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December 23, 2018 5:04 pm at 5:04 pm in reply to: Disappointing event for my son and family #1649808
Neville thanks. About the program itself, Eli Y, I hope the other commentators have given you what to think about as far as your priorities etc.
Just to add, to succeed in the specific Chidon program, a child must be very motivated. Years ago, I learned during recess, lunch and after school. And that was the norm for all Chidon serious contestants (I didn’t win anything internationally the forst year I tried, just from my school.) And back in the day, you had to be one of the top three marks from the school to be allowed to compete internationally. Which meant that if you worked really hard and got an 85% (the tests are in english, tricky multiple choice questions, just the pesukim are in lashon kodesh,) you still wouldn’t make it because the top three were in the 90s. The way they’ve tiered the program now really is inclusive anyone without lowering the high bar of effort and work ethic a child must put in to succeed.
It gives me much nachas when I walk into a classroom, and the students, who have a free period, or end a test or lesson early, eagerly take out their chidon books and start learning.
And for me, besides memorizing all the mitzvos and their details by heart, much of which I know until today, I think the main thing chidon taught me was the lesson of succeeding only by virtue of hard work. That lesson, that you need to put in your all to succeed, yagati umatzasi, has been a tremendous help for me throughout my life thus far. It is worth a child failing one year because they slacked off, to gain that lesson in my opinion. Especially today where many things come by easy and it is easy to slack off and feel entitled.December 23, 2018 5:03 pm at 5:03 pm in reply to: The world is in a state of Geula- and don’t misunderstand us! #1649796
“CS – please address two points:
1) How the Lubavicher Rebbe a=can still be Moshiach even though he is presently dead, when the Rambam says otherwise.”
See post 2 of my 3 posts.
“2) Even assuming the Halacha is not like the Rambam, why is the Rebbe the greatest of all possible dead candidates”
Not necessarily is he. The main reason why we emphasize the Rebbe is because he is the most recent, from our generation, not because he is the greatest.
“3) Why there is a chabad obsession to identify their dead Rebbe as Moshiach even though it contradicts all the evidence,.”
Because there has been a Plan in place for the world. This plan follows from Sheshes yemei beraishis through the seven generations of chassidus. As the Rebbe is the seventh, and the seventh generation is the one to bring the Shechina back to this world, (As Moshe did- the 7th from Avraham, as the Medrash says ko,s hviin chavivin- not that he was greater than Avraham, he just was zoche because he was 7), and the Rebbe is the Nossi hador of the generation, it doesn’t seem likely for any other possibility.
We don’t find it easy- we find it difficult, and we feel we are being tested majorly. But I do feel Moshiach is around the corner judging by world events and the progress on all levels (such as teshuva, kibbutz golios, aseres hashvatim, the downfall of yishmael,) so hopefully we will all see the answers very soon.
” no other Jewish group has this obsession,”
True. Because the other groups barely touch the topic of Moshiach and geula. If you are ignorant of something how can you obsess about it? I literally go through every day looking for more signs of Moshiach in the world. But I wouldn’t be half as obsessed if I didn’t learn so much about the era of Moshiach and Chassidus as well.
“and it makes a chillul Hashem and Chillul Lubiavich for all onlookers,”
It seems to make one when people are ignorant and associate anything connected to Moshiach with non Jewish religions. Just because something sounds similar to another religion it doesn’t mean it is or isn’t. Those other religions were created attempting to copycat yiddishkeit so obviously some stuff will sound similar. The question is what does Torah say about this? Not does it sound to similar to another religion.
“and there is nothing to be gained by it other than perhaps fulfilling a psychological need. It certainly doesn’t bring Moshiach closer”
Maybe you understand better now. And personally being able to visualize Moshiach and Geula in a very concrete way only spurs me on further in my Avodas Hashem to do things right.December 23, 2018 5:01 pm at 5:01 pm in reply to: The world is in a state of Geula- and don’t misunderstand us! #1649786
YR post 3 (final of this series):
Now the Rambam only deals with identifying someone from our current generation to be Moshiach and the criteria to do so. However Moshiach can certainly come from any of the dead, by having techias hameisim earlier than everyone else as has been mentioned earlier. However, that has nothing to do with the Rambam (although it doesn’t contradict the Rambam,) because we could only start to identify him once he is alive again, and preparing the world. If this was the case, (as brought by the Abarbanel and Sdei chemed- who notes that this would take greater zechusim.)
Now, regarding the topic in general, as noted previously, there is the concept of Moshiach revealing himself, then being concealed before finally being revealed again.
This happened by Moshe Rabbeinu, the goel rishon, who told the yidden they were to be redeemed, and then disappeared for a bit while the golus got even harsher (they had to collect the straw.)
Also, to get the Luchos, Moshe had to go up to shomayim for 40 days and nights and it looked as if he had died. They even saw his coffin in the skies. Moshiach is the grand finale of history. We don’t know exactly how anything will play out as the Rambam himself says that this thing of how exactly the process of Geula will unfold, as it has been concealed and even what we know from the chachamim is not a mesora but what they have derived from various pesukim.
One more point I found interesting: Bchezkas Moshiach is on then person himself, his qualities and efforts. However, for him to complete his mission successfully and bring us into the era of the complete Geula, is dependent on us- if we are zoche. The more we yearn for it and work towards it, the quicker the Geula will be here.December 23, 2018 4:30 pm at 4:30 pm in reply to: The world is in a state of Geula- and don’t misunderstand us! #1649781
YR post 2:
Now the Rebbe fulfilled the conditions for being bchezkas Moshiach which are to be
1) a king from Beis Dovid
2)Well versed in Torah and oisek bmitzvos like Dovid his ancestor
3) He coerces the Jewish people to go in Torah’s ways and strengthen (ie fix) its breaches
4) He fights the wars of Hashem
(If you have questions on that, I’ll be happy to answer. Just trying to avoid elaboration where I can.)
Now if someone is bchezkas Moshiach, he is considered so unless:
a) He is unsuccessful
B) He is killed.
Looking at the context here, two main things emerge as the qualifications needed to be Moshiach. One is the Moshiach’s personal qualities, and the other is his effect on the world, preparing it for the Geula.
Now if his efforts fall short and he fails to get the world to the geula (as the next stage of Moshiach vadai denotes), then his chazaka as Moshiach is broken. If the evil forces of the world, which he is meant to defeat, manage to defeat him instead, to the extent that they kill him, he is not worthy of being Moshiach.
Now what happens if the ‘Bchezkas Moshiach’ passes away? Well normally, that ends his efforts so as per A), his chazaka is broken.
But in this case, that isn’t the case, as the Rebbe’s efforts to reach every Jew and even non Jews, continue and have only grown stronger, until today, mainly through the shluchim.
Any shliach you ask will tell you that they are only able to do what they do by the koach of the Rebbe. But can this halachically be considered the Rebbe’s efforts?
Well we have the halacha that shlucho shel adam kmoso. Also, remember Shimshon, about whom it is said that he reigned for 40 years although he only lived as a shofet for 20. Why? Because his influence over the plishtim extended 20 years after his passing, and Torah therefore writes that HE ruled the yidden for all those 40 years. So as long as the Rebbe’s efforts continue, he can still be considered bchezkas Moshiach.
TBCDecember 23, 2018 3:53 pm at 3:53 pm in reply to: The world is in a state of Geula- and don’t misunderstand us! #1649762
Finally to get to YR (and by extension RSo) post1:
Instead of posting and replying directly to your latest post, YR, I will share what I have learned and feel free to explore that. If there is anything after you feel has not been addressed, then ask and I’ll do my best if I can.
The Bartenura writes on Megillas Rus, “In every generation, someone is born of the descendants of Yehuda who is worthy of being the Moshiach of Yisrael.”
Similarly, the Chasam Sofer writes (shu”t chas”S cho”m chelek 6, towards the end siman 98) “There is one who is fitting due to his righteousness to be the goel, and when the time comes, Hashem will reveal Himself to him and send him.”
Truth to be told, this could be learned from the halachos of the Rambam himself when he defines who we can consider to be a candidate for Moshiach, ie bchezkas Moshiach, and who we should consider to be certainly Moshiach, MOshiach Vadai.
The fact this is halacha shows us that we should be looking out to identify such a person and that it is normal and a good thing to do so, This has in fact been the case throughout history where various students claimed their teachers were worthy of being Moshiach.
TBCDecember 23, 2018 3:53 pm at 3:53 pm in reply to: The world is in a state of Geula- and don’t misunderstand us! #1649760
“I find this VERY interesting! I don’t know whether Rabbi Heller is a lubavicher or not, but he chose something which is NOT one of the 7 mitzvos. Rather his intention seems to be to have more people dress in a tznius manner so that we Yidden will have it easier when coming in contact with them.
That I can see the point of. (Sorry for the lousy grammar.)”
It seems you missed the point. Or I wasn’t clear. In any case, part of teaching them how to find meaning in their lives of course included the sheva mitzvos bnei noach as that is a goy’s purpose in life and the only way he can connect to Hashem. He taught them that for their personal good. The favor he asked them for in return was something that would help us- the Jews, by creating tznius clothing styles. This was about six years ago, when all the skirts were short the fashion was tight etc, and women found it hard not to be influenced by the trends as there was practically nothing in the on Jewish shops and it is hard for women to feel nerdy. Now BH there is plenty of tznius styles available, which makes it easier for women who struggle with tznius and fashion to choose tznius because it is plentiful and affordable and you don’t look as much from a different century.December 23, 2018 3:37 pm at 3:37 pm in reply to: The world is in a state of Geula- and don’t misunderstand us! #1649743
Rso Geula Plan post 2:
Then we didn’t finish our task there, and we were now weaker souls as well, so it became necessary for us to leave EY and scatter throughout all the lands to deal directly with the gashmius and nations to elevate the sparks. This was to be accomplished by taking on the culture and mannerisms of the host countries (obviously in a way that halacha condones, such as the business customs (where halacha says you follow the country), mode of dress (Victorian gowns or burkas etc)) and using them in the service of Hashem.
However, even then, we were secluded from the nations, within their countries, by choice or by force. And the maaner of avodas Hashem was to destroy evil, and break the body through fasting often, torturing it etc. If Moshiach would’ve come then, chances are most of the nations would have been destroyed as they were pretty evil, lots of destrcution in the world etc.
Now, time passed. The world became more refined through our Torah and MItzvos until a new era began- that of the Baal Shem Tov- who taught us to work with the world and our bodies, and refine them instead of breaking them.
However, even then, the main work towards Moshiach was something that the tzaddikim did and the regular folk went about their lives connected to the tzaddikim who worked towards this end. (There is a great dramatic story of the plot between R’ Mendel Riminover, the Choze of Lublin, and R’ Yisroel Kozhnitzer, and how they planned to bring the Geula, and how it was foiled… can post if anyone interested.)
Now the process went on until our generation where The Rebbe told us that we only have the polishing of the buttons left. Since that took some time, and in the meantime, the world became more refined and we also became more mature and strengthened, once the polishing of the buttons was finished, and the world is ready for the Geula, now it is our responsibility to bring it, not the Tzaddikim, as this is the best way the Geula can happen for us. It is the most real because it is something that we have to care for and accomplish and thus we will fully appreciate the Geula when it comes as we were the ones who got to finish it off, albeit as midgets on giants shoulders.
Is the process clear? Ie it is easier for us that the geula comes earlier, but the longer it takes, the better it is as we reach deeper and work deeper so we appreciate the final product more.December 23, 2018 3:37 pm at 3:37 pm in reply to: The world is in a state of Geula- and don’t misunderstand us! #1649746
“Interesting how no one has commented on the piece from Sefer Chassidim I posted.” The context isn’t clear. That’s why I haven’t commentedDecember 23, 2018 3:37 pm at 3:37 pm in reply to: The world is in a state of Geula- and don’t misunderstand us! #1649749
“CS, interesting what you write about Bnei Noach. I just don’t believe how that will bring Mashiach closer.”
RSo, part of the Geula is that the whole world will come to serve Hashem. As an aside, you are right that sheva mitzvos bnei noach is a kind of random thing to choose when we don’t have arvus to the goyim etc. However the Rebbe was preparing the world as a whole for Moshiach and that vision includes the non Jews as well, as we say in Aleinu everyday. And as the Rambam says that Moshiach will fix the whole world to serve Hashem. So that’s why it wasn’t random.December 23, 2018 3:23 pm at 3:23 pm in reply to: The world is in a state of Geula- and don’t misunderstand us! #1649731
“But if “even the buttons have been polished”, i.e. absolutely everything has been done, then “the Am” caring about it is included and has already been fulfilled. On the other hand, if it’s necessary that “every regular man woman and child care about” Mashiach coming, and that is not yet the case, then the buttons haven’t been polished.”
K here goes (feel free to ask for the sources of anything I say here, just not typing out each one):
The era of Moshiach is the whole purpose of Creation. What’s fascinating about it is that Hashem so to speak constantly reworks His Plan according to our choices (although He also knows the end result.) This is why there are so many options and variables connected to the era of MOshiach and how it will come about.
In general, chazal speak of the two options of Zochu or Lo zochu. Besides for the literal translation being meritorious, zochu also comes from the word zach- pure. I.e. there is always an option for us to preempt the Plan and bring it early- zachu- but that would entail working on a more spiritual and pure level- zach.
The longer golus takes, ie lo zachu, the more we get into the grittiness and chumrius of the world and deal with lo zachu stuff. But that ends up making the era of Moshiach more enjoyable, meaningful and rich, which is why Hashem prefers the latter.
This has played out in history: To refine the world, as mentioned above, we need to elevate the 288 “sparks” of holiness hidden in the world, by working with the world and using it to serve Hashem. This started with the Jewish Nation in MItzrayim where as discussed previously, they elevated 202, leaving us a mere 86.
Now another point: We were all originally one soul- Yaakov, and the more Jews born, the more our one soul splits into different bodies. Also, every generation the souls have generally less power so they take more people and more effort to accomplish what a previous generation could have. That’s why the Yidden in Mitzrayim were able to elevate an awful bunch, whereas the mere remaining 86 took thousands of years.
The next phase of the Plan (as the 400 year one didn’t work, because we sunk into 49 shaarei tumaah and had to get out early before we finished our task,) was that Yidden would live in Eretz Yisrael and not have to deal directly with the nations etc. Indeed we were commanded to expel/ kill those there so they wouldn’t be any sort of hindrance to us. By the lofty power of our avoda, we were to draw the remaining sparks in chutza laaretz to us in Eretz Yisrael, and thereby refine them without having to leave. We were to be like the bonfire that draws sparks inwards. The Goyim were meant to learn from us by hearing od our example in their lands, and coming to visit etc.
TBCDecember 23, 2018 3:22 pm at 3:22 pm in reply to: The world is in a state of Geula- and don’t misunderstand us! #1649722
YR I was not offended. No worries. And it is a good topic worthy of discussion. I have set some time aside now to go through and answer posts. Hopefully I’ll get to all.December 23, 2018 10:20 am at 10:20 am in reply to: The world is in a state of Geula- and don’t misunderstand us! #1649577
Rso great questions. I’m really looking forward to addressing them. There is a lot of information missing in my post on p 32, but I thought it would suffice to provide a simpler understanding of personal growth vs. polishing the buttons. However your question touches on a whole nother topic which I’ll be happy to address. I’ll be happy to address your other posts too before moving on to answer YRs post and getting into some good Rambam learning on the Rebbe specifically, as discussing the general understanding of moshiach and Geula definitely takes precedence.December 22, 2018 10:31 pm at 10:31 pm in reply to: The world is in a state of Geula- and don’t misunderstand us! #1649251
YR I have run out of time for now but I do plan on getting to yours next iyh.December 22, 2018 10:31 pm at 10:31 pm in reply to: The world is in a state of Geula- and don’t misunderstand us! #1649250
“CS: “People are searching for meaning and stronger connection to Hashem both not yet frum and frum alike nowadays. I even see this by the non Jews in levels never before seen in history.”
Rso: Could you please elaborate on how you see this by non-Jews in unprecedented levels?”
Yeah. As far as I know, we always had geirim, some time periods more than others. But geirim really have Jewish souls to begin with which push them to become geirim, so I’m not talking about that.
I’m talking about the growing number of non Jews coming to learn about Hashem and Torah from Jews to find meaning in their lives (as non Jews) and strengthen their connection with Hashem. Also the many non Jews who believe that their blessings in life will come from being true friends of the Jewish people. Some examples:
CUFI has topped five million (yes they still have false beliefs but they’re way ahead of their ancestors…as the Rambam says in hilchos melachim that the reason why those two religions started to begin with is so they get some of the truths such as belief in One G-d, and moshiach… And then when the truth is revealed they’ll find it easy to discard the garbage their ancestors taught them along with the truth.)
Growing numbers of Christians interested in coming closer to the “old testament” roots and learning from Jews about it.
Many gentiles rejecting Christianity altogether in favour of the 7 mitzvos bnei noach. (We have a two part Sefer recently printed on the details of each of the sheva mitzvos bnei noach driven by demand as the non Jews said we had to inform them of the details the same way we keep kosher practically because we have detailed Halachos.) (There is a centre for them in Texas. They are a hard demographic to sustain because when they learn further, many decide they want to go become full fledged Jews. Nevertheless when in history have you seen this?)
Celebrities coming to rabbis to learn how to have a meaningful life. (Rabbi Heller the mohel has helped a bunch of these, and when they asked him what he wanted in return he said they should start modest clothing fashions… Bh the trend has caught on.)
The parade of the nations in Israel. Etc.December 22, 2018 6:31 pm at 6:31 pm in reply to: The world is in a state of Geula- and don’t misunderstand us! #1649238
Gutte voch all.
“But if “even the buttons have been polished”, i.e. absolutely everything has been done, then “the Am” caring about it is included and has already been fulfilled. On the other hand, if it’s necessary that “every regular man woman and child care about” Mashiach coming, and that is not yet the case, then the buttons haven’t been polished.”
Did you not see my post to laskern several above yours? (My post to Sam and to laskern were posted in the wrong order so it could be confusing.)
I’m any case one has nothing to do with the other. I can elaborate if you didn’t see the post. But it’s on p 32. If you can read it and get back to me if it’s still unclear that would save time.December 19, 2018 7:41 am at 7:41 am in reply to: Disappointing event for my son and family #1647615
Agreed WTP. Something is missing here. My parents are also BT but I can learn fluently in Hebrew Yiddish and even some aramaic. If you are saying that as parents you want to learn with and support him but you can’t due to the language barrier, well I can relate to that. My parents weren’t too helpful when it came to chidon our any homework either. But I didn’t expect them to learn with me- I learned with classmates after school and ended up winning first place international. It can be done.December 18, 2018 7:11 pm at 7:11 pm in reply to: The world is in a state of Geula- and don’t misunderstand us! #1647427
“My point was that Hashem didn’t give over his every power to the Rebbe. In my mind that’s still kefira. I have met lubavitchers who believe that the Hashem gave over all his powers to the Rebbe, and some say, even placed himself in the Rebbe’s guf, and THEY TELL ME it’s kefira, because I believe that Hashem has limits! It’s not that Hashem has limits, it’s that there are certain things Hashem doesn’t do, such as give over all his powers to a ben-adam.
This is why “The Rebbe runs the world” is kefira, plain and simple.”
Hashem does give over some powers to tzaddikim but not all. (As we learn by navi with Eliyahu Hanavi who was allowed one key out of three.) this is the idea of tzadik gozer
As far as putting Himself in the Rebbe you’re misunderstanding. The point is we ALL have Atzmus umehus inside of us. As the Alter Rebbe says in Tanya perek beis that our neshama is a chelek Eloka mimaal mamash. And the essence of our neshama is one with Hashem.
Btw this provides further explanation on the Zohar that Hashem Torah and yidden are all one (@laskern):
The Torah is one with Hashem because it is His Chochma and He and His chochma are one as the Rambam explains, that He is the knowledge, knower and known unlike people where they’re three separate things.
The problem is most of us have this reality covered up by other likes, goals and pleasures, and we only see this truth when a yid has mesirus nefesh. The Rebbe lives this reality where all he wants is what Hashem wants, for the reasons Hashem wants it (for example wanting moshiach because shechina and yidden are in golus, not because of side factors such as wanting an end to sickness and parnassa worries).
But this is the way we really all are deep down inside and seeing the Rebbe living our reality of being one with Hashem helps us tap into it.
Ie the Rebbe expresses atzmus umehus, not replaces or usurps it cvs.December 18, 2018 7:11 pm at 7:11 pm in reply to: The world is in a state of Geula- and don’t misunderstand us! #1647434
“This is why “The Rebbe runs the world” is kefira, plain and simple.”
Sorry meant to address that line in the last post and forgot.I addressed this earlier but in any case its not kefira because it’s not replacement for Hashem. What we mean is it may look like Donald trump decided to move the embassy, (and on yud tes Kislev no less) but really its because of the Rebbe shturming above that Hashem should move things forward towards Geula.
Ie the Rebbe instead of the goyishe world leaders and politics, not instead of Hashem.December 18, 2018 7:11 pm at 7:11 pm in reply to: The world is in a state of Geula- and don’t misunderstand us! #1647436
“Of course not, because if a Chabadnik says outright the Rebbe is not Moshiach anywhere but on the internet he gets run out of Chabad.”
Na like I said we are not into ousting people except in severe cases with no alternative, and that certainly wouldn’t qualify. Ironically I meant it the opposite way that teachers are afraid to talk about it in many cases because parents will get upset that were discussing something controversial that they’d rather avoid especially with the painful gimmel tammuz memories.
“But the Rebbe is not, cannot be, and will not be Moshiach. There’s a good reason why no nonlubavichers believe it. It doesn’t fit according to any halachos at all.”
Funny you say that because there definitely is place to say that in either case. Sdei chemed and Abarbanel say the preferable option is from the dead. Rashi and medrash say moshiach will be revealed and then concealed before he is finally revealed. We were discussing SPECIFICALLY the Rambam which i doubt you have studied much in depth yourself if you write so dismissively.
“I’ve seen Chabadniks twist the Rambam more than the Christians twist the Torah to get their Moshiach to fit.”
Ignoring the d is respectful comparison, yeah there are many lubavitchers who haven’t studied the Rambam in depth and have only surface level understanding. I’ll admit I wrote some nonsense up myself when questioned on the Rambam the first time this came up on the 19 p thread, so I realized when I was shown why what I was saying didn’t hold up very well that I had better get better educated on the topic before I comment further on it. Which I have now. There is still more to look into (mm etc.) but I think I have an understanding that has satisfied me (I have challenged 5 people on the topic) and am happy to look further if something doesn’t hold up.December 18, 2018 7:11 pm at 7:11 pm in reply to: The world is in a state of Geula- and don’t misunderstand us! #1647439
“CS, If Jews would have stayed the full 400 years, there would have been no other galus. The Chasam Sofer explains that Pesach was the cause for Tisha Beov that is why we eat eggs at the seder which falls on the same day as א’ת the first day of Pesach falls as Tisha Beov. It is like being hit by pebbles or a rock, many smaller galuses or a big one.”
Fascinating. I didn’t hear this before but it makes sense with what I did know, namely that Hashem had to recalculate the ketz so that He could redeem them before they fell to the 50th gate of tumaah where they would not have been able to get out from. And they came out with “Rav” which is gimatria 202 out of the 288 nitzutzos we need to elevate throughout history.
This ties in very well – if they hadn’t sunk to mem tes shaarei tumaah, they would have been able to stay the full 400 years, and thus elevate ALL the sparks so we would have had the complete Geula.
Incidentally this also addresses sams question about oisgeputzen di kneplach:
On a world scale we had to elevate all the sparks from the spiritual world of Tohu which “fell” by sheviras hakeilim into this world – oilam hatikkun. We do this by working with the world and elevating it by using it for Torah, mitzvos and Avodas Hashem.
When the Rebbe first became Rebbe there was only a tiny amount of this avoda left – which was referred to as polishing the buttons – the last minor task soldiers do when preparing for the generals inspection.
Some years later the Rebbe said this avoda too was completed so on a WORLD scale we are ready for Geula. This does not mean that we no longer have a yetzer hara or cannot further work on ourselves as individuals. Of course we can and must. But the work of all the generations until now suffices on a world scale to have the Geula.December 18, 2018 7:11 pm at 7:11 pm in reply to: The world is in a state of Geula- and don’t misunderstand us! #1647442
“Halevay we should hear BEKAROV!! Shofro Shel Moshiach.”
I think we are already on a spiritual level but yes we should finally see all these spiritual things physically as well!! I learned that the shofar represents an awakening by Hashem, an inspiration towards teshuva, and as it will be very powerful it is referred to as a shofar gadol. People are searching for meaning and stronger connection to Hashem both not yet frum and frum alike nowadays. I even see this by the non Jews in levels never before seen in history.
As the navi foretold that in those days there will not be a hunger for bread, nor a thirst for water, rather (a thirst) for the word of Hashem.December 18, 2018 7:11 pm at 7:11 pm in reply to: The world is in a state of Geula- and don’t misunderstand us! #1647443
““Men hot shoin ausgepuzt die kneplach”? This was said 30-35 years ago by the Rebbe. Why are we still in Galus then?”
See my post to laskern for background. To answer the question, the Rebbe asked this as well and said all his work is for nothing as moshiach still hasn’t arrived yet. He concluded that the answer is that Hashem wants moshiach and Geula to go from being just something that the Nossi cares about to something the Am, every regular man woman and child care about. So it’s up to us…
(regarding ykk I said earlier I don’t know enough about it but it’s not just lubavitch that doesn’t observe it now).December 18, 2018 4:45 pm at 4:45 pm in reply to: The world is in a state of Geula- and don’t misunderstand us! #1647072
I read it again and this was the jist of it
You can want moshiach to come but if you want him to come now you better be completely ready spiritually”
Thanks for sharing. Although I don’t think I’ll ever be perfect but yes awaiting the Geula encourages us to do the best we can (especially knowing that once moshiach comes, everything we ever did will be known to everyone, and also that only now we have the opportunity to change the world, so we should take advantage while we still can)December 18, 2018 4:45 pm at 4:45 pm in reply to: The world is in a state of Geula- and don’t misunderstand us! #1647306
“Two come to mind immediately, Shlomo Carlebach and Zalman “Shalomi” Schechter.”
Yup that’s who I had in mind.
“At risk of sounding crude, I’m going to say this anyway. The Rebbe wasn’t the fluffy and fuzzy character portrayed on JEM clips lovingly giving out dollars to all those who came. The Rebbe had principles, very storong ones. The Rebbe was absolutely uncompromising on his stances, and did not back down.”
I never thought otherwise. But there’s a difference between standing strong on your principles, and throwing PEOPLE out. With all the thousands of people the Rebbe came in contact with, and the thousands of chassidim you can probably count the ousted people on one hand. And that’s a good thing. To be elaborated on further down…
“The Rebbe was similarly outraged at SBV when he came out with his infamous book, and forbade him from ever writing about Moshiach again, in very harsh terms.”
Really? I thought the story was that when he dropped flyers all over EY saying the Rebbe is moshiach the Rebbe told him to pick them up. And being a chossid, he did. Id be interested to see where you got your information from or if it was made up.
“One can only imagine the Rebbes reaction to much of what is going on in Lubavitch today, and to the Call of the Shofar episode.”
I was at the CH asifa and came away very impressed with how they handled it. The message wasnt one of knocking or ousting the people who went or playing the blame game, the Rabbanim and mashpiim who spoke emphasised that even if it was all kosher (it was still being investigated) why go to other sources when we have Chassidus? And they spoke in that vein – maybe people think chassidus is just for beinonim up etc. As a result several hachlotos were taken, one of which the Chassidus applied series by Rabbi Jacobson is still ongoing today. And we don’t hear of the call of the shofar since then. And there were some strict steps taken with a Mashpia who had gone etc. I think it was very much in line with the Rebbe’s approach. Like i have said, ahavas yisrael means for your own community as well.
“CS, I think you may have bought the image we often sell to Mekurovim about a fluffy and fuzzy Rabbi, with a silky long beard who loves everything and everyone unconditionally, no questions asked. This is a disgrace of everything the Rebbe stands for.”
Nope but it’s not about ousting people its about being true to the truth without waffling and standing up for whats right. For example, Rabbi Emmanuel Schochet pulled a prank with some other bochurim in Yeshiva where they switched around the books in the library and piled up the furniture.
They were expelled. He didn’t really care because he was almost done, but then he heard they were telling the Rebbe that they had damaged books and property which they hadn’t. So to set the record right he wrote to the Rebbe what had happened.
The Rebbe wrote back that he should please come back to Yeshiva but some teshuva was in order and the Rebbe said he should learn some prakim derech chaim (on teshuva) and fast a few half days. He wasn’t too happy about it but he agreed.
Later on he wanted to work and the Rebbe wanted him to write but he was concerned about parnassa. So the Rebbe offered him to work with the mazkirus. And many more incidents.
Here you see the balance by sending a clear message
About right and wrong but working with the indivisible instead of coldly ousting them. As I said if the Rebbe had ousted people left right and center we would have lost many precious neshamos as well as much of our talent.
“Once again, I apologise in advance if my words have hurt you, I have nothing against you, it’s the false ideology that I hate.”
Lol no offense taken especially as I don’t disagree that you must have limits and say whats right.December 18, 2018 3:33 pm at 3:33 pm in reply to: The world is in a state of Geula- and don’t misunderstand us! #1647054
“CS, The Klei Yokor says that Yaakov Avinu could not reveal the time of redemption because if people know that it will not be in their time, they stop hoping, be meyaesh, give up and forget that they are in galus and will not do anything to bring it and thereby they are postponing it more.”
Yes that is brought in the sicha. But the Rebbe asks why would Yaakov Avinu want to tell them to begin with? He couldve figured that out himself.
So the Rebbe explains that the ketz then was yetzias Mitzrayim, which could have been the final one if they were zoche (not the Geula were still awaiting) and he wanted to encourage them to put in special effort to ensure that no chataim would prevent it from being the final one.
However Hashem wanted it to be completely by their own efforts so by him not telling them, they would have a more complete Geula.December 18, 2018 3:32 pm at 3:32 pm in reply to: The world is in a state of Geula- and don’t misunderstand us! #1646956
“Yes we know that. (Although there are stories where people asked for promises from various contemporary Gedolim / Rebbes and were told if you want a promise, not just a Brocha, you can only find that by lubavitch. Don’t know if this is helpful because I don’t know by heart where to find it amongst the thousands of others, I just remember the story itself. But as it’s relevant I thought to mention.)
Let me guess where you can find this story(ies)
In a Lubavitcher Sefer/book”
It was one of the first person stories that happened with someone from manhattan (hadnt been frum) whose daughter was in a coma… Can be found on jem maybe someone would have the link. I remember the story don’t know the link by heart.
But btw the story with R Baruch Ber who told the Rebbe that if he studied by him he would become the next gadol hador of the litvishe world, was told over by Rabbi Shaya shimonowitz from Torah Vodaas, who was present at the time.December 18, 2018 3:32 pm at 3:32 pm in reply to: The world is in a state of Geula- and don’t misunderstand us! #1646960
“True. But that’s only when judging the person who said it. When a statement is clear apikorsus, as that “Hu Elokeinu means the rebbe” statement is, you don’t need the full picture to announce that you yourself, and your group of chassidim, are disgusted by it.”
Yeah I had said that in my original response….December 16, 2018 6:45 pm at 6:45 pm in reply to: The world is in a state of Geula- and don’t misunderstand us! #1645703
“Yeah, that’s why we had a problem with the Call of the Shofar cult. We should be much quicker to throw people and ideas out, there’s a reason why Call of the Shofar targeted Chabad and was successful.”
I don’t think that’s the Rebbes approach. I only know of one person the Rebbe ousted, maybe two. Everyone else the Rebbe helped them grow from where they were. And we would have lost a lot of our talent if he had done that. We dealt with the call of the shofar too. Also when you constantly assur things instead of showing a better way you end up making it more enticing to the struggling people.December 16, 2018 6:28 pm at 6:28 pm in reply to: The world is in a state of Geula- and don’t misunderstand us! #1645645
YR: with your second post I don’t disagree with anything you said. I just also know that as Nossi hador, the Rebbe was the Rebbe of Every Jew and looked out to help even those who fought him. And we understand the Rebbe continues to be Nossi hador and involved in world events without change just as belt . (or we would’ve collapsed a long time ago). The only thing that changed is that we can’t see him which is a big test in emuna and all but the rest is still there.
I learned a fascinating sicha on this week’s parsha. Bikesh Yaakov ligalos es haketz that he wanted to reveal the ketz (which would have been yetzias Mitzrayim) so that they would work extra hard to ensure that no chataim would mix in and they would be worthy of the final Geula then. But Hashem didn’t allow him to tell them because if he had – it would’ve be their own avoda as they would have had this extra help from Hashem – and Adam rotze bkav shelo yoseir mitisha kabin shel chavero.
I find this so relevant to now. But we will win. And we will greet moshiach very soon iyh! Because knowing he is near, even if we don’t know the exact date helps us to redouble our Avodas Hashem to get the job done.December 16, 2018 5:35 pm at 5:35 pm in reply to: The world is in a state of Geula- and don’t misunderstand us! #1645647
““When Mashiach comes, all the talmidim of each tzadik will line up behind his tzaddik. ”
Thanks YR, I don’t know who explained that to you in this way, but I was taught the same way.”
Same here.December 16, 2018 4:57 pm at 4:57 pm in reply to: The world is in a state of Geula- and don’t misunderstand us! #1645633
YR: “First, CS, we have no clue of it was recanted! Second of all if the Yated, Ami or Mishpacha, would put a picture of a gadol and write “Hu Elokeinu” they would be boycotted and have to close down the next day! Certainly no one would let them into their homes, even if they apologized.
Yet Beis Mashiach does the same thing, Meshichist Chabad says “Meh, just don;t do it again” and they keep selling thousands of copies! CS, let me tell you, this would not happen in ANY other frum community”
I thought you said they apologised? In either case I never heard of it and never came across anything like that so I can’t really comment on things I don’t know about. When judging you have to hear the full picture and I don’t. What I do know is we take halacha very seriously and strive to go lifnim mishuras hadin.December 16, 2018 4:55 pm at 4:55 pm in reply to: The world is in a state of Geula- and don’t misunderstand us! #1645630
YR: “When you can go to chabad simchas without ever hearing the name of Hashem, only the Rebbe, when everything is addressed to the rebbe, when kids are encouraged to kiss a picture of the rebbe everyday, when kids only hear about the Rebbe’s yeshuos, YOU may know it’s not avoda zara, but do you think the next generation will????”
Yeah. Listen we just come from different mindsets so to you it would lead to problems but by us it won’t. The same way you wouldn’t blink twice with your grandkids thanking you for a gift you bought them. Obviously the gift come from Hashem but its not a contradiction to them or you so you don’t blink. That’s how it is with the Rebbe and us. There is no conflict. And that’s aside the fact that the Rebbe is my Rebbe too not just my parents Rebbe.December 16, 2018 4:54 pm at 4:54 pm in reply to: The world is in a state of Geula- and don’t misunderstand us! #1645627
YR good to hear you again. I’m really enjoying some in depth learning and challenging on the topic of can the Rebbe be bchezkas moshiach now. They don’t teach this stuff in school really it’s too touchy. When I finish my research I’ll be happy to share with you.
Anyhow “Now we in lubavitch are the last ones to rush to do that and we take it very seriously.”
What I mean is we don’t just yell kefira when we hear something we never knew before or don’t like the sound of (as I’ve come to see some people do here.) to call something kefira we go through the whole due process of vshoalta vchakarta vdorashta heitev. And if after all that it does turn out its actually against halacha, then we will cut them out. But we don’t take cutting out lightly at all. And I don’t think anyone should.December 16, 2018 2:09 pm at 2:09 pm in reply to: The world is in a state of Geula- and don’t misunderstand us! #1645545
Regarding the rebbetzin- the pants are absolute lies, the sheitel I’ve heard conflicting reports – one is that early on she wore a hat that didn’t completely cover her hair (this was way back where most frum women didn’t cover their hair at all, and the rebbetzins did with a hat) but as soon as the Rebbe spoke about it she got a sheitel right away. Others said she had one all along. Regardless she was extraordinary in her tznius. Any kind of kovod made her super uncomfortable and she avoided the masses. Most chassidim (I mean women too) did not know what she looked like. When a crown heights store she shopped at found out that she was the rebbetzin and started giving her special treatment, she stopped shopping there. She never went to shul because she didn’t want a fuss made over her etc. She would introduce herself simply as Mrs. Schneerson from president St. Their home was also very simple. Very few people visited her in her home. She was very different than the Rebbes mother who was a very proud rebbetzin, went to shul often, warmly greeted people and made them feel welcome etc.December 16, 2018 2:05 pm at 2:05 pm in reply to: The world is in a state of Geula- and don’t misunderstand us! #1645534
“Most (if not all) of the gedolei Hador, including Rav Chaim Kanievsky to this day have done the same thru advice and brachos etc. I even know much “smaller” people (unknown people who are huge talmidei chachamim and serve kehillow or yeshivos but are not widely known) who do so even today.
This seems to have been brought by CS and chossid as “proofs” of the rebbes omniscience, so it makes me wonder if you/they are aware that this is something that we find across many many gedolim and tzaddikim of past and present.”
Yes we know that. (Although there are stories where people asked for promises from various contemporary Gedolim / Rebbes and were told if you want a promise, not just a Brocha, you can only find that by lubavitch. Don’t know if this is helpful because I don’t know by heart where to find it amongst the thousands of others, I just remember the story itself. But as it’s relevant I thought to mention.)December 15, 2018 8:37 pm at 8:37 pm in reply to: The world is in a state of Geula- and don’t misunderstand us! #1645084
SH just to note I wasnt speaking of an unattended home birth obviously one with emergency equipment etc
Syag: not at all. Obviously Hashem is the One running the affairs of America right? So if I say Donald trump does does that make a kofer? No because it’s not a contradiction.
Why would this be any different?December 15, 2018 7:55 pm at 7:55 pm in reply to: The world is in a state of Geula- and don’t misunderstand us! #1645058
Two things. Regarding your mm that YR posted, see chelek beis lekutei sichos p 518 where the Rebbe writes that he FR could be moshiach because he could have techias hameisim as an before the general techias hameisim. (This has happened to individuals throughout history see avoda zara 110b)
“Regarding issues like this the Rebbe explicitly said to ask Rofim Yedidim, and follow majority opinion. And we all know what Drs say about homebirths.”
It actually depends on the country and I did the medical research as stated.
“Halacha is quite clear on this as well, the famed Posek Rav Menashe HaKatan, the Ungvarer Rov, wrote vehemently against the home birth movement, and said that if CVS something were to happen to mother or baby, the mother and or those who talked her into it are Mischayev BeNafsham. Will post source soon.”
I called a Rav who said that as long as it’s not more of a sakana than a usual birth (high risk etc) its fine.
Only after that I wrote to the Rebbe, because even if the medical factors of home birth and hospital birth cancel each other out and are equally safe, (not the place for it but what he research of my location showed and medical professionals advised) there still are rare occurrences in which a hospital birth are safer (and others in which a home birth would be safer). So that’s why I wrote in.December 15, 2018 7:49 pm at 7:49 pm in reply to: The world is in a state of Geula- and don’t misunderstand us! #1645056
Rso: “VERY proper, but you’re in the tiny minority in Lubavich in that area.”
Thank you. The scheduling Yeah I’d agree. The not schmoozing with (non family members) of the other gender, that goes for all chassidish people. All our friends. And different communities can be less or more chassidish
as well so maybe your relatives are from a less chassidish community so they’re considered chassidish there maybe? But from what I’ve seen in CH by the chassidish lubavitchers and elsewhere that isn’t the case.December 15, 2018 7:24 pm at 7:24 pm in reply to: The world is in a state of Geula- and don’t misunderstand us! #1645036
DY: “Just to be clear, that’s not the type of rav you should be asking. You should ask someone normal”
Yeah my Rav definitely is. He also knows when something is out of his league and more of a Rebbe question.December 15, 2018 7:14 pm at 7:14 pm in reply to: The world is in a state of Geula- and don’t misunderstand us! #1645035
DY: “No, we can’t. It’s avodah zarah.”
That’s an impressive one liner that explains how my post was wrong. Great many sources you brought. I hope you never say that Donald trump directs the affairs of America because according to you, it’s avoda zara.December 15, 2018 6:31 pm at 6:31 pm in reply to: The world is in a state of Geula- and don’t misunderstand us! #1644987
“The whole thing is a really strange Rorschach where they end up doing what they would have in the first place.”
Really not. If you’re sincere your not looking to do what you would prefer. You look to do what the right thing is. And it’s not always easy. I went to a different seminary than I the one I dreamed of for years because the letter was so clear that that was the right thing to do. It was one of the most difficult things for me to do, but looking back, it brought me many brachos and I’m so glad I did it.December 15, 2018 6:31 pm at 6:31 pm in reply to: The world is in a state of Geula- and don’t misunderstand us! #1644986
“Syag lchachma, agreed, although I’m sure there are live rebbe that refer chabadshlucha to the rebbe igros.
The whole thing is a really strange Rorschach where they end up doing what they would have in the first place.”
Haven’t had that but have had Rabbanim tell me to write to the Rebbe on certain issues.December 15, 2018 6:28 pm at 6:28 pm in reply to: The world is in a state of Geula- and don’t misunderstand us! #1644984
“k-cup, even more than the irony I find it highly unsettling that someone can need to make life altering decisions requiring urgent answers and they don’t talk to a live rav. That they are willing to depend on their own interpretation of selected passages hardly sounds responsible in “life altering ” situations.”
As I have said before and I’ll say again, anything that has to do with halacha I call a Rav. This is in addition not the opposite.
Life altering decisions can be many things, halachic and not halachic, such as where to focus my energies (teaching,’programs, best parnassa to help out my husband etc), whether to go to a certain sleep away camp for the summer, whether I should give birth at home or a hospital after doing the medical and halachic research, what should we do in our current financial situation etc etcDecember 15, 2018 6:27 pm at 6:27 pm in reply to: The world is in a state of Geula- and don’t misunderstand us! #1644983
“It’s ironic, that because you live in “Olam hazeh hagashmi”, you make an extra effort to communicate with the rebbe. you don’t see the irony?”
No I don’t. Living in the world far away from the crown heights Farbrengens and family, I feel the need for a
stronger connection even more acutely so I don’t get bogged down by what I’m lacking here.December 15, 2018 6:27 pm at 6:27 pm in reply to: The world is in a state of Geula- and don’t misunderstand us! #1644982
Username thanks for the beautiful response to neville. I forgot about that part of the post. But just to add two points:
A) you don’t bring people to truth by saying lies. Ie I’m surprised you thought that we say things just for kiruvs sake even if it’s false.
B) you used the expression a bigger mitzvah. I would correct that because halacha is halacha regardless of personal effort. But someone who technically keeps less can be closer to Hashem by virtue of effort.
For example, let’s say there’s a Rav who grew up in a chosheve family and was appointed Rav because
of that and his natural studious Aidel nature. He never really pushed himself to grow in his Avodas Hashem but just did as much as he felt like doing naturally.
Then there’s a yid born to a not frum family who started keeping Shabbos and basic kashrus. It could be he is closer to Hashem than the Rav and his mitzvos are valued more. However, I would quicker send my child for a playdate (
with no special arrangements made) by the Ravs house than the latter precious yid because of cholov Yisrael concerns, atmosphere concerns etc because the fact that he may be on a higher spiritual level than the Rav does not change the fact that movies/ non Jewish music playing in the background are not appropriate for my child.December 15, 2018 6:24 pm at 6:24 pm in reply to: The world is in a state of Geula- and don’t misunderstand us! #1644979
Rso (and the follow up from syag np)
“CS, do you really think I am stupid or do you just simply not understand?
Me “Tznius and yiras shomayim are things that are all around and permeate every aspect of our lives…”
Rso: “Yes, yes, yes. BUT you can’t have kedusha IF you don’t have tznius in clothes. There may be mass murderers out there who dress in yeshivishe levush, and there may be people who dress chassidish who eat dovor acher on Yom Kippur (c”v to both). BUT if you see a group that does not dress tzniusdik then YOU KNOW that they don’t have kedusha regardless of everything else. And Lubavich is unfortunately well-known as having the lowest – and by that I mean against halacha – tznius of women in the chareidi world. (And btw, I mean it when I say “unfortunately”. It’s not something that makes me satisfied that I can use as a weapon.)”
So to your point rso I would say that i agree with you that those dressing less than fully tznius and mixing casually etc it does show a lack of kedusha all around. So if the chassidish of Chabad did that you would have a good point. My response was that:
A) the chassidish don’t have this problem.
Personally, I have to schedule and notify my husband, may Hashem bless him, whenever I have a (even married) friend over because he won’t come home if she’s here, and if he is home, he stays in our room until she leaves.
Now he might be a bit more refined than average, but with me and my friends, if my husband is hosting a mens shiur or farbrengen, I’ll also stay in the room, or go out, but if he’s having a friend over and I need something from the room, I’ll go and get it but I won’t talk to his friend.
Now we do host shabbos meals with both genders and well both share things at the table, but we don’t schmooze with the opposite gender.
B) as to the numbers game, people in your community dress tznius REGARDLESS of their lifestyle. Ie if they’re watching movies or worse they still look the part of a fully frum Jew (and yes that is a good thing) whereas in Chabad those who do those things, you see it reflected in their dress and behaviour, like the litvishe world. So it’s not a fair comparison.
C) if you want to know why we don’t do the communal pressure thing so at least we should all look the part regardless of personal lifestyle, it’s because we think it results in bigger problems, namely
C1: you throw out the baby with the bathwater. Ie you end up pushing Jews who were shomer most of the mitzvos or even all, but not up to communal standards, out of the community and very likely out of Torah observance completely.
C2: you discourage those who struggle with whatever standard there is (let’s say no smartphone) from getting help as that would give them a bad name in the community which would then punish them or their children. This results in
C3: a life of deception for those struggling, which obviously begets even worse issues, and a tendency to get worse instead of better.December 15, 2018 6:20 pm at 6:20 pm in reply to: The world is in a state of Geula- and don’t misunderstand us! #1644977
“Mamash avodah zarah”
Mamash not. If I thank Moshe for saving the Jewish nation from extinction with his davening, would you say Mamash avoda zara because Hashem saved them? No. Hashem saved them in the zechus of Moshes davening so Moshe gets credit too. And we thank our Rebbe when a yeshua happens because it happened in their zechus etc. Obviously the yeshua itself comes from Hashem.
Same here. The Rebbe pretty much vowed he would not go to gan Eden (so he would not forget about us) until he succeeds in bringing the Geula.
The way Chabad is alive and expanding today, and more people learning Chassidus than ever etc, is due to the chayus the Rebbe is pumping into us. There is no other way to explain it. If we were just living off the Rebbe’s legacy we would be decreasing every year. And the Rebbe us certainly still urging Hashem to send the Geula and when Hashem listens to that and we see miraculous events bringing the world to that state (especially when its connected to Chabad) we can say the Rebbe is running the world the same way Torah says vayaminu baHashem uvMoshe avdoi. Eved melech melech. We have a mitzvah to honour talmidei chachamim the same way we honour Hashem etc.and rebelling against your Rebbe is rebelling against Hashem (Rambam brought as we see from Korach.)
Because it’s not a contradiction. The more we connect to the Rebbe the more we feel Hashem is real and connect to Him even stronger.December 14, 2018 1:09 am at 1:09 am in reply to: The world is in a state of Geula- and don’t misunderstand us! #1644686
YR: would you like me to explain the “Rebbe being the brain” “the Rebbe running the world” etc? I could. I think you may have mentioned in regards to reuven wolf, but when I spoke to one of my mashpios tonight as per the Ravs instructions, she used the latter expression and I remembered that no one really answered you on that.
Lmk any other questions if you have.December 14, 2018 1:08 am at 1:08 am in reply to: The world is in a state of Geula- and don’t misunderstand us! #1644684
Rso (and neville):
“Sorry, but I don’t know what you’re talking about. My argument is and was that for a group that lacks in tznius compared to all other chareidi groups to lecture us on chassidus is unacceptable.
You wrote that you can’t just judge the tznius level of a community by the way they dress, which would allow you to say that my argument is wrong, and I countered by saying that you can indeed judge a tznius level. Therefore, lubavich’s lack of tznius shows something rotten at its core.
No change of argument at all.”
Ok you’re not leaving me with much of a choice I’ll elaborate for you. Tznius and yiras shomayim are things that are all around and permeate every aspect of our lives, including dress but not more than everything else, as we see from Kimchis as explained and also shaul hamelech.
Shaul hamelech is termed a tzanua by chazal not because he wore pants and not shorts. It’s because when he needed to relieve himself he used a cave inside a cave even though he was alone in the desert. Because he was so aware of Hashem’s Presence.
So that being the case, I can definitely say that you are wrong to compare the two by dress. Of course dressing tznius counts as dressing tznius and is a mitzva even if you are no yirei shomayim, but to compare the yiras shomayim and kedusha based on dress in two communities which work completely differently is silly or should I say not a fair comparison.
Now I have avoided it till now but I can give you two true examples (without names etc) one of a male and one of a female in chassidish communities who were much worse off in yiras shomayim than the in between Lubavitchers you complain about whos tznius levels aren’t up to par. (And I will still argue with you that its not a problem by the chassidish, just the in between and modern). And they dress the part. So yeah they get the credit for the dress but if they’re questionably frum then you can’t use them for your yiras shomayim comparisons.
But I’m not really interested in bringing them and if you can understand my point without that would be much better.
we also have our own bad stories. The difference is that our bad stories are about people who don’t pretend to be tznius in any shape or form and are clearly questionably frum in dress and behaviour (im not talking about our in between lubavitchers at all cvs). Whereas with yours they take great pains to dress and act the part so you would take them as a fine example to measure up in numbers where lubavitch is leaving in overall tznius and kedusha when really that’s the furthest from the truth. You understand now?December 14, 2018 12:50 am at 12:50 am in reply to: The world is in a state of Geula- and don’t misunderstand us! #1644680
Chossid if you didn’t understand my post, there is no point in me responding to another one on the topic. Maybe ask a friend to explain it to you. I don’t think it’s that difficult to understand. In any case I’m not trying to convince you to use iggros. Yhi Loch asher Loch. I also know there are other ways the Rebbe will and has answered me. Just for me, iggros is the most personal. And I don’t write “to iggros” I write to the Ohel and open iggros afterwards… But yeah.