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@chaim86

I’ve just spent over an hour going through this entire thread, and I can’t help but feel it’s been a frustrating waste of time—not just for me, but likely for everyone involved. Let’s break this down practically. If you can afford a smartphone, a computer, a car, or any other big-ticket item, the cost of a filter is hardly a barrier. We’re talking about a basic expense here, not a luxury. More importantly, having a filter isn’t optional—it’s an obligation. Every halachic authority agrees that safeguarding yourself online is a must, and this isn’t just a rabbinic rule; it’s rooted in Torah law. No one serious disputes that.You’re posting on Yeshiva World News, a platform tied to the Chareidi community—Yeshiva is right there in the name. In this world, if you want internet access while staying true to frum values, a filter is non-negotiable. It’s just how it works. I’d bet that if you asked most people in this community—myself included—they’d say the same: paying for your own filter is your responsibility, not TAG’s or anyone else’s. You might find a handful of people who see it your way, but honestly, you’re pretty much on your own here. Most of us just feel sorry that you’re stuck on this hill, hoping one day you’ll see why personal accountability matters.I’m genuinely curious—who’s your Rav? Because I can’t imagine any reputable posek backing this stance. At this point, though, I think this whole discussion has run its course. No matter how clearly I—or anyone else—explain why your reasoning doesn’t hold up, it seems like you’ll just keep doubling down with more excuses and tangents about why TAG should foot the bill. It’s exhausting and pointless. So, I’m done here, and I suspect others are too. Continuing this is like talking to a wall—nothing’s getting through, and there’s no progress to be made. Wishing you clarity moving forward.

Alright, let’s get real here: I totally spaced out on mentioning @somejewiknow and @ujm in my last comment, so now we’ve got FOUR people—add @hakattan and @BMG—kicking up a storm of nonsense! These four are out here blowing smoke like it’s their job, but how about they step it up with some guts like Mr. Sokol did and put their real names out there? Unless, of course, all that yelling and screaming is just a cover for some troll or an over-the-top Buchor who’s learned how to act all zealous without the spine to own it. From what I’m seeing in these comments, it’s pretty clear: these four are the only ones dead-set against voting, while also trashing the Gedolim who say it’s okay to vote. They’re acting like those Gedolim are either messed up because they got “bad info,” not big enough to disagree with the other side, or—get this—aren’t even real Gedolim anymore just because they’re pro-voting. Wild, right?Seriously, it’s ridiculous! To say Gedolim could be wrong or not legit because of this is a total slap in the face to them and everyone who follows them. And if these four think shouting crazy claims is going to scare people into agreeing, they’re so off-base. People can see the truth: Gedolim are on both sides of this voting thing. Whether you vote or skip it, both can make sense depending on who you follow. So, instead of hiding behind big talk and no names, these four need to chill with the noise. The rest of us? We’re sticking with the Gedolim and tuning out the nonsense!

The shidduch crisis in our community stems from a mismatch between expectations and reality. In a system where men are encouraged to learn Torah full-time, supported by women who work or receive family help, dating operates like a marketplace. Men who are committed to Torah, emotionally mature, and share values are highly sought after, as are women who are kind, family-oriented, and supportive. However, not everyone fits these ideals, creating imbalances. For example, a woman in her late 20s might struggle because men her age often prefer younger women, while a man learning Torah full-time but lacking financial backing might be overlooked.

A key factor is how men and women’s perceived value changes over time. Men gain value as they age due to increased Torah knowledge and life experience, while women’s traditional value—linked to youth, beauty, and childbearing—tends to decline. This dynamic means older women may need to adjust expectations, while men often don’t face the same pressure. Younger women are seen as more attractive, but older women can still find matches by focusing on shared values and emotional compatibility.

The current approach encourages men to start dating earlier and women to start later to balance the age gap. While this helps with demographics, it doesn’t address unrealistic expectations. For instance, women waiting for a man who is both a full-time learner and financially supported might miss out on a kind, compatible match. Similarly, men seeking a “perfect” wife might overlook someone caring and aligned with their goals. This approach also ignores the diversity within our community, where some rabbis support organizations like WZO while others don’t, highlighting the need for tailored solutions.

Materialism further complicates the issue. Extravagant weddings, luxury lifestyles, and societal pressures have shifted priorities, making dating more about appearances than values. This culture leaves many struggling to meet unrealistic standards, pushing singles to chase superficial traits rather than meaningful connections.

To address this, we need a community-wide effort. Rabbis and leaders should teach this mindset in schools and organize events to promote realistic expectations. By focusing on shared values, mutual respect, and emotional compatibility, we can create a healthier dating culture. Additionally, as singles age, they often become more selective, narrowing their options. Both men and women must recognize that being overly selective based on past experiences can hinder finding a meaningful relationship. Instead, they should prioritize core values and give potential matches a fair chance.

Logical older single in Shidduchim.

I’d like to share some thoughts on the shidduch crisis, especially within our community where the ideal is for men to learn Torah full-time for as long as possible, supported by women who either work or receive help from their families. Dating and marriage, in many ways, operate like a marketplace. People evaluate what they bring to the table and what they’re looking for in a partner. In our community, men who are committed to learning Torah, emotionally mature, and share similar values are highly sought after, as are women who are kind, family-oriented, and willing to support their husbands in their learning. But here’s the catch: not everyone fits into these ideal categories, and when the supply of “ideal” candidates doesn’t meet the demand, people get stuck. For example, a woman in her late 20s who is accomplished and religious might struggle to find a match because men her age are often looking for younger women. Similarly, a man who is dedicated to learning Torah full-time but doesn’t come from a wealthy family might be passed over by women who prioritize financial stability or immediate support.

One of the biggest issues we’re facing is how men and women’s value in the marriage marketplace changes over time. Men in our community tend to become more valuable as they get older because their value is tied to their Torah knowledge, spiritual growth, and ability to provide guidance—qualities that deepen with age. On the other hand, women’s value in the traditional sense—particularly in terms of physical beauty and the ability to have children—tends to decline with age. This isn’t to say women don’t bring immense value in other ways, but the Talmud emphasizes a woman’s role in protecting her husband from evil thoughts and raising children who learn Torah, which are tied to youth and fertility. As a result, younger women are often seen as more attractive to men, while older women may find themselves with fewer options unless they adjust their expectations. This dynamic means that as women get older, they may need to become less selective, understanding that their value in the traditional marketplace has shifted. Men, however, often don’t face the same pressure to lower their standards as they age because their value increases over time.

The current approach to addressing the shidduch crisis focuses on bridging the age gap by encouraging men to start dating earlier and women to start later. While this aims to balance the demographic mismatch between older men and younger women, it doesn’t fully address the root of the problem: unrealistic expectations. For instance, if a woman is told to wait for a man who is both deeply committed to learning Torah full-time and comes from a family that can provide financial support, she might miss out on a kind, committed match who shares her values but doesn’t meet every item on her checklist. Similarly, if a man insists on a “model” wife who is both stunning and domestically perfect, he might overlook a caring, supportive woman aligned with his goals. This approach also overlooks the diversity of thought within our community. For example, some rabbis support organizations like WZO, while others advise against it, reflecting the need for a nuanced solution rather than a one-size-fits-all plan.

This problem of singles seeking out superficial traits isn’t an isolated issue—it’s a symptom of a larger community problem. Many rabbis have spoken out about how materialism and luxury have crept into our society, raising the bar for what’s considered “normal” in ways that are often unattainable and unsustainable. From extravagant weddings and designer clothing to luxury cars, vacations, and Pesach hotels, the pressure to maintain a facade of wealth and status has distorted our priorities. This culture of excess has seeped into our dating expectations, where people are judged not just on their character or values but on their ability to project an image of success and luxury. The result is a community where many people are struggling to keep up with these inflated standards, and singles are left chasing superficial traits rather than focusing on what truly matters in a marriage. This isn’t making us better people—it’s making us more superficial, more stressed, and less connected to the values that should guide our lives.

To properly implement this plan, we need a community-wide effort led by rabbis and community leaders. They should explain this mindset to educators in girls’ schools and boys’ schools, ensuring that young people grow up with a healthier understanding of what truly matters in a marriage. Singles gatherings should also be organized where this logic is clearly explained, and participants are encouraged to adopt this more balanced and realistic approach. By teaching this mindset from a young age and reinforcing it through community events, we can create a cultural shift that prioritizes shared values, mutual respect, and emotional compatibility over superficial traits. This is how we can truly solve the shidduch crisis—by addressing the root of the problem and empowering individuals to make choices that lead to lasting, meaningful relationships. Only by tackling the broader issue of materialism and unrealistic expectations in our community can we create a healthier, more sustainable approach to dating and marriage.

Additionally, the problem becomes even more challenging as singles get older. With more dating experience, individuals often become more closed-minded, looking back at their past experiences and using them to justify increasingly selective criteria. For example, a woman who has been on many dates might develop a long list of “deal-breakers” based on negative experiences, while a man might become overly focused on finding someone who meets every item on his checklist. This tendency to become more selective with age only exacerbates the shidduch crisis, as it narrows the pool of potential matches and makes it even harder to find a suitable partner. Both men and women need to recognize that this mindset is counterproductive and that being overly selective based on past experiences can prevent them from finding a meaningful relationship. Instead, they should focus on the essentials—shared values, mutual respect, and emotional compatibility—and be willing to give potential matches a fair chance.

By addressing these issues head-on and fostering a community-wide shift in mindset, we can create a healthier, more inclusive approach to dating and marriage. It’s time to move away from superficiality and materialism and focus on what truly matters: building relationships based on shared values, mutual respect, and a commitment to building a life together. This is how we can solve the shidduch crisis and create a brighter future for our community.

Couldn’t agree more