Hi I’m back 3.0

yankel > What would be lacking if they did ?

hard to say. Here is a case: Ms Sarah Schenirer got the idea of building a school from Rabbi Dr Frisch from Yakkish school. Several yakkish ladies with university degrees helped her build the curriculum. After that, she got first cursory and then more support from some of the chassidisha rebbes – and opposition from others. If some of those rabbis knew what Rabbi Dr Frisch knew – maybe they would have come up with the school system earlier and with yad rama rather than leaving `the mitzvah to Ms Schenirer? How many neshomos ended up in a wrong place in the meanwhile?

I am not advocating for rebbes doctors, just answering your question “What would be lacking “

@sechel

Rambam igeres taiman:
“According to the interpretation of this chronology, prophecy would be restored to Israel in the year 4976 after the creation of the world”

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what page in the iggeres are these words ?

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To the group

Hi I’m back. Thanks Yankel Berel for making me aware of this thread. The issue of Chabad’s view of Zionism is interesting but this is more in my wheelhouse. I was told by someone very close to Rabbi Deutsch that he left CH and moved to BP because of the death threats he was receiving.

To yankel berel

You should know by now that Shmei selectively answers questions. He’s a propagandist.

Yankel berel about nachas, all you wrote was that it wasn’t done before. How do you know? What’s the issue?
Read the whole igeres! Don’t make fun as if there is no nevuah if you haven’t learned basics in this sugya. I don’t know which page, where I got it from – sefaria – there I no pages
I get from the gemara sotah that the rebbe can have nevuah just maybe on a lower level just like you say about RMF.

@sechel

Smag says clearly that there is no nevu’a untill elyahu hanavi.

He talks about nevu’a as chazal call it such.

That hazal type of nevu’a does not exist anymore .

That hazal type of nevu’a [again] has clear and dramatic halachik ramifications.

For example –

1] a navi needs to tested .

if he fails the test , even by a hairsbreath , he is halachically considered a navi sheker .

And hayav be mitat beit din .

2] if he is a navi emet , any jew not listening to him is hayav mitah biyedei shamayim,

not something to be trifled with.

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Now lets face it – what type of navi did the late leader of habad claim to be , in his sicha of shoftim [5751] ?

The hazal type of navi ?

or the imitation of the hazal type of navi ?

I am under the impression that habad would answer this last question always differently .

Depending on the audience …..

For themselves , for their pnimi chinuch and own adherents they would say – this is the hazal type of nevu’a

But when confronted with ‘outsiders’ posing this very same question , the answer is , no this not the the real hazal type of nevu’a

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Learning the basics in a sugya, any sugya starts with Chazal and Rishonim. But that’s probably not what you had in mind, right?

Lol, classic anti-Chabad screeching on YWN. You quoted Sechel but conveniently skipped the first four words: ‘Read the whole igeres!’ – referring to Igeres Teiman, written by the Rambam, a Rishon.

Yankel also seemed confused by Sechel’s mention of בטלה ענוה alongside נסתלקה נבואה – apparently unaware that they appear together at the end of Gemara Sotah.

So yes, the sugya begins with Chazal (Sotah) and Rishonim (Rambam).

I already posted at length (many pages) about nevuah nowadays in a previous thread, so there’s no point rehashing it here.

To coffee addict

I don’t think it will shut down so quickly because the posts have been less vitriolic than in the past. One thing hasn’t changed of course. Chabad has been proven to be a false religion led by a false Messiah/god.

Ohhh

Menachem …

Shalom Aleichem !

Where have you been all this time ???

We have sooo many kushyot and you do have all the answers . Why have you not shared your intelligence and knowledge with us ??

Please , Menachem there is a huge backlog of unanswered questions . And an equally huge line of questions you [officially] answered , but really sidestepped.

Waiting to hear from you ….

With complete honesty and complete candidness, as is self understood …..
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Hello Menachem ?

Are you there ?

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@Yankel berel
So you’re taking the smag over the rambam? Are you a posek?
As far as manis Friedman shlita, where does it say that someone who says what he said is kefira? Source?
Don’t say ani maamin, cuz he’s not rejecting onesh , he said that because of the great difficulty of galus, hashem takes that into consideration and because of that, at this point no onesh like there was many yrs ago (He may have been exaggerating by saying no onesh completely anyway)

@qwerty

@sechel

Why say that there is a machloket between rambam and smag ?

Afushei plugta lo mafshinan.

Smag says no nevua till eliyahu hanavih

rambam seems to say [as far as i remember] close before mashiach nevuah will return .

[would like a page number of rambam in igeret teiman if possible]

Because of Afushei plugta lo mafshinan , we should say that both agree that before eliyahu there is no nevu’a

and with coming of eliyahu and his nevu’a , rambams prediction will come true.
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To Sechel

Apparently u saw the video, since u know what he said. I’ll repeat it, “Because of the long exile no Jew can be punished no matter what he does.” So you say he was exaggerating. Maybe the Friedeger was exaggerating when he said that religious Zionism is Kefirah. Maybe Rabbi Cumin was exaggerating when he said the Rebbe runs the world. I understand that you want to defend these people because you’re Chabad but I have to assume that they mean what they say especially because I have heard other Lubavitchers say similar things.

To Sechel

According to your “logic” the Sages of the Gemara were Kofrim when they said that there won’t be Nevuah until Moshiach arrives. Second point. Let’s say we accept your thesis that Manis Friedman meant that Hashem only gives the mildest punishments today, how would he know that? Are you saying that he’s also a Novi?

To non-political

A blessing on your head. Too many of the posters seek to obfuscate the issues. You take the clearheaded approach and ask Sechel to clarify his remarks which, of course, he can’t because he has no Sechel. All Lubavitchers are trapped in a catch 22. They can’t honestly answer any rational question because such questions expose that their religion is a series of lies. On the other hand, they can’t admit that the.Rebbe was a Kofer because he’s the basis of their entire existence. So instead they play word games hoping the pursuers will get tired and move to a different subject.

basics of the sugya would be the igeres taimon of the rambam

To Sechel

You ask a good question so I’ll give a better answer. You ask, “We see that even though Nevuah is an Ikkar there were times that we didn’t have it, so too for Schar Veonesh.” The difference is that it’s the Gemara which says that Nevuah will be taken away. On the other hand, it’s some Rabbi who’s saying that Schar Veonesh no longer exists. Now I’ll repeat a question I asked you last week, “Since you foolishly believe that the Rebbe was a Novi give us an example of his Nevuah.”

@qwerty. I have a better answer. None are kofrim, the rambam gives a list of people who are kofrim, he doesn’t mention either!!
You have a proof somewhere that says someone who says there is no schar and onesh for a period of time is a kofer??

Example of the Rebbe’s nevuah is that no one will be killed from the skuds. I’m not a posek but many poskim signed that the rebbe has a din navi. Search Google for the psak din.

> Example of the Rebbe’s nevuah is that no one will be killed from the skuds.

The real navis were American special forces and intelligence officers who were “seeing” where the scud launchers were. I don’t think they caught them but at least the launchers were always on a run.

sechel, we’ve been through all this before. There was at least one person who was killed by a scud in 91, so if that was he nevuah, he was a navi sheker!

You can do a Google search and see 1) it’s not only chabad rabbamim proclaimed he’s a navi 2) NO ONE was killed from a skud (someone was killed during that time NOT from a skud. FACTS. Do a simple search

To Sechel

You’re conflating predictions and prophecies. If someone predicted that the stock market would crash and it did he isn’t a prophet. To be a Novi one must state that Hashem told him etc. Since this never happened the Rebbe’s predictions are irrelevant.

@ sechel83

If we are going to to go down this path let’s at least do it right.

Anyone can make true predictions some of the time.

It would be more relevant to ask did the Rebbe make predictions that turned out to be unambiguously false?

To non-political

How dare you suggest that the Rebbe could ever be wrong?

@sechel

Sechel:

Example of the Rebbe’s nevuah is that no one will be killed from the skuds. I’m not a posek but many poskim signed that the rebbe has a din navi. Search Google for the psak din.

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Lol.

I remember the guy in Petah Tiqva who died from a scud landing right on top of him.

He was known nationally as an anti religious lawyer who donated his services , pro bono, in any secular vs religion court case.

If your rebbi claimed to have fully halachik nevu’ah , then your rebbi is liable to mitat bet din as navi sheker.

Cf Rambam hilchot yesodeh hatorah [end] .

Where he clearly states

If the prospective navi fails even in one small detail of his prediction ,

we know for sure that he is sheker , and therefore hayav mitah .

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