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    R. Brayer, Boyaner Rebbe, Brooklyn college

    #2410917

    yankel > What would be lacking if they did ?

    hard to say. Here is a case: Ms Sarah Schenirer got the idea of building a school from Rabbi Dr Frisch from Yakkish school. Several yakkish ladies with university degrees helped her build the curriculum. After that, she got first cursory and then more support from some of the chassidisha rebbes – and opposition from others. If some of those rabbis knew what Rabbi Dr Frisch knew – maybe they would have come up with the school system earlier and with yad rama rather than leaving `the mitzvah to Ms Schenirer? How many neshomos ended up in a wrong place in the meanwhile?

    I am not advocating for rebbes doctors, just answering your question “What would be lacking “

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    yankel berel
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    @sechel

    sechel :
    Other Jews talk about bringing nachas to their parents so I guess according to you they are idolizing their parents.

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    Huge difference between giving nahat to parents on one hand and

    neo habad giviving nahat to maham shilo , on the other.

    Old habad did not endeavor to give nachat to ba’al hatanya , nor to tsemach tsedeq.

    Old habad gave nachat to the RBSH’O, and to their parents , exactly like 98 % of orthodox jews do now.

    This is a late invention by neo habad .

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    On second thought , it is not really such a big invention.

    After all ,everyone wants to give nachat to HKBH .

    You know the niggun – la’asot nachat ruach , la’asot nachat ruach , laboreh yitbarach shemo.

    So what do you do, if you are convinced that your rebbi IS [chvsh] …… the RBSH’O himself ?

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    Then the answer is simple and logical , like one plus one equals two, ….. you attempt to give nachat to the late rebbi.

    That is THE point of divergence between neo habad on one side and the rest of the orthodox Jewish world

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    THE point of divergence between neo habad on one side and historical habad ledoroteihem .

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    #2410986
    yankel berel
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    @sechel

    Rambam igeres taiman:
    “According to the interpretation of this chronology, prophecy would be restored to Israel in the year 4976 after the creation of the world”

    what page in the iggeres are these words ?

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    #2410998
    yankel berel
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    The gemara in sotah has a whole list of things that were batul like שקדנים, יראי חטא etc. Will you say reb Moshe feinstein did not have יראת חטא? Was not a שקדן???

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    Think the simple answer to your q is that RMF with his towering greatness , did still not reach the level mentioned in Mes Sotah.

    So what do you want to learn from there ?
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    #2411130
    qwerty613
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    Hi I’m back. Thanks Yankel Berel for making me aware of this thread. The issue of Chabad’s view of Zionism is interesting but this is more in my wheelhouse. I was told by someone very close to Rabbi Deutsch that he left CH and moved to BP because of the death threats he was receiving.

    To yankel berel

    You should know by now that Shmei selectively answers questions. He’s a propagandist.

    #2411141
    qwerty613
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    To Menachem Shmei

    Would you care to comment on Rabbi Manis Friedman’s statement that no Jew can be punished today no matter what he does? Also his remark that we keep Mitzvahs, not because we’re commanded to do so, but because G-d has needs and having us keep Mitzvahs fulfills those needs.

    #2411276
    sechel83
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    Yankel berel about nachas, all you wrote was that it wasn’t done before. How do you know? What’s the issue?
    Read the whole igeres! Don’t make fun as if there is no nevuah if you haven’t learned basics in this sugya. I don’t know which page, where I got it from – sefaria – there I no pages
    I get from the gemara sotah that the rebbe can have nevuah just maybe on a lower level just like you say about RMF.

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