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  • #1190421

    feivel
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    “Wake up! This man is like nobody who has ever been nominated for President before”

    Bingo! (As charliehall is wont to say)

    #1190422

    Health
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    CTlawyer -“It doesn’t matter if the Secy of Defense knew of the danger or not”

    It does matter – therefore the blame lies with Hillary!

    #1190423

    Health
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    Charlie -“All the factcheckers have consistently found that Clinton is mostly truthful”

    Well – would she be truthful that she caused the death of Americans, including an Ambassador to Libya?!?

    #1190424

    Health
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    EV -“Hillary will be indicted, so the real question is will it be Bernie or Trump.”

    Even if she is – Pres. Obama will pardon her.

    So it will be Hillary or Trump!

    #1190425

    Avi K
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    “Mostly truthful” – she made 10 million statements in her life and 5 million + 1 were truthful (and those 5 million + 1 include correctly stating her name, stating that Chelsea is her daughter, etc.).

    #1190426

    mw13
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    ROB:

    Personally I hope they start a third-conservative- party.

    +1

    #1190427

    mw13
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    From a recent piece by Maureen Dowd titled “Donald the Dove, Hillary the Hawk”:

    Just as Barack Obama seemed the more feminized candidate in 2008 because of his talk-it-out management style, his antiwar platform and his delicate eating habits, always watching his figure, so now, in some ways, Trump seems less macho than Hillary.

    The prime example of commander-in-chief judgment Trump offers is the fact that, like Obama, he thought the invasion of Iraq was a stupid idea.

    He can sound belligerent, of course, saying that he would bomb the expletive-deleted out of ISIS and that he would think up new and imaginative ways to torture terrorists and kill their families.

    But he says that in most cases he would rather do the art of the deal than shock and awe.

    You can actually envision a foreign policy debate between Trump and Clinton that sounds oddly like the one Obama and Clinton had in 2008, with Trump playing Obama, preening about his good judgment on Iraq, wanting an end to nation-building and thinking he could have a reset with Russia.

    #1190428

    I think (know) that both are really not the best but I think Donald Trump is better.

    #1190429

    mw13
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    #1190430

    mw13
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    CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER: Of course it makes him look at if he cares more about a personal vendetta than he does about the party or the ideas he espouses. As if he is, he is, that’s the point. He’s revealing who he is. This isn’t some gaffe or accident. If it were something he threw off, and then realizes he was a little over the time, he had ample opportunity over the weekend to retract, to move away. Instead he doubled down. He widened the net of sort of non-Americans or people who aren’t impartial because of their ethnicity beyond Mexican-Americans to now include Muslim.

    This isn’t a guy who has made a false step, of course he did. But the larger point is, he’s revealing who he is. It is not just that those who have now decided to throw in and support him for party unity or whatever reasons have made a tactical mistake in getting behind him. They have to ask themselves, morally, is this the man you want to be the leader of your party? That’s what’s at stake here. That’s why it’s a bigger issue.

    #1190431

    mw13
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    From Politico:

    By the end of the day, Trump had issued a new statement blaming the media for his problems, without apologizing to the Indiana-born federal judge, Gonzalo Curiel, who is presiding over lawsuits against Trump University. Trump then declared he was done commenting on the matter.

    But the damage was already done.

    Kirk’s statement could hardly have been more pointed had it been written by a Democrat.

    Kirk later told reporters that he would write in former Gen. David Petraeus as his choice for president.

    It was a stunning repudiation of the party’s nominee by a sitting senator, and one that shows just how much of a liability some in the GOP believe Trump has become. These denizens of the “Republican establishment” were raised on the idea of party unity and loyalty: You back your guy no matter what. But Trump is straining that loyalty to the breaking point for many Republicans, and beyond for some.

    “Claiming a person can’t do their job because of their race is sort of like the textbook definition of a racist comment,” Ryan said during a news conference to unveil the new Republican anti-poverty plan. “If you say something that’s wrong, I think the mature and responsible thing is to acknowledge it.”

    But then a Trump surrogate bizarrely accused Ryan of being a racist himself, a perfect example of the circus that surrounds the Republican nominee.

    [Mitch] McConnell is playing this. These people have run and hid and borrowed the Democratic agenda of playing the race card.”

    #1190432

    Must you?

    How about a summary or a link?

    #1190433

    screwdriverdelight
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    Why is it that only candidates from a major party make it?

    #1190434

    mw13
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    Sorry. I actually wasn’t sure if it would be posted, but I decided to take the risk 😉 But I’ll try to keep it down to bite-sized pieces.

    Also, about that link idea…

    #1190435

    Easier for me. I can delete them without reading them.

    #1190436

    mw13
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    Lol 🙂

    #1190437

    Sam2
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    We need a conservative to run as an independent. That person could actually win. I really don’t get why neither Kasich nor Romney will do it. Romney would have a real shot at this election. I don’t get why he keeps on refusing it.

    #1190438

    Avi K
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    Sam, the most an independent can do is throw the election into the House. All that has been written about Trump is true but Clinton is just as bad. She was fired from the Watergate committee staff for unethical behavior, participated in the Whitewater fraud, caused the deaths of American diplomats and laughed about getting a rapist off scot-free by taking advantage of a prosecutor’s error (which may have been a breach of attorney-client privilege). However, Trump is in favor of building settlements and his adviser on Israel is a frum Jew who heads the American Friends of the Bet-el Yeshiva. That makes him our bum (to paraphrase FDR’s comment about Somoza).

    #1190439

    Abba_S
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    Each candidate has their flaws. I think what is going to happen is that before the convention Hillary will be indited in the email server investigation and replaced by Bidden who will unify the Democratic Party and win the election

    #1190441

    147
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    Following the Florida Shovu’os massacre, clearly President Donald Trump is so correct to frame Moslems. This mass murderer had been eyed by the authorities, but because of political correctness, was free to roam the streets & murder 50 people.

    #1190442

    Avi K
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    147, you should learn American slang before you use it. “Frame” means to cause an innocent person to be blamed for a crime.

    #1190443

    mw13
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    147, Trump has only (so far) suggested banning Muslims from entering the country; but the Orlando terrorist was born and bred here in the US, so Trump’s plans wouldn’t have stopped him anyways.

    #1190444

    Joseph
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    mw13: It would have stopped his parents from coming and his birth taking place here.

    #1190445

    mw13
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    Yeah, if he could travel back in time. But I think even Trump hasn’t (yet) claimed to be able to do that.

    #1190446

    Joseph
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    So then what’s the difference that Trump’s plan wouldn’t have stopped him because he was born here, that you pointed out? Even if he had been a Muslim born in Afghanistan Trump’s plan wouldn’t have stopped him — because Trump’s plan wouldn’t go back in time.

    #1190447

    mw13
    Participant

    A brief (mo-29, just for you;) snippet from:

    Trump’s terrorism address, fact-checked

    By Louis Nelson

    Donald Trump sharply criticized Hillary Clinton and President Barack Obama on Monday, saying their incompetent immigration and national security policies allowed attacks like the mass killing in Orlando and claiming that, barring a change in course, terrorists would leave Americans “without our country.”

    But while some of Trump’s statements were accurate, many were based on a stretch of, or outright disregard for, the facts at hand.

    Trump’s most prominent stretch is linking the attack to immigration, given that the shooter, Omar Mateen, was a native-born U.S. citizen. Even if one stretches blame to the decision to allow Mateen’s parents to enter the U.S., that was decades before Obama took office or Clinton held her post at the head of the State Department.

    Trump’s flirtation with fiction went further Monday. Here’s what he said in his address that passes factual muster, and what falls short.

    No gray area here: Omar Mateen was born in New York City 29 years ago.

    #1190448

    Joseph
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    That doesn’t address the contradiction between your two earlier comments that I pointed out.

    #1190449

    👑RebYidd23
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    Rich people like Donald and Hillary don’t play board games. Instead, they play Presidential Elections.

    #1190450

    Health
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    Mw13 -“Trump’s terrorism address, fact-checked”

    Even if you’re right, banning assault weapons would Not stop mass killings! Only the DemonCrats think that.

    At least Trump is going in the right direction!

    Do you know how they got killed in Boston?

    You can learn how to make a bomb from the internet.

    #1190451

    mw13
    Participant

    So ban the internet. Should be easier than rounding up all the Muslims.

    #1190452

    oomis
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    Clinton – LO mit an Aleph.

    Trump – not my first choice, but he still Trumps Clinton.

    #1190453

    Health
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    Mw13 -“should be easier than rounding up all the Muslims.”

    Where did you get that from? All Trump said was not letting in more Muslims, not rounding up the ones that are already here!

    #1190454

    Sam2
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    mw13: The better fact-check is that the country of “Afghan” doesn’t exist.

    #1190455

    Health
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    If the vote in Britain mimics here, and the election goes right wing, – goodbye liberal DemonCrats!

    #1190456

    👑RebYidd23
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    The election can’t go right-wing because there is no right-wing candidate.

    #1190457

    Health
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    Yidd23 -“The election can’t go right-wing because there is no right-wing candidate.”

    I mean Republican instead of DemonCrat!

    #1190458

    👑RebYidd23
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    The RINO is running against a DINO this time.

    #1190461

    cherrybim
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    Whose worse, Y’rovom ben N’vot or Kozbi bas Tzur?

    #1190462

    mw13
    Participant

    The Thesaurus Problem

    I used to think that Hitlerism and Fascism could never find a home in America because, unlike Germany, America does not have a history of aggression and militarism. But with the dehumanizing elements of society now crawling out from under the rocks and being legitimized, one can no longer be sanguine. Ten million people have voted for him in the primaries. Not all of them are noxious, but millions clearly are.

    #1190463

    Health
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    MW13 -“The very worst thing about this election is that one of them will win. The American voter is faced with what has been called the evil of two lessers.”

    The fact is Trump is the lesser of two evils!

    Look at the way they both have treated the people under them.

    I watched the video posted on YWN from the former secret service agent.

    And by researching Trump, I haven’t found any employees that had something negative to say about him!

    #1190464

    Sam2
    Participant

    And by researching Trump, I haven’t found any employees that had something negative to say about him!

    Then you haven’t researched Trump. There are literally thousands of them. A simple Google search will show you that.

    #1190465

    farrockgrandma
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    1. Donald Trump is America’s Howard Beale moment.

    2. Far more likely that Trump will learn to be “Presidential” than that Hillary Clinton will be honest.

    3. Trump’s biggest fault is that he’s not a professional politician. Haven’t we had enough of those?

    #1190466

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    Trump’s biggest fault is that he’s not a professional politician.

    No it isn’t. His biggest fault is that he’s a vulgar person.

    #1190467

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton are both disgusting people and they both have the same opinions on all the issues.

    #1190468

    Health
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    Sam2 -“Then you haven’t researched Trump. There are literally thousands of them. A simple Google search will show you that.”

    Stop with your liberal lies!

    I actually did a Google search & this is what I found:

    From a black female employee:

    Do you know that it’s against the Torah to lie & manipulate?!?

    #1190469

    roger green
    Blocked

    It seems to me that bashing Trump , as some unspeakable horror has become very stylish among the elite writers in our circles (anash).I respectfully differ.While I fully understand that Trump can come off as an arrogant,uncouth,and ignorant man,I still believe there’s a great heart and significant intellect behind the personna being projected.I think it took great courage to address the Islamic problem currently infesting our planet.All the issues he currently addresses are valid!Hopefully he’ll hire the best people he can for resolution of these problems.The alternative is a vicious, murderous,lying sociopath,with zero concience ,moral compass or any compassion for her fellow man(or woman).

    #1190470

    dbrim
    Participant

    Agreed! Thanks for being a voice of sanity in this upsidedown world.

    #1190471

    mw13
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    #1190472

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    Torture is unethical.

    #1190473

    Avi K
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