of ramped-up immune responses and related inflammation.” means that Children with Autism Have Brain Inflammation. It does Notmean that Autism Causedthe Brain Inflammation.
    Vaccine Court has given awards to Children who got Encephalitis (Brain Inflammation) after getting Vaccinated. The EncephalitisCaused the Autism. The Autism did NOT cause the Brain Inflammation!
    Doingmybest, you owe me an Apology for calling me a Liar because you lack Reading Comprehension!

    #1633599
    doomsday
    Participant

    2Scents: Yes, I know for a Fact that doctors are rarely reporting deaths from Vaccines to VAERS because
    the Depart of Health and Human Services said so in their report:
    “Adverse events from drugs and vaccines are common, but underreported. Although 25% of ambulatory patients experience an adverse drug event, less than 0.3% of all adverse drug events and 1-13% of serious events are reported to the Food and Drug Administration (FDA). Likewise, fewer than 1% of vaccine adverse events are reported.”

    #1633602
    doomsday
    Participant

    Yserbius: Still waiting on an apology when you called me a liar.
    At 1 pm today I replied to you:
    Yserbius: I did not lie….. nor did I refuse to answer your question.
    Doomsday: Please answer me: What was the question I asked you three times?
    If you do not respond – that is proof that you are lying!

    It is now 1 am and you still did not respond. So that is proof that you are a Liar!
    If you want to prove you are Not a Liar, then all you have to do is answer this:
    What was the question I asked you three times?

    #1633611
    doomsday
    Participant

    Meno: 1% of adverse effects are reported, -168 Deaths are reported, -That means in reality there are 16,800 deaths? That’s extremely faulty logic. It would be reasonable to assume that a much higher percentage of severe adverse effects are reported than mild adverse effects.
    Here is the quote from the Department of Health and Human Resources:
    Adverse events from drugs and vaccines are common, but underreported. Although 25% of ambulatory patients experience an adverse drug event, less than 0.3% of all adverse drug events and 1-13% of serious events are reported to the Food and Drug Administration (FDA). Likewise, fewer than 1% of vaccine adverse events are reported.
    Per the Department of Health, even SERIOUS events (including death) are only reported 1-13% of the time!
    So, are you going to admit you were wrong, Meno?

    #1633625
    doomsday
    Participant

    “In June 2009, an American senate investigation revealed that drug companies, including those that make drugs he advocates for childhood bipolar disorder, had paid Biederman $1.6 million in “consulting” and “speaking” fees between 2000 and 2007”.
    Dr. Joseph Biederman was a researcher who made Fraudulent Studies for Pharmaceutical Companies.
    In addition to being paid the stand fee as a researcher, the Pharmaceutical Companies also paid
    Biederman $1.6 MILLION in “consulting” and “speaking” fees. In other words Biederman got a $1.6 Million
    BRIBE from Pharmaceutical Companies as a reward for making Fraudulent Studies for them!

    We live in a very corrupt world and anyone who has blind trust in government or corporations is a fool!

    #1633627
    doomsday
    Participant

    Truthishidden: ITo Doing my best:
    Please explain how they came to the conclusion that autism causes brain swelling and not the other way around?
    As I see it people with autism have brain swelling, how can they tell which came first?

    Children with autism develop encephalitis (Brain Swelling) AFTER vaccination and the Brain Swelling causes
    Autism. Doing My Best doesn’t have Reading Comprehension. S/he misinterpreted this sentence:
    “brains affected by autism share a pattern of ramped-up immune responses and related inflammation.”
    to mean that Autism Causes Brain Inflamation, when it is the other way around!
    All that sentence means is that People with Autism have Brain Inflammation.

    #1633645
    truthishidden
    Participant

    In addition, when doing a vaxxed vs. unvaxxed study, please include rates comparing:
    Mental illness
    infertility

    #1633670
    2scents
    Participant

    In case no one realized, dooms makes a statement, because dooms stated so, it becomes fact. Which is the bases of the argument.

    Accuses everyone of lying, but dismisses any response that actually explains why not only is it not a lie, but a complete miss understanding (probably deliberately) of what is actually the truth.

    #1633675
    Vaccinator
    Participant

    Dooms: Lets put to rest one more of your numerous unscientific ideas explaining once again why you know nothing about science or research. No one will do a vaccinated vs unvaccinated study because it is universally considered to be unethical to NOT vaccinate in this day and age since vaccination has been proven to be safe and saves lives and no study is allowed to be done in situations where a safe effective treatment exists. So, no IRB (do you know what that even is?) would approve such a study to be done. And, someone said that well, just use unvaxx kids for the unvaccinated arm (do you even know what abstudy arm is?). That would violate the scientific principle of blinding in a study (do you even know what that means?) as it would introduce study bias (do you know what that is?). And, although bias potential doesn’t need to be demonstrated as it just violates every principle of scientific research but I’ll tell you how bias would be introduced: when autism occurs in an unvacccinated child, which it will since it occurs in the unvaccinated in exactly the same percentages as in vaccinated (since there is no connection between vaccination and autism), anti-vaxxers would not allow the parents to let the child be examined or to report their observations (and would give death threats to any parent who wanted to take their child for autism treatment. So, it’s not an issue of not wanting to do this study-this study CAN’T be done because it wouldn’t be a valid study and would never be approved since vaccination is now standard of care (do you know what that means?) and no study can violate standard of care. So now that I’ve demonstrated once again that you know nothing about science or research, it’s time for you to give it up and get your kids vaccinated. It would be good anyway for you to spend some time with them as they will likely
    Be developing autism since their mother is spending no time with them and they’re getting no stimulation or parenting since she’s too busy writing unscientific nonsense.

    #1633662
    truthishidden
    Participant

    The below study found that a diet including regular consumption of emulsifiers experienced exacerbated tumor development and chronic low-level inflammation. This chronic inflammation was also associated with inflammatory bowel diseases like Crohn’s and is observed in colorectal cancers.

    American Association for Cancer Research
    DOI: 10.1158/0008-5472.CAN-16-1359

    Emulsifiers, like polysorbate 80 are in a number of vaccines.

    #1633665
    truthishidden
    Participant

    Science Lab Material Data Sheet re: Polysorbate 80, Section 3 of this report lists the potential chronic health effects. Carcinogenic, mutagenic, and teratogenic effects as well as the developmental toxicity are all “unavailable.”
    Section 11 states May cause adverse reproductive effects based on animal test data. No human data found. May cause cancer based on animal
    test data. No human data found. May affect genetic material (mutagenic)

    And we’re relying on this that our vaccines are safe?

    #1633695
    Meno
    Participant

    doomsday,
    So, are you going to admit you were wrong, Meno?

    Seriously? Your quote mentions nothing about death (you added that yourself), nor does it mention anything about serious vaccine adverse events.

    So you’re just lying again.

    (I just want to make it clear, I don’t actually think you’re lying. I think you just have a problem with understanding scientific studies, and perhaps a problem with reading comprehension as well. My “lying” comments are just to point out how absurd it is that you are accusing everyone else of lying. There are decent people in this world. Not everyone is out to get you.)

    #1633701
    2scents
    Participant

    Thruth,

    Thanks for posting the article, i hope that people will learn from this to lead a healthier life and avoid using soaps and ice creams on a regular basis as it can cause IBD which can possibly lead to cancer.

    As is noted in the study, regular diet of emulsifiers increases the risks, now what point are you trying to prove?

    No one said that preservatives are healthy, which is why people should avoid regular diets of preservatives.

    Does this mean that being exposed once to a preservative increases the risk, not at all.

    In fact, all the preservatives that are found in most food that we consume on a regular basis, contain preservatives and can be a good reason to the increase health problems.

    So many foods, cosmetics and creams contain emulsifiers, some are even called ‘natural’.

    #1633708
    benignuman
    Participant

    Doomsday,
    You seem intent on finding “lies” among those that disagree with you, so much so that you seem to simultaneously read some things very narrowly and other things very broadly. So I am going to be as clear as possible and will make my points in numbered list that you can respond to.
    1. I said that the purpose of the report was to urge doctors to properly report adverse events on VAERS. Here is the language from the report: “The goal of this project is to improve the quality of vaccination programs by improving the quality of physician adverse vaccine event detection and reporting to the national Vaccine
    Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS).”
    2. That this included all events, even minor ones, is demonstrated throughout the report in descriptions of their protocol and by the method that they used to detect adverse events. “We initially
    prepared a draft document describing the elements, algorithms, interval of interest after
    vaccination, and actions for broad classes of post-vaccination events, including those to be
    reported immediately without delay (such as acute anaphylactic reaction following vaccination),
    those never to be reported (such as routine check-ups following vaccination) and those to be
    reported at the discretion and with additional information from the attending physician through a
    feedback mechanism.” And “Every patient receiving a vaccine was automatically identified, and for the next 30 days, their health care diagnostic codes, laboratory tests, and medication prescriptions are evaluated for values suggestive of an adverse vaccine event. When a possible adverse event was detected, it was
    recorded, and the appropriate clinician was to be notified electronically.” So this report was to include every post-vaccine medical event requiring a doctors visit (other than routine check-up), laboratory test, or prescription.
    3. The sentence you highlight that says “1-13% of serious events are reported to the FDA” is referring to adverse events caused by drugs, not vaccines. It is the next sentence, which does not say “serious events” that is referring to vaccines.
    4. Most importantly, this entire report and the percentages therein, are discussing the self-reporting of doctors of adverse events. The doctors have no personal incentive to report an adverse event. This report says NOTHING about claims brought by patients and their families! (or any other method of evaluating vaccine side effects) You are mixing apples and oranges.
    5. The fact remains that a tiny percentage of vaccine patients or their families ever even bring claims for vaccine injuries despite the strong financial and emotional incentive to do so. Your attempt to conflate poor physician reporting with patient claims is without basis in the report you keep on citing.
    6. Therefore, we are left with the fact that vaccine injuries serious enough for patients or their families to bring claims are very, very rare. Much rarer than injury caused by the disease that the vaccines prevent.

    Doomsday, I don’t think you are deliberately lying or even being deliberately misleading. I think you have convinced yourself of the righteousness of your position. Unfortunately, in your mind that means that everyone that disagrees with you must be a lier or a bad person. We aren’t liers, we aren’t bad people. We are simply following the mainstream medical opinion and, at least in my case, looking at the claims data and coming to basic conclusions on the likelihood of serious or permanent injury from the vaccine vs. from the disease.

    #1633709
    Vaccinator
    Participant

    Dooms: since you’re obviously not taking my advice to go get educated a bit in science, let me give you a list of terms that you can look up online and at least become slightly educated in science and research which may lead you to stop posting stuff that has no scientific validity. If you at least know what these mean, you may begin to understand research.
    Placebo-controlled
    Double blind
    Statistically significant
    IRB (institutional review board)
    Spurious correlation
    Study arm
    Association vs causality
    Results validity
    Observational study
    Prospective study
    Randomization
    Ethics board
    Peer review
    Epidemiology
    Methods
    Disclosures
    That’ll get you started. Once you have a basic understanding of these terms (which your posts to date have shown that you don’t as of now), get back to me and I’ll give you the next list to work on. We’ll get you educated yet! Maybe then you’ll come to your senses.

    #1633811
    Some Common Sense
    Participant

    Doomsday,
    do you trust anyone other than yourself?
    If not, we live in different worlds.

    #1633794
    Milhouse
    Participant

    Vaccinator: “Yep, you heard it here first: AVOCADOS CAUSE AUTISM!! ”

    Also green jelly beans. (If you don’t get the reference, search for “xkcd” and “significant”)

    #1633793
    Some Common Sense
    Participant

    Doomsday,
    I assume you know that all drugs are based on a bell curve with the acceptance of one in a million risk
    I assume you know that environmental releases in your air, water, soil, food etc are based on the acceptance of one in a million cancer risk over seventy years.
    do you trust or do you only follow yourself?

    #1634514
    Some Common Sense
    Participant

    Doomsday,
    Do you trust anyone other than yourself?

    #1634513
    Health
    Participant

    Doomsday -“We don’t need any vaxxed people to be part of the study. We already know that the autism rate in the general population is 1:59. So all we need to do is study what is the Autism Rate among the Unvaxxed.
    So your answer is nonsense! The reason the CDC refuses to do a Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed study is because
    the CDC knows it will prove that Vaccines cause Autism and many other diseases!”

    You obviously can’t follow Simple Logic!
    The Autism rate in the general public would include vaxxed & unvaxxed.

    So it’s No problem to do a vaxxed vs. unvaxxed study:
    “All they have to do is get the Anti-vaxxers to volunteer to be part of the study. It’s unethical to force people who want the vax to be part of the study. ”

    #1634521
    doomsday
    Participant

    Proof that the ProVaxxers on this Thread are Lying to Cover Up Dangers of Vaccines:

    One of the Biggest Lies of CDC and ProVaxxers is that Injury or Death from Vaccines is extremely rare. But the Department of Health, which includes the CDC, wrote in a Report titled Electronic Support for Public Health–Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System” which is online. Pg. 6 says:

    Adverse events from drugs and vaccines are common, but underreported. Although 25% of ambulatory patients experience an adverse drug event, less than 0.3% of all adverse drug events and 1-13% of serious events are reported to the Food and Drug Administration (FDA). Likewise, fewer than 1% of vaccine adverse events are reported.

    The CDC says that 30,000 vaccine adverse events are reported per year. This includes 168 DEATHS. But Dept. of Health says that Fewer then 1% of Vaccine Adverse Events Are Reported! That means there are Over THREE MILLION Vaccine Adverse Events per year, including 16,800 DEATHS!

    I exposed the biggest Lie of the CDC and ProVaxxers (that vaccine injuries are rare)
    The ProVaxxers on this thread went crazy, attacking me as a Liar! Folks, my statement that there are over 3,000,000 vaccine adverse events including 16,800 deaths per year is based on information from the CDC and the Dept of Health itself! And I gave a Direct Quote from the Report!

    Benignuman Lied! that unreported adverse events are for Minor things like a Rash. But the above quote says that even SERIOUS adverse events are only reported 1-13%.

    Benignuman expects You to believe that even though Only 1-13% of Serious DRUG adverse events are reported, nearly all serious VACCINE adverse events Are Reported!!!
    Benignuman actually thinks You are stupid enough to believe that statement!!! Isn’t that insulting to you?

    #1634532
    shragi schiff
    Participant

    Nowhere in the toira are vaccines said to be muttar and it is completely illogical to believe that taking in a disease (along with mercury!) will protect you from it. Their effectiveness is highly doubtful given that the first vaccine was invented in 1796 and measles wasn’t declared eradicated in the US until over 200 years later! We look at the doctors of old who used leaches as foolish and counterproductive and the ‘doctors’ of today will be seen the same. Yet so many people blindly inject themselves with substances whose contents they completely aren’t aware of. And the consequences are horrifying. More students than ever have problems now that children are being vaccinated with such alarming regularity. There are very clear statistics showing that the MMR vaccine has a 10% chance of causing autism.. People have such trust for their doctors but a diploma on the wall doesn’t make you less likely to be paid off by the big pharmaceutical companies. Further evidence of how little it means to be a doctor is how the great Andrew Wakefield who bravely informed the world of these dangers was soon after punished and taken off the UK medical register. Vaxers like to think that opposition to their cause is a new fad but from the beginning, cautious sceptics wisely distrusted the fraudulent ‘medicine’.  Vaxers have been hoping for a measles breakout like this to prove them right, wanting our children’s sickness just to prove a point. I think it is likely that as the sceptics grew in number it was necessary to start an infection to make us back down. They blow it out of proportion to seem like a massive epidemic and misinform the public.

    I can’t believe I am even approving this post with these last lines…

    #1634545
    Yserbius123
    Participant

    @doomsday

    You asked me 3 times

    “Did 2scents LIE when s/he stated that
    there are NO Studies linking Autism to Vaccines?

    And I answered several times with an unequivocal NO. Here is where

    Studies on vaccines you might have missed.

    Studies on vaccines you might have missed.

    Let’s be clear: You are claiming that @2cents lied (or LIED! as you so eloquently like to put it) about studies showing a link between vaccination and autism. Your proof that s/he lied is that you found a website claiming 24 studies show that there is as link. I found different websites that refute the claim in the first website, and that people who think that those studies show a link are merely having difficulty understanding the scientific language used.

    #1634558
    Yserbius123
    Participant

    @doomsday

    Please stop yelling and please stop calling everyone liars. This is a frum message board, not some county fair in rural Arkansas.

    #1634714
    benignuman
    Participant

    Doomsday,
    I didn’t lie and you know I didn’t lie, so why do keep accusing me of lying?

    First, you completely ignore my primary point that patient claims are the best metric to use for determining the number of serious adverse events. You simply can’t face this point because it negates your position.

    Second, you acknowledge that the reference to serious adverse events (for some reason you latch on to the 1% and not the 13%) is about drugs and not vaccines. So your reading was incorrect. But instead of acknowledging your error you accuse of lying anyway! The 1% reporting on vaccines is for all adverse events lumped together as one group. It is derived by comparing the VAERS numbers with the numbers the study found when following up on patients who received vaccines for 30 days afterward. It is impossible to tell from that report whether the reporting for serious adverse events from vaccines was more robust. But that is what we would expect logically and it is what we see with drug reports (the overall reporting rate was 0.3%, serious events was 1-13%). Also the numbers in the study are based on “possible reactions” and “possible events,” not confirmed events.

    I never wrote that “nearly all serious vaccine adverse events are reported.” I wrote that nearly all would have been the subject of a patient claim with the vaccine compensation board, such that such claims are the best available proxy for determining the rate of adverse reactions to vaccines.

    #1634721
    doomsday
    Participant

    More Proof that ProVaxxers on this thread Shamelessly Lie
    Yserbius12: You asked me 3 times:

    “DID 2SCENTS LIE WHEN S/HE STATED THAT
    THERE ARE NO STUDIES LINKING AUTISM TO VACCINES?

    And I answered several times with an unequivocal NO.

    Folks, google: 24 published studies linking autism to vaccines.
    And yet 2SCENTS lies that there are NO studies linking autism to vaccines.
    And Yserbius lied 4-5 times that 2scents did NOT lie when she said there are No studies linking autism
    to vaccines.
    These ProVaxxers are shameless!

    #1634773
    2scents
    Participant

    Truthshudden,

    I am waiting for the apology of you publicly posting something that vaccines cause cancer.

    #1634727
    benignuman
    Participant

    Shragi,

    There were many things wrong with your post but the mistakes at the beginning were so blatant I can’t help but address them.
    “Nowhere in the toira are vaccines said to be muttar”
    The Torah does not specify different kosher and unkosher medicines. It says v’raph y’rapeh, you must use doctors to heal someone (who you damaged). Chazal said that we follow the decisions of the best doctors or the majority of doctors. Therefore vaccination is required by the Torah.

    “and it is completely illogical to believe that taking in a disease (along with mercury!) will protect you from it.”
    You personally not understanding how viruses and immunity work does not mean that nobody understands it. It isn’t a big secret.

    “Their effectiveness is highly doubtful given that the first vaccine was invented in 1796 and measles wasn’t declared eradicated in the US until over 200 years later!”
    The MMR vaccine was developed in the early 1970s.

    #1634740
    Yserbius123
    Participant

    @doomsday

    I told you what to Google and what to look up to refute your claim that those 24 studies show that there is a link. You are ignoring my response and are continuing to ignore my question on thimerisol. Simple google “About Those Research Papers Supporting the Vaccine/Autism Link” to understand how @2cents was absolutely correct when s/he said that there’s no study that shows a link. So s/he did not lie, as I told you several days ago (which you ignored and proceeded to call me names).

    You are an incredibly belligerent excuse for a human being. You have done nothing in this thread but use angry words and call people liars. You’ve been posting the same “proofs” over and over again and every time someone calls you out on it, you revert to some previous argument and pretend you didn’t hear it. I wonder what type of mench you are in real life. If anti-vaxxers are all like you, it’s no wonder Yeshivos won’t let them in irregardless of their opinion on data, science, and facts.

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