CS

Syag I would say the same because this is my derech. However if I was in a derech that stressed kanaus above all else for example, it could be Hashem would be fine with it…

That’s why having our Rabbanim and Rebbeim to guide us on our Avodas Hashem is helpful and necessary

Well, CS asked on motzei shabbos if it’s worth her time. Judging by the answers it looks like it isn’t. Therefore I have allotted that time to better things 🙂

Gutte voch! I’ve enjoyed my week off, wondering if you’re still awaiting my answers to the questions left unfinished. If yes, I’ll set aside some time this week IYH to answer (at least in only a page or two behind.) Wishing you all a wonderful week ahead

Gutte voch!
Two notifications/ updates:
1) I’ll be not /less available till next week and when I am available will answer questions from where I left off

2) I don’t comment on everything that comes up, especially when I feel other posters do a great job answering the questions. If you specifically want my take on it, ask me for it 🙂

3) my smartphone is pretty much blocked to everything but the websites I get allowed and its a pain to allow them. This means that most things I want to reference sources for I either have to wait till I use my laptop which is filtered but to a lesser extent, or I have to paraphrase the source. But basically it’s not as easy for me to paste in actual source material as username does so nicely, and it’s important to me not to mistranslate or misrepresent any source I do write… Which is why it can take longer for me to answer. But I will in due course iyh…

Anyhow just thought to let you know. Gutte voch.

Username:

“OK. I’ll ask the million dollar question.

Instead of hashing it out, let’s talk sources. Can someone find a source, any source, that mentions this Diyuk or argues on this Diyuk from before 1994?”

Not that I am aware of but why would that matter? The Rebbe as you know was very into diyukim in rashi and Rambam as they were written with ruach hakodesh. Before gimmel tammuz no one cared to look too closely at the lashon because there was no need. But really username you know the Rebbe explained many diyukim in Rashi and Rambam even this Rambam. The one that comes to mind is the diyuk on the word bimkomo. That’s quite a chiddush to make based on a word, don’t you think?more than this I would say….

Aside from the fact that the Rebbe said about the Frierdiker Rebbe that he can still be moshiach even after yud shvat.

I was gonna post the yerushalmi and one other source (it was cut off in the picture but I can ask for it) but you beat me to it username. not sure why you write dismissively it was a typo?aside from the fact that we don’t eat fish and milk because of a typo and not even one in the gemara – what gives you the right to think that? This is gemara…

Rso I didn’t have male support for that but thanks for the compliment (?). Just curious why is shtar eirusin more indicative of a male than shliach kiddushin?

In any case if what you’re saying is true (you didn’t post the mm just said gemara) that the shlucho shel adam kmoso is retroactively cancelled halachically if the meshaleiach passes away, then I take that point back. It was my own. The shimshon point though I think still stands. (That I did have male support for if you’d like – a male sent me pages of a Sefer discussing it.)

Sechel, chassidim thought gimmel tammuz wouldn’t happen for several reasons, from what I understand the shmos chov vov sicha being chief among them. Obviously they had no reason to study the Rambam in that sense as closely, as there was no need. Additionally, even today we are saying that the bchezkas moshiach has to be established when the person is alive. No one is negating that. The question only is what if the person DID fulfill bchezkas moshiach but then passed away yet their work is ongoing so you cannot say lo hitzliach ad ko? That’s what we’re discussing here. Note you didn’t answer my question. I really would appreciate a straight answer.

Sechel:

Me: ““Well we have the halacha that shlucho shel adam kmoso. Also, remember Shimshon, about whom it is said that he reigned for 40 years although he only lived as a shofet for 20. Why? Because his influence over the plishtim extended 20 years after his passing, and Torah therefore writes that HE ruled the yidden for all those 40 years. So as long as the Rebbe’s efforts continue, he can still be considered bchezkas Moshiach.”

Sechel: “That’s wonderful, but that isn’t Koveah Halacha. Ma Zaroy BaChayim Af Hu doesn’t mean that the Rebbe is considered physically alive in the sense that if we weren’t continuing his legacy, he couldn’t be Moshiach, but now that we are, he can. Halacha simply doesn’t work that way.”

I understand that Ma zaro bachayim can’t count as him being physically alive, because, (as NP posted on the 19 p thread,) a judge can only judge halacha by what his eyes see. So even if say, the Rebbe is alive, and is merely concealed, that doesn’t hold up halachically because halacha deals with what we see physically.

But that isn’t what I’m saying. I’m saying that just as Shimshon is considered shofet 40 years in Torah, even though he only physically led them for 20, because his influence continued after his passing, so too here. Why wouldn’t that hold up? ( Note the Rambam never discusses what happens if the bchezkas moshiach passes away naturally. He only says two things disqualify: If he is unsuccessful or if he is killed.)

Once this is clarified I can address the rest.

Ziongate
“For any good deed that a person does by free will, a certain level of RH rests upon him,
and prepares him to do a second good deed.”

Fascinating. Thanks for sharing.

“See Tractate Brachot on how a certain level of Divine Spirit rets upon parents when giving their
child a name.. Orach Chayim in Parshat Vayeitzei, I believe, writes that this is true even of non- Jews.”

Yes for sure I’ve experienced that. I also used to think that it was only for very very holy people, but now I think it’s more of a process… The more tuned into your neshama and Avodas Hashem you are, the more often you experience and the more concrete the experience is. Not necessarily all or nothing… Wanted to know if people have experienced this in whatever delicate manner it is – ziongate gave one example. I could give another three but somehow don’t think it’s appropriate to spell out on this forum…

Also YR I get that it can sound over the top etc but when you look at the results you will see it is the truth. If it really was a problem and distracted from Hashem, then MY generation would have mostly forgotten Hashem cvs or Chabad would have broken down and joined other groups as many predicted. The fact that not only are we not decreasing, but we’re growing stronger shows something. And not only that. We know that it’s only because we’re connected to the Rebbe “over the top” that were the only group able to go out alone on shlichus and still stay fully frum, connected to Hashem and influence our environments.

Laskern The Rebbe analyzes the various sources and comes up with four options:
1) we build what we can led by moshiach, and Hashem will add whatever isn’t clear (the changes in nevuas yescheskel.)
2) Moshiach will put up the doors to the BHMK that Hashem will build, as putting up the doors is like building the whole thing.
3) Moshiach will build the physical BHMK and Hashem will send down the spiritual one and they will fuse together.
4) it depends on our spiritual level. If we’re on a lower level, then moshiach will build it (halacha anticipates worst case scenario hence the Rambam). If we’re on a higher level than it will be revealed from heaven.

Not tonight due to the date but would like to respond to the replies on the Rambam. It would be interesting to flesh out. I may be wrong on some things- as I said this isn’t exactly conventional study within lubavitch – I would like to clarify it for myself as well.

All you people saying don’t do mitzvos to bring moshiach – the era of moshiach is the time period when we’ll be able to serve Hashem fully (as in 613 mitzvos vs. under 300, all shvatim vs. 2.5, in eretz Yisrael with the Halachos of it with the beis Hamikdash etc.). So anyone who cares about doing mitzvos to fulfill ratzon Hashem should want to bring the era of moshiach asap so we can do exactly that. That’s actually what the era of moshiach even is!