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Eli Y: Eli Y: Oh really? Would not a scientist have to compare this number with how many died from the vaccine?
Millhouse: That would be zero.Millhouse is Lying. See this quote from a Law firm that the Flu Vaccine has the MOST DEATHS reported to VAERS!
“The flu shot is responsible for more reports of adverse vaccine events, and more deaths, reported to the VAERS database, than any other vaccine. The Vaccine Adverse Events Reports database is chock full of people who have been killed or injured by the flu vaccine.” Mathew & Associates, Law FirmGive me a study comparing vaccinated vs. un-vaccinated children comparing, for starters rates of:
SIDS
Cancer
Autism
Epilepsy
Learning disabilities
Diabetes Type 1 and 2
Rates of death and disabilities from the illnesses preventable by vaccines.Millhouse: Add a few more conditions to this laundry list and I can almost guarantee that you will find a statistically significant correlation for at least one of them, purely by chance.
Millhouse, what if a vaxxed vs unvaxxed shows ALL these diseases are FAR MORE common in vaccinated children then unvaccinated? Would you FINALLY admit that vaccines cause harm?
(since there WERE vaxxed vs unvaxxed studies showing vaccinated are much sicker then Unvaxxed
I know the answer).Millhouse: No, it doesn’t. As many people have pointed out, that statement is about drugs, not vaccines.
Millhouse, if 1-13% of SERIOUS adverse drug reactions are not reported, why do you dispute it isn’t the
same for vaccines? People are allowed to sue for Malpractice for Drug Injuries but they are not allowed to
for Vaccine Injuries.People who get the Flu Vaccine are more likely to die of the Flu then People who didn’t get the vaccine and
got the Flu!!!Many people have died of the flu after receiving the flu vaccine. It also appears that, contrary to CDC claims, rather than making flu symptoms less severe when the vaccination causes the flu, the shot may well make them more severe, and more lethal. So not only can the flu shot directly cause the flu, as Dr. Oz and Piers Morgan demonstrated on national television to millions of people, it can also make the flu more lethal.
Law Firm of Matthews and AssociatesDoomsday: As I said, ALL credible doctors believe in vaccination. You say that there are 150 doctors who have come out against vaccines. Out of 1.1 MILLION doctors in the US, that would be – hmmm, let’s see – 150/1.1 million=0.014%of doctors – yep, less than 1/50 of 1% of doctors! Wow! Lots of doctors! HaHaHa! You lose this one, Doomsey!!!! As for your comment about doctors losing their license for not vaccinating, I have previously told you that is not true so stop perpetuating that lie. Doctors do not follow orders. Much of what pediatricians do is outside of labeling, because doctors are entitled to Make their own decision about practicing medicine. You just can’t live with the fact that nearly 100% of doctors believe vaccination is the only way to go! Now, they may be afraid to not vaccinate because they know it is VERY, VERY BAD medicine and when kids catch vaccine-preventable diseases, they would be – correctly sued because not vaccinating is unquestionable malpractice. That’s why nearly all pediatricians In our community will not accept anti-vaxxers into their practices – a very sound decision. The fact is, doctors trust the CDC, the AAP, the WHO, the FAAP, the ACIP for very good reason – they are fantastic organizations that do careful, methodical research that everyone trusts – except for you anti-vaxxers – and, oh, yeah, lest I forget – 0.014% of doctors in the US! HaHaHa! What a joke!!! Give it up, Doomsey! You lose!!
Doomsey, you’re wrong again! People ARE allowed to sue. But then they lose their option of using the vaccine injury program. Given that most of the complaints are frivolous claims, people would much rather go through the program where they might get a payout as opposed to suing where they will definitely lose!
Health: From JAMA 2015:
“In the largest-ever study of its kind, researchers again found that the measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine did not increase risk for autism spectrum disorder (ASD). This proved true even among children already considered at high risk for the disorder.
In all, the researchers analyzed the health records of 95,727 children, including more than 15,000 children unvaccinated at age 2 and more than 8,000 still unvaccinated at age 5. Nearly 2,000 of these children were considered at risk for autism because they were born into families that already had a child with the disorder.”
What exactly does this study prove?A perfectly healthy Jewish girl died last year from the the flu shot. I know because I davened for her…
Vaccinator: Doctors do not follow orders…Now, they may be afraid to not vaccinate because they know it is VERY, VERY BAD medicine and when kids catch vaccine-preventable diseases, they would be – correctly sued because not vaccinating is unquestionable malpractice.
So if a doctor believes that vaccines do more harm then good because the Doctor saw with his/her own eyes children dropping dead or regressing into autism after vaccination, the Doctor MUST continue to vaccinate his patients anyway or he/she can be sued for Malpractice! So you are wrong again, Vaccinator. Doctors are NOT allowed to use their own judgment but must “FOLLOW ORDERS” – at least when it comes to Vaccination!doomsday -“What exactly does this study prove?”
Again:
“MMR) vaccine did not increase risk for autism spectrum disorder (ASD).
Of the 95,727 children in the study, around 1 percent (994) were diagnosed with autism during the study’s follow-up period. Among those who had an older sibling with autism (1,929), approximately 7 percent (134) developed the disorder. This difference in autism prevalence – between children with or without an older sibling affected by autism – is consistent with earlier studies.”It also points that Autism is a genetic disorder.
Because of the Influence of the Anti-vaxxers there is an epidemic in the Frum communities!
A kid in Jerusalem died from the Measels so far – I’YH No more fatalities during this epidemic.Doomsday: See this quote from a Law firm
Stop right there. You’ve just answered your question.
The Vaccine Adverse Events Reports database is chock full of people who have been killed or injured by the flu vaccine.
The VAERS is chock full of garbage, put there by lawyers who file reports for the sole purpose of providing support for their lawsuits. Never forget that (1) VAERS is a database of adverse events that happened after vaccination <i>whether or not they were caused by it, and (2) there is no verification that either the event or the vaccination even occurred in the first place.
Millhouse, what if a vaxxed vs unvaxxed shows ALL these diseases are FAR MORE common in vaccinated children then unvaccinated?
What if a “study’ showed the moon was made of cheese?
sariray -“A perfectly healthy Jewish girl died last year from the the flu shot. I know because I davened for her…”
How do you what the reason was? Did you examine the patient? Did you look at the medical records?
Did you ever hear of Henny Penny? Now I know why the author gave her a Jewish First Name – Henny!doomsday: Millhouse, if 1-13% of SERIOUS adverse drug reactions are not reported, why do you dispute it isn’t the same for vaccines?
Because if that were the case the report would have said so. But that’s not the point. The point is that you <b>falsely</b> claimed that it did say so, when anyone can see that it didn’t. You also falsely portrayed this as a statement or position of the US Dept of Health, when in fact it is no more than a statement by two authors, either of their unsupported impression of what happens in the world, or (more likely) of what they found at one chain of clinics over the course of 41 months.
I know because I davened for her…
That makes even less sense than “I know because I’m a mother”. Davening does wonderful things lemaaloh, but one thing it definitely doesn’t do is give one ruach hakodesh.
Sorry, Doomsey, there are NO ORDERS for doctors in medicine. Nothing. Nada. You can look it up if you want. You won’t find it ANYWHERE! Because it doesn’t exist. You have called everybody else liars but this is a 100% bald-faced lie. Try to prove it. You will never find a source because none exists. Another piece of fake news/fake science from the anti-vaxxers world. Doesn’t exist. Period…
Oh, and by the way, Doomsey, NO doctor EVER saw with his/her own eyes children dropping dead or regressing into autism after vaccination. None. Period. More fake news/fake science from the CULT. Give it up, Doomsey. Your case is lost.
Guys, don’t get sidetracked. Notice how @doomsday, @truthishidden, and the other anti-vaxxers have backed off of each claim as they are disproved and moved on to something else. First it was “CDC lies”, when that was shown to be false they moved on to “you guys are liars”, when asked for clarification it became “Google the phrase 24 vaccine autism studies” that was shown to be a product of an uneducated mind attempting to read scientific literature so they moved on to Googling “157 vaccine autism studies” (the more the merrier, I guess?), I showed them how that was similarly nonsense, so they followed up with more name calling until settling in on VAERS and other evidence-scant lawyer stuff from the early 00’s about vaccination.
Hold them to their words. Let them prove their original allegations and respond to everyone who disproved what they were saying, before allowing them to move the goalposts yet again.
Still waiting for an answer on why CDC refused to do a RETROSPECTIVE vaxxed vs unvaxxed study.
Vaccinator: Oh, and by the way, Doomsey, NO doctor EVER saw with his/her own eyes children dropping dead or regressing into autism after vaccination. None.
Folks, do you see how these ProVaxxers Lie? There are thousands of children who died within hours of getting vaccinated. There are Hundreds of Thousands of children who regressed into autism after being vaccinated.
and there are DOCTORS who WITNESSED it! And those Doctors Know Vaccines are dangerous but
if they don’t continue vaccinating they will lose their license!Health: A kid in Jerusalem died from the Measles so far
The child in died of Measles was sick before she got Measles.
And 168 deaths reported every year following Measles. And only 1-13% of Serious Adverse Events are Reported.
And there are ZERO deaths per year from Measles in the United States.Yserbius: First it was CDC lies and when that was proven false.
Doomsday: CDC DID LIE when CDC said measles kills 1:1000 when it is closer to 1:10,000 – according to CDC’s own website!
Nobody refuted the Fake CDC study where I gave 3 examples of how CDC falsified data.
Yserbius: then they moved on to “You guys are liars”
Doomday: You did lie when you said there are no studies showing link between autism and vaccines.
Just because you don’t believe those studies does not mean they don’t exist – that is a Lie.@doomsday And just because you refuse to address the dozens of comments responding to your allegations does not mean you’re right. The first CDC study you claimed had “falsified data” was the so called “Danish Study”. But you were wrong. The data wasn’t falsified. There was just one guy on the study who exaggerated his expenses and kept the money for himself. That was all. The study still stands and you still refused to address that.
Now now! Wait a second… don’t tell me you were talking about another CDC study. That’s goalpost moving. First address the original comment, then you can move on to something else. Your first comment was about the “Danish Study”. Admit you were wrong or address my response, then and only then can you bring something else up.
Yserbius: then they moved on to “You guys are liars”
Doomday: You did lie when you said there are no studies showing link between autism and vaccines.Um, no. I addressed this in at least 7 different comments. Please re-read everything I wrote again before you go back to your childish insults and hands over your ears.
Vaccinator: You say that there are 150 doctors who have come out against vaccines. Out of 1.1 MILLION doctors in the US, that would be – hmmm, let’s see – 150/1.1 million=0.014%of doctors – yep, less than 1/50 of 1% of doctors!
I said there are 150 doctors who have come out PUBLICLY against Vaccines. There are many MORE who are anti-vaccine but are afraid to speak out. 13% of doctors will not follow the CDC Vaccination schedule. 13% of 1.1 Million = 143,000 doctors who won’t follow CDC vaccine schedule for THEIR children.
143,000 doctors who don’t agree with CDC vaccine schedule is not so few, Vaccinator!Health, was this study comparing vaccinated to unvaccinated children?
I want a Yes or No answer, please. Second request.@doomsday I have shown you in previous comments that although you claim 24 studies show a link between vaccines and autism, those studies show no such thing.
True or false?
Doomday: You did lie when you said there are no studies showing link between autism and vaccines.
Yserbius: Um, no. I addressed this in at least 7 different comments. Please re-read everything I wrote again before you go back to your childish insults and hands over your ears.
Folks, there ARE 157 studies linking autism to vaccines. You can google it and see for yourself.
The ProVaxxers on this Thread LIE that there are NO studies linking autism to vaccines because……
THEY don’t agree the studies are valid! These ProVaxxers are so Stupid and they don’t understand that
just because they don’t agree with 150 Studies, it doesn’t mean they don’t exist. They are shameless liars!Yserbius: I have shown you in previous comments that although you claim 24 studies show a link between vaccines and autism, those studies show no such thing. True or false?
I don’t have the time to study 24 research papers. There is another site that says there are
157 research papers showing a link between vaccines and autism – I didn’t study those papers either.
The point is, It is a LIE to say there are NO studies showing a link between autism and vaccines
when there ARE over 157 such studies.
Just because YOU don’t agree with those studies, does not mean they are Not there.
And if you continue to say so, you’re just proving you are a Liar.The antivaxxer has the bad habit of randomly capitalizing words and writing as though he or she is on a stage, speaking to an audience that is there to hear him or her speak.
Thank you for admitting that a CDC Researcher, Paol Thorson, is a Fraud, Yserbius.
Now, Please refute the proof of fraud labeled 1. 2. and 3. below!
How CDC makes Fraudulent Studies to “prove” thimerosal-vaccines don’t cause autism (it does!):
“The Danish Study” compared the number of newly recorded autism cases before 1992 when thimerosal containing vaccines were used to newly recorded cases of Autism after 1992, when thimerosal was removed. The study showed that the number of newly recorded cases increased after thimerosal was removed and stated this proved that thimerosal does not cause autism.
Here is the Fraud:
1. Before 1992, the Fake researchers only counted autistic children in Hospitals. After 1992, the Fake researchers included autistic children who were outpatients! There are 10 times as many outpatient autistic children as there are in Hospitals!!!It is the equivalent of doing a study on “Divorce Rates in North America” and counting Mexico and Canada divorces before 1992, then adding in the United States divorces for after 1992, and claiming that divorce rates went up after 1992.
2. After 1992The Danish Government Changed the Definition of Autism to a more inclusive one. Of course the number of children diagnosed with Autism increased!
3. Deletion of Data – the Fake Researchers the entire year of data 2001 for seven year old children from its final published report. This is blatant Fraud!
Additionally, all the researchers were employees or closely connected to Vaccine Manufacturers. One researcher, Poul Thorson, was indicted on 22 counts of Fraud and fled USA and is on the Most Wanted Criminals List. These are the “Holy Researchers” employed by the CDC!
Folks, after seeing how the CDC hires Criminals to produce Fake Studies to Lie to the public that Vaccines don’t cause Autism (it does), how can you trust them?Folks, there ARE 157 studies linking autism to vaccines. You can google it and see for yourself.
First off, let’s address your original comments before we move on to your moved goalposts. Second, I addressed the claim of “157 studuies” in two previous comments. Again, please read what people have responded to you before blindly re-write the same tiresome arguments.
Doomsday: anyone who’s afraid to speak out is useless. You can make up any number you want when you say they’re scared to speak out. Like the fools who say “I have a gadol who’s against vaccines, but he doesn’t want to say it publicly!” Obviously that too is useless. I’ll go with your original 150 – that’s the REAL number. As I said, 0.014%. HaHaHa!!!
Dooms: STOP LYING – NOW!!! Don’t state stuff that can easily be verified. Doctors cannot lose their license for not vaccinating!!! That’s easy to verify in the state boards of medicine (they’re the ones that determine the laws for the doctors and determine what you can lose your license for). AGAIN, READ MY LIPS!!! YOU CANNOT – I REPEAT SO YOU HEAR IT THIS TIME – YOU CANNOT – LOSE YOUR LICENSE FOR NOT VACCINATING. You’ll need to look at each of the 50 states’ laws to prove it to yourself – and you’ll needs lots of help with the words because they’re way above your reading level – but once you get through them, you’ll find that there is no such law. Another LIE from the anti-vaxxers CULT! One of VERY MANY MANTRAS the anti-vaxxers promulgate.
@truthishidden Can you repost it then? All I see from you are various claims on the dangers of vaccines that don’t really reflect reality, such as claiming that there’s a dangerous level of formaldehyde in vaccines.
@doomsayer No, the article I pointed to also addressed the 157 studies, not just your original 24. I also personally addressed those pointing out how many of the studies are so completely off topic I’m not sure the collator even knew what s/he was reading. Here are some articles you should look up:
- “Vaccines and autism: A thorough review of the evidence” from the blog “The Logic of Science”
- “About Those Research Papers Supporting the Vaccine/Autism Link” from the blog “Vaxopedia”
Don’t get me wrong. I am under no fantastical impression that you would even bother reading my comment, and certainly not the two blogs I referenced. You’re probably just going to re-post one of your classics, call me a liar, and go to bed feeling all smug that you just chapped the “provaxxers”.
Oh, and I addressed your claims on “the Danish Study” like, 3 days ago. Please go back to page 5 or so and read my comments there.
Provaxxers, You never addressed the Blatant Fraud in the CDC “Danish Study”. (Yserbius, you did not respond to my study. You looked at a Different Study “A Population-Based Study of Measles, Mumps, and Rubella Vaccination and Autism”)
“The Danish Study” compared the number of newly recorded autism cases before 1992 when thimerosal containing vaccines were used to newly recorded cases of Autism after 1992, when thimerosal was removed. The study showed that the number of newly recorded cases increased after thimerosal was removed and stated this proved that thimerosal does not cause autism.
Here is the Fraud:
1. Before 1992, the Fake researchers only counted autistic children in Hospitals. After 1992, the Fake researchers included autistic children who were outpatients! There are 10x as many outpatient autistic children as there are in Hospitals!!!It is the equivalent of doing a study on “Divorce Rates in North America” and counting Mexico and Canada divorces before 1992, then adding in the United States divorces for after 1992, and claiming that divorce rates went up after 1992.
2. After 1992The Danish Government Changed the Definition of Autism to a more inclusive one. Of course the number of children diagnosed with Autism increased!
3. Deletion of Data – the Fake Researchers the entire year of data 2001 for seven year old children from its final published report. This is blatant Fraud!Molecular biologist Judy A. Mikovits, PhD, was made bankrupt and thrown in prison for blowing the whistle on the deadly nature of human vaccines.
In a series of video interviews, Dr. Mikovits says that in 2009 she had been intensively studying autism and related neurological diseases.
She soon realized that these protein and viral contaminants were being introduced into the human population via contaminated vaccines.
“Twenty-five million Americans are infected with the viruses that came out of the lab… into the humans via contaminated blood and vaccines.”
In response to this discovery, she was fired from her job, indicted, prosecuted, jailed and ordered to retract her research and publicly claim she “made it all up.” She refused to cover up the scientific evidence and was targeted and punished by the “vaccine deep state” establishment. She was actually thrown in prison. “Just dragged out of my house in shackles… I refused to denounce the data… we have the data… they basically said tell everybody you made it all up and you can go home. If you don’t, we’ll destroy you. And they did.”Yserbius, You don’t agree with me. Do I exist? This is a Yes or No question.
I DARE you to answer!@doomsday Yes you exist and yes you persist in not answering anything anyone throws back at you. I’m like 98% certain you’re just a troll. Nobody can be this persistent on absolutely nothing.
First off, can you blame me for getting the wrong Danish study if you never posted the name and author of the study in the first place? I simply looked for “Danish CDC study” on freak anti-health sites and this one study kept on coming up. If that wasn’t what you were talking about, then fine. Be more specific!
Now answer a simple yes/no true/false question. Namely, the one I posed earlier. If you cannot (or will not) the board as a whole will have to conclude that you are just a troll and don’t actually believe what you write.
@doomsday You keep framing this as a “disagreement”, that I “disagree” with you and “disagree” with those studies. Negative. You are simply wrong. My evidence to that fact is that you never even looked at those “157 studies” you keep touting. Had you, you would have seen that the guy who posted them lied in claiming that they prove an autism/vaccine link.
“I don’t have the time to study 24 research papers. There is another site that says there are”
I knew you didn’t read the studies. I even asked if you read them and you didn’t answer. I knew you didn’t because I read the first one and it did not prove that vaccines cause autism. I assumed the first study that they would list would be the most convincing but it wasn’t convincing at all so I decided it was a waste of time reading the others.
So who is really the blind sheep, the vaxxers who both trust their doctors and actually read articles on the topic or the anti-vaxxers who only read titles?
doomsday -“Still waiting for an answer on why CDC refused to do a RETROSPECTIVE vaxxed vs unvaxxed study.”
Who said they refused?
“And there are ZERO deaths per year from Measles in the United States.”
That’s a blatant Lie! Are you a religious Jew or s/o that thinks he could Pull the Wool over the Eyes of Jews – so they can support this Anti-vaxx Cult?!?
“Health, was this study comparing vaccinated to unvaccinated children?
I want a Yes or No answer, please. Second request.”Yes; amongst other things.
A few points: The claim by the Health Department of numerous Measles-related deaths is wildly exaggerated and unsubstantiated. The comparison with death from all Vaccination- Related Injury (and, more frequently the life-long suffering inflicted on these families) is vastly underestimated since there is no ICD-10 Diagnostic Code for children admitted admitted to hospitals with Meningo-Encephalitis following Vaccination. Children are no-longer vaccinated against Measles. Rather they receive a triple cocktail of three live viruses. The age at which they begin – 6 months, would have been regarded 2 years ago as harmful, since 14 months was regarded as the safety cut-off and no research has shown this to have changed. Children vaccinated with live MMR continue to shed virus for 3 weeks. Its in fact the vaccinated population that is infectious until they stop shedding; not the unvaccinated population. The allegations made against Dr. Wakefield were totally fabricated. He is a Senior Pediartic Gastroenterologist in London who discovered Atypical Viral Recombinants in the inflammatory tissue of clusters of children presenting with Inflammatory Bowel Disease following MMR. These Viral Recombinants were in fact “Kelaim”, – the fragments of Measles, Mumps, and Rubella deposited as unusual clusters in the intestinal walls of children presenting with inflammatory bowel disease following MMR Vccinations. The fictitious argument made that Dr. Wakefield that not all had Autism is of no consequence since he was never involved in the treatment of Autism. It so happens that the Recombinant Bodies discovered by Dr Wakefield resemble the viral- antibody complexes found in the Cerebrospinal fluid of MMR – injured patients with Autistic Spectrum Disease. Finally, those physicians and government bodies enforcing vaccinations on children against their parents consent are in violation of the Geneva Convention: Following Auschwitz, this International Body passed a Law prohibiting governments from forcing treatment or medical research on civilians against their consent.
Dooms,
“I still have not heard an explanation on why CDC refuses to do a RETROSPECTIVE study comparing”.
the problem I personally have with this discussion is that most of the stuff you bring up have been addressed more than once on this thread, yet just ignore them and continue to copy paste the nonsense.
There are retrospective studies, here is one. PubMed 12523209, in fact, it is a very large one.
Here is another one, JAMA 2275444
I am not telling you to google something, nor am I copy-pasting from some radical websites.
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