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Avira, if you are interested in the topic, you can Google the two pesukim I originally listed (aishes chayil ateres baala and nekeiva tisovev gever), and Google Chassidus, and you can look up the original sources on Hebrew books. This isn’t The Rebbes original idea, so you can find previous Rebbeim etc explaining the topic. Why I personally am fascinated with Chassidus, is because it takes lofty obscure Kabbalistic concepts and makes it very relevant by using mashalim from our own life experience, as the posuk says “מבשרי אחזה אלוק”. But BH there’s such a wide sea of Torah learning, and as long as you hook onto something within that sea to inspire you and engrave Torah into you until it’s inseparable from every part of your life, along with special mentors etc., that’s great.
CSParticipantI’m kind is surprised why no one asked why/ what it means that geula will be a feminine era whereas golus was masculine… that would have been an interesting discussion. But never mind. Go on and discuss Zionism or whatever else…
CSParticipantAvira,
“So what the Lubavitcher rebbe said did not address teaching the women the beauty of jewish femininity; the akeres habayis, the stronghold of emunah, the calm nurturing mother, the builder of klal yisroel, the daughter of Hashem – those are things beis yaakov teaches to inspire Jewish girls. And they don’t feel any less valuable because of it. Why couldn’t the Lubavitcher rebbe do the same?”So we are taught all this. But also explaining how true
feminism is Torah, which does appeal to women from all backgrounds. You think a woman wants to wear a talis for the sake of wearing it? No, she just doesn’t want to feel that the men have more of a connection than she does. Seeing Torah which values and celebrates Both genders is eye opening for many.And then the deeper dimension of the increasing importance of the feminine takes it to a different level. Today, Lubavitcher women feel just as much Chassidim of The Rebbe as the men. You could have a couple where the husband isn’t Lubavitch and the wife is. I’ve heard a few times that young women from other Chassidic groups became Lubavitch precisely because of this- they’re not just the wife of a chossid or a daughter of a chossid who assists her husband etc with his avoda by keeping a clean home etc. but she herself is a chossid. One woman described how she walked into 770 to check it out, and was happily surprised to see the girls delving into the sichos, saying Chitas etc. This new emphasis on the women, Nshei Chabad communal events etc, is because of the spiritual era we are entering more and more. In the outside world, the feminism is a actually anti women but the concept is real
CSParticipantCont’
And at the same time there is a deeper meaning behind it which is the world shifting towards the feminine in preparation for the geula as mentioned…CSParticipantAvira,
“ Ok, let that be the case for arguments sake. So is Christianity, according to the rambam. Should we teach people that Christianity is kosher? We have a Torah which teaches us what Hashem hates and what He approves of. ”So as stated, the secular manifestation of feminism is
wrong. The reason I mentioned the underlying theme is because too many women, feminism represents the idea that women are valued as much as men, as that wasn’t the case in the past. So The Rebbe latched into that
theme and showed how we have this in Torah so we don’t need modern feminism which is actually anti women/ family etcCSParticipantUjm it would be helpful to quote which part of my post didn’t sit well with you.
CSParticipantThe Lubavitcher Rebbe
CSParticipant“ I would imagine that alarge part of Feminisms are against the Torah. I never got an answer why Feminisms in general are counter to everything.”
Just putting it out there, the Rebbe saw feminism as an essentially positive movement at its core, that was there because the world was shifting towards the feminine- as will be completed fully when moshiach comes (all over Chassidus on the pesukim אשת חיל עטרת בעלה and נקבה תסובב גבר) but emphasized that the secular implications that women could be and should be as good as men with careers etc. was erroneous, and also anti feminism, because it implies that women have to be like men in order to be worth something. Torah is the true feminism that celebrates women’s qualities. Women were spoken to first by Matan Torah, where we started off, and women will bring us to the completion of the Geula.
But there were things The Rebbe did as part of embracing this era of feminism that were not done before, such as sichos just for women, encouraging women to speak up and give their opinion, special mivtzoim for women in and much more
CSParticipantHere’s a cool deep understanding of Shema Yisrael in honor of Lag Baomer when the inner aspects of Torah were revealed (that I learned today):
The short version: Hashem really cares about what you have in mind when you work or make supper.
Long version:
So when a Jew contemplates how Hashem is much greater than all of His Unlimited light, of which sparks chipped off and descended into this world for us to elevate…
Then
Ayin=70= 7 middos x 10 (kochos they are inclusive of)
And the Ayin is big to represent the intellectual (as opposed to emotional) excitement that this contemplation brings
Yisrael= the Jewish people who are tasked with bringing this revelation into all the mundane acts of their lives by doing it with a G-dly intent
When we do this, then
Hevaya= the Unlimited Light of Hashem becomes unified with
Elokeinu= Bina of Atzilus- the first place we can feel that we have some grasp of the new G-dly revelation
Hevaya = The Unlimited Light of Hashem descends further to unite with
Echad= the lower Sefirot where one may think that G-d is not one as the Sefirot may have contradictory characters, so it unites with The Unlimited Light of Hashem to become truly One with Him, and then
Baruch Shem Kvod Malchuso Lolam Vaed…
The Light descends further to give all the worlds life force until it reaches us and makes physical changes in our world such as healing the sick etc.
This is the type of stuff I love to learn about Hashem 😀😀
CSParticipantGutte voch from my locality. Avira see the difference between mimale and sovev, but I agree with your point
CSParticipantI guess my point is that people have to take ownership of their own emotional/ mental health and see what helps, and if one Rav isn’t helpful, very likely another Rav may be. Just like in therapy it often takes time and effort to find one that works. The only difference is that Torah uplifts you above the issue in a way that therapy can’t, because it isn’t Hashem based because it’s not Torah
CSParticipant“It is a mistake to portray the mental health field as basing all pathology on the client being the victim of someone else’s cruelty. ”
This was meant as an example of people I know/ heard about their description of therapy- and they’re still struggling as a result…
My personal experience was one who was confident that could help me, and let’s just say that I ended up in the hospital because the solution wasn’t what therapist has said it would be, and I diligently followed instructions…
And then, less dramatic was the cbt which was plainly unhelpful. BH I recovered and emotionally is only because of Torah.
CSParticipant*lives not loves
CSParticipantBut I will grant you TLIK that therapists have several advantages: this is their parnassa so they focus on their clients and have ample time to give them etc. They also are trained in different conditions and can hopefully (not always) differentiate between a medical need and psychological need etc. This is lacking by Rabbanim who can’t grant ample time to many people to really understand what the real issue is and meet with them a set amount of time weekly for as long as they need etc.
Luckily there are already people who have thought of this and are planning a Torah training alternative to therapy course.
CSParticipant(Cont’) This doesn’t mean that Torah doesn’t acknowledge pain. But it’s like going through a painful surgery. We pay the doctor to do it and willingly go through the pain because we know it’s in our best interests. But we don’t think of ourselves as a victim of the doctor…
CSParticipantI completely agree with you that there are many conditions that require medical treatment like psychiatric disorders etc.
But therapy has become the new “in” thing for anyone struggling with life problems in general, low moods resulting from low self worth etc. And many of these can be addressed with Torah perspective given from someone who loves what he says.
Regarding my experience with people who are in therapy for years and have still not reached Serenity etc in contrast with those who use Torah, it just hit me that a possible reason could be because therapy starts off with the notion that the suffering person is a victim/ survivor of someone else’s cruelty. This is a quite unsettling notion. Then they spend many years in therapy trying to regain their power and control over their life and that’s very tough.
Whereas with a Torah perspective, whatever happens to you, you are not a victim as it’s in your best interests. How and why, we’re not always meant
to understand immediately. And we also know that if we work on ourselves to see it this way, we will end up seeing the good in this physical world. This is very empowering. Of course it takes work, but ultimately one ends up elevated, instead of living as a survivorCSParticipantTLIK, I’m also just curious, since you have such a different perspective of therapy then me, how you would explain this phenomenon:
The people I know personally who have been in therapy for years, and wax poetic over how helpful the therapy is, are not happy people. When asked, one relative said, “Well I guess it’s a journey.” And they pay more and more money to continue to get to their inner peace…
Whereas the people I look up to who have had their share of hardships in life and used Torah as their guide, are happy empowered people. And they’re not shelling out all the therapy bucks either. This may not be everyone’s experience but I have noticed this. I wonder what you think about it.
CSParticipantTLIK hopefully we can agree on the importance of Torah as being the first port of call when faced with a crisis in life. If the Rav/ mashpia doesn’t feel well equipped enough to help the situation, or the person himself isn’t getting the help he needs, then by all means- try therapy – preferably with a frum person etc- and see if it helps.
CSParticipantAs far as saying sholom Mordechai is an anomaly, that’s such a cop out. What’s so cool about him is that he’s not a tzadik or Rebbe, he was a regular businessman. When faced with an overwhelming crisis, instead of taking the easy route- playing victim, sulking in depression, he turned inwards and asked, what does Hashem want from me now? What’s expected of me. He put in the work, and he got amazing results. Anyone can do it, you just have to realize that Torah is truly our life and be willing to work at it with Torah guidance as needed.
CSParticipantTLIK you write that it’s not the professionals job to teach Torah. Bingo! That’s my point. They won’t be teaching the powerful self help tools in the Torah- a proper Rav can do that.
The professionals non Jewish training teaches them how to get people better in touch with themselves and focus on their own happiness (selfish approach) while with a Torah approach, you can learn how to take your situation and use it as a springboard for growth towards Hashem. The personal situation i described earlier, which had put me in such a state of agony, revisited twice more. Each time I was able to handle it better- the second time I was able to focus on making happiness a choice to serve Hashem better. And guess what? The situation cleared up and was gone which I didn’t really think would happen. The third time I focused on bitachon, and there was no real crisis. You’re not gonna get this from even a frum therapist because just like you said- his training is not in Torah ideology, and he’s not hired to teach you Torah. So you’ll have very different outcomes.
CSParticipantYungermans I can address your number 3 if anyone is interested
CSParticipantAlso the language used when Hashem promises to punish sinners suggests a certain personal investment so to speak, (פונה אני מכל עסקי ועוסק בו) and I’m
wonder if we know more about the “emotions” Hashem works through when He is a Kel Nekamos. I’ve heard about a letter of The Rebbe which explains that schar and onesh is automatic, that one draws upon himself from Above the corresponding consequence to his action, but we also know how every blade of grass moves with precise hashgocha protis, so it’s not like an automatic system where Hashem is not invested… so I’d love to know moreCSParticipantThanks for the responses. Ok I’ll give a specific example (on trying to understand Hashem’s gevura):
I’ve been assured by my very learned relative that I will need to go through some sort of tikun Upstairs for every aveira I’ve done which hasn’t been properly atoned for in this world. So I was just wondering, would I be able to feel Hashem’s support through the suffering, similar to how people feel Hashem’s closeness even more when they’re in a rough spot in this world?
(source based answers please)
In other words, is Hashem mercifully cleansing us, or more coldly distancing us until we’re good enough to come close?
It would be good to have sources, if this topic is discussed, but I guess in any case, my first stop Upstairs would be to The Rebbe in any case, and I’ll take it from there….
CSParticipantAnd, that’s the reason why so many people were rooting for him to begin with. Because they came to do chessed by visiting etc, and ended up being uplifted by him. So they devoted themselves to his cause out of inspiration.
CSParticipantI brought up Rubashkin twice because this idea of not running to goyim/she ideology for life direction and general well-being etc. he really is enthusiastic about, and he elaborates on his experiences to make it real and down to earth. He explains the Torah principles that support his ability to remain joyous even there, and is currently working on a book on that topic to help people.
As far as how do we know? He heard after he was freed, from one of the inmates, that one guard asked the other, “Who’s the guy that was let out by the President?” The other got thought for a second and said, “You know the guy who was always happy? That one.”
He was told by a well meaning acquaintance after his release, that after the star dust settles, he will most certainly need therapy to adjust to regular life, especially after prison. He didn’t need any therapy because he was never traumatized, because of the constant bitachon work he did.
Obviously he felt pain, but he was never depressed. And he is so intent on helping yidden have this for themselves, no matter the situation, that instead of going back into business, his dream was to learn and mentor yidden in bitachon. Hashem has helped him and he is massively successful BH. He now has six big homes which he used to host people for Shabbatons on the topic, and he also gives weekly shiurim which many people attend from nearby Lakewood, and many people from all over the world are in touch with him as a mentor. He has also spoken worldwide on his experience, and in general is in a different spiritual sphere than most people. His incredible test has only uplifted him through the power of Torah, as can be seen from his before, and after prison life. (Not that his before was bad cvs, he was amazing then too. Just nothing to compare to where he is holding now.)
CSParticipantCorrected not coerced
CSParticipantI think this post is on the wrong thread (supposed to be on the professional thread) Also it’s talking not running.
CSParticipantOk I’m willing to be coerced tlik. Hear me out.
I’m generally happy because I’ve internalized hakoras hatov, and excited because I’m blessed to be a Yid.
I don’t harbor resentment or grudges because I’ve internalized that Hashem is the One who did it, and He has my best interests in mind, not other people.
I don’t get easily angered, and when I do I forgive easily. I’m working to get to the point where I don’t get angry at all… and the tools for that are is that yes, everything that happens to me SHOULD happen, and is not an injustice because Hashem is in charge. And He only desires my good.
Fear and anxiety posted above.
I have a happy marriage BH because I’ve internalized that we’re two halves of one Neshama, and that means that if one of us isn’t happy, we’re both not happy. Taking care of my spouse is my priority in ahavas yisrael. The importance Hashem places on sholom bayis, which is the source of bracha in the home. Also, the importance of not hurting others as in onaas Devarim etc.
I’m productive as long as it doesn’t affect my health, because I’ve internalized that I’m here for a mission and want to accomplish as much as I can. On the flip side, if I can’t be active, I’m comforted by the fact that Hashem has wrought this, so right now, serving Him means accepting the lack of productivity with joy.
On the flip side, I was once referred by a doctor to a therapist because I was in a state of agony. She tried cbt on me which I found absolutely meaningless. In the end, she was so concerned by the agony she saw that she reported to the doctor to make sure I wasn’ta risk to myself. Actually, even though I was in great pain, I never became suicidal, because I’ve internalized the concept of Olam Haba, and so realized that suicide wouldn’t be a good solution…. It would just make things much worse. After that, I dismissed the therapist, and went to my mashpia. My mashpia was able to give Hashem centered hadracha based on personal experience as well as Torah knowledge, that helped me to find a lot of comfort
and strength to deal with the pain.So… if your frum mental health professionals train people in the above ideals (which my impression is that they don’t) then I stand corrected tlik.
CSParticipantIn fact, regarding stress for my own needs, I don’t really get anxious etc. I’m constantly running about Hashem and how He gives me whatever I need, and what’s best for me, and how He wants me to ask Him if I’d prefer something else in the future. How no one can do anything to me unless He wills it, and I can rely on Him etc. So I don’t get negatively stressed or anxious.
CSParticipantLook I don’t think I need to add anything…. As far as my doctor, you don’t know what I was there for but it wasn’t stress. And when I asked him what I was supposed to do with this me time, he said play games… yes there’sa need to step back sometimes, but Torah is all about servicing others. If you need to take care of yourself first to do that better, then ok, but the focus is on serving Hashem and making the world a better place. Putting others first etc. (If you need to be healthier to put others first, fine but the focus is on getting back to your Avodas hakodesh.) whereas “Me time” implies I’ve done my dues for you, now I’m doing what I want to do- focusing on myself. And what do I do with this self focused time? I waste it on meaningless activities… This was just one example… I see you’re standing at a different place, but I’m glad that some posters understand the point.
CSParticipantThanks for the responses… let me get a bit more specific. (If any of the terms is not familiar, please ask and I can explain.
So Hashem’s layers of revelation of His One Self are:
Mimale kol olmin (aka nature aka limited to context aka Elokim)Sovev kol olmin (aka beyond nature/ miracles, infinity, Hevaya)
Atzmus (nimna hanimnaos can bring both opposite categories together and is not limited to just one way of revelation)
Now, from sovev and above, we can’t depict anything Hashem is like, because that is a limitation and Hashem is beyond our minds. In fact, to Him, physical objects and the loftiest ideologies are on the same plane (think: trying to feel a concept with your hands).
But luckily for us limited humans, Hashem gave us the gift of mimale revelation. It’s a gift because it’sa structure we can relate to, and therefore climb with self growth. That awesome structure is the 10 sefiros which corresponds to the 10 kochos hanefesh (chochma, bina, Daas, netzach, hod, yesod, malchus.)
So, since we can only relate to sovev with Emuna, my investigation pertains to mimale.
I want to try to understand as much as possible Hashems persona so to speak.
For example, He likes and identifies with good, and detests evil. That’s something we can relate to and grow from. I would like to understand more about a few things but we’ll start with one.
I would love elaboration on Hashem’s vengeance and punishment of evil, evil doers. Is He sadistic to evil? Etc. I can elaborate more but I don’t want to make the post too long, so I’ll stop here for now, to hear your thoughts sources. (There are so many sources for what I’ve written here that if you ask me about a sentence, it will be easier to list)
CSParticipantJust a disclaimer (for at least one poster) I was not hired by Chabad to be the official mouthpiece of Chabad on this site. I guess I should be honored by the insinuation that people would think so.
However, my posts are all based on things I’ve learned or the chinuch I’ve been given which is all Torah as illuminated by Chassidus, as well as farbrengens given by Chassidishe role models. When asked I’ve given the source. And if I’m incorrect, I’m happy to be corrected. I do not think it necessary to post this on every thread I may post on so I hope this is enough to calm the nerves of certain posters who can always refer to this at their convenience😀
CSParticipantSorry have had a busy day… just to clarify as there were questions, as I said originally, if someone is ILL in any way, that’s chochma bagoyim taamin, and a Rav will refer if the case is out of his expertise etc. No problem with any of that.
Op isn’t suggesting that he’s clinically depressed, or has deep seated trauma that needs subconscious treatment. He’s looking for life advice/ direction and our first port of call should be Torah.
My parents started off marriage on a left foot. Since therapy wasn’t the trend, they obviously went to their local rabbi. He actually gave them bad advice which wasn’t helpful so they did their research and found rabbi ezriel taubers book “to become one” and lectures, along with alot of hard work, did wonders. They also found a different rav who helped them out and still guides them today.
Today, they would be strongly encouraged to go to therapy… and that’sa tragedy. Therapy isn’t always successful, you have to find the right match etc. And the ideology isn’t Jewish. So my point is, try Torah first for life advice.
CSParticipantTLIK I stand by my post. You’re basically saying that Torah is great for “erudition in Torah”, but for practical real life help and application, it’s dangerous for someone to ask a Rav/ mashpia for advice. I’m actually shocked no one has protested this notion. I could go on and on with examples etc. but I’ll just suffice with a few words unless someone would like elaboration.
Just like you can teach a horse to be a great horse but you can’t reach a horse to play chess, so too a goy, or goyishe training will not be able to help a Yid achieve true happiness (which is dependent on our connection to Hashem) or fulfillment.
For example, sholom Mordechai worked on his bitachon and was always happy, truly happy, in a very dark situation. The other prisoners went to the prison therapist and were prescribed tranquilizers so they wouldn’t commit suicide. You wouldn’t expect the therapist, non Jewish or Jewish to train you in bitachon, because that’s not within their experience/ their job description.
I went to a doctor once, who instead of just doing his official job, took the liberty of telling me that I should just have lots of me time and not take on too much etc.
BH I was educated in Torah enough to know that I can differentiate between the care I needed that was the doctors job, and the advice which was not in line with Torah…
If your Rav is not someone who is successfully married/ successful in his state of mind/ personal life skills, then find another Rav. A Rav is supposed to be a life example and possible mentor, not just a good intellectual.
CSParticipantThe 205th mitzvah is that we are commanded to admonish a person who is performing a transgression or who is preparing to do so. One must verbally warn him and admonish him. We are not allowed to say, “I will not sin; and if someone else sins, that is between him and G‑d.” This [attitude] is contrary to Torah. Rather, we are commanded not to transgress, nor to allow another Jew to transgress. If a person is preparing to transgress, each individual is commanded to admonish him and to prevent him [from transgressing], even if there has not been testimony which would be sufficient for him to be punished.
The source of this commandment is G‑d’s statement (exalted be He),1 “You must admonish your neighbor.”
Also included in this commandment is that we should complain to a person who has done wrong to us. We should not bear a grudge and consider him to be a sinner. Rather, we are commanded to verbally complain to him in order that nothing should remain in our heart [against him].
In the words of the Sifra, “What is the source of the law that even if you admonish someone four or five times that you should continue to admonish him? From the phrase, ‘hochei’ach to’chiach.’2 One might think that one could admonish him to the point that his facial features change3 — the verse therefore continues,4 “And not bear sin because of him.”
Our Sages5 explained that this commandment is incumbent on every individual; even a person on a low level to someone on a higher level.6 Even if one is cursed or insulted he should not desist, nor stop admonishing unless he is struck physically, as explained by our Sages from the Oral Torah,7 “[One must reprimand] until one receives physical blows.”
This mitzvah has conditions and laws which are explained in various places in the Talmud.
CSParticipantSorry I just thought I have to add that really, people who needed this kind of guidance always turned to their local rabbi/ rebbetzin (assuming they had a great marriage etc. themselves.) it’s a real machla we have today, that many people’s first port of call is “mental health professionals” Who are trained by goyim/ goyishe courses etc. (as if they’re so successful in marriage/ life…) Granted, there’s a need for therapists etc. When someone is actually ill, but for direction in life- we have the Torah! And people who live it. You can hear more from Sholom Mordechai Rubashkin who is writing a book on Torah self help tools that he used to be happy even in prison….
Within Chabad we have a mashpia system set up, where everyone is encouraged to have a mashpia as a life coach and go to person, and also to be mashpia to others…
CSParticipantRebSteve, see how that goes because I didn’t see her site online so I hope it’s still running. Additionally, there’s reliefhelp org, where you can speak to someone. I don’t know if there’s any volunteers though. And last but not least, you can reach out to your local rabbi/ rebbetzin or Chabad shluchim who may be able to mentor you themselves or connect you to someone who can.
CSParticipantMaskil doresh, if you would like more elaboration on how that works and what that means etc besides for the original source quoted above, I’d be very happy to elaborate
CSParticipantJackk
“Many jews do not need to learn new possibilities of the geulah to get excited and yearn for it.
We simply have kavanna while davening, benching and even counting sefiras haomer.
We also have kavanna during the 4 fast days and 3 weeks.”Jackk all of those things, you don’t need to learn about much because you know what they are already. However, the geula is a completely new time frame that will change everything in some ways, and to be excited for it, and anticipate it tangibly and daily, I would think it’s helpful to know what exactly IS so exciting about this change, if we currently live in BH, a comfortable golus more or less…
“Learning Seder kodashim and all the parshiyos of vayikra can also increase the yearning.”
Great.
“Even pondering the daily chilul Hashem that exists due to no Geulah is a strong motivation.”
Wonderful, thanks for sharing
CSParticipantMaskil doresh:
כוְנָתַ֨ן לָכֶ֧ם אֲדֹנָ֛י לֶ֥חֶם צַ֖ר וּמַ֣יִם לָ֑חַץ וְלֹֽא־יִכָּנֵ֥ף עוֹד֙ מוֹרֶ֔יךָ וְהָי֥וּ עֵינֶ֖יךָ רֹא֥וֹת אֶת־מוֹרֶֽיךָ:
לחם צר ומים לחץ: לא תהיו כרוכים אחר תענוגים כאשר אתם עתה כמה שנאמר השותים במזרקי יין (עמוס ו׳:ו׳) הנה ששון ושמחה (לעיל כב):
ולא יכנף: לא יתכסה ממך בכנף בגדיו כלומר לא יסתיר ממך פניו:
מוריך: הקב”ה המלמדך להועיל:This is yeshaya 30:20 with Rashi. Chassidus discusses this at length in many maamarim
CSParticipantReb steve
Miriam Yerushalmi runs a network of volunteers for exactly what you need called S.A.N.E. Save a Neshama endowmentCSParticipantThe Wolf
“The greatest minds of all time do not have the power to completely nullify a Torah commandment.The Wolf”
Correct. However we may come to a different understanding of the practical fulfillment of the Mitzvah (think beis shamai vs. beis Hillel)
CSParticipantAlthough there is time to wind down, for me at least, but I guess if no one’s sharing anything interesting here, I’m better off learning from the sources… gnite
CSParticipantYou’re right, there’s a reason I haven’t posted in 4 years
CSParticipantGadolhadofi you can guess (hint 1: when you limit your news consumption to one site, you have more time.)
CSParticipant*positives
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CSParticipantAnyhow, my point with this thread was to share and learn more about the geula so we can all increase our anticipation for Moshiach’s coming (as the Rambam says this is a must to be considered a maamin.) so far I think I’ve shared 5 things to be excited about, and I haven’t heard even one from anyone else. Would love to hear others thoughts
CSParticipantYsiegel (very possible we’ve met in person) I’m not sure what you’re writing in response to. If quoting the Rebbe/ following The Rebbes directives to learn about inyonei geula umoshiach, and share with others, in order to be excited for the geula, is shameful to you, maybe find a rebbe/ rosh yeshiva that you’re not embarrassed by…
CSParticipantAAQ I’m not sure what your latest post was in response to so not sure how to respond…
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