CS

Also knowing that is helpful to win over the nefesh habehamis which is inherently selfish (so you show it you’re not committing suicide)

Arso the bris thing was directed by The Rebbe. And not worth looking up for you (so you can pull out something else) you can yourself I’m interested

Actually the approving Rabbanim- one is Litvish, one lubavitch

Your kids can watch the golem stories in 3d animation (videos approved by Rabbanim) on ruchnii dot com

Someday I’ve listed many sources about what you said earlier in the thread. The only point I didn’t follow up on- is that the Lubavitch position (as per the Rebbe) is that Malach will be a leader of the current generation (as he is the one who led them to the finish) so we wouldn’t look for someone from generations past. Yet, The Rebbe referred to his father in law The Frierdiker Rebbe as a candidate for moshiach. There’sa sicha that pieces it together Vayigash lame hey? I think. Including the footnotes. If it’s of interest I’ll be happy to post it

Sensible must be a troll, because sensibly it doesnt make
sense to judge a community of Yidden with well versed etc Rabbanim, mashpiim etc, but some anonymous website or a professors book. Do you also ask professors how to kosher your kitchen? Ridiculous

So I’m thinking that maybe the Yakov Avinu thing needs some support- (although the Rabbi is a big talmid chochom), because some may class it as agaddata- and hence consider it non literal. But it’s not actually a part of the Gemara- it’s meforshim on the Gemara.

And there’s a Yalkut Shimoni that says the same as well.

Additionally, here’s an interesting analysis by The Rebbe on Yakov Lo Mes.

https://www dot hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=15959&st=&pgnum=236

Which is?

לקו״ש שמות כ״ו The Rebbe said that Moshe Rabbeinus neshama must be alive in the body of the Moshe Shebador (Moshe Lo mes).

Oh but the Rebbe is the Moshe Rabbeinu?

I asked why can’t there be a new Moshe?
Answer: because our mission for this generation is to bring Moshiach, so we haven’t finished our mission hence no new leader.

Ok. Wait how does that make sense if gimmel Tammuz happened?

A: no one knows for sure, (because we’re not The Rebbe) but we looked to Torah sources in the topic, (amazingly all discussed in The Rebbes sichos- (YB comes in it’s part of the conspiracy insinuation- right whatever), and here’s what we’ve got:

A) people who decided The Rebbes word overrides what we think might have happened gimmel Tammuz (I guess tzfatis etc) after all who do you believe- optical illusions or The Rebbe?

B) people who believe what the world says and say We don’t understand how what The Rebbe said makes sense

C) middle ground- The Rebbe is alive in the Ohel.

We don’t know who’s right and that’s ok. Just possibilities.

Sources: Rabbeinu Hakadosh made kiddush for his family (obviously in a real body or he couldn’t be yotze them) after his passing

Rabbeinu bachya- a tzadik has a guf gas (material body) and guf dak (which isn’t limited to being in one place at a time) there’s a well known story like this about the Baal Shem Tov as well as the Rebbe Rashab (I have heard the Rebbe too with the Baba Sali but would like to confirm myself which isn’t happening any time soon)

Yakov Avinu- opened his eyes and smiled (after the blood was drained and he was entombed etc) when Esavs head rolled off. (This shows a tzadik can be alive even if his vital signs are gone)

What’s the point of his aliveness? He stays connected to the Chassidim even regarding gashmius concerns- unlike when the tzadik goes to gan Eden.

Just btw, The Rebbe wouldn’t have much to do in Heaven anyway cuz The Rebbe took a public vow that he will not go into gan Eden until Moshiach comes…

I’m starting to think there was a reason for your change in screen name.

You know what? It’s probably not right to leave you hanging. So I’ll post what I know in short- and people can look up the sources themselves for an in depth analysis if desired

Qwerty- I never heard of it growing up and found out that there was such a thing when non Lubavitcher asked me about it. Of course I told them what I thought it meant- that The Rebbe is alive and well in the sense that he is treated as Rebbe and listened to even now.

But I was wondering if there was more to it, so I asked my very knowledgeable and normal Moshiach teacher in high school about it. Ended up quite fascinating

Arso- I’ll agree with your last post- our obsession with Moshiach is because Hashem cares- and we care for Hashems mission and Hashems pain (more than our own in golus)

On that note- have you heard of The Rebbe being alive today? Yah I looked into that one too

Looks like I’m done here as the questions aren’t sincere- at least at this point. I have dira btachtonim stuff to do, and learning/ helping friends if I have spare time. If you’d like a list of why I specifically chose and chose to be Chabad, I’ll be happy to provide. And if there’s any sincere questions (not looking to out us on one thing or another…) I’ll be happy to answer too.

AAQ- it’s because we learn Chassidus that we feel comfortable discussing these topics- the concepts are laid out simply in the sichos (with extensive fns from all over Torah, nigle and nistar. And expounded in depth in maamarim.

As for all of you mischaracterizing The Rebbe- we obviously hold that you’re mistaken (not because we don’t know enough of The Rebbe but because we do) and I would be careful because The Rebbe is a tzadik and it’s not a great Mitzvah to denigrate one.

Any more questions? Qwerty has a lovely Chabad Rabbi to ask.

Rso has plenty of lubavitch contacts (including his relatives).

Yankel Berel- Menachem made great points- and until you think about them and speak differently, there’s nothing to talk about (hence wholesale ignoring)

Rso you’re two lubavitch sources for denigrating The Rebbe, the first I never heard of and after Simple googling it’s obviously not a reliable reference as far as lubavitch goes (see we’re not that stupid- the author thinks The Rebbes Neshama entered his after gimmel Tammuz, so he would like to be the next Rebbe- I never heard of him ever until yesterday)

We’re used to being mocked/ challenged since the beginning of Chassidus.

When one of the Garelik girls (stationed in Italy on shlichus) was challenged by her teacher that even if you take hot water, if you keep adding cold water, it will become cold, she answered, but if you plug in the pot, the whole thing will become hot!

She was right

AAQ- the sources are given so you can look things up for yourself. Chabad dot org has shiurim in Tanya

Rso- “ Why would, say, an Amshinover chossid, while talking to another Amshinover chossid, say, “the rebbe” and mean the Lubavicher rebbe? Can you really believe that that is ever the case, unless, of course the topic just happened to be Lubavich, and saying “the rebbe” in context may mean the Lubavicher rebbe. But then, if the topic was Lelov, then “the rebbe” may mean the Lelover Rebbe.”

Agreed.

Qwerty
“ But even if we accept your premise, why should the Rebbe be the person chosen by Hashem to represent Him not only while he was alive but even after he was dead? He was only the Tzaddik hador according to Chabad?”

Every Jew is chosen by Hashem to represent Him here- the more we live that truth, The more others see it… rabbi cunin was talking to Lubavitchers about our Rebbe , I’m sure he would have presented the ideas differently to others who misunderstand things because they don’t come from our background (as explained previously)

Nassi hador? Yes . Only tzadik? Not necessarily (in fact there’s always 36 hidden)

Avira-
“ we don’t say to Hashem that he should send moshiach in order that they all know who moshiach is; maybe that’s what chabad does, but it’s very twisted.”

No we don’t do that

“Where in any of our tefilos do we pine for the world to know moshiach? We want moshiach SO THAT people will know Hashem!”

Right

Avira- the way you explained how you know of moshiach is exactly the way we would- and how we view a Tzaddik/ Rebbe
etc. (obviously the revelations we’ll see by Moshiach are incomparably greater)

Qwerty
“Thank you for weighing in on cunin’s statement. Despite what CS would like us to believe cunin meant exactly what he said.”

That’s great Dan lchaf zechus at play. Do you know him personally?

“Cunin lived in a different era.* Would that be in the time pf the Besht? Earth to CS. He’s still alive.”

lol I think I said earlier- he saw The Rebbe pre gimmel Tammuz which puts him in a different era relative to me.

”As for my state.ent that Mosbiach will rule rhe world. In a sense thst will be true. He will likely forge peace alliances with all the world’s powers lile Shlpmo Hamelech.Of course, that’s only one possibilty..”

Yes he will rule the world. And that doesn’t detract from the statement that Hashem will rule the world and be the One and Only king as we say in Aleinu. The problem I had with your statement was that Hashem will hand over the reign to Moshiach, implying that we’ll serve Moshiach instead of Hashem cvs(if that were the case I’d stay in golus…)

Avira- I was quoting the Rashi- I’m happy that women did mourn if that’s the meaning- I didn’t read the mefarshei rashi…

My point was that other Tzaddikim can have something that Moshe didn’t have. Rso never heard of this I guess, so I was replying with sources…

Avira-
“Cs, you’re not answering why cunin said that the “whole world” will see that the Lubavitcher rebbe runs the world. Not chabad chasidim being strengthened in their chasidus based esoteric ideas, and not klal yisroel that (to him) should embrace chasidus – no, goyim, the whole world who is unaware of Hashem’s rulership, will know not that Hashem runs the world, but that the Lubavitcher rebbe does, in whatever capacity that is.”

Again you could say the same thing about Moshiach’s kingship if you’ve never learned into what that’s all about. A Rebbe, by definition (in Chabad) is batul to Hashem, so he meant the Rebbe (through nissim etc) runs the world (as opposed to nature). We in Chabad would never say The Rebbe (as opposed to Hashem) because it’sa contradiction in terms. Whenever we say “The Rebbe said…” etc, we mean Hashem speaking through The Rebbe, not the Rebbe with his human aspect (and before you jump on me, in Medrash tehillim it says on Moshe ish HoElokim- that his lower half is man and his upper half is Elokim. (Obviously, not a separate god- his persona radiates G-dliness, what he says is what Hashem says through him etc)

2scents:
“ Halacha does not change, nor do the rest of yiddiin believe they are on some type of shlichus. These concept may seem mainstream to Chabad but not to mainstream yiddin. It’s a newer concept.”

Oh, please show me the Halacha lMoshe Misinai which discusses flicking lights on Shabbos?

Ie Halachic principles stay the same but Halacha definitely adapts to each situation, so there are changes in that way. Same with Chabad…

We’re all here on a shlichus from Hashem (I’m sure there are nigle sources for that, even Avodai heim etc)
And yes, there’sa plan with this world, which is to read it for Moshiach- and as every generation builds on previous generations work- the mission changes- for example in the time of the Tannaim and Amoraim- they were supposed to refine the chochma of the world- so that’s why every person wanted to be a philosopher. Look at today- it’s not the same world.

In general, The golus avoda was generally masculine- forcing kedusha upon the world / conquering it from klipa etc- so it was more desirable to be a boy.

Now we’re at the cusp of geula- we’re entering a feminine era where you will see Elokus radiating from the world upwards, the body will give life to the neshama etc etc (I’m sure theres nigle sources for everything, but these topics are more discussed in the Neshama of Torah- which Chassidus brings down to our level)

So now, for example, The Rebbe elevated women in a way they weren’t previously, to prepare for this era etc etc

Just some examples- but yes there’sa plan with Creation, and as the plan progresses, the focus of the time changes

2scents- regarding yitzro Gadol heimenu- The Rebbe taught about Yochanan Kohen Gadol (The one who went off at 80 years- hope I got the name right) that if a tzadik doesn’t keep pushing at his avoda (which is above struggles with actual aveiros in action, speech, thought as mentioned- Tanya yud)

Then he can lose his level and descend all the way down eventually like what happened by Yochanan Kohen Gadol.

Like we learned in school that in life you need to run up the opposite direction escalator- it’s not a ladder- if you’re not going up you’re going down r”l