The leader of Degel HaTorah, Rosh Yeshivah HaGaon HaRav Dov Landau, instructed the Degel HaTorah MKs to act to dissolve the Knesset after the negotiations on the draft law with the chairman of the Knesset’s Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee, Yuli Edelstein, failed, Kikar H’Shabbat reported on Wednesday morning.
A charged meeting on Tuesday night between Edelstein and the Chareidi MKs ended without any progress, with the main issue being Edelstein’s insistence on the law including severe personal sanctions if recruitment targets aren’t reached. Additionally, Edelstein continues to insist that Chareidi recruitment targets include only recruitment for combat and combat support roles, while the Chareidi MKs insist that the recruitment targets also include national/civil service so that they can meet the recruitment targets.
It should be noted that the agreed-upon recruitment targets at this stage is 50% of eligible Chareidim within only five years, contrary to the principles of Defense Minister Yisrael Katz, who spoke of a similar target but within seven years.
Senior Chareidi sources told Kikar on Wednesday morning, “The heads of the Chareidi parties are frustrated with the conduct of Prime Minister Netanyahu. The feeling is that Netanyahu believes that this is a personal crisis of the Chareidim with Edelstein and not something that threatens his position. Our hope is that by next week he will come to his senses and use his weight to resolve the points of contention; otherwise, we will indeed go to elections.”
Following the reports, the heads of the opposition parties said they will submit a bill to dissolve the Knesset next Wednesday.
In a bid to keep Degel Hatorah (UTJ) in his coalition, Netanyahu tried contacting HaGaon HaRav Dov Landau and Hagaon HaRav Moshe Hillel Hirsch – but was snubbed. UTJ’s Chasidic Agudas Yisroel faction, led by chairman Yitzchak Goldknopf, is pushing to dissolve the coalition, though no final call has been made. The Moetzes Gedolei HaTorah of Agudas Yisroel (Admorim) is reportedly in “advanced stages” of planning a meeting to decide their next move.
With just seven Knesset seats, UTJ alone can’t topple Netanyahu’s 68-seat coalition (out of 120). Any move to bring down the government would need the Sephardic Shas party’s support. Shas has stayed silent on the issue but has been coordinating with UTJ recently, including a partial legislative boycott to pressure Netanyahu. Shas’s leadership is also set to meet soon to discuss whether to stick with the coalition.
(YWN Israel Desk – Jerusalem)
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Sometimes it’s better to be smart than right. A lesson lost on some. The chareidi velt has been tone deaf since the war started and they are now seeing that their no compromise position has not only failed to generate a bill protecting them from giyus, but has antagonized the rest of Israeli society. I noticed this week on the radio a subtle change in messaging. Now, the chareidim are saying we are all in the war together, and that they pray day and night for the soldiers. We need achdus to win, etc. Their resistance is merely to protect the Torah scholars, and that the government refuses to compromise! (This is in sharp contrast to the kafui tova expressed in the past as “we protect the soldiers and owe nothing to them; we do not need to thank them, only the RBS.” Credit to the interviewer who said it takes 2 to compromise, and what is the chareidi leadership been willing to compromise on? The chareidi parties may succeed in bringing down the government, but they’ve consigned themselves to the opposition for the next decade. Kol hakavod.
BH, now new elections will bring Bennet, Gantz, Lapid, Lieberman, some members of Likud to power without ben Gvir, Goldknopf, Deri, etc.
I hope no one backs down!!!
The only concern should & must be:- Could dissolution of Knesset in anyway whatsoever impede immediate return of every hostage?
Venerable Roshei Yeshivot, Rabbanei Kehilot, Halachic Poskim and other Torah scholars please continue to educate, lead by example, resolve halachic issues, and publish Torah seforim. Please encourage chesed, proper midot and love of one’s fellow Jew and achdut.
But, please stay out of politics! Politics are a cesspool. Once one enters it’s impossible to stay clean.
Dr.yidd you might be very excited for those names who are all of the most wicked this land has to offer and you will share their fate as well..shame on you pig for supporting any of them. Bennett handed oct7 to Hamas on a platter with those work permits you are a murder
The problem here is that the Israeli Supreme Court ruled that exempting yeshiva students from the draft is illegal under their law because it goes against the idea of equality, in that all people must be treated equal under the law. So the government can pass a law officially exempting them from the draft knowing the supreme court will invalidate the law. And then the IDF will draft them and enforce the draft anyway and the government will blame the supreme court and the IDF, saying that even if the government decided to disobey the court, creating a constitutional crisis, its the IDF that’s drafting them and the IDF chiefs will do this even if the government orders them not to. So the government will not be able to help them with this problem.
Chaim_baruch; You are mistaken. Unlike in pre-war Poland where the greatest Rabbis were members of the Parliament, in Israel they are not Knesset members.
DrYidd – I personally think that the best government would include some of those you want to exclude and exclude some you want to include – but there’s no question that significant change is necessary. Here’s hoping the next government truly does what is best for all of Klal Yisrael – and not only for a part of it…
an Israeli Yid
DrYidd, come back to comment after Prime Minister Lapid gives Hamas everything they demand.
Wow, it’s the day after Shavuos and quite some commenting above are displaying just how clueless they still are. It must have been a wonderful holiday of eating cheesecake. Mind boggling
Dryidd was trolling all of you and y’all fell for it
So Israel is now a theocracy like Iran? The rebbes dictate politics? If a rebbe wants to influence policy, let him join Knesset. Ordering the dissolution of a government from the comfort of a Bais Medrash somewhere is not right.
Lakewoodblt :
When it comes to the Torah, it is better to always be right, even if heretics think you’re not so smart. The Torah-observant Jews, including Chareidim, especially the ones learning Torah, are holding up the world (including the Jews in the holy land) by doing so; they are not “partners” with the Zionist heretics and their wars.
5TResident:
The headline is not written as well as it could, and is missing context, though, regardless, your comment would make proud any maskil.
To clarify the headline, the R”Y told the chareidim to leave the government which will therefore cause new elections, not that he dictated in a vacuum what the Zionist pseudo-“State” should do next.
To provide the missing context, the wicked Zionists are attacking the Torah like never before, and have violated both the original promise they made to Agudah when the Zionists founded their “State” and also their current coalition agreement with the chareidi parties of their parliament.
Therefore, the R”Y told them to leave the coalition, which will therefore cause new elections, as noted.
chaim_baruch:
The wicked Zionists invaded the holy land a century ago and continue to impact the lives of these R”Y’s students and families, which is why there are chareidi parties in the Zionist “Parliament”. Those parties need Daas Torah to advise them if and how they should enter that body of heretics in a “State” of heretics. That’s why the R”Y unfortunately need to be involved in politics.
5TR; No, Israel is not a theocracy. The voters of UTJ & Shas voted for those parties with the knowledge that each party”s “Rebbes” will guide that party’s policies. The coalition agreements that were signed by the Likud have not been kept and that is why they decided that their parties will leave the government.
Of course you knew this already but you just wanted to post your hateful comments anyway.
Also when Moshiach comes, Eretz Yisroel will be a theocracy or a theocratic monarchy, so get ready.
5TR From Rav Akivah and all thru the ages Great leaders of Israel had influence on the political lives of our people…Separation of Church and State is a Jeffersonian Idea Although as Virtuous and as honorable as it is it is not a Judaic concept
Thank you all for explanations.
RebEmes, calling another Jew a pig says it all. You are a bitter, hopeless person; I pity you.
Firstly, if the [secular] politicians would have heeded the advise of the Gedolim in various issues, they would have saved themselves and the country a lot of trouble – YES GEDOLIM DO UNDERSTAND POLITICS; WITH DAAS TORAH PREVIOUS AND CURRENT GEDOLIM HAVE ALWAYS GIVEN SOUND ADVISE IN WORDLY MATTERS AS WELL.
2ndly; Bibi, Likud and all the others, have to learn once and for all: YOU CANNOT MESS ABOUT WITH US, don’t think, if we [Likud] are better for the chareidim than they won’t quit whatever happens – NO, BIBI AND LIKUD HAVE BROKEN THE COALITION AGREEMENT FAR TOO LONG – NOW IT’S TIME FOR THEM TO PAY THE PRICE.
Don’t hold your breath, Bennett’s coalition won’t survive any longer than the previous one.
Having 3 Minjanim at his Yeshiva, only works if out of 350 students, there aren’t more than 3 חיובים. The moment there are more than 3 חיובים, clearly there is nothing to talk about, and the חיובים who are unable to secure a slot at the עמוד must go to זכרון משה where generally it is relatively easy to get the עמוד, by arriving a few minutes early for next ×ž× ×™×ź. I can vouch for this myself, having had to need the עמוד in the past.