September 9, 2011 2:32 pm at 2:32 pm #599290
Why is it muttar to be a moderator? I am sure that some posts that come in are, Loshon Horah, rechilus, or just inaproppiate material… In other words, in as much as there is a need for moderation, why is it permitted for the moderators to moderate all together? (I am not saying that no one should moderate, its obviously better moderated, but that is not an answer why it is permitted to moderate}September 9, 2011 3:02 pm at 3:02 pm #807885ObaminatorMember
The OP’s question, really, is what is the heter for this board to even exist.September 9, 2011 3:04 pm at 3:04 pm #807886
I think you are right. there should be no more mods and every post should go through. is that better?!!?!?September 9, 2011 3:17 pm at 3:17 pm #807887
it is permitted to listen to lashon harah (though not to believe it) for a toeles.
obominators question is more difficultSeptember 9, 2011 3:19 pm at 3:19 pm #807888StamperMember
Is there a toeles here? What is it?September 9, 2011 3:21 pm at 3:21 pm #807889
adorable – read the parentheses in the OP where I clearly state that its not my point.September 9, 2011 3:21 pm at 3:21 pm #807890
so whats the answer? dont tell me ur leaving now because some guy started a troll thread.September 9, 2011 3:23 pm at 3:23 pm #807891
80 – How do you listen to LH and not belive it? Pretty hard, No?September 9, 2011 3:23 pm at 3:23 pm #807892chanieMember
Lets ask ourselves another question. If every Rov, Admor, Rosh Hayeshivos and Poskim assured the internet, what is the heter for being on it. If it is for business that is another story, but for coffee rooms and the like the answer is the yetzer horah.September 9, 2011 3:31 pm at 3:31 pm #807893
LOL…September 9, 2011 3:37 pm at 3:37 pm #807894
the toeles as regards the op point, which is why is it mutar for moderators to listen to l’h. you can figure out the toeles for yourselfSeptember 9, 2011 3:38 pm at 3:38 pm #807895
should all forms of communication be assur because someone might use them to say L’H?
all forms of writing?
should speaking be assur?September 9, 2011 3:39 pm at 3:39 pm #807896
r-b yes its hardSeptember 9, 2011 3:42 pm at 3:42 pm #807897
Posts are being pulled today which include no L”HSeptember 9, 2011 3:42 pm at 3:42 pm #807898Feif UnParticipant
Mod-80 – if your Rav says the phone is assur, would you stop using it?September 9, 2011 3:46 pm at 3:46 pm #807899YW Moderator-20Moderator
Why is it muttar to keep our ears on? Oh the amount of gossip we hear with those ears.September 9, 2011 3:58 pm at 3:58 pm #807900
80- YOU MUST BE A REAL TZADDIK! AND YES I DO MEAN TO SCREAM NOW! YOU CAN HEAR IT ALL DAY AND NOT BELIEVE IT? WOW I WANNA SIT NEAR YOU AFTER 120!September 9, 2011 4:06 pm at 4:06 pm #807901I can only tryMember
– People get money-saving advice and info.
– People who have real problems get advice, sympathy and empathy.
– Halocha and learning are discussed.
– Career and job information is solicited and given.
– Topics of interest and hobbies are discussed.
– Recipes are exchanged.
– Useful info on a wide variety of topics is exchanged.
– Tehilim is requested.
There is really no other forum where frum people can do the above in an acceptable environment.
The moderators are accepting a level of responsibility by what they do, and they deserve thanks for that (as well as the time spent, obviously).September 9, 2011 4:07 pm at 4:07 pm #807902Feif UnParticipant
Mod-20 – in a few weeks, on Erev Yom Kippur, make sure you say tefillas zakah. It answers your question.September 9, 2011 4:17 pm at 4:17 pm #807903
I have a question for the mods. What is worse: A post that discusses clean non-Jewish music or a post that openly bashes or embarrasses another person?September 9, 2011 4:20 pm at 4:20 pm #807904
well thats not an easy question at all since in at least one very real sense there is no one here actually to be embarrased.September 9, 2011 4:21 pm at 4:21 pm #807905
why do you ask?
to prove that there is nothing wrong with discussing goyish culture on a Yeshivish site?September 9, 2011 4:24 pm at 4:24 pm #807906
I’m pretty sure there are people here that have gotten embarrassed, or at least ashamed, ridiculed, or confronted. My question was in no way meant to be disrespectful! I was really just curious.September 9, 2011 4:36 pm at 4:36 pm #807907MindOverChatterParticipant
“if your Rav says the phone is assur, would you stop using it?”
If a rav assurs something for no reason, then I’d probably try to find out what it is about it that’s assur and ask some more poskim.
But why are we discussing this? Did a rav EVER give out such a p’sak? No rav ever did such a reckless thing, and you know it. So stop pretending the Internet is as neutral as the phone.September 9, 2011 4:37 pm at 4:37 pm #807908
80 – Sorry but I don’t think it’s possible.September 9, 2011 4:39 pm at 4:39 pm #807909
“in at least one very real sense there is no one here actually to be embarrassed.”
In another real sense, there is EVERYBODY here who can actually be embarrassed, insulted, and feel the need to leave.
I’ve been here a shortish time (to quote kapusta), but long enough to have seen this phenomenon SEVERAL times already.September 9, 2011 4:41 pm at 4:41 pm #807910
adorable – What is a troll about this? Its a legite question.September 9, 2011 4:42 pm at 4:42 pm #807911
80 – Sorry but I don’t think it’s possible
okay, we’ll just throw that Halachah out the window then.
ill sent a memo to the CC Heritage Foundation to strike it from their booksSeptember 9, 2011 4:43 pm at 4:43 pm #807912
MiddlePath has a point. I’ve seen many times where posters have been rude/disrespectful to one another (If I’ve ever done so, I’m sorry). It’s true that this is online, but there is a person behind the screen.
What’s the use in guarding yourself from non-Jewish music if you’re going to talk to your fellow Jew in such a manner (even if it is online).September 9, 2011 4:44 pm at 4:44 pm #807913
thats why the question of comparison is difficult.September 9, 2011 4:44 pm at 4:44 pm #807914bombmaniacParticipant
i dont think you really understand how much people are invested in their online personas. so many people have specific reasons why they are online and their online personas are built around that. when you offend that, you offend them and it could be even worse than in real life because like i said many times their online personas are the vulnerabilities which they would never expose IRL but feel comfortable exposing online.
for example. if you have someone who suffers from depression but doesnt tell anyone IRl then comes online and someone offends him, it could drive that person to suicide because they invested their deepest feelings and emotions and vulnerabilities in their online persona, stuff which they never expose IRL, so when that gets attacked its the last straw. when you offend someone online you are offending a “alter ego” of somebody REAL sitting by a real computer in a real house. that person put their real feelings into their online world. be careful what you do with them. its not so pashut.September 9, 2011 4:47 pm at 4:47 pm #807915
“to prove that there is nothing wrong with discussing goyish culture on a Yeshivish site?”
80, I find a few things wrong with that question. First, I never said there is nothing wrong with it, I asked which is worse. Which means that I think there actually can very well be something wrong with it (at least some of it). Second, I don’t think I’ve ever discussed “goyish culture”, merely a few names of non-Jewish songs and bands. Third, I don’t think this is a solely “yeshivish” site. It is Yeshiva World, not Yeshivish World, and there are many people who associate themselves with a yeshiva, but not yeshivish.
I really do not intend to be disrespectful at all! If you know me well enough, I really try to be as sensitive and respectful as possible.
But even so, I will try to always remember not to post my discussions about non-Jewish music here. I realize it upsets people, and I respect that.September 9, 2011 4:49 pm at 4:49 pm #807916Climbing mountainsMember
When we were in school, people used to moderate our books too. We’d get them with pages torn out and words crossed over.
Same for books and productions that get endorsements from Rabbanim. They obviously read it over before it goes to print to make sure it’s okay. Who gave them the heter to read these things with the possibility of coming across things that are questionable?
That’s why not every random person who wishes to be moderator is chosen.September 9, 2011 4:53 pm at 4:53 pm #807917
Thanks for responding.
What are your guidelines other than screening for l”h in determining when to pull comments?September 9, 2011 4:58 pm at 4:58 pm #807918
Middle- I think your post is amazing. you dont necessarily see what is wrong with posting about their bands and songs but you were asked not to and you respect that you dont wanna hurt anyone and you are backing down-without trying to fight the system!September 9, 2011 4:58 pm at 4:58 pm #807919
who is everyone arguing with.
of course people can feel embarrasment when they have foolishly invested an illusory persona in an online character. as i said there is one aspect of this that makes MPs question difficult to answer.
we pull many rude and insulting posts, every day. including your recent one bombmaniac making fun of a mother who was worried about her child.
one who demands sensitivity from others must be very careful to return it in kind.September 9, 2011 5:07 pm at 5:07 pm #807920bombmaniacParticipant
yup. i know im not perfect and its something i need to work on.September 9, 2011 5:07 pm at 5:07 pm #807921I can only tryMember
FWIW I’ve seen enough of your posts that there’s zero possibility in my mind that you have any bad intent with your posts.
This site being what it is, there’s strong filtering that’s done on several topics and types of posts.
Personally, I’ve had posts rejected, too – so be it.
(There are a variety of subjects which I’m interested in that I don’t post on or minimally post on over here, simply because it doesnt fit.)September 9, 2011 5:18 pm at 5:18 pm #807922
I don’t like calling anyone out, but I want to show an example:
“of course people can feel embarrasment when they have foolishly invested an illusory persona in an online character”
You see right here, this can offend hundreds of people. Nobody knows what others are going through. The fact that you are not one of these people who are forced to create a fictional persona to deal with life does not mean others who have done this are “foolish”. One thing I noticed that is very lacking in our frum communities is acceptance. Everyone has lead different kind so of lives, been in hard situations. They deal with it the best way they can. We all need to understand that and accept the person for who he/she is.September 9, 2011 5:23 pm at 5:23 pm #807923
I didn’t understand why some posts on the Smile thread were pulled; they were not rude nor insulting. Au contraire, they were full of sharing smiles & positive cheer.
Sometimes I see that the positive ones are pulled, while the negative ones are left and I’m trying to understand the ?????.
This is not intended in any way to negate appreciation to the dedication and time on the part of the mods.September 9, 2011 5:30 pm at 5:30 pm #807924
80 – Can you please explain me how you go about not beliveing it? And is it takka a toeles, (meaning, who said the cr has to be around, are you allowed to make a case where you will need to come onto listening LH?)September 9, 2011 5:32 pm at 5:32 pm #807925
20 – I don’t see any comparison.September 9, 2011 5:32 pm at 5:32 pm #807926
It is Yeshiva World, not Yeshivish World, and there are many people who associate themselves with a yeshiva, but not yeshivish
the defining criteria for this site are not based soley on its name
and yes your posts are always respectful and a pleasureSeptember 9, 2011 5:58 pm at 5:58 pm #807927
Sometimes I see that the positive ones are pulled, while the negative ones are left and I’m trying to understand the ?????.
time to get your vision checked
there were no posts deleted from the smile threadSeptember 9, 2011 6:07 pm at 6:07 pm #807928
My vision is B”H fine ba”h, thank you.
The posts have been restored in the interim. At the time I had written, they had indeed vanished. Usually one can track the changes, since you might be skeptical that what I am saying is indeed true.
The OP for the DA thread was there earlier, but it is currently gone.
Unless it’s been restored while I am writing you.
I am curious what was found wrong with it today as opposed to yesterday, and in general why a PORTION of a post can’t be deleted rather than the entire one.September 9, 2011 6:10 pm at 6:10 pm #807929
i never saw any deleted posts on the smile thread, maybe someone else deleted and then restored them, not likely but if you saw it, okaySeptember 9, 2011 6:12 pm at 6:12 pm #807930
80 – can you answer please?September 9, 2011 6:13 pm at 6:13 pm #807931
“I am curious what was found wrong with it today as opposed to yesterday, “
“and in general why a PORTION of a post can’t be deleted rather than the entire one. “
it canSeptember 9, 2011 6:27 pm at 6:27 pm #807932
Hence my original question.
What are your guidelines for pulling posts?
It would give us an idea what not to include in future.
The DA OP could have been shortened &/or modified.
Now Aries feels that I have been oblivious to or denying the issue at hand till now, when not only am I aware but my purpose is to find SOLUTIONS to the problem that made us once again aware of its existence. Awareness of a problem is HALF the battle.September 9, 2011 6:29 pm at 6:29 pm #807933mikehall12382Member
I don’t mind the Moderators, However I feel that they should moderate and not contribute to the threads they are moderating…seems like an unfair bias
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