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Nobody’s Going to listen to me just as In My last drasha, but it was just megaleh that the oilam here is not all men, it’s also women… what heter is there for men and women who are religious to constantly chat with each other albeit online?!?! this is making the coffee room and ywn more that’s just hashkafikly wrong it is now halchaicly wrong? I thought it was a joke that syag is a female wether that’s true or not I saw recently a thread about seminaries and ladies responded to it
This is not about being yeshivish or modox וכד׳
This is a halchaic prohibition of talking heimishly to girls over a Frum site????? there are Heimish topics and evreyone just chats about it men women it doesn’t matter
This is a huge problem. how could it be?
If u wouldn’t do it in person why would you do it online what’s the diffrence between getting Snapchat yemach Shimom and the coffee room????!! I am abhorred
I don’t think there’s kiruv daas when there’s no possibility of communicating personally, or knowing the other person’s identity. Even the gemaras case of m’achurei hageder is different because the man knew which woman it was.
Also most don’t shmooze about personal things. Not the ideal, but honestly I’m here because i like writing and expressing the perspective of the yeshiva world, which is lacking here and online in general.
Sorry no one here has time for a troll, cant wait for the next zman to start
Moish: maskim, thank you. Not to mention other shylas
While commonsaychel will surely be yelling troll from the rooftops soon enough, the OPs intention is lsheim shamayim. And he’s not wrong, per se, either.
I agree with Avira as long as we don’t know and see with whom we are communicating no hirhur is involved.
Moishalah: Didn’t you know there is a shidduch crisis?? The CR provides a “safe” environment to meet your beschert. Ask any of the three Mrs. UJMs or Rebbitzen Milhouse all of whom found a segulah by posting here in the CR.
Even kol beisha is paskened by the Yabia Omer (1,6) which is described in great detail, according to the Maharam Shik and others that if he does not know her and see her, it does not apply.
What is says אל תרבה שיחה עם אשה, don’t speak much with a woman, I don’t think applies if you don’t know her, see her or hear her. Her political views or Torah views will not affect you.
I make sure not to speak to ladies. Or maybe they don’t speak to me. Either way, I’m good.
Ok let’s start imafather site
How does one determine if someone in the coffee room is a man or a woman? I assume Moish and Reb Eliezer are men but I can’t be certain that men are posting under those names.
Moish26, I think it is ok as I pointed out before but you don’t think so, therefore, you have an option not to participate. We don’t know about each other’s family except maybe about me who revealed his history.
Well, in this case I didn’t reprimand anyone. I do, essentially, agree with Moish. Which means you can say I’m (like everyone else here) wrong to be here. But I’d rather honestly admit that I’m doing something wrong than to pretend or claim that the wrongful activity is okay.
Isn’t it better to admit that one’s eating Hebrew National is something that I should stop rather than telling people Hebrew National is okay to eat?
It says והיית משוגע maybe פשוטו כמשמעו it is a mitzva to be meshugener.
By the way, when the coffee room was new in 2008, 2009, 2010, it was way worse. You had teenagers, young adults and middle aged fellows from both genders having very lively discussions and chatting and joking around on all subjects. And the posts back then were often being approved and posted within seconds or minutes of being submitted. Some threads were growing by a page (fifty posts) every hour or so (sometimes even quicker). Check out some of the very old threads (at least some of the ones that didn’t get mangled in the various CR software upgrades over the years.)
Moish26, I gave a mekor to kol beisha which I think is worse.
We have to compare apples to apples and not apples to oranges. The wife the husband recognizes and knows, so must be others. The kal vechamer has a pircha, can be questioned.
Maybe the talking will bring you to know them but you don’t know to whom you are talking and who is listening.
Moish26, it looks like you are an unmarried bachur, so you should not participate anymore.
“I am abhorred”
not by everyone
I think your posts are silly, I wouldn’t say they (nor you) are abhorrent
Moish26, I also learned in chasiddishe yeshivas and I understand the purpose of the CR where people can express their views under the proper supervision of the mods which should eliminate your concerns stated in the mishna in Avos compared to other sites where there is no supervision.
Reb Eliezer, Chasan Sofer is Oberlander, not Chasidish.
@moish “I am abhorred”
Its more like you’re pitiededited
Reb E, I don’t agree with “compared to other sites,” idea, because something wrong doesn’t become right just because other people do it worse, especially when it’s not a necessary activity. The alternative would be not to have any such site, but to refer those wbo would do the worse one to to not-as-bad one.
I’m not saying that the CR shouldn’t exist, I’m just saying that that mahalach is not the right approach
So why don’t we have a separate CR for women which can be looked at or not?
Chasan Sofer is not Oberland anymore but chasiddish. The Wiener also in Williamsburg who are now davening sefard.
The women can look at the men’s CR and give their argument on their CR and the men can either look at it or not to give their argument on their CR.
Mods, so what do you think of idea reply #2116031 and #2116103?
Moish I’m a female and I can honestly inform you I don’t crawl around here or anyplace else.
There is also a womans CR, it’s called imamotherdotcom. It is not necessary to reinvent the wheel.
You need to be a mother to use that site. It even tests you to prove your motherhood. What about the single maidelech?
Mosish26, if you want something done, show a halachik source that even if you don’t know and see the communicator is an issur as indicated before that there is no proof from the above mishna.
Moish26, what about kol beisha I mentioned above at reply #2115703?
“Rabbosai ARE WE TAKING ACTION OR NOT”
Yes we are and the action is to ask the mods to have you banned from the CRA couple of thoughts:
1. How do you know that you are communicating with a woman? The Coffee Room is anonymous. How do you know that Reb Eliezer isn’t a woman?
2. It’s a woman’s voice that is ervah (most say singing, some say even speaking), not her written word.Ray, as mentioned above by a detailed pesak from Rav Ovadyah Yosef ztz’l in Yabia Omer (1,6) that if you don’t know and see her, kol beisha is ‘not’ ervah. Communication over here is not personal which should be ok as stated in the recommended discussion by the Shulchan Aruch Harav website. You would not know but Reb Eliezer is not a woman.
The shaila above is to a listen to a woman singing on a gramophone (record player, phonograph, VCR, CD, DVD) or radio? He writes that אם אינו מכירה מותר, if he does not know her, is permitted.
Amil, I see you are trying to incite, so don’t give them ammunition as you might end up on a separate CR.
Reb, E with all do respect, I’m not prolific enough to be missed on this site. The owners make zer0 from me on advertising clicks. I go away for long periods of time and am not a daily visitor. I would say the same regarding the Imas. (Although the Imas politics are hidden from public view and the CRs are public.)
In the meantime, there are men here who seem to oppose posting to or sharing the same internet venue with females. I can live with that, ergo I’ll choose not to reply to them and spare them pixels created by a +70 female.
I disagree, I think you would be missed. I know I was wondering where/how you were way back when you took a break.
Rab Yehuda mentions that Beruriah learned from thousand of teachers, no record of them either kicking her out or not allowing her to ask questions
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