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SE2015. Well said. There is a fairly high certainty we will see some spike this fall in CV 19 in parallel with the start of the regular flu season. That is a given. The good news is that hopefully there is some level of antibody immunity in a segment of the frum tzibur and we have better protocols for treating those who are hospitalized. However, NYC has just issued guidelines for City Schools this fall limiting classes to 3 days per week and imposing strict rules on masks, social distancing, sanitation etc. for all school facilities in the City. Not clear if Gov Cuomo will again try to trump the mayor and impose even more burdensome rules but we know that Schools this falls will be limited. Also unclear whether these rules will affect yeshivos. More likely that yeshivos will be governed by the State/Cuomo statewide school reopening rules coming out later in the week
@CTL,
How many deaths did the Nutmeg State have since Monday, Zero
How many fatal car crashes did the Nutmeg State since Monday- 23
How many people admitted to the hospital in CT. for Covid 19 since Monday? 20
How many people admitted to the hospital in CT as a result of car crashes, 300.
Did you stop driving your car?If car exhaust spread fatal car crashes, I would be in favor of tailpipe masks.
@2015 Alcohol causes drunk driving, so lay off the bottle
@CTLAWYER
It was years I did not log in to this website
I do not think I know you in real life. but I read you often. I am very sorry to hear about your daughter catching the virus, she should have a refua shleima and suffer no long-term effect
Since you are among the not-many voices of reasons in this turmoil, I would like to ask you if she believes she caught the virus on the plane or during her work interactions and if she was wearing DPI.
Please be very careful and stay safe along with your family.@CTLAWYER So sorry to hear that. Was she wearing PPE? Does she think it was on the plane or in work interaction? Wishing her a refua shleima and please be very careful.
My brother’s neighbor in Lakewood is in quarantine. Maybe they picked it up out of state.
Correction. It was a case of local transmission, They were together with someone who came back from Arizona.
To continue my stupid joke, all caronas (Spanish for automobiles) need transmissions, but that does not mean they transmit coronavirus.
A new stupid joke is that corona, like most beers, is considered kosher even if it lacks a hechsher.
As for coronavirus in the frum world, coronabirus can cross any border, as the folks in Florida, Texas, Georgia and elsewhere in the US have learned, the hard way. So long as there is coronavirus in most of the world, the frum world is at risk.
NJ is in a tough spot. I wish people would think about it a bit more.
So of course yeshivaleit are putting their marks back on and being more careful.
n0m,
In the tri-state areas especially the frum places, there is minimal mask wearing and no noticeable social distancing going on.
It has been like that for a few months.
In May/June people guaranteed to me, that everyone would start wearing marks as soon as there was community spread again. We are heading toward sorrow in eight weeks.
I wrote on another topic that there is a mitzva wearing a mask being mekayem love your fellow man like yourself by protecting others from infections.
Lo Samod Al Dam Rayecha
A Reuters article on NYC listed these – and only these neighborhoods, as currently having outbreaks.
Kew Gardens
Edgemere-Far Rockaway
Williamsburg
Midwood, Borough Park, BensonhurstAnybody notice the ad with the scale?
@n0m,
Kew Gardens has been very meticulous about following the rules.
Edgemere is not the frum area of Rockaway, and FR and 5 Towns are busy with closing shuls etc.
Williamsburg has a large hipster population
That leaves midwood/ bp.
Therefore…………………….?Therefore the idea that we were done with corona in May is false. Even though every epidemiologist said we had just started at that point. I am waiting for the OP to explain himself.
@n0m, exactly my point, most of the area affected are not frum areas or areas that were busy following the rules to the letter of the law yet they still got it
I think people are developing mask derangement syndrome as well.
If you walk around in a mask you are doing very little unless you are also washing your hands well, often and thoroughly, refraining from touching your face and then other things, and not touching your mask when you take it off.The mask mantra people have shot guns aimed at non mask wearers, without knowing if they can even be carriers, but totally disregard a call for the other crucial issues. Why? Perhaps because they enjoy judging and condeming people more than they worry about covid19? Who knows. But i have heard zero mention of the actual precautions from these people which leads me to wonder how much they really care about stopping the spread.
Don’t confuse him with facts
CS -“n0m, exactly my point, most of the area affected are not frum areas or areas that were busy following the rules to the letter of the law yet they still got it”
Most Frum people that I’ve seen are Not wearing Masks – That’s why there is an Uptick in cases in the Frum community.
Do you know why it’s called Aseres Yemay Teshuvah?
So do some Teshuvah and Don’t cause Others Harm.Btw, to answer your silly question, Masks only work if you have 100% compliance.
It’s True that More Goyim wear Masks than Frum Jews, but it’s Not anywhere near 100%!Masks only work if you have 100% compliance.
Really? How does my mask know if you’re wearing a mask?
Masks protect the others from Covid19 in the air.
Thank you for finally admitting that.
@Meno- “how does your mask know…,”
Let’s play a game outside with our kids. You need a hose, 2 pieces of cloth folded into at least double thickness (or use a cloth mask), and 4 buckets.
1. Spray water into bucket for 5 seconds.
2. Hold cloth as a shield 1/2” in front of bucket, spray hose so it only hits cloth (not direct into buckets).
3. Hold a piece of cloth half an inch away from the hose (bucket not blocked), and spray through fill bucket for 5 seconds.
4. Now hold 1 cloth like a shield an inch from hose, and another as a shield in front of bucket.
How much water was stopped in bucket 4?
The mask might not stop 100%, but I bet the chances of the bucket filling are much lower.And that’s why both sides need masks.
Mistykins- i very much appreciate your moshel, but streaming water and buckets are very different molecularly than water, breath is different than a stream from a hose etc. So even tho it assists with the concept, it is a fallacy for people to transfer this image to their understanding of covid19. The germs are smaller than the holes on the madk. Which is why i believe people at risk need to keep their distance. And many, many, many hoses have no water eminating from them.
Disclaimer- while i believe the high risk individuals should remain sheltered to stay clear of corona, i also believe the sheltering is proving fatal in other ways. Which is why i am in a quandry on what to do and i believe each person needs to make their own cheshbon. Which includes to stop calling people murders.
@SyagLchochma
I’m glad that you’re on here promoting mask wearing, especially with the horrific trend of people ignoring the major health crisis we are having. You are right: a mask won’t protect from COVID-19 germs, they are smaller than the mask which is why wearing a mask doesn’t prevent you from getting Coronavirus. You forgot to mention the other side of the coin, though. If someone with Coronavirus (probably asymptomatic and unknowingly) is wearing a mask, their breath doesn’t go much further than their face and it’s highly unlikely that they will infect anyone.
I had a different moshul I used on another thread. Imagine if everyone in a city carried a gun at all times with their finger on the trigger. No one knows which guns have blanks and which have real bullets. Despite the fact that most of the bullets are blanks, it’s still imperative that everyone keep the safety on at all time lest they accidentally pull the trigger.
So Rabboisai! Please please please wear a mask when you go out! None of us know for sure that we don’t have Coronavirus, so we have to be extra careful!
Checked some of the states metrics, some areas had a spike with a positive rate of 3%, yet it has been stead for a while. in fact, it briefly was above 3%, hopefully it will just get better.
“their breath doesn’t go much further than their face and it’s highly unlikely that they will infect anyone.”
I have been told this is not true. Which is why some wear n95. Why we are stuck social distancing even in masks, why they still won’t let us have crowds over 100 indoors etc etc. The misinformation isn’t helpful. These mosholim are relying on the medical ignorance of the public. I don’t believe i need a mask but i still chose not to invite any friends to my kid’s recent wedding.
Meno -“Really? How does my mask know if you’re wearing a mask?”
It’s on top of your shoulders. There is a brain on top of your shoulders – if it’s not in your skull, then it’s on top of your Skull.
@SyagLchochma Good to hear that you’re taking big weddings seriously and not having a huge crowd of potential plague vectors. I’m not sure what you mean by misinformation. Every doctor has been beyond clear on the topic: an infected person with a even a cloth mask on has almost no chance to spread the disease. Were you referring to N95 masks in regards to getting infected? I think that’s still true, that only an N95 or above can protect yourself.
Again, I like hearing that people like you are taking it seriously, despite all the misinformation out there. I’m glad you wear a mask all the time.
I pashut don’t understand people who keep saying “You don’t have to, I don’t understand, it’s confusing”. You put a piece of fabric on your face! The six year olds at my local cheder sit for hours with masks on, why can’t adults do the same?!
“Every doctor has been beyond clear on the topic: an infected person with a even a cloth mask on has almost no chance to spread the disease.”
This is false. I have never heard a doctor say that. And i doubt it’s true. The mask is too porous and it would take the addition of handwashing to keep others safe. People with the virus need to isolate.
“I’m glad you wear a mask all the time.”
I’ve been pretty clear that i don’t. Only when mandatory, like inside stores or hotels. Or if asked by a friend who stops by.
Also, at first i thought you were using a teacher voice to be sarcastic but now I’m thinking someone else is using your account.
To the question in the OP. EY is among the worst countries in the world in terms of the recent increase in Corona Virus infections, even when the data are adjusted for higher testing rates. In the NYC area, the most rapid growth in new infections are in frum neighborhoods. To those mindless yidden who continue to ask, “is there still Corona virus in the frum velt”, the answer YES and the numbers are again accelerating.
It’s all about where you mindset is? Up there or down here. They are both real .
Our opinions are not being sought in this issue. Our compliance is mandatory to assist with avoiding a worse situation. Doctors are not experts (we for sure are not), they are offering sound advice which when respected has yielded results. It is Erev Yom Kippur, Yom Hadin, let’s shift our focus to helping each other more & stop the bickering, complaining, no it is not comfortable to wear a mask, social distance, this goes fundamentally against human nature. This pandemic is above nature, no control. Please respect the limitations as setup. Wishing each & everyone a G’mar Chasima Tova. I”YH we will be zoiche to Moshiach Tzidkainu be’korev
@syag-lchochma You wear a mask when inside, shul, stores, or simchas. That’s what counts. Outside is not as important, I can understand if you have asthma or something and difficult time wearing a mask 24/7.
I have never heard a doctor say anything but “please wear a mask as much as possible”. My local pediatrician, Dr. Zelenko, my friends who are doctors, Dr. Shanick, Dr. Fauci, Dr. Birx, Dr. Jerome Adams, my co-workers who are epidemiologists, all say that if everyone wears a mask the disease will be halted. What country are you from? Maybe it’s a cultural thing that where you live doctors are against masks.
The mask being porous is a misconception. COVID-19 viruses can get through a mask, that is true. But it’s the medium in which they travel that the mask blocks. That medium is spittle and other bodily fluids. Try blowing out a candle while wearing a cloth mask. You can’t! Just like your breath is severely hampered, so to your spittle doesn’t get far, certainly not far enough to carry a COVID-19 virus into someone else’s mout.
Masks work. Everyone who is professionally educated about viral transmissions or works in healthcare are near-unanimous on that front.
Here in the UK and crawley there is corona getting very bad
Syag -“If you walk around in a mask you are doing very little unless you are also washing your hands well,…”
There’s Tzay Dinim. When you’re talking about getting yourself, then you should do all those things that you posted.
When you’re positive or pretty sure you have it, the Main thing is to wear a mask. Here in Lakewood, there are very few people who are. I know s/o who wore a mask on R.H., but the Shul didn’t require e/o to wear them. He found out later – that a guy next to him tested positive for Covid19 & he wasn’t wearing a Mask!@Syag, sorry to not reply sooner, it was a busy few days. Yserbius said it already. The germ can get through, but it is encased in spittle, which can’t.
And to anyone saying that they don’t hear doctors saying to wear a mask, you find me one surgeon who operates without wearing one. That’s all the proof I need that masks prevent germs.
yes there are cases in the jewish communities of hospitalizations recently. be safe and wear a mask and use hand sanitizer. if you show any symptoms you should not show up to shul. be safe and stay healthy
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