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Went to a yeshiva wife mesbiah last night from 1030 till 230
Hundred of guys all dancing drinking food great time was had by all this is generally not the group that if they do get sick it’s not fatal the older people in attendance took precautions if your smart about it it should be ok we didn’t do anything like this with enola h1n1 avian flu etc which were more deadly so why all the hype
A) Trump derangement syndrome
B) media hyping this to the sky unlike with the other viruses where they said nothing to see here Bec it was Obama
C) social media
Zoomer when did you become the poske acharon.
Reb Moshe ztzl you to have people come and show them there shavers. He was known to test them on his arm seeing how it cut the hair. There are 2 organizations that have poskim/rabbanim that check and create appliances for the frum vely. They have a list that give you the names of shavers they found to be acceptable. Paskin for your not evryone else.
i know one of the mashgichim from hebrew national a charadi israeli. He davened in the yeshiva in Milwaukee for yom tov twice. i asked him how a charadi wound up giving a hecsher at hebrew national and he told me that he wanted to upgrade the standards where even though alot of kulies were being used it was on a high level of kashrus then it was be he came. Bedeved he said it was good but not for bnai torah. He said that everything was kosher but with many kulies.
There is an institute in israel that has a list of all shavers they consider mutar this is based on extensive research they have carried out
Zomet.org.ilMay 15, 2019 11:49 am at 11:49 am in reply to: Does Rav Chaim Kanievsky shlita prohibit men from shaving their beards? #1727308
So Reb Moshe didn’t know halacha.That’s news to me and many more people in here.
Do you think Reb Moshe would check electric shavers as he did by running then up and down his arm to see what it did to his hair on his arm. Yes the shaver was off. Do you think he would paskin which shavers were good if it wass issur min hatorah.May 15, 2019 11:20 am at 11:20 am in reply to: Does Rav Chaim Kanievsky shlita prohibit men from shaving their beards? #1727306
So Reb Moshe didn’t know halacha.That’s news to me and many more people in here.
Do you think Reb Moshe would check electric shavers as he did by running then up and down his arm to see what it did to his hair on his arm. Yes the shaver was off. Do you think he would paskin which shavers were good if it wass issur min hatorah. I don’t think so.May 13, 2019 11:40 pm at 11:40 pm in reply to: Does Rav Chaim Kanievsky shlita prohibit men from shaving their beards? #1726575
Only one mehalach makes sense
Whatever the reason is for bnei torah starting to shave and wear short do non of understand that if there was an issur min hatorah or drabbanim that gedolim of prewar Europe knew all shulchan auruch shas poskim puskim etc and im sure if there was an issur eithe dorisa or rabbanim they would have done something asap
Shuli what malacha do u do
Also i did say its interesting that rav dovid lebowitz son did not wear long till rav aharon kotler told him to the current 2 rosh yeshivas just put on long after rav shmuael told them to
Rav pam who was a talmid movak of rav david lebowitz never wore long
Rav moshes son rav david doesnt wear long one of the rosh yeshivas in passaic also doesnt wear long so thete must be something to it and rav henoch lebowitz only wore long at simchas shabbos yom tov otherwise he wore a dark gray suite for many years
Rabbi kornglas from ner yisroel told bachruim to shave for Shabbos
Yeshiva chofetz chaim shaves lkovod shabbos if somone shaves at lrast 2x a week
Very interesting conversation. As far as i understand, theres a machlokes if you have what i can call detacted payos or the sideburns that go down your face by your ear. As far i can ascertain, the “attached” sideburns is what the non chassidc world held is halachic peyos.
Did you assume all of the gedolim you mention look like that in thete youth.Also a number of gedolim including rav pam rav rav David Feinstein and foe a number of years rav henoch lebowitz didnt ware long
Also, there is a mahalach and it pertains to many areas of yiddishkiet that once something is not done for lets say a hundred years so then that becomes the meorah or mahleach to do it that way.
The litvish minhag was that the regular sideburns going down the side of your face till about the middle of the ear was the halachic peyos chassidish influence after the war had a big influence on the litvish velt in certain ways and i can state more then just peyous such as mikvah on non yomim norim days reading pitim hktoros from a klaf and more
There is such an idea as mesorah it just depends how strong the mesorah is followed and fefended by a paticular mosod
By the way all the many bachruim that learned in pre war europe the no peyous spitzy dressing etc didnt hurt them into becoming gedolim
All of what i wrote came from a gadol whos Tata learned in slabodka and his haskafas came from him
Also ray hunter and other were spotty dressers. no one had pesos
Rav Moshe as told to e by numerous people put on Paros bec he felt the chasidim wouldn’t otherwise accept him as a posek
I wish you did some research and look at pics before the war
Look at slbokda Keli and any prewar Yeshiva group pics the Rosh yeshiva might have pesos but almost no yeshiva litvak had pesos my Rosh Yeshiva was against this minhag bec it wasn’t the litvish minhag in europe
Amongst bachurim neither were just black hats or black suitesFebruary 27, 2019 12:56 pm at 12:56 pm in reply to: Why don’t we go like the Slabodka mehalech in regards to clothes? #1686278
One very serious Ben Torah from the old Long Beach days decried the fact that everything today is to conform.
He said that back in the day, conformity wasnt the norm. Each person developed according to his own pace. ive noticed to many bachrim who feel very constaned the need to conform in every aspect of there lives. They cant have suits that have any hint of style, colred shirts. colored socks etc. Yet there is a Yesivah in Queens that still lets the bachrim were all of the above and are still solid bnei torah who stheig and go on to learn for 14 to 17 years post high school. Then they get smecha got out and work for Klal Yisroel. Rav Henoch showed his talmidim the beauty of torah the beauty of amkos hatoarah the grandour of slbodkah mussar and gadlous haadam. through that he got his talmidim to change and become serious bnei torah not through conformity but through the beauty of torah and letting bachrim grow at there own speed . Maybe if this approach we woulnd’t have so many kids who are unhappey and such an OD problem.February 27, 2019 12:36 pm at 12:36 pm in reply to: Why don’t we go like the Slabodka mehalech in regards to clothes? #1686247
Mussar is not dead. Its the degree of emphasis that is different. In Yershiva Chofetz Chaim the mahlaeach is such
that there is a half hour mussar seder ever day and 2x a week there is a smooze. Sunday there is a half hour chzaros hasmooze. The derech of the yeshiva also is that when talmidmi get to Beis Medrash they have to say 3 smoozim a year that are there own orginal smooze. lastly, the become trained when saying a dvar torah it has to be done by saying a smooze not yeshivasha reid. There is a very specfic way the smooze is constructed. So while this might seem extreme others say smoozin and have mussar seder.February 27, 2019 12:32 pm at 12:32 pm in reply to: Why don’t we go like the Slabodka mehalech in regards to clothes? #1686255
If i am not mistaken the GRA says to say OFebruary 27, 2019 12:06 pm at 12:06 pm in reply to: Why don’t we go like the Slabodka mehalech in regards to clothes? #1686222
its the yeshiva world that has changed not the derech of slabodka,. Acoording to those very serious bnei torah some of whom are today a rosh kollel, rav and others from before long beach was black and white and what it is today were wearing colored shirts spitzy slick dressers as were most other yeshivas of the day. ive been told it was Rav Aharon who introduced the idea of black and white for bnei torah. As i remeber those days back when, most yeshivas let the bachrim wear colored shirts, in style suits and hats etc. yes even chervon yeshiva the mesivtah bachrim were told to wear blue shirts. till Rav Dovid Choen became the rosh yeshivah. Rav Avrahom Kanerak the perhaps last talmid still living from Rav Baruch Ber said white shirts have nothing to do with frumkit. Society deems it a more formal type of shirt.July 20, 2017 7:19 am at 7:19 am in reply to: Should we stop bochurim from chilling and drinking beer at a bbqs.🍻🍖 #1321686
I know top a bachur from a top yeshiva during bain hazmanim he will have a drink of scotch , a beer or 2. But he told me that during the zman he does not touch anything. many know how to handel it if they have been show how to do it responsibly.
Regrettably, many yeshivas learn mussar but it is not strongly emphasized. I know of 1 yeshiva which i won’t name, they spend lots and lots of time pounding way on giving over haskafh. Also, the Hanhalah give vadim where the bachurim can ask anything they want or the rebbeim will pose a topic to discuss. Lastly, once in 3 weeks the rebbeim will have a Shabbos night oneg at there house that could last up to 3 hours.They talk about anything on there mind. Sadly, not many do this. This is a great way for the bachurim to learn how to deal with todays situations. It drives home the message that gamara learning alone will not give over the proper Torah perspective and that they need to learn mussar and hear haskafh.July 20, 2017 12:36 am at 12:36 am in reply to: Should we stop bochurim from chilling and drinking beer at a bbqs.🍻🍖 #1321679
I have dealt with and known bachurim for a long time. Almost everyone responding here are partially responsible for the Off the derech problem. Any bachur who has a good self esteem will drink responsibly and exhibit other positive behavior. Also, with the pressure put on the bachurim today and everything that they can do to relax even if it is haskaficly correct, is deemed asur. now you have these dimwits saying a beer is asur, going to bbq is asur, sports is asur , listening to Jewish music is asur( yes this does exist)a I’ve told my boys and others that come to my house Fri night having a beer or 2 with chulent is ok, having a bbq and drinking 1 beer is ok but when some of them came shabbos afternoon with a large tote of beer i took it away. I told them theres no reason to have beer shabbos afternoon. You got to show them how to behave and most will listen is said the correct way.