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“ Dear Cs,
These two together do not sit well with me.
1) “only life in this world is Hashem’s lifeforce”
2)”very real part of your identity” and “part of your identity is just an illusion”
Each view by itself is fine. The two together, give off some strange implications.”
Well if both are true, they are also true together, they just require understanding to understand HOW. I’m actually currently in the process of understanding these deep concepts myself and bringing it down into practical life but there’s mounds of learning you can do on this- it’s explained in Chassidus, and of course the sources are in Nigle as well because it’s one Torah.
The basics of the understanding I have now (obviously much depth etc and there’s a lot more for me to learn now as well) is that the “I” of a yid is really Hashem, that’s the real me. And the way to access it and reveal it through all the parts of me that cover it up, (my body, my animal soul personality, my G-dly soul personality etc) and to harmonise and unite all of them, is by following Torah and mitzvos. The more I live my life according to Torah and mitzvos in thought speech and action, the better life I have because the more I bring out the true me, which is one with Hashem, into all the aspects of my personality and life.
We see that every yid acts this way instinctively, realising and attributing everything they do to Hashem, and this isbecause it’s all Hashem working through them.
Hope this is clear. Feel free to ask questions or for examples, just don’t want to overload info.
The only true existence is Hashem, as we say ain od milvado. Not just that there is no other god or power aside from Hashem, but there is nothing else that exists at all. The only life in this world is Hashem’s lifeforce as it says ki imcha mekor chaim. See shaar hayichud vhoemuna of Tanya for more understanding on this or ask. Luckily a very real part of your identity is the part of Hashem within you, and that really does exist. The yetzer hara part of your identity is just an illusion which will eventually be revealed as fraud. Hope this helps
Good one CA.
I’m thinking we’ve been told that there will be a return of the 10 makos before moshiach comes, and there have already been quite a few. Maybe this is makas arov?
Also the Medrash that says the Geula will come with refuah (which is why the word anochi is used by both.) one of the commentaries asks what does Geula have to do with refuah? He doesn’t know the answer but we may soon!
Also, corona from crown and from koran or pnei Moshe in parshas ki sisa which is when it really started affecting us.
Crown because our avoda is to get ready to coronate Melech HaMoshiach with the real crown.
Koran Or- the light was so intense for the world that a mask was needed for the revelation. Could be the world is receiving very lofty G-dly revelations but isn’t yet a fitting vessel for it so it’s temporarily showing up in a negative way and practically people are wearing masks.
Anyhow the main thing is we should see the Geula with Melech HaMoshiach ASAP and all of Klal Yisrael and Chasidei Umos Haolam should have a refuah sheleima!!January 22, 2020 8:35 am at 8:35 am in reply to: A rebbe iz Atzmus uMahus vos hot zich areingeshtelt in a guf #1825065
There’s also the maamar of the Zohar that the Rebbe quotes in the same sicha “the face of the Master is the face of Rabi Shimon bar Yochai.” Same idea. That the tzaddik is so nullified before Hashem that Hashem shines and is expressed through him.January 21, 2020 5:14 pm at 5:14 pm in reply to: A rebbe iz Atzmus uMahus vos hot zich areingeshtelt in a guf #1824937
*rabbeinuJanuary 21, 2020 4:47 pm at 4:47 pm in reply to: A rebbe iz Atzmus uMahus vos hot zich areingeshtelt in a guf #1824900
Benignuman got it right. And Avi k yes but it’s more than inspire it’s Hashem speaking through him like Moshe Rabbonim. The Zohar says that there is an extension of Moshe in every generationJanuary 21, 2020 11:39 am at 11:39 am in reply to: A rebbe iz Atzmus uMahus vos hot zich areingeshtelt in a guf #1824695
And if it seems radical that Hashem is speaking through a Rebbe in today’s day and age, just remember when we’re talking about a Rebbe here, we’re talking about a tzaddik who has completely transformed his yetzer hara to another yetzer tov as explained in Tanya. Not everyone who carries the title of Rebbe is the type of Rebbe that the Rebbe was talking about.January 21, 2020 7:23 am at 7:23 am in reply to: A rebbe iz Atzmus uMahus vos hot zich areingeshtelt in a guf #1824694
I think people refer you to others who know more than them to explain why davka the term atzmus umehus, or how Hashem is mislabesh in the Rebbe etc.
But the simple meaning is pretty straightforward. The Rebbe is saying that when you ask the Rebbe you’re not asking the Rebbe as a person to go to Hashem for you necessarily, rather you’re asking Hashem as He is revealed through the Rebbe, like a Malach is called by Hashem’s Name when he is on a mission from Hashem, or like Moshe Rabbeinu who said “I will give grass “. The “I “ wasn’t Moshe speaking as a human being, although he was, it was Hashem speaking through Moshe because He was revealed in him.January 17, 2020 8:24 am at 8:24 am in reply to: A rebbe iz Atzmus uMahus vos hot zich areingeshtelt in a guf #1823719
Kcup if no one posts the meaning and context of that quote I can for you according to my simple understanding. I’m not as well versed in chassidus as I’m sure some of the men here are. So I’d prefer they type it up but if not I’ll post for you iyH.January 17, 2020 8:24 am at 8:24 am in reply to: A rebbe iz Atzmus uMahus vos hot zich areingeshtelt in a guf #1823718
“ regarding reb moshe the letter was way before the moshiach stuff and he addresses him like any other rebbe”
Right we aren’t talking about the Moshiach stuff that’sa different topic. We’re talking about this one quote and if Reb Moishe Thought it was something outside the pale of Yiddishkeit he would not have addressed the Rebbe as he did.January 15, 2020 2:44 pm at 2:44 pm in reply to: A rebbe iz Atzmus uMahus vos hot zich areingeshtelt in a guf #1823151
Yes it was discussed. I don’t know how to post the link though.January 15, 2020 2:44 pm at 2:44 pm in reply to: A rebbe iz Atzmus uMahus vos hot zich areingeshtelt in a guf #1823152
I mean I don’t know How to search threads. It was stated by toi and started Chabad shlucha please explain…
Someone brought the nefesh chaim(I think) who pretty much said the same thing. It does help to see context. One more thing- this was said by the Rebbe before he became Rebbe
Ramdomx where do you get kings of Israel and king Solomon etc.? Sound like great games but I never heard of them.
Avi K Torah values are the values of a Torah lifestyle. How the children speak to the parents. Clean language. Belief in Hashem. Appropriate interactions between males and females. Etc etc. Any non Jewish novel or story book I’ve come across (BH I’ve only had to read a few) has had problematic hashkafos.
Science books are a different story with a different problem. But that problem can be resolved. Novels are just tried. For every good thing you can learn from them they desensitise our holy sensitivities in other areas.
There’s nothing hateful about it. What would be worse- when Muslims beat their wives or when simple Jews beat their wives (in the past)? Something closer to home hurts more. Because you esteem and value the simple Jews it hurts more that they mistreated their wives. The Alter Rebbe suffered more when a fellow Jew who has a chelek Eloka Mimaal , opposed chassidus , then all the time he spent in jail. His host served him tea as a guest and then berated him for a few hours over the changes he made for chassidus. It pained him more to hear these accusations coming from the mouth of a precious well meaning fellow Jew than from the coarse gentiles who has interrogated him before. Nothing hateful there.
The worst thing about reading them is that their values seep in without you realising because it’s just part of the story. Then your senses get dulled. Then something which may have seemed highly inappropriate when you first read it, coming from the world of Jewish literature, becomes normal and doesn’t strike you as disgusting or inappropriate at all, just not something that Jews do. Eventually you could even desire to do things the way the normal way is, as to you, normal is now the non Jewish way of doing things.
This is what the Torah means when it says not to follow the disgusting ways of the Canaanim. If they are disgusting why would we follow them? Because after seeing their ways day in and day out they stop looking disgusting and may even look desirable.
To address the op, it is that there are always problems in non Jewish books. There are always things that don’t line up with Torah values. The only time I read non Jewish novels was when I was forced to for three years of high school. Animal farm- the main characters were pigs- that was the least problematic one. A tale of two cities by dickens- the interaction between the male protagonist and females was highly inappropriate, a separate piece sent the message that everyone is evil at heart, and the book we read that was a teacher’s redo of indoctrinating students to become Nazis, as an experiment (forget the title) featured boyfriends and girlfriends.
If you want a good piece of writing where the values and purity just shine through, read The Lubavitcher Rebbe’s Memoirs. He writes the history with such descriptive writing, that you feel like you are there yourself.
I remember the clear contrast between dickens disgusting objectification of women as just being valued for their looks vs. the memoirs which described a young women as being beautiful in character as well as in appearance. The character was first and the appearance just added or expressed the beautiful character. Just like we learn about the Imahos.
GH to me at least it really isn’t very complicated. Jewish books are books written by frume Yidden who naturally espouse frume values. Non Jewish books are those that aren’t written from the lens of Torah hashkofa even if the author happens to be Jewish
The Baal Shem Tov taught that a person is like a mirror. When you see a dirty face in the mirror it’s a reflection of your own dirty face. So too if you see someone else as a bad person because of a certain fault they have that’s Hashem’s way of notifying you that you have that same fault, just maybe on a lesser scale. Self love covers personal flaws so this is how Hashem shows you what you have to work on.
Mazal Tov!!! Glad to hear!
AquariumSeptember 25, 2019 6:34 pm at 6:34 pm in reply to: Rosh Hashona Haftorah: The Source of Decorating Tambourines to Greet Moshiach #1789689
Very nice!! I also await him with my tambourine. I painted it in high school so the paint and jewels have been chipping off but that’s cuz he’s taking too long!!
“My point is that administering justice is a purpose also. Ha’SHem has a hanhogah of Judgement also, not only of Kindness. He can set whatever rules he wants. If it is all love, love and love, let the cleansing be completely painless!”
You are right that it is painful because He is administering justice which comes from gevurah. If it was just chessed it would be possible. But Chassidus teaches that gevurah comes from a deeper place than chessed and it is a deeper chessed if you will. Tigbores hachessed. But since it is so intense and strong we experience it in a negative way ie as yissurim or gehennom etc. But Hashem only does it because He cares for us so deeply to make us the best we can be.
“P.S.: and those who burn forever, according to you, what is the purpose and where is the love?”
Answer 1 (cop-out): were discussing gehennom where the max is 12 months.
Answer 2: every Jew will be redeemed eventually. Lo yidach mimenu nidach.
As far as wicked goyim that’s another case. They’re not Hashem’s beloved only child and if they start up on His children they deserve what they get. He cares for them too, as CA brought, but not in the same way at all.
Litebrite you’re very welcome.
Laskern that’s a great interpretation there. Where’s it from?
“Did you think they didn’t yearn for moshiach with all their hearts until now? The pogroms, the inquisition, the holocaust ,etc”
Yearning for relief from your even very serious problems is not synonymous with yearning for moshiach. As the Baal HaTanya said when asked by the elders of vitebsk why moshiach is taking so long, he said something to the effect of what they’re waiting for isn’t moshiach and the real moshiach no one wants…”
Litebrite you mentioned losing weight which reminds me of a good mashal I heard on the topic of gehennom: people do workouts in the gym which are difficult but rewarding. However the same gym routine can be experienced as torture if it was forced by gunpoint. What’s the difference? By the former you know what you are doing, the purpose it serves and how long it will take. By the latter you don’t know the purpose, or it is done just to cause pain, and you don’t know when it will be over. So too gehennom is experienced as a punishment because you don’t see the meaning behind it but in reality it is a cleansing process for the neshama.
CA thank you
Philosopher: great so we’re in agreement. I also hope not to end up there.
Mdd1: because when you really love your child you will discipline them as necessary out of your great love. Or to use the mashal, you clean your child’s filthy diaper even though they kick and scream because you love them. If you didn’t love them so much you’d let them sit in it. Similarly Hashem cleans us up from the aveira mess we made so that we can disassociate from the bad and just be left with the good you accomplished forever.
Philosopher the Chabad way of looking at things is that it is a cleansing process done out of Hashems great love for us. It is painful and experienced as a punishment, but it’s a means to get cleansed to enter gan Eden
It’s a Chassidic interpretation. The Rebbe put a comma after mimaatin, so it reads from when Av enters, we decrease (all the negative energy etc) with Simcha. Obviously Simcha in a way that is permitted such as having or attending a siyum every night etc.
These days are on the surface level harsh sad days but their inner meaning is to get us to the Geula (through correcting the reasons for the churban.) The way to do that today is by being positive and looking forward to and yearning for the Geula in a positive way.
@mods can you change my username to CS? I was told I should use my initials only when posting on a mixed forum thanks.
Just to clarify, its not a contradiction. We’re mourning on the outside while being bsimcha on the inside. It’s like a mother changing a dirty diaper – the baby may scream because it hurts but she’s only doing it because of her great love of the child. So Hashem gave us these harsh days because He really loves us and through working on ourselves in these days, they are meant to bring us to GeulaMay 24, 2019 4:26 pm at 4:26 pm in reply to: I noticed that Rebbitzen Golden P is blocked. Is that a good, bad or ugly thing? #1732760
I have this new hobby where I’m on a tehillim group that says tehillim to bring moshiach. We’re currently on round 718!May 24, 2019 2:51 pm at 2:51 pm in reply to: I noticed that Rebbitzen Golden P is blocked. Is that a good, bad or ugly thing? #1732753
Bh my kids and tehillim have been keeping me quite busyFebruary 14, 2019 5:31 pm at 5:31 pm in reply to: The world is in a state of Geula- and don’t misunderstand us! #1679846
Hi just checking in. Wanted to say that after thinking it over you guys have a point. The Rebbe can’t be considered bchezkas moshiach halachically no matter how intellectually sound it is if a Rav doesn’t pasken it. Some meshichists were sending me messages that I should promote the Rebbe being moshiach halachically so today I told them that they have to get their act together. If they want me to promote that I definitely can but only if it’s true. Ie i dared them to get a respected lubavitcher Rav aboard with that statement with a written psak detailing the halachic analysis. I made them an offer they can’t refuse if they DO get that to happen, so I’m curious to see what happens… I want to thank you all for your input on that. You are 100% right.
Ideally kids should have respect for their parents because they’re mentchen themselves and respect their children as people and Hashem’s children (obviously not the same level as respect for parents or even equals). If the only way to get kids to listen is by coercion, the parents need help and it won’t be healthy for the kids. But it’s still better than no discipline. People suffer much more from that for much longer.
If necessary then it’s better than no boundaries and hefkervelt. But it’s not ideal or healthy, on a regular basis, especially today.
Why doesn’t she?
“What about the teenage girls living in an environment where they are felt left out when tznius. and part of the club when dressed not tznius.”
It can be very difficult. The way to overcome it is by taking pride in dressing tzniusdik. People respect and trust those who hold true to their values even when it differs from
the crowd. The way to build up pride is by learning about the positive (and negative but focus on the positive) until it becomes so much a part of you that it is who you are.
When I was in high school we had a wonderful curriculum where we learned how tznius is the Jewish culture, how it brings to kedusha etc. After the general introduction we went into the specific categories of how it applies (and the power of) sight, music, and dress.
One of my favourite classes. Wish all high schools taught this.
“My daughter loves to shop at a specific women’s clothing store in Boro Park because the owner is not afraid to tell her customers “That looks too tight on you. Try the next size or pick a different style.” She will refuse to sell a dress that is not tznius.”
That’s wonderful and takes real guts. Good for her! Id love to shop in such a store. It’s sad that I have such a hard time finding skirts that cover a few inches below my knee (Im not super tall either) and / or are not tight in frum stores. In one store I’ve been to, they have shorter skirts downstairs and longer skirts upstairs on a rack (in case you want to be tznius). If the short skirts were just for the short people you would think the short skirts would be the ones tucked away in the back or upstairs, right? Anyway bh for online shopping. And bh that goyishe stores are selling longer skirts. I still haven’t found a suitable straight skirt that isn’t tight and short since my high school days in the stores near me, so I pretty much just wear a line skirts now as they’re in fashion to be longer and thus more readily available.
Well I’m glad you recognise that because (at least in my experience) it’s really only a help if done willingly or even better with a smile. It’s true. Women working takes up more time and takes off part of the husbands responsibility so it makes sense he should help with hers (although if it’s distasteful paying for a cleaner to do it is also an option.)
Who me? Yeah
“CS, very impressive about the tehilim and tanya. such a great thing to have divrei torah in your memory.”
Agreed. It’s very much stressed in Hayom yom. I love when I see fellow murmurers on the street 🙂
“and a tremendous thing for your baby, as the behaviour of the mother during pregnancy has an affect on the baby.”
“(just a comment about memorizing tehilim by heart. we usually don’t say tora shebiksav by heart, with the exception of those parts that everyone knows by heart, like ashrei, krias shma etc. i’m sure you know this and checked it out. would be interesting to know more about it.).”
So I only heard of this after I stopped memorising tehillim anyway so as it wasn’t relevant I didn’t fully research it. However from what I do know, the problem is not from saying tehillim Baal peh (in fact see 7 and 11 teves in Hayom yom where the Frierdiker Rebbe specifically encourages saying tehillim baal peh, along with Tanya, chumash and mishnayos to be saved from kaf hakela and to purify the air outside) but from specifically intending to memorise it instead of it being a natural process (although Hayom yom 11 teves does encourage having any of the above committed to memory but it could mean naturally… In any case tzorich iyun.)
“About the nigun of R’ Michel Zlotchover. i am pretty sure that it was the Baal shem tov who said that He would help the one who is singing this nigun. maybe that’s what you meant.”
Yeah you’re right. Thanks for the correction.
Food preparation, spraying counters, folding laundry
Knaidlach if your wife is anything like me she got the idea to ask you from your unborn / nursing child who has an aversion to its mother doing strenuous work.
My husband will say something in a respectful manner if he thinks there is something questionable about my dress/ appearance. And I appreciate it because I wouldn’t want to go out questionably dressed, and because he expresses it respectfully I want to take it from him. In general if you want to be taken seriously by your wife be pleasant / respectful. That’s always been the Jewish way.
But it is a shame when men don’t say anything at all, in today’s day and age, because some women are unaware or they could use the knowledge that their husband is displeased with this way of dress. In a healthy marriage a woman wants to look good for her husband so that would be a strong incentive to dress modestly. Again, if expressed in a respectful manner.
Also if a man doesn’t watch his eyes his wife won’t respect/ will resent his wishes for her to watch/ curtail her inclination for looking beautiful (which can be expressed in inappropriate dress if it isn’t watched.) Maybe that’s why some men are ‘wimps’ about not telling their wives about this?
My husband mops the floor
It’s been fun. I have this project where I memorise tehillim and Tanya to the tunes of lubavitcher niggunim to help me remember it better. They way I always have words of Torah I can say in the streets or when doing housework etc
Last year I databased all the niggunim I’ve used so I won’t keep reusing ones I’ve used already. This year I realized that if I work in advance I can finish memorising the same number of prakim as I’m turning.
But it’s taking me some time because the nigun I have picked I didn’t know (Reb Michel Zlotchovers nigun) so I’m learning the nigun and the Tanya…
But I think it’s worth it because it’s a very special nigun. R Michel was a Talmid of the Baal Shem Tov and he took his nigun from heichal hashir in gan Eden. He said whoever sings his nigun and needs help, he’ll come and help them from above.
WTP I originally joined the CR when I had my son. Between the constant waking up through the nights and nursing, I found I had more time to spend on the forum… I’ve been a bit absent lately as I’ve been preparing for my baby and my birthday iyh (and finally got back into saying more tehillim daily which has been exciting) but probably will be more present by my maternity leave 😉
Thank you 🙂