August 17, 2011 7:35 pm at 7:35 pm #598691WIYMember
This is controversial and Im aware of it. However I was wondering what you people think and if anyone knows if any Rabbanim have spoken about this. I want to know Halachically and or Hashkafically.
Is it a lack of Tznius in some way? I cant put my finger on it but when I noticed some girls chewing gum I also noticed that many of these same girls are usually of a more modern type (or dress that way) and it comes off as an attitude like I think Im cool I think Im all that.August 17, 2011 7:53 pm at 7:53 pm #800836
Yes, it does look nauseating and not tziusdik especially when they chew and talk. This is a “krenk” that is obvious in all types and one cannot finger modern looking only.
In B.Y.H.S. of old with teachers who were students of Sara Schneirer some made us put the gum on the bridge of our noses for a while, as punishment. Some commented too that we were obviously Jewish and kosher and did not have to chew our cud!!!
Personally, it’s one question on my shidduch questionairre, along with nail polish!!!!(if found that any of the above are on girls agendea, they are not for my son/grandson)August 17, 2011 7:57 pm at 7:57 pm #800837MiddlePathParticipant
Here’s what I think:
No, it’s not a lack of tznius.
We shouldn’t be looking for things to outlaw if there’s no reason to.
We shouldn’t assume that people of a “more modern type” have an attitude of “I think I’m cool”.
We should stop trying to figure people out based on observing them for a few seconds.August 17, 2011 8:02 pm at 8:02 pm #800838
is someone here looking to outlaw people chewing gum?August 17, 2011 8:03 pm at 8:03 pm #800839
MP- I am sorry to disagree with you but he is not assuming anything just saying that the girls that he sees chewing gum in public are the ones that are dressed more modern. they choose to be viewed that way. they bought the clothing.August 17, 2011 8:04 pm at 8:04 pm #800840TheGoqParticipant
I would never chew older chewing gum gross!August 17, 2011 8:05 pm at 8:05 pm #800841ha ha ha haMember
it is nausating but it doesn’t make it wrong… its just so gross!!!!August 17, 2011 8:05 pm at 8:05 pm #800842am yisrael chaiParticipant
Can someone here please consistently look for the good in Am Yisrael rather than finding things about which to be consistently critical?
Please learn the many stories of R Levi Yittzchak m’Berditchev and share with us the lessons.
TIAAugust 17, 2011 8:08 pm at 8:08 pm #800843
I personally think it looks bad. But that being said, I don’t project my views on other people, so I don’t tell people “don’t chew gum in the street.” I simply refrain for myself.
Furthermore, in my view, this should be an issue that crosses genders and should not apply any more to girls than it does to boys.
The WolfAugust 17, 2011 8:09 pm at 8:09 pm #800844zahavasdadParticipant
Why not put up a proclamation in Yiddish on 13th AveAugust 17, 2011 8:10 pm at 8:10 pm #800845dbwcbbMember
Maybe they’re on a diet and chewing gum so they won’t be eating something else? Or maybe they just ate a meal that had garlic or onions in it and want to freshen their mouth. If they’re chewing it with their mouth closed and not blowing bubbles or crackin it loud, I think there is absoultely nothing wrong with itAugust 17, 2011 8:10 pm at 8:10 pm #800846Abe CohenParticipant
Because the people that do this tend to not understand yiddish.August 17, 2011 8:11 pm at 8:11 pm #800847
so now the op has implied he wants to outlaw this practice, he should put up proclamations stating so, and some posters would not tell people to stop this practice.
doesnt anyone know how to read? or is it just so self-satisfying to disagree with other posters?August 17, 2011 8:12 pm at 8:12 pm #800848
its just fun!!!!August 17, 2011 8:12 pm at 8:12 pm #800849
but some posters disagree and would not tell people to stop this practice.
I indicated a response to the OP’s question. I do not think this is a “tznius” matter (as it relates to girls’ behavior vs. boys’ behavior).
The WolfAugust 17, 2011 8:13 pm at 8:13 pm #800850
who said anything about telling them to stop?August 17, 2011 8:14 pm at 8:14 pm #800851
who said anything about telling them to stop?
I edited my response while you put this up.
The WolfAugust 17, 2011 8:16 pm at 8:16 pm #800852MiddlePathParticipant
adorable, I understand that, and perhaps he is right. But isn’t it also possible that these girls just grew up modern, and aren’t necessarily dressing that way to tell people “I’m cool”, but rather are dressing that way because they’ve always dressed that way? I just don’t like judging people. If WIY knows however that these girls ARE dressing that way to say “I’m cool”, then I am wrong, and I apologize.August 17, 2011 8:17 pm at 8:17 pm #800853
I think its an attitude that he picks up from watch them (not that he should be doing that either but whatever)August 17, 2011 8:17 pm at 8:17 pm #800854yichusdikParticipant
Wolf – some of the readers/posters here have a hashkafic problem with leading and educating by personal example rather than by assering, prohibiting, and ostracizing.
WIY – really? chewing gum in the street is modernish? I could understand if you said something like listening to an ipod, or texting, (on weekdays :)) or even ch’v talking to boys. That would make sense. But chewing gum?August 17, 2011 8:18 pm at 8:18 pm #800855ImaofthreeParticipant
My husband did not like it when I chewed gum so I stopped. It is for sure not a refined thing to do but if it is done quietly and without blowing bubbles and cracking it I think it’s okay. we have worse things to worry about, unfortunately.August 17, 2011 8:21 pm at 8:21 pm #800857
chewing gum older than teenagers?blech!August 17, 2011 8:22 pm at 8:22 pm #800858RochelleMember
I do sometimes see these girls that have become cooler than their original code of law, find it cool to chew gum very loud. IF you ask me I think it looks bad and is absolutely disgusting… ha, So much for looking cool..August 17, 2011 8:23 pm at 8:23 pm #800859
i really dont understand the problemAugust 17, 2011 8:24 pm at 8:24 pm #800860
and wats wrong with trying to be coolAugust 17, 2011 8:28 pm at 8:28 pm #800861
alot of people in here base their opinions on persoal life experiences and their own journey.you kno who you are. fact is its an association. just like maybe people with bushy eyebrows and a long nose are assumed to be mean. its a siman not a siba, what? but i still think it looks crude and grubbe.August 17, 2011 8:28 pm at 8:28 pm #800862zahavasdadParticipant
I never understood why the signs are posted in Yiddish, Although I did see a sign on Lee Ave in Both Yiddish AND EnglishAugust 17, 2011 8:34 pm at 8:34 pm #800863
and wats wrong with trying to be cool
its dishonest. people should be themselves and not somebody elseAugust 17, 2011 8:43 pm at 8:43 pm #800864
are you trying to say there are some ppl who are inherintly cool and thats it? and if a nerdy person wants to try it out for a little while he cant? o and please explain to me wats dishonest about itAugust 17, 2011 8:46 pm at 8:46 pm #800865kol daveedMember
As Yidden, we should be doing everything possible to reflect our lofty madrega. We must keep in mind that we represent HaKadosh Baruch Hu. I’m not saying chewing gum is right or wrong, but we need to realize that their is an ideal and proper way for every aspect of our lives – how we eat, speak, act, and think, what we look at, listen to, follow, smell, etc. Remember, we are enjoined to be kadosh. BH we are kadosh! The Ribono Shel Olam created worlds innumerable – solar systems, galaxies, stars, planets, multitudes of melachim beyond number, plant and animal species beyond comprehension, billions of human beings throughout history. And, out of all of this, who does He have? Who does He cherish above all else? Us, Klal Yisrael. I hope this message reaches your hearts and we work to improve ourselves in all aspects of our lives. If not for your sake or my sake, then for the sake of Avinu Sh’b’Shamayim Who for our sake and our sake alone brought creation into existence.August 17, 2011 8:50 pm at 8:50 pm #800866
frumster22 its not cool to try to be cool.if a nerdy person wanted to be himself hed be qualified as coolAugust 17, 2011 8:57 pm at 8:57 pm #800867
moskidoodle, thats your opinion your prob. cool how do you think the nerds feelAugust 17, 2011 9:08 pm at 9:08 pm #800869600 Kilo BearMember
Do it in private. I used to smoke and occasionally I will chew gum if I get very desperate. However, I do so at my desk only. If I need something on the street, which I rarely do since I never smoked outdoors and just did it to concentrate on work, I have a couple of hard candies.August 17, 2011 9:18 pm at 9:18 pm #800871Bar ShattyaMember
Chewing gum is as masculine as smoking.August 17, 2011 9:20 pm at 9:20 pm #800872
as a mashal- i know this is an exageration- its meant to drive home the point of having yiddish sensetivities- wearing shorts to kol nidrei on yom kippur isnt ossur, right? but you still wouldnt do it. sensetivities.August 17, 2011 9:25 pm at 9:25 pm #800873yicMember
its not tsnius .who know’s what tsnius and what not nobody !! evrybody have to know for her is it a bad thing or not its no ruls no diegrem and no chart(sure every body have to do what her comunity is doing school rules) but about this kind of things its just about you and god this about you to know if you are doing a right thing or not but about other pepole how to look on it is that not this issue the issue is why dos this girl have the guts do to this a thing what pepole are looking on this like not a nice thing and you are doing this shows on other things thats what they thinkAugust 17, 2011 9:30 pm at 9:30 pm #800874
i hate to play haifagirl but-yic- what?August 17, 2011 9:36 pm at 9:36 pm #800875am yisrael chaiParticipant
So let me get this right.
It’s NOT “tzniusdik” to chew gum but it IS “tzniusdik” to scrutinize females… “I noticed some girls chewing gum I also noticed that many of these same girls are usually of a more modern type (or dress that way)”
Olam hafuch hu.
And can we please TRY to catch someone doing something right?August 17, 2011 9:36 pm at 9:36 pm #800876Queen BeeMember
I don’t like to get into controversial topics, but this is what I’ll say. There’s a certain why to conduct yourself on the streets whether you’re a frum girl a frum boy, or a secular boy or girl. Chewing gum loudly or while talking is rude and can look disgusting, but that has nothing to do with being a frum girl. It’s called being a person. In my opinion, this is not a tznius issue. It’s manners. And I don’t think it’s appropriate to stereotype “modern” girls. Like Imaofthree said, we have bigger things to worry about.
MiddlePath, I agree that we shouldn’t judge people based on how they dress. I’m guilty of doing this, too.
I also think girls (and guys) need to have some fun instead of constantly looking over their shoulder to make sure no one is “studying” them.
yossi2468, you better be joking or I’ll crawl through my screen and slap you across the face 😉August 17, 2011 9:47 pm at 9:47 pm #800878Abe CohenParticipant
The OP saw a problem, and brought it to the klal’s attention. That is the appropriate thing to do.August 17, 2011 9:47 pm at 9:47 pm #800879Bar ShattyaMember
Of course there are people doing things right, but who cares about THEM?
Anyway, this whole noticing females thing has been exploited so many times its getting boring. Thats just the way some people are and by “some” i mean half the people. technically 49%, i think and the shidduch crisis alarmists will tell you the percentage of men is more like 10%. either way, it doesnt NECESSARILY mean his view on the things he sees is krum.August 17, 2011 9:56 pm at 9:56 pm #800880mw13Participant
I don’t see anything untzniyus about chewing gum. I also don’t think it’s “nausating” or “cool”. It’s just something to chew on, for crying out loud.August 17, 2011 9:57 pm at 9:57 pm #800881minyan galMember
Queenie: (I am taking you up on your offer of being allowed to call you Queenie). you can give him potch from me as well. He says “this is so important in our time”. I guess the fact that over 50 percent of young Jewish adults are intermarrying and that the fighting continues in Eretz Yisroel aren’t so important. But, chewing gum (for the record, I think it looks terrible) is a big deal.August 17, 2011 10:00 pm at 10:00 pm #800882MichaelCMember
It says in the Talmud you should not eat in the streetAugust 17, 2011 10:18 pm at 10:18 pm #800883yicMember
toi? what are you asking ?August 17, 2011 11:17 pm at 11:17 pm #800884smileyface136Member
Mods, was my post not permitted to be posted? Just want to know for future reference. Or did my post simply get lost because I turned my computer off immediately after posting it?
IT WAS DELETEDAugust 17, 2011 11:50 pm at 11:50 pm #800885happiestMember
Honestly, you have nothing better to worry about?!
I give you a bracha that this should be your biggest and hardest thing you have to worry about forever!!August 18, 2011 12:05 am at 12:05 am #800886oomisParticipant
It has nothing to do with tznius, and everything to do with looking unattractive. People should take a video of their loved ones chewing gum, and show it back to them. They may not realize how they look.
But as someone pointed out correctly, they might be on a diet, or have a dry mouth, or any other reason for chewing gum. It is not our business,and we have enough issurim that we want our kids to follow without imposing additional restrictions on them.
BTW, would you feel the same way about rebbeim who chewed tobacco?August 18, 2011 12:35 am at 12:35 am #800887mustangriderMember
Firstly I didnt read all the posts so I apologize if I’m repeating anyone’s post.
I dont think chewing gum is a tznius issue – it’s just not refined – and makes the person look like a cow. Also I don’t think ppl chew gum cuz it’s cool – everyone knows it’s not. I think most ppl chew gum cuz they like having fresh breath, or cuz they are on a diet and chewing gum is great for that (it keeps the metabolism working).
People, please don’t think too deaply into things – most people don’t do things cuz they intentionally want to b bad. In fact most people don’t think so much wen they do things. it’s all the onlookers being judgemental.
There are enough complicated things in life – we don’t need to add more.August 18, 2011 1:01 am at 1:01 am #800888rtParticipant
“The gum-chewing girl
And cud-chewing cow
Look quite alike
And what is the difference?
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