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Charlie Brown:
And that’s different from every other politician how? McCain’s “straight talk express” is certainly no better…
Wow, I didn’t realize we weren’t allowed to socialize with goyim. Better move to KJ quickly!
I feel for the author. As many have said, gerim are special, commendable individuals, who often have more heartfelt emunah than those brought up in the frumest of communities. In my mind, it would be an honor to marry a convert.
That indeed is a very mature, adult way to discuss things, Hocker…
Jent, your logic leaves a lot to be desired. Nothing you have said is anywhere near conclusive proof that I “hate erliche yidden.”
UJM:
anti-semites? You’re REALLY going to go there? If anyone is a sonei Yisroel right now, it is you, my friend.
lgbg:
I am beaming. This thread has simultaneously made me laugh, cry, and realize that not everyone who posts here is nuts.
I think a YWN readers shabbaton is in order.
ICOT:
Unfortunately, you may as well stop trying. The hallmark Jent post is rife with a sense of self-superiority, righteousness, and smugness. He knows only how to belittle others, not how to listen, or even attempt civil dialogue.
Joseph: That is, of course correct. It is possible to be mekarev anyone. That’s not how I read it, but perhaps it’s how I should have. Or, as I Can Only Try pointed out, he may well have been making a joke I didn’t pick up on.
ICOT:
Indeed, one of my favorite things to do is spend a Friday night shabbos dinner talking about these things with friends and family. You know, 2 Jews – 3 opinions? It’s a great time and makes Shabbos special.
Jent:
Why do you refer to yourself as “we?” I never have understood that. Do you have multiple personalities, or are you a conglomerate of various commentors?
Qwerty:
I would join you for a shabbos meal in a heartbeat, however, just as was stated above, I question why you are so quick to assume that I am in need of kiruv.
What several people can’t wrap their heads around is that often times, I present the opposite side of their argument, regardless of what I believe on a personal level. Further, even if I do have some more lenient/modern hashkafos in certain areas (most of which are also held by well-respected rabbonim), it does not necessarily follow that my kashrut or observance of other mitzvos are suspect. Words are one thing, actions are another. You have seen only part of one, and none of the other.
Perhaps be dan l’kav zchus on me regarding my being shomer Torah and Mitzvos?
Jent:
Nobody here is an amorah. Or anywhere close.
And there you go again, calling people who you’ve never met am haaretzes. I am quite aware of human FALLIBILITY. Human fallibility dictates that first and foremost, humans must work on THEMSELVES to restrain their own yetzer.
If a woman is dressed in an untzniusdik fashion, and you truly do everything in your power to control your yetzer, and it REALLY is a case where someone else causes you to sin, do you think that HKBH cannot judge you based on your culpability. Is HKBH a giant calculator with only two buttons, aveirah or mitzvah?
Increasing tznius community-wide is not an inappropriate goal. But it must be done through the right methods. And phrasing it as “we must control our women” is more indicative of the Taliban than it is yiddishkeit.
I can only try:
I could not agree with you any more. Likewise, I am sure that I would get along rather famously with many people here whom I disagree with on various issues. I don’t doubt for a second that most posters here have a tremendous amount of ahavas Yisroel, and are wonderful people. People are bound to not see eye-to-eye; that’s no reason we can’t all be civil (and even friends!).
On an aside, I do confess your post states my idea in a much classier way than mine. Baseless personal attacks sometimes agitate me to the point where I cannot help but to put a little “snark” in my response. One of the several things I need to work on, on a personal level.
Yishar Koach
Ah yes, lest I forget that I am anti-Torah, anti-Jew, anti-Charedi, anti-everything, etc…
Except, I still can’t recall exactly where I have made any comment that could be constructed as pro-freikeit. Joseph, since you are the expert on me as a person, how about you demonstrate to me via examples. Just in another post you said that I want to “reform halacha” when it doesn’t suit me, yet you provide no examples.
If you can’t prove it, don’t say it.
But again, I forget that if I don’t agree with the Charedi rabbanut, who often don’t even agree with each other, on every single issue, I clearly disdain halacha.
How about this: all of you self-righteous tzaddikim stop acting like you know the first thing about ANYONE that comments here, unless you know them in person. Your ugly personal attacks belie your true middot.
Joseph:
Again, how dare you insinuate that I am anti-halacha. You know nothing of me. You have never met me. And hopefully you never will (for that would I mean I will have met you).
Placing the responsibility of a man’s yetzer on women is completely inappropriate. If men have the yetzer, they must learn to control it. Otherwise, they have accomplished nothing. Forcing others to change their ways to protect your feebleness is no great personal accomplishment; on the contrary, it is a massive personal failure.
That is NOT to say that tznius isn’t important, or that women have no responsibilities in the matter. In fact, they have MOST of the responsibility in that area. But to pin the failings of men who can’t keep their yetzers in check on women is at best medieval, and at worst downright LAZY.
Reenmasheen:
I really hope that comment was sarcastic. If it’s not, perhaps you should get your head checked…