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Kitzur:
You exemplify the (problematic) thinking of the “banning generation”:
If you can do something assur with it, it is assur.
Nothing about facebook has caused any of this. It’s the person who’s page you’re looking at. Plenty of people use facebook in a completely responsible and clean way.
abcd:
One of the promising things about the younger generations is that because they were raised with this technology, they are (or should be) also raised to use it cautiously and responsibly. When the internet first became semi-widely available in the home, many people were just thrown in to it, with little-to-no words of caution or hazard. There is a greater level of maturity with teens using the internet these days than we’ve previously seen. That isn’t to say that there isn’t a ton of work left to be done, but teens taught to use social networking properly should not have the problems that you described.
And as David Bar-Magen stated, facebook really is not a place to connect with strangers. By its nature, it just isn’t very conducive to it. Unfortunately, it is more so than it used to be when only affiliates of academic institutions could join, but nonetheless prowling for new friends is typically left to the shadier Myspace-type services.
abcd:
It is extremely rare that people go out searching for *new* friends on facebook.
Try http://www.overstock.com as well
Im not comparing him to Hitler, I’m just saying he could be like Hitler…
What a nutcase.
Arc:
I agree – policies and a determination of who the best candidate is should be the basis for voting. You’ll never ever hear an argument from me otherwise.
Arc:
I’m glad, and I sincerely respect that you voted the way you did – it is democracy at its finest.
Unfortunately, many here cry that blacks voted for him because he’s black when they sit here and post how you shouldn’t vote for him because he’s Muslim/Arab.
Arc:
If so, then NOT voting for him because you (falsely) believe that he is Muslim or an Arab is too.
Duvdl, you are as ignorant as they come.
Yidishreder:
Unfortunately, get used to it. Racism is a cancer deeply entrenched in the frum community.
Squeak:
While you’re correct, unfortunately havesomeseichel was indeed referring to the Presiden-Elect.
“We didnt say that acorn helped steal the election, liberal media spewing the facts ect…”
Uh, yea you did.
Furthermore, the recount in Florida was absolutely the correct thing to do. I don’t care how painful or costly, each person’s right to vote must be upheld.
Havesomeseichel:
Take your moniker’s advice.
1) Dumbest man? Are you serious? A Harvard Law grad, Constitutional Law professor, etc… Where is YOUR degree from?
2) We know PLENTY about him.
3) His birth certificate was released and verified.
4) He doesn’t have a *ton* of experience, but he certainly has some.
I don’t know how much of this mess could have been avoided had we elected McCain (the REAL McCain) back in 2004. For shame.
Always a good day to say Tehillim.
Hallel might not be a bad idea today either 😉
Pashuteh, that’s a pretty lame analogy and I hope that you know it. He isn’t Arab, he isn’t Muslim, and he isn’t a terrorist. Give it up, move on.
Gobama.
I think the email address comment was probably addressed toward people who just don’t want to give their personal email address to a website, which is understandable.
I doubt that anyone here would fraudulently vote more than once (or so I hope).
Anon:
It is, and it’s getting even better (so long as the state doesn’t slash funding…again).
I’m truly sorry to hear about your lost political aspirations – you are a terrorist AND a mobster!
Joseph:
Seriously? Cut the garbage, use your brain. At least I’m educated enough to know what I’m talking about.
Anon for this:
Yes, proudly.
“Havesomeseichel”:
His birth certificate has been verified.
Also, you seem to have no actual idea what “socialism” is. If you did, you couldn’t in all honesty say that Obama is a socialist. There is a way to disagree with someone’s policies without using false, inflammatory names. That being said, you’re probably well aware of this and don’t really care anyway.
Thanks for reminding me: I also had to figure out who Joseph was supporting. I could never in good conscience vote for anyone he holds in high esteem.
GMAB:
It took me a long while to make up my mind. But Palin, combined with the nastiness of McCain’s campaign really turned me off on him.
Also, I kind of want to see the people around here freak out and squirm for no reason…
May that be the only loss he suffers for a long time.
Pashuteh Yid:
That much conjecture into some rabid conspiracy theory is too much for me (or anyone with half a brain) to believe. Besides the fact that our system of government prevents the president from doing too much unilaterally, unless you’re GWB and think you are actually a monarch…
Note that the author didn’t say that Obama would be any MORE likely to do so than McCain.
Also, eliezer, are you suggesting that anyone who doesn’t vote like you is self-hating? It’s you that is hating, but you instead choose to hate anyone who disagrees with you. How frum of you.
Jent:
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Seriously. Nothing in my post indicates that I am “sonei Yosroel” at all. If anyone, it is you who hates Jews (and by that I mean anyone who dares disagree with you and your “holiness”).
Nothing I said has anything to do with Germany. Provide a reasonably intelligent response to my point, or go away.
Jent:
Fine, point me to SPECIFIC EXAMPLES which CLEARLY SHOW that Obama hates Jews. I dare you.
Mdlevine:
You can’t say that because Muslims consider him to be Muslim, that he must have Muslim sympathies. What THEY think is irrelevant – what he has internalized and what he considers his faith is the only thing that matters. Let them be idiots by themselves, they aren’t the ones running for president. He has practiced Xtianity his entire life. Please, give the idiocy a rest.
Bowzer,
It’s great to say “he won’t say it, but I know he hates Jews!”
It’s also ridiculous, stupid, and ignorant. Please flee the country, we have enough idiots here as is.
Elizer:
First off: HE ISN’T MUSLIM. GET OVER IT. For pete’s sake man…
Further, I’ve said the pledge without my hand over my heart. Saying the pledge is more important than the hand motion that accompanies it. As far as the pin goes, I think that the flag pin has become a useless replacement for ACTUAL patriotism, that is patriotism by action. A pin means nothing, and I think that was Obama’s point: it’s actions that count, not appearances. Much like one who shuckles the hardest at shul but violates many mitzvos ben adam l’chavero isn’t as frum as he would put himself out to be. As far as Michelle’s comment, I think it was probably hyperbole, but even if it wasn’t it isn’t hard to at least see where an African-American woman would be coming from when saying something like that. If you think racism is dead in this country, and that there is equal opportunity, then you are sticking your head in the sand.
Finally, if Obama wasn’t patriotic, he wouldn’t be running for president. Nor would he have run for Senate. Question his policies all you want, but to question his patriotism is absurd. Much like claiming he is Muslim is absurd.
But I don’t expect you to listen to anything other than what Fox News tells you, so it’s probably a lost cause.
Feivel:
We indeed read the syntax differently. It’s always safe to have the means to leave if one has to, there’s no denying that – it’s true all the time, no matter what.
Feivel:
The insinuations and implications of this post are quite clear, so spare me the “nobody said that” lecture; you know it is false.
There is no greater need to flee if Obama gets elected than there would be otherwise.
Pashuteh:
Your post in and of itself is contradictory. You try to play up the “Muslim” factor, but then acknowledge that he was a member of a CHURCH for over 20 years. There is nothing to indicate that he has ties to terrorism – Ayers included (in case you don’t read much, Ayers ceased his radicalism when Obama was 7 – LONG before the two ever met).
What about Jerry Falwell, who supported Bush, who went on anti-American tirades all the time? What about Sarah Palin’s husband, who was part of a secessionist movement not long ago at all. You are suffering from a combination of selective hearing, and being force-fed a whole bunch of nonsense.
I have friends who are voting both ways. But the ones voting for McCain do not need to resort to fear-mongering that he is a terrorist-sympathizer or that he is Hitler, or that he will turn this country into a Socialist state (which, btw, the bailout already did). They have educated, well-reasoned policy differences which lead them to their voting conclusions. I suggest you find something more substantial to base your vote on.
1) Why should he?
2) havesomeseichel:
Right, and the KKK campaigns for and supports McCain. What’s your point?
3) AharonRottenberg:
Cut the garbage. He isn’t Muslim, and anyone with HALF a brain knows that by now.
Please, do so. If you are really ignorant enough to think that you are going to have to “flee,” then I would rather not have you bringing my country down and diluting my vote. Please educate yourselves people.
The fact alone that people are comparing Obama to the next coming of Hitler is frightening. It is frightening that some of you buy into this nonsense, and that you spread it to others as gullible as you. But I don’t doubt that you’d be saying the same thing if Hillary was to be elected. You, my friends, are the target demographic for the Republicans – politically uneducated, easily frightened people who are afraid of those who aren’t like you.
Do all of us a favor: get your passports, then use them.
Joseph:
Much like some oddly refer to anyone who doesn’t accept the same chumros or is not “Yeshivish” like them as “frei” or “not shomer mitzvos”…
1) I’m sorry, but mayor of a teeny-tiny town in Alaska, and then governor for less than two years is NOT executive experience. Alaska is not so consequential that her experience there is all that impressive. When it comes down to it, she’s just as inexperienced as anyone. Not to mention that she attempted to ban books, and may have well abused her authority in causing a state trooper to be fired. I don’t want someone like that to be second in command. I also don’t want someone who can’t name more than 1 supreme court case to be one geriatric heartbeat away from nominating the next Justice.
2) Your last few paragraphs completely miss the boat. Why is my comparison to the Russians “idiotic?” I laid out what they did, which is put people “just like them” into office. Mayhem ensued. What is stopping the same from happening here? You think Palin knows anything about your life? When she owns a $1 million dollar house? Please, she’s no more “like us” than the rest of them. She gets away with this ploy because she comes off as STUPID (which unfortunately makes her like a lot of people in this country).
3) Obama isn’t a Marxist. Get over it.
4) Where exactly did you get your degree from, if I may ask.
Mariner:
1) I oppose the bailout myself. It is out-and-out socialism.
2) I am in favor of gun rights, but I also believe that they can and should be subject to some restrictions. Unless you want felons to own guns as well.
3) I want to keep the money I work hard for as well. I also want a fire department, police force, national security, public transportation, and everything else that our taxes pay for.
Finally, you are right on one thing: I want elites in the White House. I want people that are smarter, more educated, and higher-functioning to be running this country and representing it to the rest of the world. What happened as a result of the Russian Revolution of 1917, when the people decided to get rid of the aristocrats and put people “just like us” into office? Nearly a century of dictatorship, corruption, and murder. They still haven’t picked themselves up off the ground.
I don’t want someone “just like me” running this country – if I did, I’d run for President.
Mariner, I’d like to know exactly what community college you got your education from. Educated people don’t say the ridiculous things that you say. Those are reserved for Ann Coulter.
You can disagree with liberalism, but to call it a disease is the surest sign of ignorance I’ve seen yet.
Mariner, that’s very interesting. I hadn’t realized that Macs were losing that niche market.
Mariner, you’ve really flipped your lid haven’t you?
Liberalism is a disease? Obama is a Marxist?
Please, saying such absolutely ridiculous things makes me wonder…perhaps intelligence tests for voter registration weren’t such a bad idea after all…
Squeak:
1) That would require you to physically have my computer, unless you were to try to sneak in a trojan horse, which would not likely be successful. Even if you had my computer physically, I seriously doubt that you could get past the security on my machine.
2) Short of any physical hardware installed, I guarantee that I can detect and disable any keylogger/spying program that you have access to. Just because they are stealth programs does not mean they are invisible. Someone who has above-average computing skills (and I do) can figure that out pretty easily.
Squeak:
Macs (with OSX) are not meant to be tinkered with as much “under the hood” than Windows PCs. I am also less familiar with Macs, though I have used them a fair amount. My PC doesn’t spy on me, because I know how to configure it.
Additionally, Macs use proprietary hardware that makes it difficult to customize or upgrade without sending it to an [Apple-authorized, read: expensive] shop. I can pull open my PC and completely change the hardware configuration in a matter of 30 minutes.
Macs are generally better for music/video/graphic editing. Most big-time studios use macs. Personally, I prefer PCs because I can get under the hood more, and customize every tiny detail to my liking (and because I’ve always used a PC).
Havesomeseichel:
If you go back and re-read my post, you will see that I wrote “Nazis (Y”S)” and not “Germans (Y”S)”
Joseph, I think you would agree that Amalek is a special case, as we are halachically required to do so. If we knew that the Germans were Amalek, it would be different. The Nazis (Y”S) may have been Amalek, but I’m not convinced that this encompassed the entire German people.
Mariner:
1) By “freedom from religion,” I meant it as I Can Only Try so aptly stated it: Freedom of religion is the freedom to practice your religion, ***or lack thereof***, without government interference.
2)You are incorrect in your second statement. States cannot establish religion. As I previously mentioned, the Bill of Rights has largely been incorporated against the states. In Everson v. Board of Education, 330 U.S. 1 (1947), the Supreme Court incorporated the establishment clause against the states, meaning that no individual state can establish a religion, or do anything that Congress couldn’t do under the First Amendment. It’s well-settled precedent.
They should dress respectfully, but I think it gets taken to the point of meshugas. A white shirt does not a talmid chachom make. Nor does a borsalino.
Respectful is the key. The color of the shirt, the hat (style or even existence) is probably irrelevant to HKBH. He cares about the learning.
Because it isn’t exactly Nazi Germany anymore. As that generation passes, why hold it against their offspring who had nothing to do with it?