January 1, 2011 4:57 pm at 4:57 pm #593870Torah HashkafaMember
Why is Yiddish considered a holy language if it is made up of German and other languages?January 2, 2011 12:03 am at 12:03 am #723826
Because of the countless Torah learnt in it by Gedolei Yisroel for over 1,000 years. And the fact that it was the lingo franco, common tongue, of Klal Yisroel for a thousand years plus.January 2, 2011 12:15 am at 12:15 am #723827
The “holy tongue” is Hebrew. Aramaic is secondarily holy because the Gemara was written in it.
Yiddish when it was spoken as the daily language of most Ashkenazi Jews was no more holy than English is in the US today. It had plenty of not so holy uses the same as any spoken language. The Forvetz (Forward), was at one time one of the most anti-religious newspapers in NYC, and it was published in Yiddish. (Now it’s not anti-religious, just non-religious, and it’s printed in English.)
In the US and – I believe – in Israel there has been a dispute because when the first Torah-observant immigrants came from Europe, they learned Torah in Yiddish because that was their mother tongue and some Gedolim insist that the tradition be carried on. Other Gedolim here in the US, such as Reb Moshe zatzal and Reb Yaakov zatzal, poskened that children should be taught Torah in the language they think in. For most students in the US outside of BP and Willy that would mean English.
So is Yiddish holy? Depends on who you ask. It’s all a matter of history.January 2, 2011 12:16 am at 12:16 am #723828
And if you ask a Sefardi, he’ll probably ask, “What’s Yiddish?” Their daily language before/outside of Israel was/is Arabic or Persian.January 2, 2011 12:42 am at 12:42 am #723829popa_bar_abbaParticipant
There is only one topic which we are willing to continually re-discuss. This is not it.
(Hint: it rhymes with shmidduchim)January 2, 2011 12:45 am at 12:45 am #723830cantoresqMember
Who says it is? And if it is a holy language, is Ladino as well?January 2, 2011 1:23 am at 1:23 am #723831ItcheSrulikMember
The forvetz was never the most anti-religious paper in NYC. That “honor” goes to the freiheitz which was worse. Ladino is not a holy language because sefardim have thankfully not succumbed to that particular fallacy.January 2, 2011 4:44 am at 4:44 am #723832
In recent years, I think Ladino fell out of daily use, and Arabic replaced it, although it remains a language of beautiful music and poetry.January 2, 2011 5:08 am at 5:08 am #723833metrodriverMember
Midwest2; Sorry to say. You are factually wrong. The Sephardic Jews have a common language that is the equivalent of Yiddish to Ashkenazi Jews. That language is Ladino. It is based on Spanish with Hebrew and Arabic words mixed in. There were many Seforim authored in Ladino. One of the most famous is “Yalkut M’am Loez”, by R. Yaakov Koolee. It’s written in Hebrew letters.January 2, 2011 5:35 am at 5:35 am #723834charliehallParticipant
“And if you ask a Sefardi, he’ll probably ask, “What’s Yiddish?” Their daily language before/outside of Israel was/is Arabic or Persian. “
Or Ladino, as others have noted.
There are more sefarim in Ladino than in Yiddish. There are more sefarim in Arabic than in Yiddish. There are more sefarim in English than in Yiddish. I’m not anti-Yiddish, but facts are facts.January 2, 2011 5:56 am at 5:56 am #723835
That’s because the Yiddish speaking Gedolim of the past 1,000 years have written their Seforim HaKedoshim in Loshon Kodesh — which isn’t an everyday spoken language.January 2, 2011 6:10 am at 6:10 am #723836RuffRuffMember
I heard that the Rambam’s Arabic Seforim were actually written in a Judao-Arabic language.
Popa, that was genuinely very funny. I actually LedOL.January 2, 2011 6:14 am at 6:14 am #723837HomeownerMember
I’ve been here only a few months and this topic keeps coming up.
I think French is more a “holy language” than Yiddish since before Yiddish even existed, Rashi used French in his commentary on the Torah.January 2, 2011 7:40 am at 7:40 am #723838ZachKessinMember
I don’t particularly think that Yiddish is holy that being said I spent a summer living with my grandparents when I was a teen and I will say that I regret not having them teach me some yiddish.
They are secular but like most Jews of that generation in the USA they grew up speaking Yiddish at home and English at school (My grandfather also learned German, Latin and French)
The amazing thing is when a year or two ago a doctor asked him to write a sentence for some form of test he wrote out the first line of the Aenied, which he had learned in High School. He will be 99 this march!January 2, 2011 2:11 pm at 2:11 pm #723839yeshivabochur123Participant
My bubby A”H always used to say that hashem taught the torah to moshe rabbeinu in yiddish on har sinai and then when he came down he taught the torah in yiddish to the klal. some people didn’t want to learn the new language so Moshe rabbeinu finally gave up and split the klal into ashkenazim (those who learned yiddish) and sefardim (those who didn’t).January 2, 2011 6:53 pm at 6:53 pm #723840not IMember
Yiddish is a holy langauage casue it is a language spoken by the Jews, and Only Jews!Has significance cause used as a hefresh between us and goyim! Is the key to keep us as yidden!January 2, 2011 8:43 pm at 8:43 pm #723841HomeownerMember
If I say “English is a holy language” will that motivate some here to learn it? 🙂January 2, 2011 9:41 pm at 9:41 pm #723842popa_bar_abbaParticipant
If I can speak German, and I know terms like “shabbos” and “yontif”, is that just as good?January 2, 2011 10:59 pm at 10:59 pm #723843lesschumrasParticipant
Jews have spoken aramaic, Greek and Arabic. Does taht make them holy?January 2, 2011 11:05 pm at 11:05 pm #723844
not I – Yiddish is a wonderful language, and I wish I knew more of it. However, Yiddish has only been the language of part of the Jewish people and for less than a thousand years. The hefresh is the Torah – knowing it and practicing it.January 3, 2011 12:23 am at 12:23 am #723845
Yes, Aramaic (like Yiddish) is holy.January 3, 2011 3:12 am at 3:12 am #723846well meaning busy bodyMember
trying my best Yes, Aramaic ??(like Yiddish)???is holy.
WRONG totally different
This has been discussed previously
andJanuary 3, 2011 3:31 am at 3:31 am #723847Pashuteh YidMember
Yiddish has been brought up in a number of older threads here. My main contribution to those threads is that I like the word Oisvarf. In addition, I also like the word hutzenplutz, but my Rebbe called it hutzenklutz which I like better.January 3, 2011 4:25 am at 4:25 am #723848shev143Member
Yeshivabochur123, I’m so sorry to hear that you grew up so misinformed and around such simple, uneducated people.
I’m glad you know better today.January 3, 2011 5:32 am at 5:32 am #723849Derech HaMelechMember
The Aramaic that we are talking about is only one dialect of Aramaic…the Jewish version of it.
Same for Spanish (Ladino), German (Yiddish)and Arabic (just called Judeo-Arabic I think).
To me it seems like we have a history of taking the main spoken languages of where we are and be megayer them.January 3, 2011 6:40 pm at 6:40 pm #723850Pashuteh YidMember
Shev143, why did you insult YeshivaBochur123? He told a cute joke. I really think you owe him an apology.
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