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Perhaps the better question is why did Rabbi Akiva support him and inspire the masses to join him in the failed rebellion. How could the leading daas Torah not have seen in his ruach HaKodesh how many hundreds of thousands would be killed just in Beitar?
The rebellion was clearly a mixture of religious and political aspirations. He reasoned if Hashem could help the Maccabees defeat the Syrian Greeks he can help the rebels fight off Rome. The previous rebellion failed because of disunity and his rebellion will succeed. He had the leading rabbi on his side so the people flocked to his side.I have been struggling with this since moving to modern Beitar
What is the point of this discussion. What does a homiletical discussion of the concept of golus factor into the 4 Amos of halacha? If a Jew wants to be מקיים as many mitzvos as possible, clearly Boro Park is not the destination.
Everyone agrees there is a mitzvah of yishuv Eretz Yisroel. If it is מצוהה חיובית או קיומית, עדיין מצווה. For those who want to live a life of chumros, clearly KJ is not the place one can be מקיים. as many mitzvos.If you ask any child to pick the place on the map one can be closest to Hashem, they would put the finger on Yerushalim and not Golders Green.
In halacha there is lechathila and bedieved. Now is 2025 and not 1933, 1940, 1948. How can living Antwerp be lechathila for everyone? I am not saying it is assur just if everyone who complains about the matzav actually lived here and voted here thinks would be very different. Just think about how much better your olam haba would be if you could do more mitzvos.
I don’t think I am confused.
Golus is defined in Tanach and Gemara as location based. You are speaking Homiletically. You are trying to say that the Geula isn’t complete even though we are living in EY- Shkoyach, My 5 year old knows that too. You are saying that while the chashmonaim lit the menorah they were in golus because there was no Mashiach- Shkoyach again.
This is a pointless conversation about nomenclature. What are you trying to prove?When they ask ציפית לישועה, I will say I moved with my family so I could be there to greet Mashiach. I am so confident that he will come I want to lay the groundwork for him. There are those who come to Israel horizontally and those who come vertically and then there are the holy rollers who will eventually make it.
There are halachik implications to your comment- Do you really believe what you are saying or just trolling? If you do believe it is idolatry and heresy are you ready to act on your halachik chumros. We live in the 4 amos of halacha. heretics dont get buried in Jewish cemeteries. We dont sit shiva for them. If you need to think who is more deserving of shunning, a person who dies defending his brothers and sisters wearing a kippa and tzitziz vs NK who gives support to our enemies, then woe onto you.
There are halachos calling whole groups by the most vile terms as well. Do you live in the 4 amos of halacha or your hashkafik echo chamber.
If you are just bored then there are many leitznim trolls hanging out under bridges. I have funerals to go to today.
Can you specify where golus means anything other than a physical location? Where in Tanach? where in Gemara?
I believe you are confusing halacha and homelitics.Also just to gild the lilly- would you have thought that a liar, adulterer, cheater, menuval, questionable business ethics….(the list is very long) could be the vehicle Hashem uses to bring a yeshuah for Am Yisrael?
We now have 2 examples how a menuval can save the Jews from the Persians. If God chooses to use a menuval to inspire kibutz goliyos you will have hekpidos on Him? Hashem can raise a leader like Moshe or a leader like DBG. You can disagree with God and you can fight history, good luck with that. hashem can redeem us in any way he chooses He gets to be מחשב את הקץ. Not us. Who knows if this is the Geula or not? Time will tell. Just because it does not unfold according to the way we thought it would does not disqualify the experience.I would even go a step further- Denying God CAN bend the rules is much closer to heresy than believing He CAN choose Hertzl or DBG to bring redemption.
(notice I wrote “can” and not “did” for that only time will tell.)Everyone who disagrees with you on this topic is an Apikores? Are you sure it is not a koifer?
Would you be among those who burned the Ramabam’s sefarim or defending him? Every generation has kanayim. Unfortunately, the historical record is not favorable to fanaticism. Would you label someone who quotes from the Moreh a heretic? Someone who asserts that midrash is not literal or historical is outside the frum world?
My point is simple- There are core beliefs and practices that unite us as a community. There are particularities where there can be machlokes but still within the kahal. How one understands the metaphysical / spiritual state of klal yisroel nowadays should be your definition if they can count for a minyan? Do you understand there is no divergence in halachic practice! Are you contemplating a child shouldn’t sit shiva if the tatte is a frum tzioni who never missed a minyan and gave the daf shiur because he believed in their concept of reishis tzmichas geula? That is the halachic implication of an apikores.
For real? You use such a harsh term, perhaps it can be softened a bit? It is so easy to comment anonymously on chat forums without realizing the implications of hurtful speech. I say this with love for klal yisrael, even those I disagree with, they are still welcome at my shabbos tish.Forget about Zionism. It was a political movement that is irrelevant nowadays. What we have is a matzav. While I’ve may disagree as to if the modern State was originally conceived in sin or as a miraculous redemption of our people after the horrors of the Shoah. אלו ואילו. It is irrelevant now. What we have now is a matzav that the majority of affiliated Jews live in Eretz HaKodesh and we need to make it work using the כלים the Aibishte gave us. Our חכמה, בינה, ודעת. We have to make it work because there is no plan B. We need parnassa, security, and for those who wish, to study Torah. In order to accomplish these goals we need to all work together. We need to help one another in the way they need the help. If my wife is stressing out with the kids, my offer to go to mikveh and daven an extra long Maariv is not the help she is looking for at this moment. We all need to defend our country. We all need to be able to work and support large families בכבוד.
As far as galus….it is a location not a mindset. I’m not a big Tanach person but I couldn’t find a place that galus meant anything but a place. Later, much later, in the גולה, the idea was shifted to a metaphysical. Either you are in Eretz HaKodesh or you are in galus. Unfortunately, for many that mindset holds back growth.
As far as Geula… It happens when it happens… I know this is controversial but that has been our experience. I’m sure there were those who challenged Moshe because it was 210 not 400. Since God controls the Geula, He can do it any way he pleases. Chutzpa to not accept the gift of geula. I’m sure there were those who challenged the geula in times of Ezra because those who left the galus were a bunch of intermarried amaratzim. No thank you, that is not how Yeshayu or Yirmiyahu fortold. We were exilied because of sin, how can redemption be by sinners? The majority stayed in Bavel.
There are volumes of chazal, rishonim and modern Rabbanim who wrote exactly how Mashiach will come and how it should be. They calculated exactly 400 years, but God gets to decide וחשב את הקץ. At each previous geula those accepted what was clearly in front of their eyes and those who couldn’t let the dissonance between what they believed the way geula should be to the reality of how it actually transpired.
I don’t know the r right answer, but I’m willing to place my faith in God that he can tinker with the rules and experience the Geula as He intends and not as others would portend from to do. The King makes the rules and his subjects follow. If the king of kings decides to end galus in 1948, He can. If he decides to push it off for another 2000 years, he can as well.
Your worldly calculations are not relevant at the beis din shall maala.
In conclusion: Galus is a physical space. Thinking like a גלותי can be a retarded mindset that limits growth of our communities and mosdosSo a woman is smart enough to be a doctor or a lawyer or judge (Judge Rachel Freier) but cant understand a chakira? Do you believe she does not posses the intellectual capacity to process a diyuk in the Rishonim? 300 years ago no one would approve of Beis Yaakov, yet some how when the time called for it, we reinterpreted tiflus to make it OK. Was the Mechaber commenting on women’s biological intellectual inferiority or was he talking about the illiterate women of his time. Times change and metzios changes. The question is was that a halachik statement that is fixed forever or was it an observation for his times and now clearly the metzios is different. Are you open to considering other approaches or are you trolling for action?
It is difficult for Hareidim to serve until parents can feel their innocent boy can go in Hareidi and emerge Hareidi. For this to happen their needs to be an entire division that is Hareidi. Totally separate from every Taava that seduces children who grew up Hareidi but by the end of their service tragically they diverge from the community. Only then can the State expect people to show up for drafts.
We also see in the Torah, that when there is a group of people whose heart is not invested in fighting side by side with their brothers, they should stay at home and not hurt the national morale.
So in addition to the learning and tehillim perhaps the Hareidi community can think what can they do to lift up the morale. Women in Beitar provide shabbos good for families whose husband’s are off fighting, for example.
At the end of the day everyone wants the same outcome.ותשקטות הארץ ארבעים שנה
Having a rational conversation with someone who rejects metzius for magic is pointless. They believe that mystical forces protect them and give kochos in ways we cant understand and the only way to release those kochos is going to Uman. It is their tefilos on RH in Uman that is actually saving the lives of the soldiers in Gaza and will bring moshiach. How can one argue with people that are so confident in their beliefs? It’s probably better to focus on the 90% of hashkafa we share than the 10% that is clear to them but a mystery to us.
I think a more interesting question is: Is it moral and ethical to have a society where instead of court ordered justice to be handled by the authority , instead the court justifies family honor killing. Is removing an accidental murderer from society a צדק / משפט issue or giving into the יצר הרע desire for vengeance…