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  • #593870

    Why is Yiddish considered a holy language if it is made up of German and other languages?

    #723826

    Because of the countless Torah learnt in it by Gedolei Yisroel for over 1,000 years. And the fact that it was the lingo franco, common tongue, of Klal Yisroel for a thousand years plus.

    #723827

    Midwest2
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    The “holy tongue” is Hebrew. Aramaic is secondarily holy because the Gemara was written in it.

    Yiddish when it was spoken as the daily language of most Ashkenazi Jews was no more holy than English is in the US today. It had plenty of not so holy uses the same as any spoken language. The Forvetz (Forward), was at one time one of the most anti-religious newspapers in NYC, and it was published in Yiddish. (Now it’s not anti-religious, just non-religious, and it’s printed in English.)

    In the US and – I believe – in Israel there has been a dispute because when the first Torah-observant immigrants came from Europe, they learned Torah in Yiddish because that was their mother tongue and some Gedolim insist that the tradition be carried on. Other Gedolim here in the US, such as Reb Moshe zatzal and Reb Yaakov zatzal, poskened that children should be taught Torah in the language they think in. For most students in the US outside of BP and Willy that would mean English.

    So is Yiddish holy? Depends on who you ask. It’s all a matter of history.

    #723828

    Midwest2
    Participant

    And if you ask a Sefardi, he’ll probably ask, “What’s Yiddish?” Their daily language before/outside of Israel was/is Arabic or Persian.

    #723829

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    There is only one topic which we are willing to continually re-discuss. This is not it.

    (Hint: it rhymes with shmidduchim)

    #723830

    cantoresq
    Member

    Who says it is? And if it is a holy language, is Ladino as well?

    #723831

    ItcheSrulik
    Member

    The forvetz was never the most anti-religious paper in NYC. That “honor” goes to the freiheitz which was worse. Ladino is not a holy language because sefardim have thankfully not succumbed to that particular fallacy.

    #723832

    Midwest2
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    In recent years, I think Ladino fell out of daily use, and Arabic replaced it, although it remains a language of beautiful music and poetry.

    #723833

    metrodriver
    Member

    Midwest2; Sorry to say. You are factually wrong. The Sephardic Jews have a common language that is the equivalent of Yiddish to Ashkenazi Jews. That language is Ladino. It is based on Spanish with Hebrew and Arabic words mixed in. There were many Seforim authored in Ladino. One of the most famous is “Yalkut M’am Loez”, by R. Yaakov Koolee. It’s written in Hebrew letters.

    #723834

    charliehall
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    “And if you ask a Sefardi, he’ll probably ask, “What’s Yiddish?” Their daily language before/outside of Israel was/is Arabic or Persian. “

    Or Ladino, as others have noted.

    There are more sefarim in Ladino than in Yiddish. There are more sefarim in Arabic than in Yiddish. There are more sefarim in English than in Yiddish. I’m not anti-Yiddish, but facts are facts.

    #723835

    That’s because the Yiddish speaking Gedolim of the past 1,000 years have written their Seforim HaKedoshim in Loshon Kodesh — which isn’t an everyday spoken language.

    #723836

    RuffRuff
    Member

    I heard that the Rambam’s Arabic Seforim were actually written in a Judao-Arabic language.

    Popa, that was genuinely very funny. I actually LedOL.

    #723837

    Homeowner
    Member

    I’ve been here only a few months and this topic keeps coming up.

    I think French is more a “holy language” than Yiddish since before Yiddish even existed, Rashi used French in his commentary on the Torah.

    #723838

    ZachKessin
    Member

    I don’t particularly think that Yiddish is holy that being said I spent a summer living with my grandparents when I was a teen and I will say that I regret not having them teach me some yiddish.

    They are secular but like most Jews of that generation in the USA they grew up speaking Yiddish at home and English at school (My grandfather also learned German, Latin and French)

    The amazing thing is when a year or two ago a doctor asked him to write a sentence for some form of test he wrote out the first line of the Aenied, which he had learned in High School. He will be 99 this march!

    #723839

    yeshivabochur123
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    My bubby A”H always used to say that hashem taught the torah to moshe rabbeinu in yiddish on har sinai and then when he came down he taught the torah in yiddish to the klal. some people didn’t want to learn the new language so Moshe rabbeinu finally gave up and split the klal into ashkenazim (those who learned yiddish) and sefardim (those who didn’t).

    #723840

    not I
    Member

    Yiddish is a holy langauage casue it is a language spoken by the Jews, and Only Jews!Has significance cause used as a hefresh between us and goyim! Is the key to keep us as yidden!

    #723841

    Homeowner
    Member

    If I say “English is a holy language” will that motivate some here to learn it? 🙂

    #723842

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    If I can speak German, and I know terms like “shabbos” and “yontif”, is that just as good?

    #723843

    lesschumras
    Participant

    Jews have spoken aramaic, Greek and Arabic. Does taht make them holy?

    #723844

    Midwest2
    Participant

    not I – Yiddish is a wonderful language, and I wish I knew more of it. However, Yiddish has only been the language of part of the Jewish people and for less than a thousand years. The hefresh is the Torah – knowing it and practicing it.

    #723845

    Yes, Aramaic (like Yiddish) is holy.

    #723846

    trying my best Yes, Aramaic ??(like Yiddish)???is holy.

    WRONG totally different

    This has been discussed previously

    http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/targum-onkelos-msinai-definiion-olease

    and

    http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/aramaicladino-yiddish-judeo-_-from-when-why

    #723847

    Pashuteh Yid
    Member

    Yiddish has been brought up in a number of older threads here. My main contribution to those threads is that I like the word Oisvarf. In addition, I also like the word hutzenplutz, but my Rebbe called it hutzenklutz which I like better.

    #723848

    shev143
    Member

    Yeshivabochur123, I’m so sorry to hear that you grew up so misinformed and around such simple, uneducated people.

    I’m glad you know better today.

    #723849

    The Aramaic that we are talking about is only one dialect of Aramaic…the Jewish version of it.

    Same for Spanish (Ladino), German (Yiddish)and Arabic (just called Judeo-Arabic I think).

    To me it seems like we have a history of taking the main spoken languages of where we are and be megayer them.

    #723850

    Pashuteh Yid
    Member

    Shev143, why did you insult YeshivaBochur123? He told a cute joke. I really think you owe him an apology.

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