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JUST FOLLOW THE IGGOROS MOSHE AND DONT LISTENTO MUSIC AT ALL
ONLY BY WEDDINGS AND A SEUDAS MITZVA
I would greatly appreciate if any of the chochomim here mentioning ribbis and other halachic violations could tell me which Rov holds this and post all the sources
“I completely challenge that; I know many people who have become fully observant in Modern Orthodox communities.
Of course, I hope I didn’t imply that couldn’t happen. I was merely suggesting that if they moved to a community where their current way of living is acceptable, there is a strong likelihood that they will settle into it permanently.
So that the obvious suggestion for a couple like them is the Upper West Side, where many orthodox people eat kosher style outside the house and don’t cover their hair, etc. But if they move to the UWS, they will not be in a community where people are striving to move beyond that. “
You mean as opposed to a community, where you shteig to a black hat, but are free to molest children
Just go to Neve…If you say youre a baalas tshuva they’ll take you in all year round
Dveikus…dont just spout your seminary indoctrination…think about you are saying… Twelve years and your husband taught you so little…Zeh Chaval!!
1) Yes, one should look at oneself.. However, that wasnt the point of this thread. If one buys a car,house, stocks etc… One does an analysis and due diligence of the value of the investment..If thats true with gashmius, all the more so with ruchnius… There needs to be a Vanguard-like evaluation survey of the perspective avreich… Is the prospective shver, wife, Clall Yisroel making a prudent investment..
2) Actually, my experience is radically different. The most motivated ones with good work-study habits really grow. The ones who are there because of social and family pressure feel like they are doing solitary. You are describing guys, who grew up and realized that either they need to get serious or get a real job so they straighten up. That is very laudable and admirable. However, I dont believe these are the ones who become R Elyashiv.
3) You clearly never saw a Chovos Halvovos or Mesilas Yesharim in your life.. Unless you are Toraso Umunuso and are exempt from tefila, (this hasnt existed since the Amoraim), YOU ARE MCHUYIV TO MAKE HISTADLUS…. If you are cursing out Lapid, and protesting cuts the Zionist govt is making in money that the Brisker Rov and others warned not to take in the first place, then you are a lot further from the lofty madreiga you write about then the most pruste working guy in NY…
4) If you bothered to study the Rambam in depth, with the commentaries, you’d find that the shiur of 3 and 9 was according to the generation. In our times most ppl need to work a lot more hours for the basics.. The Rambam was very against healthy able bodied men taking handouts and charity..
“This is so sad. The original post highlights one of the unfortunate aspects of internet life. Anyone, regardless of qualifications, intelligence, level of responsibility etc., can post their personal pet peeves, based on nothing, and be given a forum to express it in.
On the chance than I am right, how sad for an irresponsible poster who in his ignorance derides such a group.
And oh, what becomes of those that are from the percentage that are as the poster describes? They generally fall out and leave kollel, unable to handle its rigors, eventually becoming posters on the internet, with a message of negative view of kollel life!
Additionally, to all of those that harp on the rambam and those that say that one should work while learning (see bais yosef, shach, aruch hashulchan, igros moshe, biur halachah, chofetz chaim in shem olam for a detailed discussion as to its application today, this is not the place for an idealistic debate), why is their kanaus limited to the learners that are not mekayim the being nehneh from their own work (which the chofetz chaim describes as at best midoh tovah) and not to the much larger groups of “earners” that are not mekayim the “aseh torascho kevah” which is, and always has been, the very basic fundamental obligation of every male Jew?
Must be that those type of people either don’t post on the internet of if they do are more controlled and responsible.
How about I ask my husband to take a hidden video of just the guys that disturb him when he is trying to learn.
I think it will be crystal clear to everyone that the harshest critics on CR are actually being kind and understating the problem
GET OFF THE INTERNET
and crack open a Mesillas Yesharim