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What is the seminary spreadsheet? I think I remember reading about a spreadsheet with the names of girls going to the various seminaries that you can only get through email. Is that what you are referring to? How do you add your name and/or get hold of it? My daughter is IY”H going to seminary next year in Eretz Yisroel, and she is very nervous because she doesn’t know anyone else going to the same seminary. If she could see this spreadsheet, maybe she would recognize one of the names from camp or somewhere else.
My daughter is very nervous about leaving out any info they ask for. Does anyone seriously think a seminary will not consider accepting her because I don’t provide her SS# and passport # on the application? And what about if I don’t provide all the medical information? They are even asking for her eyeglass prescription! Can’t I provide all that information if and when they accept her? Why would they even want all that information for a girl they might not even accept – wouldn’t that be information overload?
“So you can now take Machon Raaya off your list of potential seminaries.”
No offense, cinderella, but Machon Raaya never was on our list of potential seminaries, for reasons other than girls having internet access. Now we have another reason not to want to send our daughter there. We might consider a seminary where SOME of the girls have had internet access, but definitely not a seminary where the majority of girls have. We would rather send our daughter to a seminary where at least MOST of the girls come from homes where it is understood that it is not good for teenagers to have unsupervised access to the internet.
Also, I find your tone very offensive – ” What a ridiculous factor in your decision.” If wanting to protect our daughter from the possibility of being exposed to the tuma’ah and schmutz out there on the internet is considered ridiculous, then so be it. I’d rather be safe and ridiculous, than sorry.
need seminary help – please see what I wrote in an earlier post in this thread:
“To be dan lechaf zechus, it could be that the girls posting are sitting with one of their parents as they are doing so, and do not have their own access. As I sometimes do with my daughter when she needs to look something up.”
As you can also see from this post, it’s not like I never let my daughter look at the internet at all, but only with supervision. By the way, I’m not really worried that my daughter would bedavka try to look up bad things, but it is so easy to get to the wrong place by accident on the internet – even by simply typing one letter by accident. Although I do have a very good filter, I am too nervous to trust it 100%.
jbaldy22 – I did not say anything about the girls having internet in their house. I was talking about the girls having their own access to the internet. By the way, I also was not implying that such girls are not “good” girls, just that it would appear that they and their families probably have a different outlook regarding the use of the internet than I want to convey to my children. Although not everyone will agree with me, I also believe that most girls who have internet access while still in high school will more likely to have been exposed to certain things that I don’t agree girls that age should be exposed to – and would probably share those things with their friends. I am of the persuasion that girls being sheltered to at least some degree, even at this age is a good thing (I know others feel that at this age a girl should be mature enough not to need to be sheltered, but I disagree).
interjection – thank you for that bit of chizuk at the end of your post.
I actually did reorder the tracks with one tape, but it was very time consuming. I would think that it would keep the order of the tracks the tape is played in. Why would it mix them up?
rationalfrummie – my sentiments exactly, although pba you do have a point to some extent. I actually have been trying since the Citifield asifa to cut back on my use of the internet other than for banking, email, etc, specifically so that my children should not see hypocrisy in their parents – i.e. do as I say, not as I do. I try to impress on them that the internet can be a useful tool at times, but it is also very dangerous (especially for young, impressionable, and CURIOUS teenagers), and should only be used when necessary and with others around for shemira. Yeshiva world is one of the only “unnecessary” sites I now allow myself to go on (the others are Only Simchas and weight watchers – oops, that one IS necessary), and even that I go to much less often than I used to. I’ve only started going on recently to check out what people have to say about the different seminaries – so I guess you could say that’s for tachlis. But when all is said and done, I do believe there is a HUGE difference between a middle-aged mother and a 17 year old girl having internet access.
To be dan lechaf zechus, it could be that the girls posting are sitting with one of their parents as they are doing so, and do not have their own access. As I sometimes do with my daughter when she needs to look something up.
WIY, I don’t think you are correct. My daughter is not the rebellious type at all. Although there are times she wishes she could have internet access, I believe she understands that I am trying to protect her, not stifle her. I do not think I am “treating” her badly – I am just trying to impress on her and all my other children how dangerous the internet can be, and how careful we must be when using it, so that when she eventually does need to use it (for work or college after seminary), she will have it ingrained in her psyche how careful she must be when using it.
Bookworm – most parents of seminary girls that I know stay in touch with their daughters via telephone – there are pretty cheap cellphone plans for calling between US and Israel, or the sem has a dsl line – as I did with my older daughter and son. If I remember correctly, in my older daughter’s sem (it was a number of years ago) we were able to send an email to the school addressed to her, which they would print out and give to her, but the girls did not have access to send email back.
I bought an ion tape to digital converter about 2 years ago, but I have never been able to get it to work properly – the tracks come out all out of order. This is especially a problem for story tapes. Do you have any idea what I can do to get it right?
live right – I was not trying to put down those who struggle with tznius. It’s just that teenage girls are subject to a lot of peer pressure regarding how they dress, and I want to make sure that the seviva my daughter will be in for 10 months is one where the peer pressure will be towards dressing on a higher level of tznius, not one where she will be made to feel like the “frummy” (which should really be a source of pride, but usually isn’t to teenage girls) for wearing “duty length” skirts and such.
This sounds very much like what we are looking for for our daughter. We are definitely looking for a very BY type seminary. We don’t want to have to worry that there are girls there who will be listening to non-Jewish music, have internet access, have problems with tznius, etc. At the same time, our daughter is not very academically inclined, so we are not looking to send her to a seminary where she will need to constantly be studying, preparing, etc. The learning should be more in the form of hashkafic discussions, practical lessons, and experiencing kedusha of Eretz Yisroel and the mesirus nefesh of those who live and learn there. I heard about a new seminary called Kesser Chaya that is in its 2nd year. Does anyone know anything about the seminary – the academics, varmkeit, etc., as well as the type of girls who go there?
anuran, if I put a lock-code or password does it just block internet access, so they can still use it as a phone?
I am looking to replace my Palm PDA (wihch is not working so well anymore)and plain old cellphone with a smartphone (so that I only need one device instead of 2), but I do not want internet access. The reps in the Sprint store told me that I must have a data plan for the Blackberry to work.
jphone: I checked my cellphone and it does have a calendar function, but it is nothing like the calendar on my palm. That’s the kind of calendar I want (need?).
youngbutnotstupid: Do you mean to say that there are pictures of girls dancing on the Dance Dance Revolution games? I thought it just had lighted arrows flashing in time to the music. I was just worried about the music – I didn’t even consider pictures!
striving: where can I download the stepmania program from?
d a: Thanks for the tips. I’ll look into the Treo & Centro.
not from ny: I just want to have the function of a PDA & cellphone in one unit. Isn’t that what a smartphone is? I don’t use my PDA for internet – just for keeping lists and schedules, contacts, notes, etc.
My kids have been begging me for years to get the Dance Dance Revolution for fun & exercise, but they all have goyish music (with the lyrics!). I heard somewhere that a version came out without words at least. Does anyone know anything about this? I would still want to check out how goyish the music sounds, but at least it stands a chance without the lyrics. I really wish someone would come out with a Jewish music version.
I am looking into replacing my separate Palm PDA and cellphone with a smartphone (either Palm Pre or Blackberry). However, I do not want internet access on my phone. I was told by Sprint that I cannot totally block data services on the BB because it needs internet access to work. Does anyone know if there is anyway to at least block someone who is using the phone from accessing the web (e.g. block the web browser)with a password needed to unblock it? This way I can let my kids use my phone if necessary.
And what if the girl has two (or more) brothers, one of whom is a shtark learner (with good middos also, of course)and one who is not (even one who may not be “at risk” or “OTD”). Does one carry more weight in the decision process than the other?
NY Mom: Thanks for the welcome. I’ve actually been a lurker for a looong time (about a year). I really enjoy reading different points of view on various subjects, but rarely feel strongly enough about any to comment myself. This one I couldn’t resist, since it caused a lot of problems for 2 of my daughters. I believe that it can make a huge difference to many students (both boys and girls) as to whether or not they take an interest in Limudei Kodesh. I believe both my daughters who had trouble with Yiddish lost out on a lot of hashkafah that is taught through Chumash, because they often just tuned out since it was so hard for them to understand.
I agree that there is a certain ta’am to Yiddish, and I always wished that I could speak and understand it better than I do. (Ich farshtay a bisel, uber nisht zeir gut.) But I have trouble with the schools (in which most students do not come from Yiddish speaking homes) insisting on teitching in Yiddish. I live in a community where ALL the girls schools teitch Chumash in Yiddish through 5th grade, so it’s not like I had a choice where to send my girls. Some of my girls were are not very good at languages, and this really hampered their ability to understand what was being taught, and was a big shtuch to their self-confidence. To be honest, they actually teitch into Yiddish and then English, but for someone who has trouble with languages this can be very disconcerting and is hard to follow along (even if they are not held responsible for the Yiddish).
When I questioned the school’s policy, I was told that this is how Rav ….. held – Rav ….. was niftar over 45 years ago (when Yiddish was still spoken in most homes)! Does anyone bother to ask if this still applies?!
Ironically, when my oldest boy started yeshiva, there were one or two boys yeshivas in the community that teitched straight into English, and my husband insisted on sending him to one of those, based on Rav Yaakov ztz”l’s opinion that talmidim should be taught in the language they are most comfortable in. (I was actually worried that for boys it is necessary to learn Yiddish, but B”H my son is now in Bais Medrash in a very prominent yeshivah, and his love of learning was not compromised by having to struggle to understand what was being taught.)
I think it is a very nice idea to teach Yiddish, but it should be taught as a separate subject, so that if a student has trouble with it, it does not interfere with their comprehension of Chumash or Gemara.