September 14, 2011 7:37 pm at 7:37 pm #1200232TheGoqParticipant
ask a FrogSeptember 14, 2011 7:37 pm at 7:37 pm #1200233
honey is also really , really good on fried chickenSeptember 14, 2011 7:38 pm at 7:38 pm #1200234ha ha ha haMember
adorable- it may be hard to stand up whats right but just cause everyone is doing something totally asuar makes it by no means correct but do as you know is right and deep down people admire you for doing whats right and not what is “in”
aries- well said the way you view yourself that is the way poeple view you!!September 14, 2011 7:39 pm at 7:39 pm #1200235
are you voting for honey or vinegar? you keep changing your mind. honey is good when baking but vinegar is not!September 14, 2011 7:39 pm at 7:39 pm #1200236
well theres your problem
gefilte fish doesnt belong in jars
it has to be homemade, preferably by a Bubby
or at least someone trained by a BubbySeptember 14, 2011 7:41 pm at 7:41 pm #1200237
i HAVE had honey mustard dressing on salmon
and yes you are right
but i dont consider salmon a real fish.
trout, now theres a fishSeptember 14, 2011 7:43 pm at 7:43 pm #1200238
I like Salmon, But Red Snapper and Flounder are good tooSeptember 14, 2011 7:44 pm at 7:44 pm #1200239
well best is to mix the honey and vinegar together
its not good for much by itself,
but if you add some oil, garlic and salt youll have a great salad dressingSeptember 14, 2011 7:44 pm at 7:44 pm #1200240
then whats salmon to you???September 14, 2011 7:45 pm at 7:45 pm #1200241
salmon is an entity unto itself
nothing pink should be called fish
even rainbow trout is only a light tanSeptember 14, 2011 7:46 pm at 7:46 pm #1200242
how can it be that you know so much about every single thing under the sun?!??!?!?September 14, 2011 7:46 pm at 7:46 pm #1200243bbubbeeParticipant
Am Yisrael Chai, thank you for that beautiful poem. If we would just remember that we are all BNOS MELACHIM the daughters of the “KING OF KINGS”, we would all dress in a manner that is becoming a princess. If you remember last year when Queen Elizabeth was in NY to visit ground zero, it was 101degrees in the shade, but she still wore her hat, gloves, long sleeved dress & gloves that is the proper attire for a women of her stature. If we cannot – or do not want to – use our Nashim Tzidkanios as role models, because we think that we cannot live up to their standards, then at least let us emulate the “Royalty” of the world.September 14, 2011 7:46 pm at 7:46 pm #1200244
But what are you really looking to catch fish or bees?September 14, 2011 7:47 pm at 7:47 pm #1200245
tilapia seems to be the rage lately
personally i like halibut and chilean sea bass (which unfortunately has gotten pretty expensive)
now THOSE are real fish, none of that pink girlie stuffSeptember 14, 2011 7:48 pm at 7:48 pm #1200246
isnt there an issue with tilapia now?September 14, 2011 7:49 pm at 7:49 pm #1200247
I went fishing last fall for Sea Bass, Those Fish are HUGE , Like 20-30 lbs
Dont care for tilapiaSeptember 14, 2011 7:49 pm at 7:49 pm #1200248
issue with tilAPIA?
I DONT KNOW
WHAT HAVE YOU HEARD?
sorry capslock accidentSeptember 14, 2011 7:50 pm at 7:50 pm #1200249ha ha ha haMember
yeps there is cause tilapia usually dont cover their kneesSeptember 14, 2011 7:51 pm at 7:51 pm #1200250
i dont like tilapia either but it has gotten to be the most poular fish lately, at least where i live.September 14, 2011 7:52 pm at 7:52 pm #1200251
Probably because its cheap
Red Snapper is expensive after Fileting its almost $15 a poundSeptember 14, 2011 7:54 pm at 7:54 pm #1200252rebaParticipant
I wanted to see what was doing with this thread and you are talking about fish??????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!September 14, 2011 7:56 pm at 7:56 pm #1200253
with bugs or something? and can you tell me how you know every single thing?September 14, 2011 7:56 pm at 7:56 pm #1200254
why are you surprised, didnt you read the title?September 14, 2011 7:57 pm at 7:57 pm #1200255
ahh..red snapper with almondine sauce..mmmSeptember 14, 2011 8:03 pm at 8:03 pm #1200256
Does red snapper have high necks or was that bronzini?September 14, 2011 8:14 pm at 8:14 pm #1200257yichusdikParticipant
Tums, If the sheva mitzvos bnei noach have to do with torah, then democracy fits in to #7. Let’s say it doesn’t though. Red lights have nothing to do with Torah either, but you stop at them anyways. Again, IF you live in and benefit from a country with a democratic system, you are obliged by your benefit to respect that system, including its freedoms, in the public realm.
You can choose to change that system and its standards, but to do so, unless you bring either rule at the point of a gun or an act of hakodosh boruch hu, you need to convince the others you share the country with. It has been done before, it’s not impossible. Unless you remove yourself from the environment and the society and its benefits, you don’t have much of a practical case.September 14, 2011 8:27 pm at 8:27 pm #1200258TumsMember
If the sheva mitzvos bnei noach have to do with torah, then democracy fits in to #7.
Using that logic you can equally say in North Korea that the hereditary communist dictatorship fits into the Torah.
In any event, halacha alwaya takes precedence when there is a conflict.September 14, 2011 8:29 pm at 8:29 pm #1200259
umm…i think were getting a little off topic hereSeptember 14, 2011 8:31 pm at 8:31 pm #1200260
Smells a bit Fishy to meSeptember 14, 2011 8:38 pm at 8:38 pm #1200262
AND VINEGAR/HONEY IS NOT?September 14, 2011 8:44 pm at 8:44 pm #1200263apushatayidParticipant
Bottom line. Whats is the issue with the bubbies of Ramat Beit Shemesh (their recipes for gefilte fish notwithstanding)?September 14, 2011 11:45 pm at 11:45 pm #1200265tzippiMember
I’ll take the tangent over blatant lashon hara any day.
What does that bumper sticker say? Oh, yeah: Do teshuva now, beat the holiday rush.September 15, 2011 12:14 am at 12:14 am #1200266shprintzeMember
adorable and queenbee:
While many many women (in NY and other communities) are toeing the “tznius lines” of elbows, knees and collar bones, there is now a trend going the opposite way. There are many women and girls starting to dress more tzniusdig, more of a meah shearim style, my guess is to combat those losing their tznius.
Even though I am a pretty recent bais-yakov graduate I unfortunately have a hard time keeping to my high school’s standards of tznius. (My husband doesn’t get it either, and asked me why on earth I was wearing stockings in 100 degree Miami summer.) It was always drilled into my head to “cover, measure and pin” my clothing, but I was never taught the sources of the “tznius lines”.
I understand I must act in a certain aidele way, and not wear tight clothing, and must cover most of my body. But why do I have to wear stockings? Why can’t I show my toes? Why my elbows? Whats wrong with a slit below my knee? And whats the difference between 4 inches below my knee and one inch above?
Yes a Jewish woman has to act and dress a certain way, but who made up the rules?
P.S. One of my seminary rebbaim taught me a very important rule of tzinus, that inspires me more than 12 years of Bais Yakov training. He said “A woman should dress the way she wants OTHER women to dress in front of her husband”September 15, 2011 12:48 am at 12:48 am #1200267
Shprintze, great vort!September 15, 2011 2:31 am at 2:31 am #1200268oomisParticipant
Did anyone actually say exactly what the Bubbies are wearing that is so offensive? (I have not read every single post, so excuse me if this has already been addressed).September 15, 2011 3:00 am at 3:00 am #1200269shlishiMember
Their knees (and above) are not always covered (sitting, walking, etc.) when they are in public.September 15, 2011 3:05 am at 3:05 am #1200270mddMember
Shprintze, I did not get your post – it sends mixed signals.September 15, 2011 4:49 am at 4:49 am #1200272shlishiMember
The knees must be covered at all times. But let’s put that aside for a moment. Anyone who doesn’t cover the knees, will display above the knee, which you acknowledge is 100% assur. If her knees are uncovered, unless she remains standing like a statue all day, she will display above the knee.September 15, 2011 5:06 am at 5:06 am #1200273
Granted, but what if her skirt goes a short distance below the knees so that at most the knee itself is showing?September 15, 2011 10:54 am at 10:54 am #1200274springbok007Participant
Lead by example only in this fight. People do not respond to holy than thou attitudes. After all if they felt they were doing something inappropriate would they be doing it?September 15, 2011 1:34 pm at 1:34 pm #1200275Derech HaMelechMember
Recently I have noticed the increase of inappropriately dressed elderly woman walking around Ramat Beit Shemesh.
I’ve never been to beit shemesh but form everything that I’ve heard, this is not really so surprising.
Consider moving to Kiryat Sefer or Beitar. You won’t have this problem there.September 15, 2011 2:57 pm at 2:57 pm #1200276am yisrael chaiParticipant
Beit Shemesh and RBS are 2 distinct areas.
In fact, RBS aleph is distinctly different that RBS bais.
I’m wondering if it was necessary to include your first sentence on this auspicious day in Elul, the second part reflects your point totally. And this is truly said with deep respect and warmth.
Let’s all try to be careful for the next few days.
TIASeptember 15, 2011 3:10 pm at 3:10 pm #1200277mddMember
Sam2, that is also ossur.September 15, 2011 3:13 pm at 3:13 pm #1200278apushatayidParticipant
This is only an issue with the Bubbies?September 15, 2011 3:16 pm at 3:16 pm #1200279
MDD: source?September 15, 2011 4:38 pm at 4:38 pm #1200280shprintzeMember
mdd: sorry I was unclear.
Basically I personally abide by the halachos of tznius, but only because of the community I associate myself with. I would really like to understand where the halachos come from. I’m sure that if girls (and women) were taught halachos of tznius (and not just told to cover) they would dress accordingly. In all my bais yakov years not a single teacher or Rabbi showed us a textual source of tznius guidelines. It was taught more as a sensitivity/hashkafa subject.
So can anyone tell me where it says I have to cover my whole knee at all times?September 15, 2011 4:40 pm at 4:40 pm #1200281Derech HaMelechMember
I’m wondering if it was necessary to include your first sentence on this auspicious day in Elul, the second part reflects your point totally.
I’m not sure I understand what you mean. Are you worried that I said loshon hora?September 15, 2011 6:10 pm at 6:10 pm #1200282mytakeMember
I have a very, very difficult time with certain areas of Tznius. Wearing skirts that give sufficient coverage, wearing tights that are not see-through, wearing my hair in a eidel way (Hashem gave me very pretty, long hair and it takes a lot of sensitivity and strength to wear it toned-down)and not wearing tight clothes are the four most difficult areas of Tznius for me. (I’m not even gonna talk about how hard it is to keep the makeup, perfume, and nail colors in check)
These things are a struggle for me EVERY SINGLE DAY. It does NOT get easier with time, and it’s not always a winning battle for me. There are many thoughts that give me the strength to make the right choices and I am grateful to Hashem for sending certain books/shiurim my way so I can remind myself why and what I am fighting for.
I just want people to understand that not every time you see a girl/woman with a Tznius flaw does it mean that she doesn’t care or doesn’t try. No, I am not a BT, but it is still the most difficult area of Yiddishkeit for me and all I can do for now is keep on fighting and somehow not get discouraged by the occasional decline. And give myself credit for the improvement I’ve made.
Some posters seem to think that Tznius is only about awareness. For many people that seems to be enough. But not for everyone. I am very very familiar with the Halachos, but the struggle is still there.September 15, 2011 6:16 pm at 6:16 pm #1200283mytakeMember
Rabbi Falk’s sefer provides sources for every single Halacha in there.September 15, 2011 10:41 pm at 10:41 pm #1200286
Mytake: He does not. Many of Rabbi Falk’s Halachos are based on the Minhagim in Gateshead and his own logical conclusions (from sources, but not actually sourced) about what Tznius should be.
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