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Sechel83: WOW! Sounds like hate….
Sechel?mb10ParticipantHow does it work with jobs for the wives?
mb10ParticipantWOW!
mb10ParticipantChicagoBenTorah: Whats the matzav in Chicago with heimishe hechsherim/products? Prices?
mb10ParticipantFascinating!
Still it doesn’t mean others didn’t make one in their backyard or other private area.
Obviously we aren’t necessarily talking about homogenous 10 foot outdoor fires in the middle of the street with hundreds of participants…
It probably depended on the city/neighborhood/neighbors, but a modest fire in a private area might totally have been possible.(The 1956 number for Stolin does make more sense than @Motcha’s 1910…..)
mb10ParticipantMotcha: The Detroiter only came in July 1923.
mb10ParticipantBaltimoreMaven:
What happens after kitta vav?
For how many years is it stuck by kitta vav?
What will happen if Kollel guys leave? will it be by kitta daled? will there be 5 kids in a class versus the ten now?mb10ParticipantThank you ChicagoBenTorah.
I have heard the same.n0mesorah: apparently not everyone is aware.
mb10ParticipantMotcha: 1910?!!
Does not sound right.
R Yochanan came to America in 1950….Little froggie’s estimate of 40 years makes more sense…
mb10ParticipantA big question is, how does it work with chinuch for the children?
Chicago,Detroit,LA,Baltimore are not boro park or monsey…
The question is how does it work with schools, and also the general enviroment.
Do kids suffer by being visibly differant than their friends/surroundings?mb10ParticipantBaltimore Maven: You sound very excited about the Baltimore Kollel!
But you are totally right about the general idea.With half a dozen such Kollelim spread out in various cities (and more of them opening every few years.) there must be close to 100 families doing this.
These kollelim are around for more than a decade, and this is growing phenomenon.I think the main draw is that when people reach a point (or see themselves in the near future reaching it.) where they will not be able to continue full time learning, these Kollelim provide a solid option of extending their Kollel years by say a good five years+.
Now that is a tremendous gain even without looking at it as a long term plan.
Not sure what Meir G. is talking about kicking cans down the road.With so many people doing this, it obviously WORKS even without the 50 conveniences of in town.
Or maybe people enjoy the very fact that there AREN’T the 50 thousand noise, distractions, being one in million where you make no difference. Instead enjoying the calmer quieter relaxed accepting out of town lifestyle.The bottom line is that if one can get a good five+ years of serious full time learning while getting hefty financial support, now that is a great deal, and can be a kinyan for life.
mb10ParticipantMidwesterner: I heard very nice things about the Zidichov Kollel you mentioned. I think they call themselves The Chicago Chassidishe Kollel.
Do you (or anyone.) know more?mb10ParticipantDid you mean 150 kids altogether or boys and girls?
What do you mean by vouchers? Daycare or full elementary?
What happens after kittah vuv?
Did you say that they have 100 families in the kollel?!mb10ParticipantNot sure what all this talk is about…
I think the topic of this thread is about giving support or tips to those who are struggling/giving it all they have to continue their dedication to Torah growth between the walls of the Beis Medrash.
Any good words or eitzos?mb10ParticipantAgree one hundred percent.
That is the reason many yungerleit choose to push hard to stay in kollel, including the option of out of town kollelim.
(which although puts them far from family and friends, gives them a good couple of years of continued growth, between the walls of the Beis Medrash.)mb10ParticipantLike I said, sometimes it will be like a chavrusah.
Can get some really great learning done.mb10ParticipantOut of town kollelim typically do come with an obligation to learn with locals.
Depending on the location of the kollel, the level of the locals will vary.
In some places it will be more of a teaching job.
In others it will be closer to a regular chavrusah. Not bad.mb10ParticipantSupport or a lot of sacrifice.
Or the out of town Kollel route?Should really be a good option for many people like this.
There a multiple Kollelim like this.
A number of Chassidishe as well.They pay well above in-town standards, giving people the option of a longer Kollel years.
mb10ParticipantWould love to hear from any Kollel hackers out there.
Some real info anyone?mb10ParticipantYou say you have no mesorah….
Five years attainable? Ok. “IF” the wife is able to keep a full time job.
Afterwards?Putting money away at five years in Kollel?!
I do not think that is true.I do think most Kollel yungeleit are living on tight budgets. (Unless they are getting support.)
Would love to hear any Kollel hackers out there
mb10ParticipantTrue.
Many times a wifes salary will be enough for a couple of years. (IF she is able/has a good job…)
The question is after a few years. (I think it is less than 5. Unless the wife is working VERY hard.)
Those who wish to continue their Torah growth will quite often be in a challenging situation.
I think this thread is about that point.
That is where many will turn to out of town Kollelim.
Other ideas?mb10ParticipantNot sure what you guys mean by all these “chovos halvovos and work”-“spend what you need”.
We are talking about people who are looking to learn full time.
Unfortunatly Kollelim in town do not provide enough even for what you “need”….mb10ParticipantNot sure if this is still relevant.
I have heard of many people in this situation who chose to join out of town kollelim.
Generally these pay significantly more than in town kollelim, giving people the opprotunity to continue their growth in learning.
Not sure why this has not been mentioned yet.mb10ParticipantAren’t these places interested in people sending them things of interest?
Some of these magazines/ sites/etc don’t even come up in a google search at all.October 7, 2021 10:45 pm at 10:45 pm in reply to: Out of Town – Chassidish community options? #2013481mb10ParticipantBetween all these kollelim there must be around 100+ chassidishe yungerleit doing this.
Sounds a little crazy!
Is in town so broke in providing for chassidishe bnei Torah that so many people are doing this?October 7, 2021 9:33 pm at 9:33 pm in reply to: Out of Town – Chassidish community options? #2013462mb10ParticipantObviously these kollelim are paying very well that someone looking to continue learning can do so comfortably.
(I heard that the closer ones/ e.g. Baltimore pays in the 1500 range plus covered rent, and the farther ones/chicago in the 2000 range plus rent.
Also from what I heard, in Chicago they help significantly those who choose to buy a house.)The question is that is this really their only option to stay in learning (without their wives working like a chicken without a head.) , or is there some other reason so many chassidishe yungerleit are doing this?
October 7, 2021 8:37 am at 8:37 am in reply to: Out of Town – Chassidish community options? #2013194mb10ParticipantIs this the latest trend by chassidim to go to OOT Kollelim?
(Chicago ×2!! Baltimore LA Toronto Detroit Arizona.)
What the incentive?October 6, 2021 8:29 pm at 8:29 pm in reply to: Out of Town – Chassidish community options? #2013066mb10ParticipantSo finally what are the downsides of living OOT?
October 5, 2021 9:37 pm at 9:37 pm in reply to: Out of Town – Chassidish community options? #2012654mb10ParticipantObviously someone looking into Oot is probably not the boxed in type who must be totally surrounded by people who wear the exact same shoelace and even bought it at the same store .
October 5, 2021 8:31 pm at 8:31 pm in reply to: Out of Town – Chassidish community options? #2012651mb10ParticipantTotally agree with ujm.
In Chicago you have all types of chassidish.
Same in Baltimore/LA.
Mix of Boro park Monsey Williamsburg.(Chabad is totally a brand of its own.)
October 4, 2021 10:49 pm at 10:49 pm in reply to: Out of Town – Chassidish community options? #2012307mb10ParticipantSomeone just opened a chassidishe kollel in Arizona too.
October 4, 2021 12:15 am at 12:15 am in reply to: Out of Town – Chassidish community options? #2011971mb10ParticipantSo are we left with Chicago, Baltimore, LA?
Funny that all three have a Chassidishe Kollel!
(Chicago has two!)October 4, 2021 12:14 am at 12:14 am in reply to: Out of Town – Chassidish community options? #2011969mb10ParticipantGadohadorah: So do you knock of Linden and staten Island?
BTW There is also a small community in Indiana of about a dozen and a half Williamsburg families/anti vax common core. But that probably doesn’t count, as it is totally not an established community. Just living out there between the corn fields with no established mosed or other basic community infrastructure.
October 3, 2021 9:11 pm at 9:11 pm in reply to: Out of Town – Chassidish community options? #2011910mb10ParticipantGadolhadorah: Not clear what you define as OOT.
(Whats the difference between Passaic and Baltimore.)Anansahadi: Passaic? Good manners? Great! Chassidim? Really? Do you mean people with just a gartel? Or the type you would meet in BP?
October 3, 2021 5:36 pm at 5:36 pm in reply to: Out of Town – Chassidish community options? #2011831mb10ParticipantSo is this tha final list?
(Staten Island) NY:(
(Linden) NJ:(
Chicago
Baltimore
La
Or are there more?October 3, 2021 10:40 am at 10:40 am in reply to: Out of Town – Chassidish community options? #2011716mb10ParticipantUjm: I think this discussion is about OOT in the US.
I think another big question is about mosdos chasidishe parents would feel comfortable sending to.
For example in staten Island I think people send into BP.
In Baltimore there is a very small chasidishe mosed.
Bloomingberg is satmar
Union city is zanz.
.In Chicago there’s veitzner cheder which is in Yiddish and people feel comfortable sending to, and girls go to the regular beis Yaakov.October 3, 2021 3:05 am at 3:05 am in reply to: Out of Town – Chassidish community options? #2011593mb10ParticipantUjm: Yes these are the 3 supermarkets that the entire chicago shops at.
But they are all very well stocked with heimish hasgocho items.October 3, 2021 2:19 am at 2:19 am in reply to: Out of Town – Chassidish community options? #2011582mb10Participant3 most popular ones in Chicago are Jewel, Hungarian, and Kol tuv.
(If you want you can also add the kosher section at Marianos.)
October 2, 2021 10:50 pm at 10:50 pm in reply to: Out of Town – Chassidish community options? #2011546mb10ParticipantAnother factor a chosid would consider is access to food items with heimish hashgachos.
(In Chicago for example there are 3 supermarkets that sell everything heimishe hashgochos.)September 30, 2021 7:33 am at 7:33 am in reply to: Out of Town – Chassidish community options? #2010754mb10ParticipantChicago has about 30+ chassidishe families/2 chassidishe kollelim, Yiddish cheder and a handful of chassidishe Rabbonim.
Upside of living out of town:
Things are generally quieter.
Less of a social pressure cooker ie life isn’t a constant race to wear/say/do the EXACT same thing as everyone else etc etc / much more room for individuality. -
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