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ROB -“dear “health”: The more you write comments, the more you expose yourself to ridicule. Just to save your pride, I think I’ll just ignore your opinions and views and regard them as a result of drinking too much havdalah wine.”
Does this mean you’re finally conceding, but you’re using a lame excuse blaming me – because you won’t admit it?
yitzchokm -“That said, there are fundamental differences between us and them about what marriage really is about. We get married for different reasons than they do. We STAY married, sometimes, even when its not going so well, for much different reasons. (I’m not talking about in cases of abuse c”v).
Bringing children into the world and raising a family is our primary reason for getting married. Their primary reason is self-fulfillment (psychologically very selfish).
Big difference.”
Now I’ll grant you there are these type of Goyim, as a matter of fact there are Jews like this too. But since there are at least two types of marriage, ones like you said and ones to have kids – even by Goyim this type exists, -then the therapists are trained in both. So you can go to a Goyishe therapist, but I recommend a Frum one for a few reasons. And one of those reasons is Not because they (Goyishe therapists) will try to ruin a salvagable marriage – like some claim here!
Sam2 -“How is what you endorse not an Issur D’Oraisa of Lo S’chonem?”
Last, but not least. First of all, if you steal something from a Goy – you are Mechuyav to return it. Acc. to the Gedolim that it’s Ossur to make and have a State in Golus – you have to stop this Issur – so “Lo Sechonem” wouldn’t apply.
Second of all, even if there would be an Issur, since making peace by giving up the State would cut down almost all terror and wars – you’d be Mechuyav to give it up because of “V’chai Bohem”!
Avi K -“1. According to Rav Soloveichik almoist all Jews would have assimilated in the national depression following the Holocaust if not for the State.
2. On the contrary, it is a Tora obligation according to Ramban (Sefer HaMitzvot) and according to Rambam (Hilchot Megilla veChanuka 3:1-3) it is at least a very good thing.”
1. To quote you -“He’s a Daas Yochid.” Never would have happenned.
2. No Rishon would hold – to make a State based on Kefira!
Josh31 -“Such Chutzpa against the Jewish People is in effect chutzpa against He who chose the Jewish people.
Blaming Israel for all the problems of the Middle East is the Blood Libel of the 21th Century.”
The ultimate Muchuzafim are the Zionists to create a Medina against Hashem’s will. And they are the cause of a lot of Tzoros that Jews have in this world. And it’s not me saying this, but many Gedolim!
You do believe in Hashem, don’t you?
Avi K -“Health, on the contrary, Turkey’s Jews live in constant fear and must toe the government line.”
All I can say is anyone who doesn’t live in constant fear in Israel, esp. now with the looming threat of war with Iran, is because they are drunk with the Zionist’s Kool-aid!
RationalRose -I’m not even going to copy your Zionist propaganda because it’s been posted here many times before. All I’ll say is -any good that has occurred would have happenned anyway. Either Moshiach would be here already or even if not, there would have been a big growth in Yiddishkeit there.
ROB -“(I am being kind)for the next fifty years (I assume he is young)”
Yes, I am young at heart.
“goes from strength to strength and continues to be the haven for Jews from all over the world , as the rest of the world slowly implodes…..fullfilling the Neviim’s vision of the return to Zion!”
And perhaps your fantasy is just that?!?! The reality could very well be that they attack Iran and Iran turns Israel into a wasteland and then Hashem will gather up all the Jews from Chutz L’aretz. I hope Ch’vs this doesn’t happen, but to pretend that the Medina is the Savior of all our problems -is just drinking the Kool-aid of the Zionists!
Right now, it is a very dangerous time to be in Israel because they might be on the brink of war with a major country.
Whiteberry -“Why not give it back to the.original Caananites?”
And whom might they be – Arabs?
“They have a hard enough time being “moderate” as it is, imagine they were surrounded and pounded by Hamas and the other terror groups and how quickly they would capitulate to any and all demands of jewish destruction if it meant their safety.”
You are so wrapped up with the holy “Medina” that you can’t think out of the box. The Turks would take over the West Bank and Gaza too. The terrorist orgs. would happly dismantle because there is noone to fight for over land. Yes, this is the lies that the Zionists keep saying -“It’s not possible to have peace with the Goyim”. This line shows the hypocrisy -if it’s not possible why did they give them South Lebanon & Gaza & soon they will give them the West Bank? If it’s either us or them -why give up territory without a fight?
“When the hellenist kings ran the show in e’y, did chazal advocate dismantling the kingdom and giving it over to the greeks or the romans?”
Because at that time Chazal were doing the will of G-d. Hashem was still having mercy on us hoping for us to do Teshuva.
The Medina’s creation has nothing to do with G-d’s will. The sooner it’s gone, the better. That is if you believe in G-d. I don’t think a lot of Zionists do!
“You might be “anti medina”, but surely you don’t wish to condemn an entire population of jews to life under the “moderate” turks.”
Wake up to reality. Before WW1, the Goyim and Jews lived quite peacefully without terrorist attacks and having to run to bomb shelters, sealed rooms and needing gas masks.
Josh31 -“Certainly harisus nearim harisus.
Anyone calling for harisus today is in the category of nearim.”
The only ones who are Naarim are ones who think having a Medina based on Kefira is G-d’s will!
apushatayid -“How do you propose the process of dismantling takes place? Once whatever it is that should be dismantled, is dismantled, what will remain? Will something be erected in its place? Is that of no concern, so long as dismantling occurs?”
If you would read all the posts before commenting -you would have understood. Dismantle the Medina by giving it to Turkey.
yitzchokm -“avhaben ‘s correct about the training. Unless the therapists has a ruv on speed dial, there’s little reason to assume that he IS equipped to give advice on a Jewish marriage.”
And why is a Jewish marriage different than a Goyish marriage? Because they keep Taharas Hamishpacha?
Do you believe that Goyim were given Chochma? -I think not.
We find nowadays that lots of people cloak their personal agendas with religion. They have beliefs, but have no logical reason for them -so they resort to pretending that this is what the Torah wants.
Avi K -“BTW, Turkey is already a fascist state.”
Don’t use a word – if you don’t know the meaning. Turkey treats their Jews ok.
Sam -“You would be willing to risk millions of Jewish lives on you (not a major Kabbalist or Posek, but you yourself) being sure that giving Israel to Turkey will bring Mashiach??”
Stop twisting my words. Having Turkey take over right now is No risk to any Jew. The part of Moshiach that I wrote was to answer his Nonsense maybe Turkey will become Islamo-fascist. If anything the reason why these countries are becoming more radical is because the Medina exists. Without the Medina, a lot of these countries would become more democratic.
WIY -“If someone is happy and content being single why take the risk of getting married and risking their life turning to h*ll possibly?”
Because it’s a Chiyuv; and Hashem comes before you.
chill with it -“im a guy currently in Touro and regret it.
1. 7,200 a semester isnt normal(compared to 2500 for brooklyn college)
2. most professors arent competent and do not know how to teach
3. the Deans do nothing to accommodate your sced and always brush you away by telling you to stay another semester.
it also depends what field you are looking into. i hear alot of good things about their accounting department(im a science major)”
One more point, if you believe all the things you wrote and I’m assuming you’re not lying when you say -“im a guy currently in Touro”, – why are you still there?
It’s not a prison, as soon as the semester is over -you should be going to another school. Touro will send the transcripts to them providing that you kept the terms of enrollment.
ROB -“Right now, the Turkish governement is going through the same convusions as Iran did a generation ago and it may only be a matter of time before it ,too, becomes, an Islamic republic. If you don’t beliive me, read some of the commentators on the present political situation of Turkey.”
But right now Turkey is a Modern Muslim country. Stop with the What-if scenarios. If we do our part and get Rid of the Medina and for some reason Turkey becomes another Islamic fascist State, then I’m sure Hashem will do his part and bring Moshiach.
Avi K -“The solution is for frum Jews to make aliya and vote for change.”
How many times can you repeat the same nonsense?
There aren’t enough Frum Jews in the world right now to make a difference.
ROB -“As has been said ad nauseum, now that there is a medinah ,it would be absolutely outrageous to wish for its destruction. This is like asking for a third churban- chas vechollilo, with all its catastrophic results for six million jews.”
Noone here is wishing for it’s destruction, just the dismantling.
Everytime s/o says something against the holy “Medina” -all the Zionists come out of the woodwork screaming “Wolf”!
This ploy doesn’t fool me, but unfortunately it fools a lot of others.
And Ch’vs that the Medina goes ahead and dismantles the Yeshivos -Hashem might stop protecting the Jews there from their enemies!
Avi K -“Health, and you are motzi laaz on every soldier who davens for Hashem’s help.As for kol isha, we went through this before. There are heterim.”
Even if some have Heterim -how could you force your Heter on others? Secondly even if there are Heterim -it wouldn’t apply in the IDF because the Kol Isha brings to Kurva.
“What is the hetewr for someone who can to refuse to defend Am Yisrael?”
Not only don’t you need a Heter to go to the IDF, acc. to the Gedolim it’s “Yahrog V’al Yavor” to go!
Sam – I’m assuming e/o gets all parts wet directly from the shower, but what about the feet? Is standing in the wet shower good enough – if the shower doesn’t directly touch the bottom of your feet?
MP -Yes, it’s possible to have that in marriage, but just because you do -doesn’t mean it will last forever. My didn’t. When others get involved in the marriage, even a great marriage can dissolve.
We pray everyday “Al Tovoh L’dey Nisayon”. And there is a reason for this -noone knows what tests we will pass and which ones we won’t.
The only question to ask the ones who destroy/ed people’s marriages is -“Mah Yisron L’baal Haloshon?”
ROB -“so, please save us the view of benevolent, “nice’ moslems and the delusional idea that life under moslem rule would be idyllic!”
It would be – under Turkey. You don’t need to have every Muslim country ruling over us, just one.
And guess what? – When there is no Medina anymore, just individuals who don’t keep the Torah, it’s very likely Hashem will have mercy on us and bring Moshiach.
The Medina is like a thorn in his eye.
Avi K -“Nanny, not good to frum Jews? What about alll of the money given to yeshivot and kollelim?”
And this point is why many Yeshivos/Kollelim don’t take from the Medina. So the Zionists can’t say -“you owe us”. But you notice they didn’t exempt these Yeshivos from the draft that they are now instituting on the Bochurim/Yungerleit.
The words of the Brisker Rov zt’l have been proven true.
The story was s/o came to him way at the begining of the Medina and asked if Yeshivos can take money from the Medina. He took out a golden chain & broke it in half. He said -“Just like I broke this chain, if you take money from them they will break the Yeshivos”.
They had the “Status Quo” since the begining of the State, not to draft guys in Yeshivos and see what they are doing now.
Avi K -“What about all of the aveirot one can do anywhere? What about businessman who calls himself “self-made”.”
Your delusions are comical. Yes, anyone can go to Goyishe concerts and be Oiver on Kol Isha, but Frum Jews don’t go to them. OTOH, Frum Jews are forced to be Oiver on Kol Isha in the IDF! And this is just the tip of the iceberg.
And your comment about businessmen is being Motzay Laz on every businessman. There are many Goyishe businessmen who are on the up & up, Kal V’chomer how many Frum businessmen are Ehrlich!
Stop spreading lies just to defend the Medina & the IDF.
Sam – Pins on you. I posted before yours was up.
vochindik – I agree. I think it’s only for a Naarah.
sweetie613 -“Does anyone know how it is regarding medicine-becoming a doctor?”
They have PA programs and a few Med schools. People go to the basic courses there so it should give them an “in” to their final degree programs.
The same idea that people go to YU in order to get into Albert Einstein grad school.
Sam2 -“Health: The Mitzvah of Yishuv Ha’aretz exists no matter what type of government there is. It existed under Roman, Christian, Muslim and British rule, even if we couldn’t do it then. And it applies now. The Medinah is Lo Ma’aleh V’lo Morid on whether there’s a Mitzvah to live in Eretz Yisrael.”
Either you’re nitpicking or you really misunderstood me. I thought it was obvious when I wrote “Yishuv Ha’aretz” in response to him – that I was talking about the whole nine yards, not just “Yishuv Ha’aretz” as a stand alone!
Techina -“however why do people quote sefarim written in relatively recent times, without going back to the Chumash itself and see how Joshua reclaimed the land, how David fought for his people etc. We can all quote the rabbonim we specifically follow but why do people place rabbinical political ideology before Torah? There are differences between what is d’raita and what is d’rabbanan for a reason.”
Go away from Nach and go back to the five books of Moses. I’m not going into all the Aveirahs that a person can end up doing in the IDF -I want to mention right now the Chumash since you mentioned Tenach. The Chumash talks about how bad it is to be “Koach V’oizem Yodi…” and this is exactly how the Israelis and their IDF think. They think Might means Right.
chill with it -“im a guy currently in Touro and regret it.
1. 7,200 a semester isnt normal(compared to 2500 for brooklyn college)”
If going to another college will affect your Ruchneyus -who cares how much they charge?
“it also depends what field you are looking into. i hear alot of good things about their accounting department(im a science major)”
As far as Science is concerned, if you go into one of their Health science programs -these are much better academically wise than just a plain AAS or BS in general science.
musicaldignity – It definitely depends on which Touro school and on which career path. This is one issue.
There is also another issue of a Frum single girl going to coed
college. I can definitely see this as a problem.
IMHO, if it’s possible to get a career without going to coed college -then this is definitely preferable. I’m not a Poisek, but in this situation going to a coed college, even a different Touro one, you would possibly be Oiver two things – 1. mingling, 2. Not listening to your parents.
Avi K -“How many times do I have to post that it is an obligation to establish a state in EY and go to war if necessary to conquer it (Ramban Sefer HaMitzvot)? As for the government, with all its faults it has the support of the people and this gives it the din of melech according to Rav Kook and all those who follow him.”
First of all, you’re the one that’s always screaming about the Satmar Rebbe zt’l -“Daas Yochid” -so how many other Rishonim hold like this Ramban?
Second of all, Rabbi Kook is also a Daas Yochid; most Gedolim were against making a Medina.
And the fact that you keep saying that there is a Mitzva of Yishuv Haaretz nowadays and that this applies even to this Medina is Krum! The Rishonim that hold this would turn over in their graves if they knew people like you were applying their words to a Medina based on Kefira!!!
Gut Voch -“And it cannot be solved by abolishing the Medinah because due to the behavior of the Zionists over the past 50 years the Arabs now hate our guts and want to kill us all, which makes giving the Medinah to the Arabs a terrible idea.”
This I agree with, but it still can be given to other Muslim countries like Turkey -who don’t hate Jews that much that they want to destroy them. All Goyim hate Jews, though.
And they didn’t even hate the Zionists until very recently, when Israel decided to attack their ship.
tahini -“The Satmar Rebbe describes the hate towards Israel today, whom does he blame for the hatred that has existed for the last few thousand years, were the zionists to blame for pogroms, for the Chomnetzki massascre, for the blood libels?”
E/o knows that the hatred was for many years beforehand.
Haven’t you heard of Eisev Sonai L’yaacov?
Did you ever hear of the expression -“fan the flames of hate?”
This is what the Satmar Rebbe zt’l meant – that the Zionists added a lot of fuel to the fire!
Wake up and smell the coffee. Thr Rebbe’s insight is 100% true.
Curiosity -“As for you Health, you say the only thing that makes NK wrong is their willingness to meet with the enemy. If you think their hashkafas are okay, then yes, I have serious doubts about you. That doesn’t equal hatred, but if that’s how you need to misinterpret what I say in order to demonize me then you go right ahead.”
You just admitted that you believe anyone who is totally against the Medina falls into the category of NK. Now why would you do that? I’m not the one demonizing you – you are actually doing that to me because you don’t like my political views -so you marginalized me by lumping me together with NK.
avhaben -“I asked, and no one can answer, specifically what are marriage therapists “trained” on? What field of medicine? How is that medicine better equipped to resolve the quarreling of two individuals? How is quarreling a matter of medicine as opposed to, say, human interaction as G-d wishes human beings to interact with each other — that, presumably, a man of G-d would be best equipped to address. How is it a matter of medicine? And what kind of “medicine”, exactly? How does said medicine resolve the quarreling?
And how does the therapists “training” equip him to resolve marital disputes? What, precisely, was he “trained”, that qualifies him to resolve disputes between two parties?”
Your post is Not your fault. You are totally secluded from the Goyishe world. (Except of course that you decided it’s okay to be on the Net.)
Hashem gave Chochma to Goyim and one of these Chochmos is Psychology. It would be a waste of time to try to explain how therapists help you. You first have to believe that Hashem gave Chochma to Goyim and I don’t know if you do.
If you come to them to help save your marriage, even a Goy, it would be unethical of them to destroy it. And most professionals are competent and ethical.
If these questions you wrote are because you really want to know the answers – then since you’re on the Net anyway -there are many professional sites about Psych you can go to.
I’ve posted many times about giving Mussar here also. How do some Rabbonim/RY’s help you? Let’s say you go to them for marital help and there is a problem with one of the spouses and it needs change. So how do most Rabbonim/RY’s try to change you or the spouse? By giving Mussar. From what I’ve seen is that they give negative Mussar, not all, but most. And I’ve posted in other topics, from the Kedushas Levy, that giving negative Mussar is actually Ossur to do. The only Mussar that is allowed directly to an individual is postive Mussar.
So let me ask you something -how are you allowed to go to Rabbonim/RY’s for therapy when most only give negative Mussar which is Ossur to give?!?!
Josh31 -“The Anti-Zionists are much more interested in bashing Israel than in being good citizens.
I am sure that the Ayatollahs in Iran are willing to pay good money to these Anti-Zionists to continue to spew their hate. Health’s writings alone in this coffee room are probably worth a few hundred thousand dollars to the Ayatollahs.”
Your lack of understanding about Judaism is why you constantly bash people against the Medina. You are much more interested in being a good citizen than a good Jew.
Do you believe that Hashem runs the world? Do you believe that Hashem can stop our enemies, including the Ayatollahs from harming us? Or do you believe in “Koach V’oizem Yodi”?
Do you believe that if you constantly rebel against Hashem by not following his Torah and constantly attacking those that keep his Torah -that perhaps he’ll stop protecting us?
The Medina is Not our Savior, Hashem is. So stop defending the Zionists and attacking the ones in this world who want to keep the Torah. Maybe better go convince your Zionist friends that forcing Jews learning Torah into the army is Not a good idea.
Even if they don’t keep the Torah themselves, this learning provides even them with protection. So by trying to destroy the Yeshivos – they are actually commiting Suicide!
Avi K – “The point is that you are making the Zionists (who are among the victims)scapegoats for the crimes of our enemies. This is the same tactic used by Holocaust deniers/explaners.”
You’re very naive. Read the above paragraph from the Satmar Rebbe Zt’l.
ROB -“and methinks that the nations did not need much encouragement to persecute the jews…see crusades, inquistion, pogroms….”
This is true, but having a State in Israel made their hatred much worse!
Quoted from the Satmar Rebbe on the other post:
“However, it is clear as day to anyone who can perceive truth that the source of all suffering, including the dangers of war, is the outcome of the existence of that Zionist state, that is of no value or benefit either to G-d or to the Jewish People. On the contrary, that State is the cause of all suffering and destruction, uprooting of religion and the Torah. The Zionist government is the one who ignited the anger of the Arabs by provoking them in various ways, and were it not for the stubbornness of these wicked rulers there would not be the danger of war.”
ROB -“good luck, health ,in trying to convince six million jews in eretz yisroel.”
I post my ideology here in a public forum. It’s Not my duty to convince anyone more than what I’m doing already.
And if most of those 6 million were interested in doing the Rozon of Hashem – there wouldn’t be a Frei Gov. there!
And as each day passes – this Gov. is getting more and more Anti- religious Judaism. Look how they want to stop people from learning Torah by forcing almost e/o into the army!
Curiosity -“They’re actively trying to get my entire family and all of my friends in Israel killed by Jew-hating Arabs. So, can you blame me? Neturei Karta are rodfim, and it’s not because they shake hands with Arabs. They’re chayav misa, and have no chelek leolam haba. That’s not my opinion saying it. I was told this by a Rosh Yeshiva, an adam Gadol, a tremendous talmid chacham, who was one of the top talmidim to ever come out of a prominent Litvish Yeshiva in NY. He was also a very close talmid of a recently niftar Gadol Hador.”
And who ever argued about this? Get off your soap box!
“I don’t hold of the political medina, but I hold even less of those who think we can just say “sorry” and leave without people dying. At least the politicians in charge there are realistic. I don’t hate you personally because I don’t know how actively you protest against Israel and proactively pursue actions that will get millions of Jews killed, but i do hate Neturei Karta. It’s not sinas chinom talking on my end, but I have serious doubts about you.”
First you say you don’t hate me, but then you say you have serious doubts about me. Your previous post also lumped me with the NK. You talk from both sides of your mouth. Yes, these comments are based on your Sinas Chinum, because why wouldn’t you Dan me L’caf Zecus?
Because you’re so riled up with the politics here – you decided you can hate anyone who doesn’t see eye to eye with your political beliefs.
Feif Un -“Health: Someone did say the 3 shavuos don’t apply. R’ Meir Simcha was quoted as having said that.”
And I posted -“The Satmar Rebbe zt’l said it’s Ossur, so until you find me a Poisek on his caliber in our generation that says differently – how could you argue on him?”
Noone that you mentioned fall into this category. Note “caliber” and “in our generation”!”
He isn’t from our generation.
“As for the mizrachi camp, why can’t it be someone from there? What if I ask you to quote someone who says the 3 shavuos are still in effect, just not from the Satmar camp?”
That person from the mizrachi camp would be good for s/o like you who is MO, but a guy like “curiousity” who claims he is from the Yeshiva camp hasn’t brought down anyone nowadays who says the Shavous don’t apply.
Curiosity -“The issur to have a tattoo goes on the actual action of tattooing. Once you have the tattoo you have no chiyuv to remove it mitzad the issur of kaakua. A nazzir swears off drinking wine, but if you cut him open and put wine in his stomach, he isn’t over an aveira. If he drinks it, he doednt need to vomit it out. So too the shvua prohibiting establishing a state goes only on the process of establishment. Once it’s established you need not remove it, it’s irrelevant to the shvua. Especially if it will get ppl killed in the process. The Satmar Rebbe’s psak is irrelevant now and if you push for it you will get 7 million Jews killed. Someone who pushes for the disestablishment of the state of Israel is considered a rodef and is chayav misa as such.”
Now you have become a Poisek. How about naming s/o who says the Shavous are irrevelant after the establishment of the State?
Quote from the Satmar Rebbe from the previos page:
“Every single moment that they hold on to their State and government they are reviling G-d in their violation of the Three Oaths through their provocation and rebellion against the Nations,”
So he seems to disagree with you, but I guess you know better.
And btw, if you even know the Halachos of Rodef, if they give the State to a country like Turkey and the international community guarantees the civil rights of Jews -there will no bloodshed.
OTOH, continuing with the Zionist regime -there will probably be more terrorist attacks and wars with subsequent casualties.
Curiosity -“While Health and the Neturei Katra feel we should be moche to the point of “machoh timcheh et zecher” haZionists, the majority of us feel that this is uncalled for and has no practical toeles. I know Health is going to bash me for including him in the NK camp”
This post proves why it’s not a good idea to be in the middle. While there are Gedolim who have your Shitta, they haven’t fallen into the trap of Sinas Chinum, like you have. I don’t know how old you are and I don’t know if you’re being honest and that you really aren’t a closet Zionist, but you certainly don’t even begin to understand the prob with NK. You think that their prob is calling out the Zionists publically. No, you couldn’t be further from the truth. Many Gedolim share their disdain towards the Medina. The prob with NK is that they demonstrate and meet with Islamic fascists. There is no excuse to join up with Reshayim, even if it’s for the best cause in the world.
It’s sad when Frum people like you hate guys like me more than people who are constantly rebeling against G-d, like the Zionists!
ROB -“I see that no one was able to contradict my words about igeres teiman and the ramban in sefer hamitzvos. Interesting, when one actually provides real sources…the detractors of eretz yisroel fall silent”
The reason I didn’t post on this – is because it doesn’t make a difference. Even if they hold it’s a Mitzva to have a Yishuv and/or Jewish gov., not in a million years would they consent to the Zionist gov. We don’t even know what it means to be a Rishon, but one thing I can tell you – none of them would ever agree to having a Gov. in EY based on Kefira!
Avi K -“Health, Rav Chaim Vital, Rav Meir Simcha and Rav Soloveichik say that they are no longer in force either because they wer only for 1,000 years or because the San Remo Conference revoked them or because Hashem has called. See also Shir HaShirim Rabba, 2[7]1that persecuting us “too much” (e.g. the Crusades, which started approximately 1,000 years after the Churban as well as the Chmielnitzky massacres and the Holocaust)brings on the end of days. As for making the Medina the scapegoat for all of the world’s ills, we all know who were the newspaper editors who used that against the Jewish people.”
How could you ever be taken seiously when all you do is post the same old -same old? How about addressing my point from above?
“The Satmar Rebbe zt’l said it’s Ossur, so until you find me a Poisek on his caliber in our generation that says differently – how could you argue on him?”
Noone that you mentioned fall into this category. Note “caliber” and “in our generation”!
RebRY -“Health, I have been reading your posts , It is nice to see someone who does not call themselves Satmar who has not fallen in to the trap of Zionism. Keep up the good work!!!!”
TY!
Josh31 -“The Islamic fanatics are murderous because of their own inherent evil.”
And who says not?
“How dare you blame the Zionists for the deliberate evil of the Islamic fanatics.”
Did you ever hear of “two wrongs don’t make a right”?
I blame the Zionists for them causing Hashem to release his fury on Yidden through the Muslims.
“Are you going to defend these murderers in the Heavenly Court?”
No. And I won’t defend Zionists either!
Curiosity -“Health why are you assuming that just because nobody explicitly and publicly argues with the Satmarer Rebbe that they all agree to him, and that therefore we should all follow his psak? Maybe it’s because his sheeta isn’t the pashut pshat, or maybe it’s because of a million and one other reasons? I’m personally neither Chassidish nor Ashkenaz, and I don’t follow any of the Satmarer Rebbe’s teachings or any other Chassidish Rebbe for that matter. If you want to follow your Rebbes that’s fine and dandy, but you have absolutely no right to call Jews who follow different sheetos liars and deceivers.”
This is the deception, not what you said. I’m not assuming that they hold that the 3 Shavous are Halacha, but just because they want to work with the Treif Medina doesn’t mean that they don’t think it’s a problem. As a matter of fact, I’m still waiting for s/o to say – Rav so & so holds or told me that the 3 Shavous don’t apply nowadays. And this Rav should be s/o who’s not from the Mizrachi camp.