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November 7, 2023 4:56 pm at 4:56 pm in reply to: Ukraine is more important than israel to joe biden #2237326
You are a sick kofoi tov. Biden has taken a strong stand in support of Israel despite it costing him support among his base. The progressive base of the Democratic party is up in arms over his resolute support for Israel. Congressional staffers have sent letters of protest over his pro-Israel stance. DNC members have threatened to resign, and his poll numbers among Democrats have sunk because of his unabashed support of Israel. Biden can very likely lose a swing state like Michigan because of his loss of Arab and Muslim support. Your comments are grotesque and show how partisan politics has infected and polluted your mind.
Hopefully, they offer him a plea deal to retire in Slovenia or somewhere remote with a commitment to stay out of American politics so that he will no longer be a danger to American democracy.
Michael Flynn retweeted “not anymore Jews, not anymore” He also called for one religion in America. Paul Gosar has repeatedly spoken together with neo-Nazi’s. Greene Taylor blames the “Rothschilds” for starting California wildfires and spoke at an event hosted by neo Nazi Nick Fuente right after he made jokes about Hitler. Yet all good Jews must vote Republican because Apple made an emoji.
All good Jews must vote for a party whose National Security Advisor tweeted “not again Jews not again” and who called for America to only have one religion because Apple made a pregnant man emoji.
Sure because Apple and Netflix are Democrats. Pure idiocy from those that proudly align themselves with the party of Paul Gosar, Madison Cawthorne, Majorie Greene Taylor, and Lauren Bobart.
McConnell has publicly condemned Gosar and MTG. As has Rona McDaniel. Rick Scott and Mitt Romney have done so as well. Even Kevin McCarty has expressed outrage. But Trump is silent..The “tough guy” who is unafraid to talk is quiet. The so called “friend of the Jews” has no comment. Trump is fine with antisemites as long as they support him.
Bill Barr states the obvious in his new book:
“Trump cared only about one thing: himself. Country & principle took 2nd place.”
MGT and Gosar are not nobodys in Trump’s GOP.. They are Trump’s loudest and biggest supporters. That is why Trump will never condemn them.
Hooray for YWN. At 10:00pm tonight the MTG / Gosar story was posted.
Gadolhadofi: it’s working! It’s working! Just hang in there a little longer and you will come around as well.
Well your reading my posts instead of Townhall and Breitbart so it’s a good start
In any case would you care to address the question raised in the thread or is pro Trump bias just to be accepted?
Don’t expect Trump to condemn Gosar or MTG..A coward like Trump will never condemn his loyal minions. And Trump’s “genius” buddy is starting to look a little less smart these days.
Gosar and MTG attend conference with racist neo Nazis (again). Any comment from Trump? GOP? YWN?
In other news Biden got Germany to do what Trump could not get Germany to do. Biden is effective on the world stage and Trump was a dismal failure. But the guy with the very big ego and his red hatted followers will never admit it
Trump has one policy his ego.
When Bibi is good for his ego he loves Bibi. When Bibi is bad for his ego he curses him out.
When condemning antisemites on the left is food for his ego he condemns them, when tolerating antisemites on the right is good for his ego he defends them.
When Mike Pence is bad for his ego he dumps him under the bus (Same for Jeff Session, Barr, and anyone else)
When defending and befriending murderous despots is good for his ego he does just that.
When tearing up the constitution is good for his ego he encourages that.
Trump has no policy or value besides himself.
My posts are not meant to deflect criticism from Biden. By all means criticize him when necessary. My posts are meant to counter the grotesque infatuation that so many in our community have with a despot wanna be. Sadly frum media has become a mouthpiece for right wing populism akin to News Max and OAN. I hope that my posts will help offset the biased one sided “reporting” though realistically I know that they likely will not I pray that it helps break the idol worship of this false deity.
Always Ask: I appreciate your points and perspective Tough I may not agree with them I firmly believe that political dialogue and discourse entails listening and considering opinions other than one’s own.
Sadly much of what passes for political discourse today is just juvenile and petty. YWN would do better featuring the views of posters on this thread than what currently passes for oped and “news”.
That being said I believe that Trump’s comments calling Putin a genius on the day he invades a sovereign nation and The House GOP mocking Biden immediately after he addressed the nation in a time of crisis is way out of bounds and shows that Trump and his acolytes in Congress are unfit to serve this great country.
Midwesterner: according to your convoluted logic a government official that is corrupt and is considered incompetent and an impediment to necessary governmental reforms by both the US and EU would receive blanket immunity from American government policy because he happens to also be investigating a company that the son of a high ranking US official works for.
Sure, and the European Union was also out to aid Hunter. Putinesque distortion of reality has sadly been harnessed by Trump and his purveyors of alternative facts.
Midwesterner: Biden never bragged about stopping an investigation into Hunter. He never linked aid to Hunter. The Ukrainian official that the US demanded be removed was a corrupt official suspected of funniling aid to his cronies. This was the position of the US and EU. It was public government policy. Do not try to conflate this with withholding aid unless a PUBLIC investigation is made into an opponent who recently announced he is running against you
Always Ask Questions – Please read my posts before responding and please do not attribute things to me that I clearly did not say. “so, you seem to say that bad things during Biden are due to Trump, during Obama – due to Bush , etc” This is a blatant falsehood or at a minimum a total lack of comprehension.
My point was that most issues are complex and complicated and require a nuanced approach. It is foolish to attribute the fault solely with the person who needs to deal with the consequences of national or global events. That was my point about Clinton and Bush. It was not that it is all Clinton’s or Bush’s fault. I have highlighted many instances of such policy under Trump where Biden is dealing with the consequences (and may well be mismanaging them or not).
When a builder fails to correct a flaw in the foundation of a building it is not a “fact” that the occupant is incompetent because the house collapsed on his watch.
“The facts speak for themselves.” Claiming that George W. Bush is solely responsible for 9/11 despite the fact that Clinton passed on a clear chance to eliminate Bin Laden because the twin towers didn’t come down under Clinton is obvious nonsense. So to those that ignore the very real consequences of Trump’s reckless and destructive policies. Results of failed policies like Clinton’s error often take time to materialize.
What does CNN have to do with the conclusion of the Senate Intelligence Committee? The Republican led committee concluded that Putin interfered to help Trump. Putin prefers Trump.
Trump recked US alliances which was fine and good for Putin. Trump was fine with dissidents being cut up in embassies which is also good for Putin types.
Trump’s policies were a disaster and he left the mess for everyone else. Iran drastically increased uranium production under Trump. Iran decreased it’s nuclear breakout time under Trump. Trump negotiated with the Taliban terrorists and undercut the Afghan government Now that the Orange haired genius is gone it is everybody else’s fault.
Trump installed Jerome Powell as Fed Chair. Trump advocated for easy money policies. He even pushed for an additional 2k stimulus payment opposed by much of the GOP. Inflation is as much Trump’s issue as anyone elses and probably more so.
We are all old enough to remember how Trump did Putin’s bidding on the world stage in Helsinki. Thank goodness the autocrat wanna-be is gone and busy with his new Pravda Social.
And the Republican-led Senate Intelligence Committee concluded that Russia interfered in the 2016 election on behalf of Donald Trump. It is quite obvious that Putin prefers Trump.
It does not mean that all non Jews hate Jews. It does not mean that non Jews always hate Jews at all times and it does not mean that every non Jews has a secret inner hatred of Jews. Rav Eliyahu Henkin zt”l refers to such talk as silly against the Torah and plainly untrue.
Thank Hashem that you were born into a community that is affluent. That even if you are not wealthy you can easily make connections with people that are. Thank Hashem that you have access to many members of our community that can provide funds for investments and provide help when needed. Recognize that many people in America do not have that ability. Recognize that communities of color tend to be poorer and that they do not have the same access to capital and aid. Try to care for others instead of hating them. Try to understand the difficulties that others face. Instead of focusing on the bad focus on the good. Trumpian right-wing rage is not good for your health or well-being it is also not good for political discourse in this country. Next time there is an instance of Police violence don’t reflexively dismiss it. Read about Emmett Till. Read about the lynchings in the Jim Crow south. Don’t hide from history learn from it.
Health – No, voting Democrat does not make one a Democrat, and being a Democrat does not mean that you agree with all of their policies. Many Democrats disagree among themselves as in Manchin and Sanders. Being a Republican also does not mean that you agree with all Republican policies and Republicans themselves have a diversity of opinions as in Cheney and McCarthy.
The one political movement that demands full fealty to and adoration of its leader and his ideas is populist Trumpism. No dissent is tolerated in the Trumpian political world. One may say he dislikes Trump’s style but must believe fully that every policy of Trump was brilliant and that those who criticize him are evil traitors bent on destroying America.
Please recognize that the Trumpian populist rage media likes it when its adherents rage against others. They like to stir the passions of anger and resentment. Try to extricate yourself from the quagmire. Cut out the name-calling. Listen to the other side once in a while. Recognize that both sides have validity and that no one is evil.
Philosopher – Your comments on “blacks” reek from racism. Your personal experiences do not give you license to tarnish an entire race with comments such as “Blacks have killed Jews, many blacks hate Jews, I have personally had blacks displaying racism towards me. ” Those comments are revolting and disgusting. Whites killed Jews as well many hate Jews as well yet it would be wrong to label whites as such and so to blacks.
Health – It seems like you can’t control the name-calling, Now it’s DemonCrats etc.
My humble advice is to see the good in people even those who have different skin color or a different outlook on issues. Recognize the hardships and sufferings of other people and ethnicities, Recognize that you are blessed to be born into an affluent community and that not everyone is as lucky as you are. Work on containing your rage and hate. Try turning off the populist conservative rage media for a day or so. Enjoy life. Life is good.
Kissinger makes the case that Biden should not have followed through on Trump’s plan but done something different. Trump’s withdrawal plan was flawed. This is exactly my point. What is with Trump people that they must make Trump infallible?
Health; Philosopher etc: Make a cheshbon hanefesh. How often have you used or tolerated racial epithats in the past week; month and year? How often have you described or sat idly by as people described another people as chayos, behomos, monkeys, n-word, shvartzeh, cursed as slaves etc just based on their skin color. Be honest with yourselves and then look in the mirror and say that you are not racially biased.
(“The only ones that get help in the Frum community is s/o is being persecuted for No good reason!” This statement is patently false and ridiculous. It’s time to move out of conspiracy world and face reality)
Philospher – For being a philosopher your arguments are quite shallow. Many are blatant falsehoods
– such as “no consequences whatsoever” and in any case, two wrongs don’t make a right. There are more whites in America than blacks so its percentages that need to be compared and not total cases. If you were accused of a crime you would have pidyon shvuyim campaigns getting you the best lawyers in America. When a black American is arrested he is given a court-appointed lawyer and often ends up plea bargaining to save his skin even if he is innocent. The facts on incarceration are not debatable but you need to take your head out of the populist sand to see them. Honestly try for a moment to stop and question where your “feelings” come from. How do you talk to your kids about black people? Do you give over a sense of respect for another human being or is it rage and hatred to others? No ethnic group is monolithic and trying to paint all with one brush in itself leads to racist stereotypes.
Health – Your defense of Trump on Afghanistan is flawed on many counts but the most obvious nad jarring is that a week before the Afghan withdrawal Trump publicly boasted at a rally that he is responsible for boxing Biden in to withdraw from Afgahnistan. Trump said “I started the process, all the troops are coming home, they (Biden) couldn’t stop the process. 21 years is enough. They (Biden) couldn’t stop the process, they (Biden) wanted to but couldn’t stop the process.” Obviously, Trump changed his tune when the going got bad but it is quite obvious to any honest observer that your logic is flawed and incorrect.
Health – Thanki you for proving the point that some Trump supporters have a problem facing reality and resort to name-calling and labeling due to a lack of coherent and cogent arguments. Trump’s own cabinet members faulted his policies as did his allies like Senator Lindsey Graham. Trump is not a diety he can make a mistake.
Philosopher – Your comments show how you would benefit from education that highlights and focuses on the black experience in America. Try reading about the black experience. Recognize that blacks receive longer prison sentences for the same crimes committed by white people. Feel for the mother of Trayvon Martin who looked suspicious because he was black. Feel for the kids and parents at Hobgood elementary school. Be honest with yourself and recognize how different your reaction would be if it was a black mob storming mostly white capitol instead of white Trump supporters. Make a cheshbon hanefesh and look inside your heart.
Donald Trump appointed Jerome Powell as chairman of the federal reserve. Powell’s easy money policy of holding interest rates at about zero and buying treasury bonds has increased liquidity in the market and is definitely a factor in rising inflation. Trump very publicly pressured Powell to keep rates low. This does not mean that Powell’s policies are wrong as the alternative may have been worse but it is yet another example of how putting all the blame on Biden for inflation is wrong and untrue.
Trump released thousands of Taliban prisoners and Pompeo posed proudly with Taliban leaders. There is no way that these actions did not contribute to the Taliban takeover and American deaths. Trump even publicly boasted of boxing Biden in on the Afghanistan withdrawal. Biden deserves blame for continuing Trump’s misguided policies but there is more than enough blame to go around.
Supply shortages are a global issue. There are shortages in England, France, and parts of Asia. This is a complex global issue. Renault stopped production in France due to a lack of semi-conductors. Just as a COVID outbreak is not Trump’s fault a global parts shortage cannot be placed solely on Biden’s shoulders.
The black community may have high instances of anti-semitism but any honest person will admit that the attitudes that are prevalent by many in our community towards their community are equally reprehensible. Our schools and talmidim would benefit from teaching and learning subjects that focus on the experience of minorities in America instead of reflexively dismissing every racial issue.
Not everything on my list is Trump’s fault. I completely agree with that. My point is that so too not everything on the anti-Biden list is Biden’s fault. It is time to move past the asinine and petty remarks that have come to define our political discourse.
Under Trump crime skyrocketed throughout America but of course, there are other factors out of Trump’s control that must be considered and the same applies to Biden.
To claim that when Trump negotiates with the Taliban, cuts out the Afghan government, and does not insist on enforcing agreeable benchmarks he is somehow making America stronger but when Biden carries out that agreement he is solely to blame for making America weaker is simply absurd.
To claim that when Trump publicly states that he has fallen in love with a murderous despot and salutes North Korean officers he is enhancing America’s global standing but when Obama bows to a Saudi Royal he is undermining it is equally ridiculous.
To scream “Venezuela” when Biden opens the spigots of government largesse but then look the other way or yell “MAGA” when Trump costs the Republicans the Senate by publicly feuding with McConnell and insisting on untargeted $2000 checks for all is pure hypocrisy.
There is good and bad on both sides. Childish unintelligent comments such as “Anything the Democrats Touch Gets Worse” and ‘This has been obvious for over half a century” should have no place among a tzibur that is supposed to be an “am chacham vnavan”
We are not Republicans or Democrats, Conservatives or Liberals. We are Yidden. When we invest ourselves so thoroughly in one political camp that we reflexively lash out against the other side as if it is a personal affront or religious obligation to do so we have crossed the line. Republicanism is not our religion.
Under Biden we have:
Additional Child credit helping hundreds of frum families.
Additional health insurance premium support that helps hundreds of frum families.
Additional security funding helping many of our mosdos stay safe.
Record real estate values helping the many homeowners and investors in our kehillos.
Record stock market valuations helping many investors in our community.
Additional funding for Iron Dome helping to enhance Israel’s security.
Five million new jobs created.
Record bipartisan infrastructure bill likely to pass bringing much-needed improvements to America’s roads and bridges necessary to keep our country competitive.
Under Trump we have:
Neo-Nazi’s proudly marching in Charlottesville.
Shootings at synagogues in Pittsburgh and Poway.
Racial tensions and racial violence in American cities.
Trump supporters storming the Capitol.
Iran greatly increasing its uranium production and reducing its nuclear breakout time.
The longest government shut down in US history.
Ballooning and out of control deficit.
Pressuring of Georgia Republican state officials to overturn an election.
I am still searching for an adequate explanation for the original question posed above. It is sad when the best response is “the media” is unfair to Trump so somehow that makes it OK to blatantly mislead and enflame tensions regarding Biden. If YWN won’t take achrayus to present news in an unbiased fashion perhaps we can at least all do our part by dialing down the incendiary rhetoric when discussing politics at the shul kiddush or at home. Let’s debate the issues and get rid of the baseless name-calling, labeling, hyperbole, stereotyping, and fearmongering.
Still searching for an adequate explanation for the original question posed above. It is sad when the best response is “the media” is unfair to Trump so somehow that makes it OK to blatantly mislead and enflame tensions regarding Biden. If YWN won’t take achrayus to present news in an unbiased fashion perhaps we can at least all do our part by dialing down the incendiary rhetoric when discussing politics at the shul kiddush or at home. Let’s debate the issues and get rid of the baseless name-calling, labeling, hyperbole, stereotyping, and fearmongering.
GH- True YWN can do what they want. But being able to do what you want does not mean that it is the correct or right thing to do. Many people turn to YWN for news and there should be an achryus for honesty and integrity. YWN reporting has an effect on many in our community and that trust must be taken seriously. Just because many people click on such stories and then generate ad revenue does not make it right or correct.
CS & MFM: Any media outlet that frames news with blatantly biased headlines is wrong and deserving of criticism. This is true regardless of our political persuasions. When Trump is treated unfairly it is wrong but two wrongs don’t make a right. It is wrong to falsely inflame passions and tensions.
News media has a responsibility to present news as distinct from opinion. Additionally, there is an obvious issue of yashrus, honesty, and integrity. However, the issue is larger than that. The “Biden’s America” headline is on an article that is discussing crime statistics under Trump. The headline is blatantly false and misleading. Many readers only read the headline and it leads them to increased anger and rage for no true reason.
A show that is one sided and fails to present nuance and depth does not enhance chochmah. A show that features mocking of others does not lead to enhanced middos. Shows such as these have corrupted our youth with values that are foreign to Torah and Yiddeshkeit. If you care for your childrens chinuch teach them to listen and think and not mock others.
True, sad, and very unfortunate.
Never Trumpers are true conservatives who still believe in controlling the national deficit, free trade, strong alliances, and moral leadership. Never Trumpers are opposed to Trumpian populism which has nothing to do with true conservatism. Never Trumpers also oppose Trumps non-stop spreading of lies and disinformation which has only escelated post his historic election loss. Never Trumpers put the country over the party and oppose all of Trump’s attempts to subvert democracy. Never Trumpers were wildly successful in bringing about Trump’s downfall.
Trump lost. The election is over. Is your question in regard to 2024?
Of course, Biden is better and not just regarding the Coronavirus.
@commonsaychel – Bowman and Jones were elected in a liberal stronghold of NYC. There are NYC and San Fransisco Democrats who are clearly progressive and liberal but there are also centrist Democrats like Henry Cueller of Texas and Abigail Spanberger of West Virginia. In the one poll representative of the national Democratic party as a whole, the party chose a centrist that is what truly matters.
@motcha 11 – The first amendment includes freedom of assembly. It was Trump who tried to use the insurrection act against those who assemble against his will. Sec. Esper opposed Trump’s authoritarian impulses and that is why he was fired today.
Also, would you care to back up your claims that Democrats have fought against free speech and religious expression? Please provide examples to back up your assertions.
Special call out to the many frum Jews in Teaneck who helped reelect centrist Democrat Josh Gottheimer a true friend of Israel and chairman of the bipartisan problem solvers caucus.
Welcome! Thanks for popping in!
It concerns me more to watch Republicans undermine Democracy and rile up passions with baseless claims of widespread fraud.
The one Democratic poll that matters is the Democratic primary which was won by one of the most centrist Democrats in the pack. The party chose Biden and did not follow the radical example set by the Republican party faithful. The Democratic party is large and diverse. As President-elect Biden said “The grim era of demonization ends now”
Chill Out. Stop with the hysterical nonsense. Canada is governed by the Liberal Party under Justin Trudeau. Canada is more liberal than Biden would ever make America. Canada is a great place to live with a very strong social safety net. Frum Jews live a very high quality of life in Canada and benefit from socialized medicine and child assistance payments. Stop believing the nonsense of right-wing pundits that liberals equal socialism and communism. Stop the nonsensical hate and name-calling. Focus on issues and stop labeling others. Stop painting the entire Democratic party as the party of AOC it’s a lie and not true. There are many blue dog centrist Democrats.
Joseph “Women shouldn’t be working. That’s the husband’s job.”
Please keep your misogynistic comments to your self. We dont live in the dark ages. Women actually leave their houses and can hold productive jobs and have a career. Women are essential part of the American workforce and there is no reason why frum women can not hold jobs that are within the boubdries of tzniyos.
Republican Rand Paul the only senator to oppose the pro-Israel anti-BDS bill. Republican Steve King defends White Supremacy and White Nationalism.