ahavas yisroel chinum

mod-80; Please no need to all work up or personal. Obviously, you are correct, but being a Yid or not is irrelevant, as is if I am a Amcho Yid, a Talmud Chochom, a Dayan, or a Rov, what counts is what a “person” says, I only brought down things that are included in Harcheik Min Hachiur Umin “Hadoimeh” Loi. Also none of G’morois, Midroshim, Poiskim, were speaking about Blogs as there was no such a thing, but notice that I only brought down things that specificaly refer to the Inyon of K’dushoh V’taharoh by K’lal Yisroel, Its Isurim otherwise, Its S’char if Yes. And Please read through “everything that I have written anywhere on a any post & you will see that I never impleid to close anything down, only to keep our distances between the genders.

To tell you the truth, I haven’t the patience to read through your entire posts. You seem like a fine Yid, I think I’ll just stay out of this…80

Areivimzehlazeh; Thanx again for your input, You are correct. & btw to anyone wondering, there is a Montebello NY.

Areivim; Thanx for checking them out, I really appreciate it since here in Asia I have nothing but the basic few S’forim with me. As for kicking anyone out, you are correct, I havn’t said to kick anyone out, just that people we should refrain from directly addressing someone identified as being from the opposite gender! & as I said in the General 2 days ago, I’m writing this also as a reminder to myself. For everyone else out there that wants to know how we who is what, we don’t, but if someone identifies themselves as such, anyone from the opposite gender should not address that person directly. Also the issue was not a Hechsher but rather a P’sak if it’s Muttor or Osur to to speak with the other gender S’tam Divrei Hevel, & let’s not forget the question from before, are we allowed to shake hands? (btw, I’m probably older then most here & have been traveling for a long time, I am “very” respected all over, for not shaking hands, & for never Shmoozing with someone from the other gender or looking @ them directly). As for the reason I write the way I do, other then the one mentioned, is 1) to keep it short & to the point. 2) Not to leave room for saying I misquoted. 3) Most important of all, not to say things that I should not. 4) To try my best not to make it sound personal. Again Please do not assume that I am fanatic, on my 1st posts in the CR, in the, What to when parents don’t want a Shidduch, I sound just the opposite, here from the ultra right & there from the left, but the Toirah is Nitzchis, given by Hashem, & he asks us to be K’doishim “K’doishim Tih’u Ki Kodoish Ani Hashem M’kadishchem, & he also asked us to do only good & accept every Yid no matter what. btw, This is also on the rules outside the door to my house, & anyone that judges others is not welcome, Therefor at any given time it’s full of all differant types, Chassidish, Litvish, Y’shivish, Modern, Ashk’nazi, S’fardi, Teimoni.

mod-80; As i said before it’s not a problem to get a Rav to say anything these days, even if I’ll bring the biggest Poiskei Hador to give a live Shiur saying 1 thing, 100 others bring their own Rav to say otherwise, even if Moisheh Rabbeinu would say Ossur, someone will say he’s to old & doesn’t remember, V’ho Raayoh, plenty have been brought down by others (& I have to compliment them, especially Joseph), and we still have to bring a Rav, even the Memrois of the G’moro were not enough, so maybe I’ll do something I said I will not do albeit only a bit, (bring down what & where it says). 1) Even Hoezer Siman 21 S’if 7 Ein Shoialin Bishloim Isho K’lal Afilu Al Y’dei Sh’liach “V’afilu Al Y’dei Baloh” V’osur Lishloiach Lo Divrei Sh’loimim, even sending her the greeting is forbidden! 2) G’moroh Yuma 74: Omar Raish Lokish etc. & Rambam Hilchois T’shuvoh 4 Uk’var Kosvu Horishoinim, where you can see how the Yetzer has people do things that are not explicitly Osur Kdai Sheloi Y’hei Liboi Noikfoi V’yachazir Bit’shuvoh. 3) Maseches Kalloh 1 Omar R’ Elozor Kol Hshoiseh, even unintetionally. 4) G’moro Nidoh 13. Kol Hameivi….Ein Machnisin Oisoi Lim’chitzosoi Shel HKB”H & the Rambam explains V’im Poga B’machashovoh Chetoi Godoil B’harbeh 5) Chinuch 188 even if he knows he will not faulter. 6)Y’rushalmi B’rochois P’1 H’8 Omar HKB”H Im At Uhiv Liboch V’einoch Ano Yodaano D’at Dili, what A Z’chus & S’char 7) Midrash Shir Hashirim 3, 13 T’nino B’shem R’ Doiso, ….Omar Hakodoish Boruch Hu Mi Shehu Oimeid B’yetzer Shel Haznus Maaloh Ani Olov K’ilu Oimeid Bishteihem (including S’char for A”Z which is not around anymore & there is no other way to get S’char for it) 8) G’moro Makois 23: R’ Shimoin Bar Rebi….Gezel V’aroyois….Hapoiresh Meihem…..Sheyizkeh Loi U’l’doiroisov…..Ad Soif Kol Hadoirois. I can go on & on, on the Isurim,on the Oineshim, & on the S’char, but I think I’ve said enough V’idoch Pirusho Zil G’moir. As to a Psak, obviously The Chasidishe are a given that it’s Osur or most here might not care, as for Litvish & Y’shivish would a P’sak from a Godoil like R’ Belsky count? If yes, when I come back from Asia next week I’ll meet him right away. ps. I might be off on “some” of the words qouted, all though I tried to qoute as much as possible verbaitim, V’Hashem Hatoiv Y’chaper. I still love each one of you!

I did read everything before writing. 1) as to Bas 20 K’bas 120, please see the Rambam & Shulchun Oruch, regarding a man looking @ a old or a most disgusting women. 2) mod-42, where do you take it from that when a man walks on the street and a women passes the opposite way that he’s allowed to greet her? 3) Has everyone forgotten the the Posuk Ayeih Soroh Ishtecho? 4) It also says Al Tarbeh Sichoh Im Ho’ishoh, not Im Ishoh, for a very good reason. 5)Not calling married people of the other gender by their first names is not just a custom. 6) V’hoyoh Machanecho Kodoish is a D’oiraiso.

Joseph, As you so rightly assume, I like you, & I agree with you, but after reading through most of the posts, I have to say, I will not get into bringing M’koirois for everything although there are many more to bring down, where it states very clearly the Isur of shaking hands, simply because you’ll never finish arguing with the ones that are looking to do it! I also don’t want to get personal with anyone. But I do have a few comments, 1)Please be careful with your choise of words as they could be misunderstood, like your allowed to embarrass a Goi, I know what you meant, but some might not. Now I’m writing to everyone, 2)It’s not hard to get a Heter today for anything from a “Rav”, including women Davening for the Omud or worse things that I do not want to mention. 3)When the words “reportedly” are used about a P’sak, I’m dumbfounded. 4) Let’s not forget the G’morah on V’yad L’yad Loi Yinokeh, or, Hamistakel B’etzbah K’tanoh Shel Ishoh, and even if it is Muter,what about V’asu S’yug Latoirah? 5) To say women are differant, Chas V’sholoim, if anything, they are worse,(again I’m not getting into bringing referencess or the words written), 6) Who are they afraid to embarrass, the other person? NO! rather “themselves” 7)I have a huge house Boruch Hashem full of guest at all times & I have a list of rules outside the door that includes quite a few on Hilchois Tz’ni’us & no one has yet had a problem with it or gotten embarrassed. Please, I don’t want anyone to think that I am a Fannatic, I’m not! Most of my house is full of people that are not Chassidish or Yeshivish, also see what an impression I give, on the topic of “when parents don’t want a Shidduch”, Avol, Yikoiv Hadin Es Hohor, V’al Yisbayesh Mipnai Hamal’igim Olov Ba’avoidasoi Yisborach Sh’moi, applies by both posts, even if 1 sounds as if it’s from the right & the other as if from the left

Areivimzehlazeh, Remember what I wrote, that it is included in Harchaik Min Hachiur Umin Hadoimeh Loi, those are not my words, and their is also a Mitzva D’oiraisah of V’hoyo Machanecho Kodoish. Besides with a name like Areivimzehlazeh, I’m surprised at you. But I sure appreciate your nice words to me, Yiyasher Koichacho

Dear mods. I hope that none of these Shmoozers are known to be women (or girls), as Shmoozing Stam without reason, between the two genders, even if unknown to each other, is included in Harcheik Min Hachiur Umin Hadoimeh Loi. Not trying to give a Mussar Shmooze, only making ourselves aware, including myself!

You got it right esterh, it never good enough “for the parents”, not that it’s not good enough for children, and please let not anyone say that 30 year olds are not mature enough to know whats right for themselves. It almost always comes down to what Pases for the parents, not what Past for the kids. It’s time to stop labeling & discriminating against our fellow Yiddin. U’bizchus Zeh Nigo’el