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At this point there are still more questions than answers concerning any immunity that individuals who have recovered from the virus may have.
What is shameful is such appalling ignorance on the part of a /rosh yeshiva/. Now, I strongly suspect — and /hope/– that the poster-in-question does not actually hold such a position. But if that is the case, then why choose such a screen name– one that can so easily mislead others? And if he /is/, in fact, a rosh yeshiva, then he should have been ashamed to identify himself as such.
It’s possible to be a “frumroshyeshiva” and not realize something as obvious as the difference between <i>gezeiras hashmad</i> [persecution of those who practice Judaism] and <i>mageifah</i> [epidemic or pandemic]? That would be frightening enough but to then, utterly gratutiously identify yourself as a rosh yeshiva when posting here anonymously? Sir, have you <i>no</i> shame?
Klal Gadol that far too many overlook:
Even in an instance where an action or behavior would otherwise be permitted (which is far from clear in this and many other instances), one must always consider the ever-pertinent, ever-critical question of <i>eivah</i>; will the action or behavior-in-question incite, inflame or exacerbate animosity, resentment or hostility toward Jews? (Whether Jews in general, or any subset).
Test post. I am experiencing a lot of technical difficulties with YWN site. I cannot login successfully/ stay logged-in. My previous post to this thread vanished after submitting.
To admins:
Please be aware of the following contradictory behavior that I experienced after submitting my latest reply to this thread mere moments ago. The page refreshed with the message “This topic contains 27 replies, has 7 voices, and was last updated by DaasYochid ☕ 2 seconds ago.” at the top, but without any trace of my actual post nor any acknowledgement that it had been received and was awaiting moderation.
For a few minutes there, you actually became DaasYochid. That’s our best explanation for the behavior you witnessed.
A belated thank you to Daas Yachid for the welcome and the tip.
A belated apology to all for the multiple redundant posts. Although (as best I can recall at this point) the very first post that I submitted had appeared on the page with the note that it was awaiting moderation, none of my subsequent submissions did. This caused me to fear that the posts I was submitting were being caught in the spam filter.
As an addendum to my previous post, I will note the following.
There are individuals alive today who lived in Eretz Yisroel before the establishment of the Zionist State who distinctly recall having no need to fear their Arab neighbors, whom they lived together with peaceably. The late principal of Beis Yaakov of Borough Park, Rabbi Boruch Kaplan, ZT”L, lived through the infamous Chevron massacre of 1929. In a recorded public speech that he delivered, Rabbi Kaplan testified that the Arabs, far from being originally inclined toward hostility to the Jews of Chevron, had been good and peaceful neighbors. Rav Kaplan emphatically stated that he wished to set the record straight concerning the truth of the tragic events of that time and place. Specifically, Rav Kaplan stated explicitly and unequivocally that the violent actions on the part of the Arabs of Chevron at that time were a direct /response/ to what had been the utterly gratuitous and chauvinistic /provocations/ of the Zionists. [1]
The argument that has been articulated by the Zionists in this thread, concerning an asserted need for Jews in the Holy Land to take-up arms in self-defense, sounds essentially the same as the one that the Zioist leader Ben-Gurion is said to have challenged the Hazon Ish (l’havdil; z’khuso yagein aleinu) with. As the redoubtable Hazon Ish is reported to have responded, to the extent there truly is such a need now, it would only be as /a direct result of the reckless behavior and deeds of the Zionists/.
[1] According to Rav Kaplan’s recounting, the Zionists had put-on a spectacle in which they declared, “Shema Yisroel, HaKosel Kosleinu [sic], HaKosel [sic] Echad”. In the /shumess/, Rav Kaplan goes considerably farther in his denounciations of the Zionists, including the late Menachem Begin. Rav Kaplan emphatically chastised those Orthodox Jews who embraced and praised Begin, an individual whom Rav Kaplan minced no words in condemning.
Unfortunately, I am unable at this point to provide more specific info concerning where the recording of this speech of the late Rabbi Kaplan’s can be found. I believe, however, that I have provided sufficient information in order to enable those who are determined to find the recording to do so. I can add, though, that a friend of mine who knows two of Rav Kaplan’s sons, told me that at least one of them confirmed that the sentiments attributed to their father that I have articulated above are consistent with said son’s knowledge and familiarity with his father.
Avi K wrote,
“Unfortunately, part of the Chareidi world has formed its own separate nation. It does not take part in Am Yisrael’s celebration (Yom haAtzmaut) or sorrow (Yom haZicharon).”Can there be any reasoning with an individual who writes the above words? Is attempting to engage him in conversation anything more than an exercise in futility?
I will merely point to what the overwhelming consensus of /gedolei Yisroel/ have said on the matter. Their words, which are on the record and can be found by those who are /m’vakshei emes/, speak for themselves. The words of the Hazon Ish and the Brisker Rov, /zichronam livrocho/, immediatedly come to mind. To say nothing of those of the Satmar Rav, ZT”L, whose signature masterpiece of scholarship, /VaYoel Moshe/, remains completely unrivaled on the topics it covers.
Only to the /sonei H’/ and /sonei Am H’/ can the 5th day of /Iyyar/ be considered one of celebration. (That is not to brand all who regard it as such as ‘reshoim’; many, alas, simply do not know any better.)
“Kholov HaCompanies” is the term found in Igros Moshe.
Note that the shailo today is also a /d’oraisa/ of /treifus/ because of the surgeries that are routinely performed upon dairy cows. Thus, some (many?) say that even Igros Moshe would not permit today. As always, one should consult his personal poseik/ morah derekh.
The term “cholov stam” does not exist in halocho, and certainly Reb Moshe never uses it.
That is my understanding as well; the term used by HaRav Hagaon Rav Moshe Feinstein, ZT”L, in Igros Moshe is <i>Cholov ‘HaCompanies'</i>.
The term “cholov stam” does not exist in halocho, and certainly Reb Moshe never uses it.
That is my understanding as well; the term used by HaRav Hagaon Rav Moshe Feinstein, ZT”L, in Igros Moshe is <i>Kholov ‘HaCompanies'</i>.
When discussing this topic of whether milk produced under government inspection is permissable, it must be noted that (at least in the U.S.; I am unfamiliar with the <i>metzius</i> elsewhere) the shailo <i>today</i> is not only one of a <i>d’rabbonan</i> but also of a <i>d’oraisa</i> of <i>treifus</i>> (This is because of a change in <i>metzius</i> since the time of the Igros Moshe. Namely, the surgeries that are routinely performed on dairy cows.) Thus, even many of those who had previously relied upon the <i>heter</i> to use commercially produced (but non-<i>kholov Yisroel</i>) milk no longer do so today. As always, one should consult his <i>poseik</i>/<i>morah derekh</i> for guidance.