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Misnagdim versus Chassidim! Shmini Atzeres

By Rabbi Yair Hoffman for

One of the general differences between Litvaks (Misnagdim) and Chassidim lies in what they do on the holiday of Shmini Atzeres regarding eating in the Sukkah. Chassidim have traditionally taken a more lenient view than their Litvak counterparts on the issue. It should be noted that each of the two opinions should be respected.  Rav Tzaddok HaKohen, in his work Maishiv Tzedek,  writes that those who do not eat in the Sukkah on Shmini Atzeres do have a basis in the Gemorah and the Yerushalmi.  In this article, an attempt will be made to explain the halachic basis of each of the two customs.


The Torah tells us that we must dwell in the Sukkah for seven days.  The Torah further tells us that on the eighth day we have a new and different holiday.  Thus Sukkos only lasts for seven days, according to the Torah and the eighth day is an additional holiday, in and of itself.  By Rabbinic decree, of course, we add on a second day to each of the Yomim Tovim for those who dwell outside of the land of Israel.  This creates a halachic problem for the holiday of Shmini Atzeres.  Do we eat our meals in the Sukkah or do we eat them in the home?  It is a subject that was disputed in the Talmud, may be a debate between the Yerushalmi and the Bavli, and the subject of sharp debate between Chassidim and Misnagdim to this day.

It is also interesting to note that while there may be debate in regard to the practice of eating in the Sukkah, all agree that we do not take a Lulav on Shmini Atzeres — even without a bracha.  The Baalei Tosfos (47a “Maisav”) explain that since a Lulav would be Muktzah on Shmini Atzeres, it would clearly demonstrate that he is treating Shmini Atzeres like Chol, whereas, in regard to eating in a Sukkah, the act is not so noticeable because many people like eating in a Sukkah.  As we will discuss later in this article, it is this Tosfos (and the Rosh) that may be the source for the leniency of the Chassidish world.


The Gemorah (Sukkah 47a) cites a dispute between Rav Yochanan and others in the name of Rav as to what is done on the eighth day outside of Israel regarding eating in the Sukkah.  There are two versions of the dispute, but the Gemorah’s final conclusion is that we dwell in the Sukkah but we do not recite a blessing upon it.


The Rishonim approached this Gemorah in three different ways. It is not just this Gemorah, but the combination of three differing sources:  This section of the Talmud Bavli, a Talmud Yerushalmi, and a Midrash Tanchuma.  The Midrash Tanchuma (Parshas Pinchas #15) asks, “Why did the sages permit leaving the Sukkah on the last day of the Yom Tov?  Because the entire Yom Tov we pray for dew and on the last day we pray for rains — therefore, they leave the Sukkah on the last day of the Yom Tov so that they will be able to pray with a full heart.”  There is also a somewhat enigmatic Talmud Yerushalmi (Sukkah 4:5 and Brachos 6:6) that states, “If someone enjoys his Sukkah, he may make kiddush on the last night of Yom Tov in his home and then arise and eat in his Sukkah.”


The majority of Rishonim understand the Gemorah in the Bavli as mandating that both of the meals of Shmini Atzeres be eaten in the Sukkah.  This is the view of Rashi (cited in Sefer HaPardes), the Raavya, Maharam MiRottenberg (See Tashbatz 147) Rabbeinu Chananel,  the Sefer HaMinhagim, and the SMaK.  This view is the one that has been codified in Shulchan Aruch (OC 668:1).


There are Rishonim, however, who did not eat in the Sukkah on Shmini Atzeres at night.  Apprently, these Rishonim, assumed that the Yerushalmi was also referring to Chutz La’Aretz, and attempted to resolve the Yerushalmi source and the Bavli source.  This custom is mentioned in the Tur (OC 668), the Maharil (Hilchos Lulav), the Machzor Vitri (384), and the Orchos Chaim.

Why not at night?  A good question.  Perhaps, (as it may perhaps be suggested in Tosfos 47b “Maisav”) it is less comfortable at night than in the daytime and there is also a concern of fulfilling V’samachta b’chagecha in a more ideal manner on Shmini Atzeres as well.

The Bais Yoseph suggests a different answer — that at night the blessing of Shehecheyanu is recited on Shmini Atzeres because it is its own Yom Tov.  Eating in the Sukkah would therefore highlight the inherent conflict between these two opposites.  Eating on the next day, however, would not highlight the difference so much.

The Bach gives yet a different explanation.  Indeed, he provides two different explanations.  In OC 666 he writes that according to this view, if eating were to be permitted on the night of Shmini Atzeres it would appear as if one was adding to the Torah.  The discontinuation at night resolves this perception.  In OC 668 he provides, what seems to be an opposite explanation to the first one that he gave.  He writes that since it is a Mitzvah to add onto Kodesh, if one were to eat on the night after the Torah obligation of Sukkosd, one would still require a blessing over the eating.  In this manner, of discontinuing at night, this problem is resolved.


Other Rishonim have the custom to eat half of the meal in the SUkkah and the other half in the home.  This custom is mentioned in the addendum to the Sefer HaMinhagim and is cited in the TaZ.  His father-in-law, the Bach, however, states that this custom is in direct violation of our Talmud (Sukkah 47a).


However, as mentioned earlier, the majority view is to eat all the meals in the Sukkah and that is how the Shulchan Aruch codified the Halacha.  The Mishna Brurah also writes, “And so have concluded all the Achronim, like the ruling of the Shulchan Aruch that the obligation is both at night and in the daytime.”  Who are these Achronim?  They are the Mogen Avrohom, the Eliyahu Rabbah, the Mateh Ephraim, the Chayei Adam, Maamar Mordechai, Chasam Sofer (see Ksav Sofer Responsa #120).  The Kaf HaChaim as well rules in the same manner as does the Mishna Brurah.

The Munkatcher Rebbe (Minchas Elazar IV #31), however, cites the aforementioned Tosfos (47a) as the source for being more lenient on Shmini Atzeres to eat in the home.  He writes that, “since it is colder in our countries (in Europe) it is more apparent that we would only be sitting in the Sukkah for the purpose of the Mitzvah and not merely because it would be pleasant.”  The Minchas Elazar would equate eating in the Sukkah on Shmini Atzeres in a colder climate with taking of the lulav on Shmini Atzeres.  Both should not be done because it is apparent that one is doing it for the Mitzvah.

The Aruch HaShulchan also justifies the position of the Chassidim and writes (OC 660:5) that the Chachamim ordained that the eating be in such a way that it not be apparent that he is doing so only for the sake of the Mitzvah.  He concludes, however, that ideally, one should only leave the Sukkah after the day meal.


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12 Responses

  1. I am disappointed that yet again R. Hoffman generalizes too broadly and leaves out important relevant information.

    There is no mention here that Lubavitcher Hasidim, one of the largest and most influential Hasidic groups, do eat in the Sukkah on Shmini Atzeres as the Litvish do. I have a hunch that some other Hasidic groups may as well.

    Hasidim are not only people from Hungary who wear shtreimels. They are a group with many branches, with many different minhagim from one sect to another. This should be taken into account before writing about them and making sweeping generalizations.

  2. “The Munkatcher Rebbe (Minchas Elazar IV #31)…writes that, “since it is colder in our countries (in Europe) it is more apparent that we would only be sitting in the Sukkah for the purpose of the Mitzvah and not merely because it would be pleasant.”

    That description is inaccurate at present, as the overwhelming majority of Hasidim today are not in that part of Europe. They are on other continents, in milder climes. Furthermore, the weather/climate in general has become warmer it seems. Look at the weather forecast for tonight and tomorrow in the NYC area for example. Furthermore, eating outside is healthier, in terms of the COVID-19 issue. Chasidim should therefore reexamine this issue and go back to the mainstream halacha of the gemara and Shulchan Aruch of eating in the Sukkah.

    Additionally it should be clearly noted that Sephardic Jews eat in the Sukkah on Shmini Atzeres, as Litvaks and other non-Chasidim do.

  3. So when the weather is mild there is no justification for not abiding by the gemera and halacha according to this article. Exactly what has frustrated misnagdim for many years.

  4. i object to the author referring to Litvaks as Misnagdim, as if they are one and the same. They are most certainly not! Today very few Litvaks are Misnagim and it is offensive to refer to them as such. i expect the author to issue an apology and to refrain from such derogatory descriptions in the future.

  5. I am really confused and hope I can get a simpler direction to follow. Do I eat in the Sukkah the day after if I live in Israel? In Israel Shmini Atzeres and Simchat Torah are one day.

    I’m told by my Chabad friends that this year we didn’t eat Friday night and Saturday/Shabbat 2nd meal in the Sukkah. That they never eat any meals on Shmini Atzeres and Simchat Torah in the sukkah.

    Above, Lemayesh makes it sound like Chabadnicks do eat? I’m totally confused.

  6. Yerachmieltlv – this article is talking about and directed to people in the diaspora, not to people who live in Eretz Yisroel. In ארץ ישראל there is no inyan of ספיקא דיומא.

  7. @yerachmieltlv

    Lubavitchers absolutely eat in the succah for Shmini Atzeres night and day – not sure you know anyone from Chabad – but sounds like loshon hara on a few meikilim on Halacha…

  8. When the Lubavitcher Rebbe had a heart attack on Shemini Atzeres he refused to even have a sip of water outside the Sukkah. Lubavitchers take eating in the Sukkah very seriously, not eating or drinking anything outside the Sukkah, even water, even in the rain, even on Shemini Atzeres. On the other hand, Lubavitchers have a practice of not sleeping in the Sukkah at all.

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