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AS for Sdoim, on many threads here and elsewhere when hockers discuss fallen baalei tzedoko who end up in Federal Koilel, invariably one or two cynics said – they gave tzedoko – but with whose money?
When a businessman is convicted of taking someone else’s money, even if the money went to tzedoko, it results in a stay in Federal Koilel. Yet, that is exactly what the left wants to do – give tzedoko, to its own choice of deserving candidates, using other people’s money.
Lack of respect for private property and lack of freedom of choice is what Sdom was all about. In Sdom, there was one Merkoz haChessed – the one with the one size fits all bed and the macabre band of orthopadeic surgeons (trained where, I wonder) to make the person fit the bed. Anyone else who engaged in chessed was chayav misso!
Yes, that is the vision of the left. Socialist Sodom. The USSR. Union of Sodomite Socialist Republics. One size fits all, with legalized toeva and erosion of the family and community thrown into the (Hillary Clinton) machshefa’s brew.
I look out on the destruction and pollution wrought by the USSR of old and its misguided so called chessed every day. 20 years later, it has not been fixed. I also see the casualties of its health care system; disabled men and women who would have been healthy had they had the fortune to be born or treated in the free world during their youth. And that system isn’t fixed either, far from it. Obama is leading you down the same path, just not as dramatically and not as disastrously.
In addition, a special award should be given to:
Kedoshei Mumbai HYD
Kedoshei Merkaz haRav HYD
In our davening and mourning for them, we came together as Klal Yisroel like never before, setting aside our differences and personal backgrounds to storm Shamayim for their safety, and when the decree was made known, to do so much in their memory.
In addition teenagers and young adults often do nbot need health care period.
This is correct. With the exception of one school accident which was minor, and a sports related request for a (fruitless) consultation and X-rays, I had no treatment that could not be handled by phone (call in teenage skincare RX, 3 refills ran out, call in another one) from age 10 to age 38 when my cholesterol level, which I had been monitoring on my own by going to labs in Moscow and EY and getting it tested annually, was deemed high enough to need treatment.
Today I treat it outside my insurance as it is not worth dealing with paperwork for barely $9 worth of fine Czech made “branded generic” Lipitor every month. I think that price is lower than the US copay for it on most insurances. I get my well packaged, properly made statin OTC and know full well to take my liver enzyme tests every year ($10). In the US nanny state, I would get four worthless followups a year on that Lipitor, so that the underpaid doctor could get a few extra capitation payments out of my insurance and the copays out of my BH healthy self.
I also keep a handful of skin creams in the house and a couple of them are RX in the US. All of them together cost me less than my dinner did today and I probably use a tube of each per annum if that. These, too, would necessitate a consultation and RX in the US.
Cut the nanny state and treat adults like adults. Educate people to read and be aware and take care of themselves – and to help each other rather than expect big daddy gov’t to step in. THAT is how you cut costs.
Add Sweden to the list of countries where suffering is caused by the Sdoimish system. A student intern who worked for me in Moscow told me a horror story which ended in the premature passing of a friend of hers from a treatable malignancy LA due to neglect.
She herself had to leave my employ earlier than scheduled because of the aftereffects of incompetent, essentially incomplete treatment of a very typical skiing injury that necessitated her having to undergo additional surgery. This need for surgery forced her to return to Schlockholm earlier than scheduled because had she postponed it to the date which would have been better for her (and for me) she would have lost her place in the surgery queue for another year or so. Had she been injured and treated in the US, or even for that matter under the expatriate coverage I had in Moscow, her outcome would have been very different and she would not have had to undergo 2 periods of temporary disability for one incident.
Her brother has a permanent facial deformity pursuant to a relatively minor injury, again due to the wonderful system in Sweden.
In any case, [R’ MT] is the single most respected expert in medical halachah outside of Israel and most frum physicians follow his Torah.
A growing number of Torah true physicians want nothing to do with him due to his borderline mesira regarding the metzitza bapeh issue.
More people die from the mistakes and rationing of socialized Sdoimish medicine in Canada and the UK than die because of supposed lack of access to care in the US, which even illegals manage to access in (y)our overstreched malchus shel chessed.
Moshiach, common among Persians, Bukharans and Georgians, is probably not used anymore in this generation; kind of embarrassing.
In my old shul in Moscow we had a Bukharan jeweler whose name was Moshiach and his father’s name was Dovid! Heads would turn when he was called up for an aliya, to put it mildly, because we were expecting his brother Mordechai to come and daven musaf….
Shprintza means spring in Yiddish and would be equivalent to Aviva in Hebrew.
Nope. It comes from Spanish, from Esperanza, meaning hope, and it is Tikvah in Hebrew.
Shayaleh is from Yeshayahu. (I do know of a boy named Shygetz Aross and called Shaya from the shin yud of shaygetz and the alef of aross).
Chaim Yankel is used in the Chassidishe oilam.
A fire broke out in a plastics plant somewhere in the mountains. The distraught owner was insured, but he desperately needed for the volunteer firefighters to retrieve a sheaf of documents which contained details of his exclusive manufacturing processes.
So, he offered $200,000 to any firefighter who was brave enough to enter his office and retrieve the documents.
No one volunteered – and then suddenly came brave Lybish Vertzberger fin der New Joel volunteer fire department, who happens to be a copy machine repairman in civilian life. He drove his fire engine straight into the mess, put out the fire, and listened carefully as the owner screamed out the description of the papers and told him where to find them.
An hour later, Vertzberger appeared, documents in hand, and practically unscathed except for some soot covering his face, beard and payos. The relieved owner handed him $200,000 in cash in exchange for the documents and asked him what he was planning to do with his money:
The answer was fast in coming: “First from all, also I fix your Xerox machine so you owes me noch $20. Anyway, not to worry because mit der money I open a naye plastics plant in New Joel. Den I getz a few oisvorfen to make a few fires by all myne new competitors a plants so I ken make more reskues like dis!”
what ha[[ened was many years ago there were too many moshe”s, so they took the name moshe and in hebrew with the method of “AT BASH” THEY changed the name moshe in to tzvi
WHAT? LOLOLOLOL! This is really Purim in Teves!
“jphone – he named his grill George too! “
He had boys AND grills?????
For that one I’m afraid you get raked over the coals ;)!
jphone – he named his grill George too!
We forgot a very common one here on YWN.
Thanks – Doba from Tova makes sense.
Onan would be a very uncommon name.
Saddam is common – among balestinians.
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Ah, siz very git you iz lernink git how to write af-Englisch fin mir. Hatzlooche in besires toives fin der new English editor af YWN, Lipa Schmeltzer!
That’s it, i can’t keep fixing all these errors.
Pesha comes from Basya, Rasha and Rashka probably from Rus. Chanzi is Chana, yes. Doba could come from dobry, Russian for good or kind or it could have been made up in memory of a DovBer.
Last time I did that, jphone, I had five premature chicks chirping and screeching in my apartment!
When I started the common names thread I meant kodesh names. If we want to get into secular names we can really have fun.
We have a Gruzini guy in shul named Gamlet (as in Hamlet, of Shakespeare fame). His sister or cousin is registered as Madonna but she uses her Hebrew name Chaya Malka for obvious reasons. I do not think her parents know the source of the name; she probably is named for the singer because they thought the name was nice and it is common in Gruziya and Armenia to choose fancy foreign names for girls.
Ukraine here – same time zone as EY but way north and therefore climate more like NY.
Dubi – probably from Doba. No idea what the origin of the name is but it seems to come from Russia.
In Creedmoor, our 150 quintillion multiple personalities of our dear Admou”r argue among themselves as to when nitel is. To keep order, the Admou”r has long since proclaimed all 1000 nights of the Plutonian calendar year to be nitel.
I come back only when time permits or when there is a really good discussion. Right now, due to legal holidays and impossible weather, time permits. Next week that changes except for motzoei Shabbos bc Shabbos ends so early here.
Recipes for those who can’t cook?
Here is a real money saver:
1) Apply for food stamps under an assumed name.
2) Find a hymishe take out that accepts them for prepared food.
3) Buy a chulent, a kigel, a galle
4) Reheat and eat
Steps 1 and 2 are optional outside of Creedmoorer circles.
In Ukraine and Russia we do nitel next Thursday. Last year I inadvertently did it on the 24th as well and I was told it was not correct to do so.
Tonight is nitel for me as far as work is concerned because unlike the 25th which is not a legal holiday here and the 6th which is not a legal holiday in the Western world, it is a holiday everywhere and I can’t even accomplish much online as I don’t deal with EY or Asia where it might not count for much. Because the streets are crowded with drunks and illegal fireworks I can’t safely get to the beis medrash or any other place where Yidden might be together.
So I am posting away here until the fireworks show which I will watch since I can see it from my balcony and I am hardly joining the celebrations by watching from here :).
The Spinka rebbe is also sitting rather than moisering (how did that become massering – I know everyone says that but maaser is tzedoko not being a stooge)! On the other hand we have Mr D-ek who became a professional moiser and still is getting five years which he won’t enjoy because a stool pigeon gets no respect in the can.
You got it. Those are register numbers from Federal Koilelim in Otisville and Fort Dix. Pls delete the actual numbers now that the cat is out of the bag; they may be back-traceable to the actual yungerleit.
Here are some unusual frum names and not ones to be very proud of:
numbers deleted to protect privacy
Anyone want to guess what they are??????
Wow! A moderator with a triple digit IQ!!!!!
So is Mod 42 a Creedmoorer who claims an IQ of 42 to get SSI :)))))?
Jews have been using a shem kodesh with a shem kinnui at least since Hellenistic times.
Not a time we want to emulate!
It is also only recently when you had such a paper and computer trail that the dual name became a problem for those of us who want to use only our real names. I am in a foreign country where I can call myself what I want except at the bank and airport (and I bank electronically anyway) so that is what I do. My leases are all in my real name; no one cared to look at my passport to find my civil name.
To go back and change my US papers is a headache and I was advised not to bother but rather to do what I indeed do and use AKA in very formal situations or to file a sole proprietorship certificate (civil name dba Hebrew name) so as to be able to accept cheques under my real name (no issue – anyone who pays me in the US does so online to a corporate account).
105? The numbers are getting higher and higher – does this reflect the increasing weight of the newer volunteers – will there ever be a 600 (kilo) moderator?
Jose is Spanish for Yosef and could be registered on some Jews’ papers in Latin America.
A Chabad shaliach in EY whose name is Natan/Nosson, is registered as Natalio on his Argentinian birth certificate (I think he is a BT). Another Natalio I know was born in Tangier and known to me and everyone else as Naftali in daily life. Natalio = male version of Nathalie or Natalia = nitel. Neither one uses his Spanish name, though – one took Naftali legally when he became a US citizen and the other is Natan on his EY documents but never changed his Argentinian documents as it is not easy to do.
Passion – the difference is that among the Moroccans I knew, these French names are all they have unless they took Hebrew names.
My own name is no picnic to pronounce in Russian. If the person I am speaking to over the phone does not understand what I am saying even after I spell my name for them, and it is something informal like a dry cleaning pickup or a call to a repairman, I use the Russian version. It is such a giveaway that the person they are speaking to is Jewish that it hardly matters.
But the worst apocryphal story I heard comes from someone who taught afternoon Hebrew school and supposedly had a girl in her class named Zona. When asked if that was the real name, she said, well, everyone called my grandmother that. I seriously hope this one is made up.
While we are at it, the name Freha, turned into vulgar slang by the medine which wrecked so many Moroccan families, but still used in France, is Arabic for Simha and is therefore the Moroccan version of Fraidel.
The story is told of an extreme meshichist, a real nut who I know to be off center, who named his kid Boruch Haba Melech Hamoshiach. The poor kid is known by an acronym made up of his initials – beis hay mem hay – behema!!!!
I don’t know if this is true but I’ve heard it tens of times.
Rav Adin Steinsaltz (Even-Yisroel)’s eldest son’s nickname is A-Mechaye, made up of parts of his first names. This is true; all mazal tovs posted for him refer to that name. I forget what the names are, probably Avraham Moshe Chaim.
Anyway, back to the thread. Izevel and Hagar (the latter was used ‘davka’ by the extreme left in EY) are very, very uncommon among frum Jews. I think the old leftists used the name Yoravam as well but I am not sure.
I know of an Algerian Jew named C—istian. In this case the name, not very innocently suggested by Catholic mission hospital nurses who duped his parents, had a very bad effect on his neshomo. He owns or owned a treyf lemehadrin seafood restaurant in Yafo :(.
Yiddish has names that crept in from the surroundings. Masha and Maryasha, probably innocently given to name a girl in memory of a Moshe or Menachem, both come from Maria. Knowing the origin I could never under normal circumstances give those names. However, many of my friends have relatives with those names who lived here in the bad old days under conditions of amazing mesirus nefesh (in particular there are 600 descendants of a renowned “Rebbetzin Maryasha” who were born and are frum today because she kept to the Torah all 106 years of her life despite losing her husband at an early age to the KGB), and it would be a dishonor not to name for these neshei chayil because of their origins.
Since the French names are not as old it is easier to go back one or two generations and find the name that should have been used, but still I understand wanting to name for a relative just as the name was. Nevertheless, when I was in Montreal, it was a common occurrence for a girl with a French name to change it and give out cake on Shabbos to celebrate the change.
The Sefardi community does not have any connection with the old Lipa impersonator (well, more like Michoel Schnitzler as far as weight and age are concerned but the clothing is pure Lipa) who wears a red bekeshe. Even I, living in a part of the world where the Lipa impersonator is called Father Frost, did not make the connection between the name Nicole and this season.
The real problematic French name common among Jews is Nathalie which is a reference to krachtzmas and comes from the same Latin root as nitel – again these names entered via communities in the Islamic world where no one thinks of these things.
The Lubavitcher Rebbe ZYA did encourage French speaking BT’s to change their names (he himself lived in France and was aware of the origins of these names). However, naming for a relative is very powerful and it is very understandable why these names are not changed.
But are the Bahiyas named Batya for kodesh the way an American Batya might be known as Beth on paper, or has Bahiya become a kodesh name the way the French names have in Morocco?
Annette is Chana, but there are granddaughters of Annettes who was born at the time the Alliance started in Morocco is called Annette and only Annette even if her parents are very haredi. Especially in EY, people do not even know that the name was French but think it is an authentic Moroccan Jewish first name – which I guess it is once the name is given in memory of someone. My friend’s mother by now probably has (great)grandchildren named Annette for their (great)grandmother as per Sefardi custom. If you saw Rabbanit Annette shopping in Boro Park, the only way you would know she is not a local haimishe bubbe is if you heard her speak French or Arabic, or tried to speak to her in Yiddish.
Messing up should be a CRIMINAL offense for the doctor and civil for the hospital as many types of medical malpractice are in EY.
Recently an FSU trained anesthesiologist whom I would not even trust to trim my next steak got 6 years for ruining someone’s life and she was not on drugs or motivated by money. She is just your typical butcher who trained in the worst of the FSU and was able to buy her passing grades as the Soviet Union was collapsing. (However, the system that let her practice without proper retraining is very much to blame and she did get far too severe a punishment).
Then the worst doctors would weed themselves out and go into medical administration – or malpractice law!
On the general list of 100 NY names, I see (without looking too hard) Chaim, Joel, Yisroel, Menachem, Yehuda, Zion (!), Yaakov..there are probably many more.
Girls – I see Leah (also used by general population now), and Chana way up top. Malka isn’t far behind and I see Elisheva and Fraidy.
Again, I hardly looked.
Ken yirbu! I hope lots of neo-Nzis choke when they see that list.
It is the best answer to the tzoirer as well as to those who said that America is different.
Yosef Yitzchok is more common that Schneur Zalman in Lubavitch. If you want to cause problems in 770, yell out “Mendy, Yossi!” or better yet go to the women’s convention on 22 Shvat and scream (girls only, please) Mushkie! Chanie! The latter will get you arrested for disturbing the peace due to the screeching and chaos which will ensue :)!
In fact I once did hear someone call out “Mendy” to his friend in 770 and half the shul looked up!
Shneur usually is Shneur Zalman, not uncommon at all.
In EY my many friends who are named for the Alter Rebbe (Baal haTanya) or for grandparents who were in turn named for him call themselves Shneur because of a silly and vulgar tzioinish children’s rhyme which mocks the name Zalman (used as a symbol for those who are steadfast to masores avois and don’t change their names or way of dress).
Their US counterparts go by Zalman which is also the favored daily version of the name in this part of the world.
As for Yekusiel, one of the Satmar Admou”rim is named Yekusiel Yehuda but is called Zalman Leib. This is not uncommon at all as he and others who carry this dual name are named for an ancestor of Reb Yoilish ZYA. I see the connection between Yehuda and Leib, but Zalman is probably from Spanish Salomon = Shlomo and I can’t see the connection between Yekusiel and Zalman unless perhaps the name Yekusiel refers to Shlomo haMelech in medrash.
AS for “Sodom,” some of the best hospitals are actually those run outside the system by caring organizations and which accept all patients. Deborah Heart and Lung Center, S Jude’s, the Shriners network etc. And while our Torah Jewish numbers are not enough to support our own hospital, we have our networks which ensure that medical care is paid for (RCCS, ROFEH International, the Syrian model organization, etc, etc etc). What is needed is less government intervention and more incentives for more such hospitals and care organizations to be formed.
Sodom, on the other hand, was the concept of one size fits all, of the tall man being chopped down to fit a medium bed and the short man being stretched in limb only to fit the same bed. That is the left to a T – that and the Chelm moshol I posted earlier. Give people things with no incentive to keep them on your side, take from the working rich and give to the indolent underclass, have a safety net that really is enough only for said underclass to stay under – add to that tolerance, legal support for and glorification of toeva of all kinds, and welcome to The People’s Republic of Sdom.
Levi in NY is davka Jewish, among all Chassidim for Reb Levi Yitzchok meBerditchev ZYA and in Chabad for the father of the Lubavitcher Rebbe ZYA.
I did not add Menachem Mendel to my original list only because the large number of Sefardim in NY might balance out all the Chassidim who use the name. (Sefardi MM’s are usually born in Paris or EY). Not only Chabad – the three MM’s who come to my mind in the entertainment world, for instance, are Chassidim who have no kesher with Chabad as the name goes back to the earliest Chassidsh masters (Kotsk, Vitebsk).
Well the name Nicole Its veryy common in my community (yes orthodox!)
Morocco? Tunisia? Algeria? Egypt? When French culture was introduced to the Jewish communities of North Africa and Egypt, French names for girls became very common and they were the only or main name the girls were known by. In some cases they replaced Judeo-Arabic names such as Massouda (Arabic for Mazal, became Fortunee or ended up spelled Messody).
With the big wave of tshuva BH in Paris, Montreal, and EY, many Nicoles and Annettes and Karines and Nathalies are now true bnot Torah, but they didn’t change their names because they were named for relatives. I know of a very frum from birth Rabbanit in a major Moroccan community whose name is Annette and when I asked her son for his mother’s name as I was going to visit a mokom koidesh, that was the only name he had for her.
BTW Nicole is from Greek, from the word for victory which is familiar to all of us as Nike and was the name of a getschke (not a problem to wear Nike shoes as that getschke is no longer worshipped). It is the female form of Nicolas (Nicholas).
American VIP care is “off the charts,” whereas the level of care provided even in a Kings County or a Bellevue is much, much better than care in the socialized medical world.
I visited patients in the best hospital in Montreal years ago for yom tov and I was shocked by the facilities and the dinginess. (In fact the nicest part of the hospital was the psych unit because it was mainly a recreational environment but I can’t compare it to its counterparts elsewhere as the only other time I ever did bikur cholim on a psych unit was on a unit for patients who had harmed themselves L”A and I was really there for the staff to hear shofar). The Montreal hospital was comparable to Communist era facilities in Moscow, with the difference being that the Montreal hospital had known better days from the pre-socialized era whereas the Moscow facility had sunk into chaos from the lack of any system there at the time (now private insurance is available there and some facilities are improving).
Besides, most of the issues in the public hospitals are created by the lifestyles of the patients that they treat, and these lifestyle issues most notably encompass drugs, alcohol, abusive behavior/crime and arayois.
Thanks Kinor and that is a more plausible namesake for the (Rav) Amram I was thinking of.
I think Shelumiel is definitely the most uncommon male name. Many EY politicians may be referred to by that name but it was not the name given to them at birth!
Almost all of the rest of those names find use among the RZ crowd in EY, especially among American olim and bnei edot hamizrah.
And you are not correct regarding Mexico; many of the hospitals promoting medical tourism have been serving Mexican citizens for decades and continue to do so.
Some foreign hospitals have 2 levels of care provided at 2 different wings of the facility.
We would take a nice Jewish name like Moshe Eliezer, and find a really outrageous secular name for it, like Montgomery Ellsworth.
I know of a BT whose secular registered name is unfortunately Leroy.
Actually, the Satmar community registers very old fashioned names for male children whose names do not have a clear English translation (Yoel is registered as Joel, Avrohom as Abraham, but Eliyahu could be Eugene or Alfred. The generation before has names like Leopold, Harold etc). This was, for some reason, the way Reb Yoilish ZYA wanted it and it reflected Hungarian custom to use a secular name for government matters.