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(Shemot 19:6)The mission of the Jews is clearly spelled out in the Torah – to be a kingdom of priests and holy nation IN THE LAND OF ISRAEL.
Not in Brooklyn, Lakewood, or Monroe, NY.
The Torah mission is neither Reform Zionism nor Reform Satmarism.
An invented fake halacha of “Three Oaths” that allegedly prohibits a Jewish return to E.Y. before Moshiach cannot nullify the Jewish mission.
The huge new yishuv in E.Y. is an opportunity to work towards the Jewish mission of being a kingdom of priests and holy nation, regardless if one believes we are in “atchalta d’geulah” or not.
HaLeiVi:
“the Rambam actually does not hold this way.”
Please stop inventing your own Torah.
The Rambam wrote Mishneh Torah as his compendium of the oral law.
“Our Sages taught: “There will be no difference between the current age and the Messianic era except the emancipation from our subjugation to the gentile kingdoms.”
(Mishneh Torah, Kings and Wars 12:2)Furthermore, Rambam wrote:
“If a king will arise from the House of David…”
(Kings and Wars 11:4)For a king to arise in the Land of Israel, it would be necessary for a large number of Jews (but not all Jews) to return to the Land of Israel PRIOR to arrival of Moshiach.
Thus the invented notions of Satmar / NK, where Jews only return to E.Y. after Moshiach arrives, were rejected by the Rambam.
HaKatan:
My previous comment was quite serious.
Your Satmar propaganda cannot revise the historical facts.
Your claim that “the UN wanted to begin a different mandate in Palestine” is simply Satmar revisionist history.
The Satmar propaganda machine invented a halacha that never existed – IE that the Jews may not have a state in E.Y. until Moshiach arrives, even when the leading non-Jewish powers recognize the existence of that state.
Satmar propaganda discards the ruling of the Rambam (based on the Talmud) that the only difference between now and the messianic era is the subjugation of the nations.
A Jewish state will exist both before and after Moshiach arrives.
SATMAR AND NK ARE THE ONES VIOLATING THE THREE OATHS
In 1922, a joint resolution of both houses of the US Congress endorsed the British Mandate for Palestine.
US President Warren G. Harding also signed the joint resolution of approval to establish a Jewish National Home in Palestine.
In 1947, by a majority vote, the UN General Assembly voted to allow a Jewish state in the Land of Israel.
A few years ago, the President of the United States placed the US Embassy in Jerusalem.
If the Three Oaths are really halacha, then it is 100% clear that it is Satmar and NK who are violating that halacha!
The persons promoting these grotesque “Meshichist” Torah distortions should be viewed as idolatrous missionaries attempting to convert Jews to a different religion than Judaism.
The Meshichist arguments are no different than the deceptive arguments of Xtian missionaries.
There is NO place in authentic Torah beliefs for a Moshiach who appears, begins his mission, then he dies and returns later to finish his mission.
Those interested in such a “Moshiach” should consult the NT.
Such beliefs are a new anti-Torah religion that makes a mockery of the words of the Jewish prophets.
Chabad’s replacement theology is actually a major obstacle to Moshiach coming.
Radical Chabad ideologues are constantly attacking traditional Judaism, and attempting to replace it with a new religion of Chabadianity.
Chabad is not claiming Moshiach is near, they are claiming there is a Moshiach now, and he just happens to be the deceased Chabad rebbe. This is a con game to attract donations from well-meaning but misinformed Jews using a false messiah.
Chabad’s false messiah is a radical attack on the true Torah concept of Moshiach, who must be a living Jewish king in Jerusalem.
Chabad’s replacement theology is actually a major obstacle to Moshiach coming.
Radical Chabad ideologues are actually attacking traditional Judaism, and attempting to replace it with a new religion of Chabadianity.
Chabad is not claiming Moshiach is near, or that a deceased person could become Moshiach in the future. Chabad is claiming there IS a Moshiach now, and he just happens to be the deceased Chabad rebbe. This is a con game to attract donations from well-meaning but misinformed Jews using a false messiah.
Chabad’s false messiah is a radical attack on the true Torah concept of Moshiach, who must be a living Jewish king in Jerusalem as per the Rambam’s 12th Principle.
Takahma mash: There is a name for this modern form of idolatry.
Worship of rabbis instead of worship of Hashem is called “GADOLATRY”.
While we’re on this topic – does anyone know of moderately priced motels (not a resort) in the Catskills that are suitable for Shabbat observers who might bring their own food?
These motels seem difficult to find, and the frum hotels seem to be quite expensive.
farbycoffe: “Rabbi paltiel is not saying that a rebbe is god”
You are playing the typical Chabad shell game here.
Paltiel clearly said that the rebbe is “Ein Sof”.
I know of no beings or creations that are “Ein Sof” in authentic Judaism other than Hashem.“the world is created out of havaye”
No, the world was created from NOTHING.
Almost every commentary on the first verse of Genesis describes the Universe as created “yesh miayin” (from nothing), so you are admitting that Chabad has a different, incompatible theology than what the Torah sages have been teaching us for at least a thousand years.The claim “No one in Chabad corelates a Rebbe to Hashem” is blatantly misleading IMHO.
A video from the major Chabad site “Stump the Rabbi”, available on youtube, claims the rebbe is “Elokus” (l’havdil).
“Should a Lubavitcher chassid read biographies written about the Rebbe?”On the psakdin dot net, site, there is a “psak” from many Chabad rabbis affirming “the Messianic sovereignty of His Mjesty King Moshiach rabbi M. M. Shnaiorson the Lubavitch’er Rebbe”.
In another youtube video, a senior Chabad rabbi claims the rebbe runs the world.
‘Rabbi Cunin: “The Rebbe runs the world and will save us from exile”‘The major Chabad website chabadnj, openly claims the deceased Chabad Rebbe is Moshiach and a prophet, whose physical presence was concealed, but he has ‘supernatural’ abilities!
It is impossible to claim that Chabad Meshichist theology is compatible with traditional Judaism.
The claim “No one in Chabad corelates a Rebbe to Hashem” is blatant ‘Meshichist’ disinformation.
Idolatrous rebbe worship in Chabad is very significant and constantly increasing.A number of senior rabbis have compared the present Chabad movement to early Christianity, which was started by religious Jews who davened in religious Jewish synagogues at the time.
This video on a large Chabad website claims the rebbe is “Elokus” (l’havdil).
Many Chabad rabbis “pasken” that the Rebbe IS moshiach NOW, meaning they believe he is alive NOW.
Major Chabad website1 openly claims the deceased Chabad Rebbe is Moshiach and a prophet, whose physical presence was concealed, but he has ‘supernatural’ abilities!