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Of course I can but I would really appreciate if my account were blocked and labeled “disabled” or closed or guest or whatever instead of member. Thanks.
BSD LOL you are right!
Please. They do not care about rescuing Jews and never did. They started most of the anti-Semitism in the Arab world, and we all know what they said about one cow in EY being worth more than the Jews in danger during the Shoah.
They are interested only in secularized, deracinated Jews and those whom they can pass off as Jews so as to stop the trend toward tshuva, as well as to prevent a traditional to charedi Edot haMizrah majority from forming which is what happened until the FSU erev rav flooded EY.
NBN has to work privately with Xian sponsors because the left does not want American olim, and even the right knows that half of them are working abroad while taking advantage of subsidized schools for their children in EY (many of whom end up on Kikar Krack because they don’t fit in).
The French and Argentinians see EY just as a temporary stopgap, on their way to Montreal and Florida (or back to Argentina now that the economy is improving).
That is why they brought over who they brought over. NONE of those FSU shkootzim were or are persecuted as Jews. Many persecuted Jews during Soviet times and are doing the same in EY. They can’t find work here in the FSU so they go to E”Y for welfare designed to make sure they vote for the left that gives them handouts.
I now truly understand why “Zionism and Judaism are diametrically opposed”. However, Zionism is dead, and only the even deader post-Zionism remains.
Any settlement of Jews who are defiling the Land by their disdain for Torah uMitzvos is mitzvah sheba beavera. Any settlement of non Jews who will then marry Jews in EY, and then weakening conversion standards to pass them off as Jews, is tantamount to finishing the work of Hitler yemach shmoi, in artzenu hakedoisha.
At certain concerts, especially of the sort that was canceled, people dance in their seats if not standing. This is best done separate for the sake of tznius if not out and out negia.
I think you might mean “ani lachof veishti la’azazel”!
This is a fun thread; let’s not get into the whole Uman issue here – thanks.August 9, 2010 4:25 pm at 4:25 pm in reply to: Debate via Email with Rabbi A. Kraus of Neturei Karta #693676
Who did he write to? TorahTrueJews or NK? If TTJ still follows Reb Yoilish ZYA’s derech then they are 100% legit.
The response looks very well thought out and perhaps our hesder Nachal Charedi sergeant baited the wrong man. (Kraus is too common a surname to ring a bell; all I know is that no one of that surname went to Iran.)
The NK website is Ku Klutz Karta and not Neturei Karta. It seems to be run by Yisroel Dovid Weiss. They even translate it into Farsi for their buddies in Iran, or at least they did a few days before Purim which is the only time I bother looking at that site.
The real NK of Rav Katzenellenbogen probably do not go online.
The only sane representation of the three oaths based opposition to tzioinus online is indeed TTJ.
The Rebbe Rashab and Rebbe Rayatz were vehemently anti-Zionist.
The Rebbe ZYA did not ever once utter the word medine. His only concern was for the safety of Jews living in EY and for the kedusha of the land. If he had believed that giving up even the Kosel would have saved Jewish lives, that is what he would have advocated. (The Qassams show what giving up land indeed does). He accepted that there was a state simply because it does exist, but he did not support its institutions or consider them holy in any way.
Many relatives of Reb Amram are Lubavitcher Chassidim. mostly of the “Yerushalmi” type.
Elisheva bat Rahel is R”L undergoing a second operation tomorrow. Pls have mi sheberach said for her in shul tomorrow (Monday) and Rosh Chodesh Elul. Tizku lemitzvos!August 8, 2010 11:21 am at 11:21 am in reply to: Debate via Email with Rabbi A. Kraus of Neturei Karta #693670
If R’ Krauss is from the Ku Klutz Karta faction which demonstrates with our enemies, as opposed to being one of the few, largely quiet ones who follows Reb Amram and Rav Katzenellenbogen, he is not worth debating with even though his response is 100% correct (if he is from any of the online NK websites then he is from this faction).
Nevertheless, this Rabin is very disingenuous. He served in Nachal Charedi, yet is blurting out R’ Kook as if he was in hesder.
Elu veelu divrei shtus meisim. Save it for Purim.
Please continue davening for Elisheva bat Rahel and pls have mi sheberach said for her in shul tomorrow (Monday) and Rosh Chodesh Elul. Tizku lemitzvos!
Yes, immigration to anyone with a tenuous connection to Judaism means that EY will in one or two generations have only frum Jews, with most of the frei population being sofek Yidden at best. Epic fail. And from the Altalena to the expulsion in Gaza, we see how much that state cares about Jews, as opposed to “Israelis” who tow its line.
As I made it clear, I follow in the ways of Reb Amram ZYA. I also am a chossid of Chabad, and we do not serve in the Knesset with two very admirable exceptions, true Torah askonim who did not bend when offered money to do so and as a result were never elected again. (R’ Avraham Werdiger, who looked to the Rebbe ZYA for guidance while in Knesset and R’ Eliezer Mizrahi, the latter being my former neighbor’s father and therefore an acquaintance of mine). The whole system is rotten.
And all I have to say is that I hope the many innocent Jews, KAH BH many of them ehrlicher baalei tshuva, in Kiev do not suffer for the actions of the wonderful “Israelis” who were just caught trafficking in organs there. The small community in Budapest sure does suffer thanks to the pushtakim who control every illicit enterprise that infests the otherwise beautiful city.
As for the secularists who emigrated to EY, Argentina was more than willing to welcome them at the time. So was Brazil. They could have had their agricultural utopia there, rather than ruining the ecology of EY for their agriculture, most of which now operates at a loss and is subsidized.
The medine has killed far more than that number of Jews, both physically and spiritually.
What the Zionists, who unlike the old Yishuv did have power, did during the war killed far more than that number. Spiritually, the medine has killed probably 1/3 of its present population.
Those who died with Shma and Ani Maamin on their lips died al kiddush Hashem. Those who sing that song written by a drunkard who died in New York in the soccer stadium Shabbos morning are desecrating Eretz Yisroel. And anyone who touches the political system there past the municipal level is rolling around in the mud of Sodom.
At worst those who advocated stopping the immigration, and who had no power to do so anyway, were guilty of bad judgement. They rightfully feared for their own lives and for their community, and it happened in 1929. There was not exactly an Internet in those days and no one knew how bad things were getting in Europe.
The baryoinim were just plain reshoei amecho. They were not interested in saving lives of anyone other than their band of oisvorfen so that they could impose their alien ideology, a blend of Communism and the ramblings of a Viennese assimilationist who suffered from a brain infection, on the Jewish land and people.
The real fault lies with FDR ymach shmoi (and whoever ran Canada at the time, the name escapes me), who could have stopped both the Shoah and the medine had he allowed refugees into the US. That would also have ended the Depression, as an influx of talented, industrious individuals would have stimulated the economy. And had it happened, the US would not be facing as much of a challenge as it does today from the Far East.
Please continue davening and tehillim and pls have mi sheberach said on Shabbos as well. The operation was very difficult L”A and the outcome is still unsure. Tizku lemitzvos!
1) Sometimes the fault of poor integration lies with the BT himself. I cannot tell you how many I know who still follow various treyfe music or who are into all kinds of New Age garbage. Unfortunately there is no one like Rav Avigdor Miller ZTL or R’ Eli Teitelbaum ZL now who is able to deliver toichecho and break through such klipa beahavas Yisroel.
On the other hand, some BT’s who are not conformist are best advised to go to perfectly halachic “alternative” communities like Breslov where they fit in better and are able to live according to Torah but in their own culture. Nothing wrong with that at all.
2) We need more schools. Plain and simple.
3) Everyone has documentation of some sort in the modern world and it is usually enough to prove there is no mamzerus. Issues regarding conversion usually come out and once it does, the sincere BT is willing to do gerus whereas someone who is not as strong simply drops out at that point. The problem of conversion affects perhaps 5% of potential baalei tshuva, if that. Most products of such conversions could care less about Judaism or are so steeped in the movement that converted their mothers that they would never look at Torah and in this case we can only say B”H.
We cannot leave a single Jew behind. We are leaving 90% of Jews behind. And if we don’t act, Deformed is only too happy to get a few more members for its tembels by offering some feel good program.
BSD Thanks Just Me. The (Rav) Amrom I was thinking of is most probably indeed connected to the Grunwald family and was most probably not named for R’Amrom Bloy ZYA.
notitall – hmmm…maybe because it takes up too much room..
I am very aware of that, Josh.
And it was not shifchas damim.
It was instead pikuach nefesh that would have prevented the 1929 riots. The old yishuv wanted to preserve Jewish life by keeping the baryoinim out and thereby retaining good relations with the Arabs and British. If those baryoinim had been coming to join the old yishuv, it would have been a very different story. Note Reb Amram ZYA’s experiences as head of the land acquisition company as related above.
Philosopher, no, at this point, Moshiach is the only solution. Even Reb Yoilish ZYA made that clear.
However, I do not rule out the world forcing the medine to basically evacuate and turn out the lights. Unless there is a substitute for oil at least for transportation use, or somehow the medine wakes up and becomes Jewish, it is very possible that the world will acquiesce to Islamic demands and sacrifice the medine.
Nor does the US have to have the same kedusha as EY. Besides, refugees from the medine tend to be resourceful and can establish themselves quite well in India and China if need be.
Ah, but Zionism has failed. That is because it negated Torah as the basis for our right to the land.
For all the tough talk, it was based on Jews becoming a people like any other – and any other people could care less about the concept of holiness. True Jewish strength is standing up and proclaiming that Hashem runs the world and we are His am segula whose roots in the Land are strictly from His Torah.
But we are the am segula who are in this world to spread holiness. Therefore, the state is a total repudiation of ratzon Hashem!
And at the end of the day, Hashem Hu Malkenu – Hashem rules the world – and since the state does not realize that it instead looks to the nations not as a leader, but as a little innkeeper wanting to keep his cold little inn on a freezing Polish estate.
In any frum neighborhood, you will see tiny, bent old men, now in their 90’s KAH, who have survived either the Nazis or the Communists or both. And if you speak with them, you will find out that even if they had lost their entire first families during the churban, they rebuilt and are now great grandfathers, in some cases to triple digit numbers of ehrlicher descendants ken yirbu.
These elterer Yidden are the real Jewish heroes. They may now be bent, but they stood up and rebuilt Torah families. The braggart Zionists took our land and turned it into a Sdom of corrupt politics, toeva parades and utter lack of gaon Yaakov.
A600KiloBear is scary? I think it was a trademark I came up with for a promotion I was handling for a group of supermarkets in Moscow. We then had a graphic artist design a much smaller and friendlier bear than I had originally envisioned, but I had a 600KiloBear e-mail and AIM account that remained.
“I say we should just concentrate on being good Jews, Jews with emes and derech eretz.”
The Lubavitcher Rebbe ZYA spoke of a tzaddik in peltz, a Yid who kept himself warm with his own Torah and mitzvos as if he were wearing a fur coat while everyone else was freezing.
He was referring to the attitude expressed in the quote above. I am truly pained to see it expressed by any ben or bas Torah, and the last time I saw it expressed was by someone who himself was mechutz lamachane.
We are the descendants of Avraham Avinu, who kept his tent open at all four sides and who made neshomos for Hashem.
And the Clinton wedding shows what the fate of those whom we have not yet reached often turns out to be.
We cannot be satisfied. We are 10% of world Jewry at best. 10% is an F in every school I ever attended. We should not even be satisfied with a B, let alone an F, when it comes to any aspect of Yiddishkeit.
The problems of poor integration of some BT’s into the community (a very complex problem because we don’t brainwash people and indeed some BT’s are not rebuked when they believe they can reconcile everything from extreme leftist politics to devotion to strange music to soft drug use with Torah chas vesholom) and lack of proper followup by kiruv organizations (true but getting better) does not and never can preclude our obligation to reach out to every Jew, no matter how far he may seem.
Aish Kodesh Gilmore HYD was a Yid who died al kiddush Hashem at the hands of terrorists. His parents said that even Shlomo Carlebach considered Aish Kodesh a very unusual name.
And Carlebach’s own daughter’s name is Neshoma Tehora Sheyarda Leoilam Beerev Shabbos!
I hope to have some good news before I break for Shabbos. Pls continue davening.
No, I stand by my words. The shlimazel, ma yoffis medine, that threw back the nissim of 1967 and cannot wage decisive war or make real peace, is the root cause of anti-Semitism today.
Kiev was hit by anti Semitic vandalism when the shuls in Gaza were dismantled? Why? Because the shkootzim see that Yidden are weak, and they act accordingly.
There is anti-Semitism in Budapest because it is teeming with criminals from E”Y who control every illegal field of business in town as well as semi-legal gambling. I was ashamed to let on that I speak Ivrit, because when I walked where I should not have walked one night, it was the language of ben-Yehuda OLBM that I heard near every casino and worse that I passed.
If the medine would stand up and be Jewish, and would propagate Jewish values, anti-Semites would keep their feelings to themselves out of fear.
But it cannot. A secular state in our eretz hakedoisha is the same as a loaf of bread on the Seder plate.
And without Moshiach there is no legitimate Jewish government in E”Y. “Listim atem” applies to those who live in E”Y without recognizing Who gave us the right to the land, and that secular state is indeed being told “listim atem” by the world – because the state does not serve Hashem but rather cowers in a corner whenever the US State Department tells it what to do.
BSD Tizku lemitzvos! So far no news.
Moderator-80, that one is so corny you need to delete it before Pesach so there won’t be any chashash of kitniois on the site during Chol Hamoied!
bsd very funny Wolf. Your first name is the??/
Incidentally Kalman, written with some mark or another in Ingarisch, is a not uncommon non-Jewish Hungarian first name, though I think it was used more 2 generations ago. I don’t know what it means in Hungarian or if there is any connection to unzerer Kalman, which is a contraction of the Greek Kalonymus (hence Kloynimus Kalman) and that in turn is Greek for Shem-tov.
Feminine of dov as the animal is duba. No one is named that but it was an old nickname for a chubby little girl LOL. I do not know if the Yiddish Doba is a version of Tova (plausible) or made up to commemorate a man whose name was Dov.
But do you know of a female DovBer? And most online bears are male :)!
Correct re the Divrei Chaim. The father of Ari Halberstam HYD is Chananya Sinai Dovid (CheSeD) Halberstam and he is indeed a Sanzer einikel as his surname would suggest.
Bear as a female name is very uncommon, both in the real world and online :)))))))!
“Just tell your boss that Moshiach is calling.”
The name Moshiach is not uncommon among Bukharan and Gruzini Jews. I think, however, that I know who this Moshiach is, unless your boss happened to also be Bukharan.
In my old shul in Moscow, we had a Bukharan mekurav whose name is Moshiach and his father’s name is, well, you can guess.
He often got an aliya both because he was a baal tzedoko and for the entertainment value of seeing how people react to Moshiach ben Dovid getting an aliya in a Chabad shul!
“We will no longer trust other countries to protect us and be forced always to live under foreign rule, since that has led to tragedy after tragedy.”
LOL. Without US support, which is really tolerance that is wearing thin, the medine would not survive. I personally am expecting a flood of refugees from “Israel” the moment the economic bubble breaks and ridiculous real estate prices go back in der erd.
“We have the right to one little place in the world that we can call our own.”
LOL. So long as we don’t call the really important parts of it our own, it is fine and good – and so long as it is a secular, leftist state that is not too Jewish the goyim will tolerate it – barely.
“And we will make our own state there that will be run by Jews and be a safe haven for all Jews everywhere.”
LOL. Which is why more FSU Jews come back to the FSU than go to the medine – unlike the Mizrahim whose homelands became forbidden to them, they have a better place to live and they don’t want to be despised “Russians” when they can be proud Jews in flourishing new communities back home. Instead, you will be left with the 400,000 non Jews, including anti-Semites, missionaries and other fifth columns.
The experiment of Zionism, like that of Communism, is dead. You now have post Zionism, which is really the logical outgrowth of Zionism – where now that the Jews are a nation like any other, they can just as soon give up the land and eat falafel in New York or Amsterdam as “Israelis” who live abroad.
If the Reb Amrams and R’ Yaakov de Haans had prevailed, there may have been a peaceful frum yishuv, and the US would have been forced to accept more displaced persons, to the benefit of all concerned.
Instead, the medine is now THE NUMBER ONE cause of ANTI-SEMITISM throughout the world. And why should the goyim not despise a surrender monkey valueless state in a land that they too consider holy BECAUSE OF US?
Reb Amram ZYA tried to prevent the horrible desecration of kedushas Eretz Yisroel that was perpetrated by the so called Zionist heroes, which includes followers of the extremely secularist Jabotinsky* as well as the leftists of Mapai.
Those heroes then forcibly tore hundreds of thousands of Jews from their Torah roots, learning and values. They turned tehorim into tmeim, proud Jews into deracinated and despised “frenkim” – and the result is seen in the increasingly vicious and internationalized organized crime gangs that stem from E”Y. Surnames of the gedolim of previous generations, preceded by some artificial “Israeli” name like Lior, are often found on police blotters in the US, Europe and beyond.
I have been in Morocco. While life for Jews in golus is never perfect, there was no violence in the modern era against Jews until Zionist agitation caused same. Iraq? The Zionists themselves started riots. Egypt? Lavon affair, anyone.
We were never promised a state by any party. A homeland is not a sovereign state – and the medine is not sovereign in any case, it exists at the whim and direction of the US State Department and is the epitome of the golus ma yoffis Jew, the innkeeper who begs for better terms from his landlord.
I proudly awaken every morning to Reb Amram’s nigun, sung by the son of a victim of Zionist secularization who has returned to Torah. Her name was Bracha Zefira, an orphan from Teiman who was basically stolen from her community by the secular Lemel orphanage. His name is Ariel Zilber and he was once a secular culture hero.
And the secular Lemel orphanage is today the Boyaner yeshiva. It is diagonally opposite from the site of a new Satmar housing development.
That site was the Edison Theatre, where Reb Amram ZYA protested every Shabbos!
Hashem Hu Malkenu! Nelech be’esh ubamayim lekadesh shem Shamayim.
*(Rehavam Zeevi HYD, the rightest of the rightists and the heir of the “olei hagardom”, once predicted that Mea Shearim would disappear. His granddaughter was educated in the Beis Yaakov haYoshon, in Yiddish.)July 25, 2010 10:31 am at 10:31 am in reply to: Where are US Rabbanim in the Fight for Geyur Bill? #690702
The problem is that most FSU shkootzim and shiksas who want to convert in EY do so for social acceptance and marriage. Even here in the FSU we have such problems now because it is “in” to be Jewish, and seemingly legit gerim who do go through the process backslide soon after their marriage to a born Jew.
While I do not accept any state of Israel definition of a Jew as legitimate, and believe we must keep our own sifrei yochsin, this bill is a step in the right direction. We need to make the FSU non-Jews uncomfortable in EY so that they return to an increasingly prosperous FSU.
Instead what is happening is that FSU JEWS find EY unwelcoming, and B”H they come back to their countries of origin and begin living as true Jews (just as many former Israelis end up doing tshuva in EY, Canada, France etc).
Still, EY is supposed to be for Jews, and the FSU erev rav should not feel comfortable or welcome there. They are the descendants of our tormentors and quite a few have been arrested for crimes ranging from typical shikker shkootzim cutting each other up to yes, vandalizing shuls. EY does not need such tuma.
A bishow is a very controlled meeting between a Chassidishe bochur and mydel which I believe takes place in the home of one or the other with parents around.
You talk from politik, you know, like what is the latest fight by your Chassidis.
You talk from der ekonomy, you know, like what is the exchange rate from food stamps to kokosh cake at Tayve’s Hymishe Bakery and how is that comparing to the rate for EBT to cash by Balgayve Butcher Shop and TakeOut.
You talk from current events, like comparing what you hear in der mikve to what she hears in der ezros noshim…
From “A Shiddich Dating Guide far Federal Mesivta Boocherim in Byse Eysov Mydlach” (Ferdheim Press, Fort Dix, NJ).
BS”D Doesn’t Coors still have an OU? Guinness is supervised by the KF of London IIRC although not marked as such, and with the trend towards more hechsherim on more products I am sure more beers will be available with certification.
Besides isnt Maccabee still exported to the US? It shares both a Badatz hechsher and a similar taste with Sano cleaning products but Sano products would look funny at a sholom zochor.
BSD Yes I meant late and not long; it seems longer because we are awake for more of it.
1) No ben Torah should be exposed to the atmosphere of a secular college or the kefira taught there. If it is necessary for parnosso then find a college that accepts credits from yeshiva (or a law school that accepts yeshiva as an undergrad) and take what is necessary and nothing else.
2) Tradtional professions are overcrowded because they have always represented “the easy way out”.
3) I have never suffered for want of a doctor the way I have been inconvenienced for want of a competent plumber. Plumbing and electrical are very lucrative trades, and provide a more than respectable parnosso. What is more, with more and more computerization of heating and cooling systems, a Yiddishe kop is necessary for understanding how to properly maintain and install them especially in the top end of HVAC contracting which is very proftable. Also time for us to have our own mechanics; anyone who has seen the kinds of pictures that goyishe mechanics are known for displaying know what I mean (and the auto mechanics and body shop guys who are refugees from the Zionist paradise or from the FSU and put on yarmulkes to get our business are frankly worse than the non-Jews and are renowned for cheating and lack of skill).
BSD I have taken Imodium before a fast (for its intended use) and found that it helped me fast. However I don’t know if this is a 100% safe medication and what I do know is that its effects last more than one day. Still I’ll probably use it this time as the fast is very long where I am.
If a 600 kilo bear smacks a 70 kilo calf on the head so as to allow for conformance to New Zealand’s laws regarding stunning, can that calf then be schechted and considered kosher?
What about if a calf was born with a hechsher on its forehead? Would said calf meat be kosher even if it were stunned before schechita (regardless if by bear or by hammer)?
If someone were to open an Indian Style Vegan restaurant in Boro Park
with the right hechsher he’d do quite well….
If your HDL (GOOD cholesterol) is too LOW, you can get, over the counter SLO-Niacin (a strong dose of a B vitamin that releases slowly into your system). One glass of red wine before bedtime is also a good thing. These are big helps to raise the good cholesterol level.
Just do not wash down the niacin pill with the wine as I did once before switching to statins. The pain was such that I believed I had a burst appendix which in Moscow at that time was a death sentence, and I literally almost said vidui until I realized what caused the problem.
Yes. Anyone with a history of abusive behavior (actual abuse, not being a child of an abusive home although children of such backgrounds need to be investigated carefully) or who has chas vesholom known to have committed molestation needs to be blacklisted. Marriage does NOT cure these problems.
Usually this behavior manifests itself in the teenage years or earlier – if the kid is the class bully or was suspected of something while serving as a camp counselor etc, it should be a major warning sign.
BSD I was told actually that it is OK al pi halacha for a shadchan to lie about age but I am surprised anyone does it.
So no, as I answered they are not in the same boat – some issues are very important and others are not.
1)Age – huh – any normal shadchan mentions this at the beginning!
2)Health – once the dating gets serious and disclosure should be clear. Some people take daily medication and it means little or nothing – and if you live long enough you’ll end up taking at least 1 RX pill a day anyway. Others L”A have problems that cannot be helped by any presently available treatment or are only partially helped.
3)Regular Home – where is the issue?
4)Regular Boy/Girl coming from home with marital trouble – also probably a known fact if the parents are already divorced. But this needs to be investigated as does any history of abuse. I can’t divulge much but I know of a very sad case of a known person in our world who is the child of abusers and is an abuser himself.
5)Regular Boy/Girl coming from home with Health issues (Boy/Girl don’t have) – depends on the issue. Many health issues that affect parents or have taken a parent at a young age L”A are random. Only real genetic issues are a concern.
6)There are many others that I am sure many of you can think of.
Weight. I always disclose that I weigh 600 kilos before swallowing the poor girl in one gulp. And if she can see my white fur and sharp teeth and claws she runs away anyway.
Seriously: business issues. With more and more white collar criminals getting caught, the parents’ business dealings should be investigated. Not everyone wants a rosh Federal kollel as a shver.
BSD I think it is Machon leHorooh and the local Crown Heights vaad. Call 718-773-3300 to be sure.
Baruch Levine wrote this tune for another Lecha Dodi song, I can’t remember who sings it, I think it was a Yiddish song.
That would be Yisroel Werdyger.
BSD Thanks. A short visit but also note – Maoz Tsur (the traditional tune) is a church tune from what I understand but it is not clear whether it was just a secular tune used for both or what the situation really was.
Oh and I forgot:
Afili Agida zois kefira
Veketz lakol koifrim
Kedishe zu rak Netirye Karta
Yerushalayim Shel HaTachat
Velo yhyeh la shum nachat
Ad shekol rechovayich
Yihyu leMea Sheorim
Beyom hahu sorfim hadegel
Vepachei zevel gam
Im ata lo soref itanu
Ata lo ben adam
The above is a Creedmoorer nigun, composed by Reb Dovid’l Creedmoorer (Schmoigerman) himself to the tzionish Yerushalayim shel Zahav which its author Naomi Shemer confessed to having lifted in part from a Basque song. Since the Basques, like Dovid’l’s Hamas buddies, like to blow things up, he used this tune for his composition despite its tzionish origins.
(leaving out Schlock Rock and Gershon Veroba):
MBD – Yidden, Yidden, Daddy Dear, Ksheyavo HaShalom, Hine Lo Yanum
Lipa – yes, Abi MeLebt. Rumors about Hentelach are just that.
Tzlil VeZemer – a couple are taken from Enrico Macias, a Jewish singer from France. I’m blanking out on which ones because they are old.
Yom Tov Ehrlich – too many to count but the one that comes to mind is the one about the Kol Nidre in Odessa.
90% of koidesh songs from North Africa and the Middle East are set to popular tunes of the 50’s and 60’s that refugees brought with them to the US, EY, etc. The more recent ones are often set to Turkish music.
Reb Aizikel meKalev – Sol Kokos Mar, Golus vi lang bist di.
I just found out that both the Lubavitcher Rebbe ZYA (Nyet Nyet Nikavo) and Yom Tov Ehrlich (heard it too early this morning to remember the words) used the same old Russian folk song for kodesh.
The problem only arises when there is disrespect or when the tune is just too wild. We just don’t have the resources to compose all of our own music, and a respectable arrangement is indeed elevating the profane to kodesh.
A more problematic situation is wedding bands using secular music to announce the chosson and kallah, often unbeknownst to them or their parents.
BSD I am back only until Shushan Purim and only in the umm..relevant sections.
Ahmed, a Hamas terrorist, showed up ready for work at a Tzahal base in Shomron. The soldiers on base were terrified as they attempted to somehow stop him from detonating himself as he had entered when they were eating in the mess hall one Thursday night.
All of a sudden, Getzel, a haredi reservist serving as a mashgiach, started to speak to Ahmed in Yiddish, to the surprise of his fellow soldiers who nearly shot him instead of Ahmed. Then, the terrorist removed his wires, removed his vest and let sappers throw it away, as he took a broom and swept the kitchen, after which he was served a bowl of cholent.
Of course, Getzel was now the hero, and his commanding officer wanted to know what he said:
“Oh, it is quite simple, really. I remember Ahmed when he was a boy, he swept the floors in my uncle’s shlachthoiz (mashcheta) in Geula until they stopped letting Arabs in to work by us. He told me he wanted to join his father who got 71 beautiful brides in Gan Eden when he blew himself up somewhere, so I tell him, listen, my shvigger, she should live long, you know, a long way away from me, now lives with us and believe me, it’s Gehennom, not Gan Eden. And then I ask him, so you want 71 shviggers like your father, that is such a bad Gehennom you can’t even imagine!? So I tell him, Ahmed, take off your jacket, it’s hot, let the soldiers take it and go sweep the floors and I’ll give you a bowl of cholent like my uncle Yossel did every Thursday night, you remember that…..now THAT’S Gan Eden!”