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sechel:
Calling the rebbe a … Is apikorses—-
I called him a non navi .
is that apikorses ?
.Qwerty
Why don’t you call up Rabbi Manis Friedman and ask him.
I think there is schar and onesh but I agree that hashem is understanding and merciful and takes into consideration what today’s generation is going thru.To yankel berel
I wouldn’t worry about being called an Apikorus by Chabad. Menace said that no Jew can be punished anymore.
To Sechel
You didn’t answer my question but that’s all right. I’ll address your comment. According to Menace no Jew can be punished today because Hashem is merciful. Okay, so we have a Rabbi in a Yeshiva who’s a serial child molester. According to Menace Hashem won’t punish him because He’s merciful. But what about the victims? Why isn’t Hashem merciful to them? Checkmate.
sechel: “I think there is schar and onesh but I agree that hashem is understanding and merciful and takes into consideration what today’s generation is going thru.”
Sorry, but to me that seems a meaningless statement. When Hashem judges each individual he does so according to that individual’s personality, emotional makeup, his life experiences, and everything else that makes him the person he is, as those are the way Hashem made him. It has always been that way, and it always will.
Furthermore, who are we to say that this generation has it any harder than any other generation? We don’t have the same desire for avodah zarah and (surprisingly) for arayos as the generation of Anshei Knesses Hagedolah (see Sanhedrin 64a), and each generation has its own nisyonos.
Isn’t it just that we have been mollycoddled and feel that we deserve an easier life with fewer nisyonos? (And yes, that feeling of being deserving may itself indeed be one of this generation’s great nisyonos.)
To ARSo
Beautifully said. Menace isn’t a Kofer because Rabbi Feldman said he is, he’s a Kofer because he wants to change a fundamental principle of Judaism. I’d like to apologize for the things I said to you last year. Please be Mochel me. We’re on the same team and our “Coach” is Hashem’s Torah.
To Nope
I’d like to thank you for telling the truth. You’re more than welcome to join the discussion. And I don’t mind if you use your tactics on me. They keep me on my toes.
You know, qwerty613 keeps stating again and again that R. Feldman called R. Friedman a kofer. So I guess I have to repeat some points I made in another thread:
“Note, too, that R. Feldman _doesn’t_ call R. Friedman a kofer. He says that his statements are kefirah and that he’s a “bor birshus harabbim” (a pit – i.e., danger – in the public domain). You may think those are the same thing, but they are not; as an example, R. Hillel makes a statement in Sanhedrin 99a (אין משיח לישראל) which the Gemara itself harshly criticizes, and which the Radvaz says is flat-out kefirah – and he also says that R. Hillel is not branded a kofer for it, but an annus.”
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“Watch the video again and see what R. Feldman says about R. Friedman. He calls him a “bor birshus harabbim,” a “fool,” and an “am haaretz” – but ***not*** a “kofer.” Seems that you just looked at the title of the video and didn’t bother watching it. Well, I did, and if you listen to the whole thing – it’s less than four minutes; surely you can spare that amount of time – you’ll see that the words “he is a heretic/kofer/whatever” ***do not*** appear in R. Feldman’s actual speech. So, for you to repeat, after this was pointed out to you, that “R. Feldman called him a Kofer” and to accuse me of “twisting what Rabbi Feldman said” is a flat-out lie, of the kind that you claim to be so against!”
And several other claims of his in that thread that I demonstrated were flat-out lies. His response? Not “You’re right, I’ll do better.” Not “I’m sorry for my lies and misrepresentations.” No, pretending that he holds the moral high ground and that my points aren’t even worth responding to.
So, we seem to have pretty well established that qwerty613’s posts are, to use his own wording on the previous page, “a house of lies.” Perhaps, now that this has been brought to the attention of others here, they’ll know how to evaluate his other claims too. Until, of course, a new thread is started, and he’ll repeat the same lies again, figuring that no one will bother checking back on him…
To yankel berel
Yo reference the Dvar Malchus of 5751 but I think that the Rebbe’s plans go much farther back. We’re constantly told that when he was beginning Cheder he had a vision of Moshiach. I think that it was at that point he decided he was destined to rule the world.
To the group
Nope is correct in stating that Rabbi Feldman didn’t call Me ace a Kofer, rather he stated that his statements were heretical. So we’ll focus on the statements. One the belief that G-d has human attributes, to be precise as per Menace, “G-d d needs us more than we need him.” Then we have Menace statement that G-d sounds like a monster for creating sins and getting angry at man for committing them. Finally we have the statement from Menace that no person can be punished no matter what he does because of the bitter exile. According to Rabbi Feldman these statements are heresy, but Nope does not accept what Rabbi Feldman said because he believes that Rabbi Feldman was obligated to call Menace and ask him to explain what he meant. The problem with that suggestion is that Rabbi Efren Goldberg interviewed Menace and asked him how he could say that G-d has needs and Menace said that this is his opinion and he won’t change it. Checkmate.
To the group
My father AH liked to tell this joke, “What’s the definition of Chutzpah? Someone kills his father and mother and then asks the court for mercy because he’s an orphan.” Well we now present Nope who takes that several steps further. In the thread he mentioned above about Religious Zionism Nope admitted that he not only tried to convince me to be Mechallel Yom Kippur but he urged me to take a video of myself eating treif on that day and to send it to him for his viewing delight. This is an example of his depravity. And now he hopes to “prove” that I’m a liar so the posters will reject my comments. Last year Menachem Shmei begged the moderators not to print my posts. Now this. Chabad and it’s acolytes are deathly afraid of me. I take that as a compliment. It means that my message is coming through. Oh yeah Checkmate.
to qwerty
you are right
harav mibrisk has been reliably quoted – when he read the first sicha of their rebbi , after they took the so called ‘nesi’ut hador’ from the rashag [r shmaryahu gurary] the oldest son in law of the rayats .
that this newly minted rebbi fantasizes that he is the mashiach
interesting how certain people can see things beshoresh while others barely see them even when begaluy.
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.qwerty: “I’d like to apologize for the things I said to you last year.”
No problem. But a request and a word of advice: please stop using invectives and name-calling (e.g. Menace Friedman). It waters down the strength of what you write because it makes it sound childish.
yankel berel: “the question , to sechel , should be , and that’s arso’s intention [hope to have gotten this right] was there a change in schar va ‘onesh , or not, not whether there was a change in circumstances”
Yes, exactly. The rules stay the same, and they apply equally to each individual. It’s just that each individual is judged on his abilities, his personality and his circumstances, all of which are orchestrated by Hashem. And it has always been that way.
In other words, I understand R Manis Friedman as being like R Levi yotzchok of barditshuv. Being milamed zchus on yidden. Very simple. You want to understand otherwise – good for you call him whatever you want , but know you’re just looking in a mirror of yourself
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