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November 20, 2018 2:21 pm at 2:21 pm in reply to: Did Dell Bigtree change your perspective about anti vaxxers? #1626965
Anon – Yes, I agree that is what it said, but I think the question was regarding vaccinations.
So until I speak to them – I’ll let it go.
“Reb Chaim holds we don’t need to vax, and schools must accept non-vaxxers are being ignored.
Reb Shmuel is also a pretty big Gadol. Or is that only when we agree with him?!?”
I agree that they are Gedolim, but when it comes to Halachah – e/o must follow the Poisek Hador – Namely Rav Shternbach!
Go look up his letter regarding vaccines.
Btw, do you only wear an Up-hat, like Rav Chaim?!?
truthishidden – So what was written on the death certificate? I highly doubt it was the actual virus.November 20, 2018 1:18 am at 1:18 am in reply to: Did Dell Bigtree change your perspective about anti vaxxers? #1626471
Anon -“Let’s be clear: Almost no Gedolim or Rabonim came out wither way. No major names at least. ”
Why do you Anti-vaxxers always lie?!? I guess these people aren’t Gedolim or Rabbonim in your eyes! “Havana Harav Yitzchak Zilberstein, Hagaon HaRav Shimon Ba’adani, Hagaon HaRav Sriel Rosenberg, Hagaon HaRav Moshe Shaul Klein and Hagaon HaRav Menachem Mendel Lubin.”
Some people think it has to be my way or the highway.
You’re not fooling anybody, but yourself!November 19, 2018 5:56 pm at 5:56 pm in reply to: Did Dell Bigtree change your perspective about anti vaxxers? #1626295
Joe -“I posted a letter signed by Rav Malkiel, Rav Salomon, Rav Shmuel Kaminetzky, Rav Aharon Schechter”
Those Rabbonim (more like Rosh Yeshivos) are the ones people go to for Eitzas. They aren’t known as Gedolay Psak Halachah.
Here is the Psak – the Gedolim in our generaion came out with:
“Whoever isn’t vaccinated is a murderer” – so reads a Kol Koreh signed by leading Gedolim and Poskim in Eretz Yisroel.November 19, 2018 11:32 am at 11:32 am in reply to: Did Dell Bigtree change your perspective about anti vaxxers? #1626062
Haimy -“Which Rabbonim have called them rodfim?”
Here they are:
From YWN News:
“Whoever isn’t vaccinated is a murderer” – so reads a Kol Koreh signed by leading Gedolim and Poskim in Eretz Yisroel.
The Gedolim who signed the Kol Koreh include: Hagaon HaRav Yitzchak Zilberstein, Hagaon HaRav Shimon Ba’adani, Hagaon HaRav Sriel Rosenberg, Hagaon HaRav Moshe Shaul Klein and Hagaon HaRav Menachem Mendel Lubin”
“Why does it need to be in writing?”
Because if he thinks he has the Playtzus to argue with these Gedolim – it has to be in writing!
I doubt he even knows that Gedolim weighed in on the Shaila.November 18, 2018 9:29 pm at 9:29 pm in reply to: Did Dell Bigtree change your perspective about anti vaxxers? #1625778
Uncle Ben -“Health; So why should one suffer from the side effects if there are in many cases natural alternatives that do not have such potentially serious side effects?”
Who says I’m against natural alternatives? The facts are they haven’t been proven to be safe.
My main issue is effectiveness! If I think it might work, I’ll take it myself and recommend it to others.
There’s a reason they discovered modern medicine, because ancient medicine has been around for thousands of years. If it worked, you wouldn’t need Modern Medicine!
Trust in Hashem -“For those who do not vaccinate, there are Gedolim who say taking a vaccination is Assur al pi Halacha and does not constitute hishtadlus but rather borders the terrible belief of “Kochi Viotzem Yadi”.”
Name one! I heard of Rabbis saying that you don’t have to, but to say it’s Osser – you are sadly Mistaken.November 18, 2018 3:13 pm at 3:13 pm in reply to: Did Dell Bigtree change your perspective about anti vaxxers? #1625564
Wolf -so large that the benefits far outweigh the risks.
That is what medicine is ALL about! When I look up a drug, I never found one with NO Side effects!
Crone – “P.S. Yes I care more about my kids, don’t you?”
No, you don’t! Because you Don’t VACCINATE!!!
From previous – Measles vax prevents childhood death approximately .1 – .3%.
You care only about yourself, NOT about your and e/o else’s kids!
2scents -“So now the argument against vaccines uses medical research by doctors and pharmaceutical companies?”
You don’t understand the MO of the Anti-vaxxers! They always thought that they are the real practicers of medicine. Like Dr. Roberts said don’t bother arguing with them – it’s a waste of Time!
Crone -“Measles, for those of us old enough to remember, was a nuisance, but not life threatening”
Stop with your lying! I do believe your statistics. I did some research on your post.
Your post is what all the Anti-vaxxers say to defend themselves!
I did the research to show the fallacy in the Anti-vaxxer Cult.
When I say I believe your statistics – I’m going to prove that you & the rest of the Anti-vaxxers are wrong.
Maybe someone else will disprove the articles.
Cancer causes death usually around 60-70’s.
Cancer deaths in childhood aren’t caused by the things in your post.
So therefore kids should get the MMR. According to Real statistics, eg. Measles vax prevents childhood death approximately .1 – .3%.
So the bottom line is – do you care only about yourself or do you care about your and e/o else’s kids?!?
akuperma – That is similar to a poster on Lakewood Scoop. He wrote if the schools would kick out the Anti-vaxxers – there wouldn’t be the issue, in our generation, of rejection letters!
chan56 -“would be unethical to do a double blind study, because then the unvaccinated children would be unprotected.”
Are you KIDDING?!? The whole Anti-vaxx movement believes YOU SHOULD NEVER TAKE VACCINES!!!
Gold – “Matheson Plotkin”
I did, just now. SO WHAT’S YOUR POINT? Are you another anti-vaxxer, but too afraid to come out and say it?!?
chan56 -“Again chutzpah–who are “these people” anyway? Your neighbors, friends, and other ehrliche people in the community.”
The Only CHUTZPAH is coming from the Anti-vaxxers!!!
Btw, they aren’t My neighbors, or friends.
And they definitely aren’t EHRLICH!
From YWN News:
“Whoever isn’t vaccinated is a murderer” – so reads a Kol Koreh signed by leading Gedolim and Poskim in Eretz Yisroel.
sariray -“Yes, profit is a good motivator to lie to the public”
I agree! Are you making Profit when you sell your Alternative Meds Stuff?!?
“The omitted data suggested that African American males who received the MMR vaccine before age 36 months were at increased risk for autism. ”
The lies keep coming! Was it a double-bind study?
“Statins don’t heal high blood pressure ”
They aren’t meant to!!!!
Why don’t you get one of those pill books?!?
They sell them in Walmart, B&N, Etc.
adocs -“Please explain the tremendous drop in the incidence of the diseases (to which vaccinations are available) after those vaccinations became available and began to be widely used.”
It’s a waste of time to argue with these people.
Like Doc Roberts posted on the Lakewood scoop.
chan56 – YOU ANTI-VAXXERS NEVER STOP WITH YOUR LIES! No wonder there is an epidemic in the Frum communities.
“This is a link to a study that just came out linking aluminum in vaccines to bizarre behavior in sheep”
It’s IRONIC that you brought a study using sheep. Because the Anti-vaxx movement think like SHEEP!
From the CDC:
“Adjuvants have been used safely in vaccines for decades.
Aluminum salts, such as aluminum hydroxide, aluminum phosphate, and aluminum potassium sulfate have been used safely in vaccines for more than 70 years. Aluminum salts were initially used in the 1930s, 1940s, and 1950s with diphtheria and tetanus vaccines after it was found they strengthened the body’s immune response to these vaccines.
Newer adjuvants have been developed to target specific components of the body’s immune response, so that protection against disease is stronger and lasts longer.
In all cases, vaccines containing adjuvants are tested for safety and effectiveness in clinical trials before they are licensed for use in the United States, and they are continuously monitored by CDC and FDA once they are approved.”
Haimy -“indicates that high baseline vaccination coverage in the general community was probably effective against further spread of measles.”
That’s because those Goyim vaccinate, not like the Anti-vaxxers in our communities!
This is called herd immunity.
tpss -“I wonder the the vaccinations are really working.”
They work, but not alone. You also need herd immunity.
Ubiq -“Our discussion is whether avoiding that phrase that phrase is justifiable.”
That’s exactly my point – in NO Way is it even Remotely JUSTIFIABLE!!!
“I pointed out that 1) some find it offensive 2) IT accomplishes nothing and 3) It can potentially alienate allies”
1) WHO CARES? Probably the same guys who were giving out candies when the Twin Towers were destroyed!
2) It accomplishes that in No Way – we will tolerate Terrorism – even if it’s part of your Religion.
3) Sorry! Our ally is Israel, NOT Iran or Syria!
Haimy -“there’s plenty of herd immunity without them.”
No, there isn’t! That’s why there is an epdemic in the Frum communities, not everwhere.
“Even if Chas Veshalom a vaccinated person catches a sickness, it would be a much milder case & non life threatening or something of permanence.”
Unfortunately, vaxxed peoples’ immunity doesn’t last Forever. That’s why we NEED Herd Immunity.
“Calling these people Rotzchim & other nasty names points to a state of paranoia that some people are experiencing right now.”
The truth hurts doesn’t it?!?
“Talking & texting is much more unsafe than the unvaxxed child in school, yet almost everyone does it.”
SPEAK for YOURSELF! I don’t.
“Speeding, overeating, alcohol, lack of sleep, are all much greater risks to life & limb than the small percentage of antivaxxers in the world”
First of All, Who SAYS?!?
2nd of All, Two wrongs – Don’t make a Right.
Ubiq -“I agree wholeheartedly not condemning a terrorist attack is u
W hich attack, are you referring to?”
STOP TWISTING MY WORDS! I said -“he DID NOT call it Islamic Terrorism”
From the NY Post:
“America has now averaged one serious Islamic terrorist attack a year on President Obama’s watch, yet he still insists the threat from radical Islam is overblown and that he’s successfully protecting the nation”
Even with the San Berninado attack, he went back & forth between calling it a terror attack and blaming the attack on lack of Gun Control!
ubiq -“did Obama give out candies and cake?”
No, he did not! This is what he did – he DID NOT call it Islamic Terrorism – even after an Islamic terror attack! Now you might say that’s ok, because he DIDN’T condone it OR condem it, even though the motive was their religion. But the Torah (the ultimate TRUTH) states if you’re Silent – that means you agree. Shtikah K’hodah. You must PROTEST Against that kind of Terror – there is NO, Whatsoever, any sort of JUSTIFICATION!
ubiq -“can you see why many if not most would find it offensive, and would be upset by it?”
Yes, I would, if it was said generally. But in the case of Islamic Terror, when s/o perpertrates Terror in the name of Religion, it must be called out, Not celebrated – like we have seen – candies & cake given out!
ubiq -“I have had rebbeim (plural) who said that it was a “mitzva” to rateve (rescue) yiddish gelt from the government who steals and wastes money, by taking whatever we can even by any means necessary.”
I don’t believe you! There might be someone who holds similiarly, but NOT they way you understand it.
You have turned it around to fit your agenda! Do you really HATE all Religious Jews?
“Unfortunately followers of this view are sometimes caught.
Do you support the government/media labeling such theft as “Jewish thievery” ?”
It’s an absurd question, because of what I just wrote. But just to humor you – Yes, I would.
lasker -“Health, you are emphasizing muslem giving the inpression that they are all responsible. How would you like it if things were reversed and they would call it Jewish Terrorism?”
Stop with your self-hatred! I never ever heard in the US s/o commiting terrorism in the name of our Jewish religion! But in that religion – it happens many times.
laskern -“Health, Obama did not want to accuse all islamic people who did not commit terrorism, as I mentioned above, that creates more terrorism”
I never said he should! Why don’t read my post ? – Here it is again:
“How would it create more terrorism – if he called out Islamic terror, esp. here in the US?
During his time as pres, I think the only terror here was Islamic Terrorism.”
jackk -“Thank you for confirming to me that you are stuck in your ignorant belief that Obama is an antisemite and nothing will ever change you.”
I said IDK if he is one or not! I asked a question about a picture, which you didn’t answer.
“You should stop mentioning your belief on TYW until you are at least open-minded enough to debate it and change”
When you stop saying our Great Pres. is an antisemite!
“Avram is correct that Trump has spread (probably unwittingly ) the antisemitic conspiracy theories of the Nazis.”
Avram -“And that is wrong. Words matter. Communication matters.”
Mr. Lib, did you comment about the pic of Obama with Farakan?
Or it only matters when you can attack Cons for voicing their opinion?!?
laskern -“If you accuse muslems falsely of terrorism”
Who accused them FALSELY?
I said everytime there was a terror attack, Obama couldn’t say ISLAMIC TERRORISM!!!
laskern -“Health, Obama is a diplomat who does not want to create more terrorism,
besides two wrongs don’t make a right.”
How would it create more terrorism – if he called out Islamic terror, esp. here in the US?
“Health, also not all islamic are terrorists and there are other terrorists”
During his time as pres, I think the only terror here was Islamic Terrorism.
jackk -“Call any one of these people, I dare you, and then come back and confirm that you were wrong.”
What’s your point ? That a lot of Jews believe in Liberalism?
That they put their personal beliefs over the rights of all Jews & Hashem’s Torah?
“Obama never was and is not an antisemite.”
Why was Obama smiling in that picture? It looks like he’s a good friend of Farrahkan (probably the most well known Antisemite here in the US).
“It was not hidden.”
The picture was hidden for many years!
And why did the CBC tell the guy who took it – to hide it?!?
laskern – “Health, being so pro-jewish, why does he not called out the white nationalist thereby contributing to all the murder?”
And why didn’t Obama call all those Terror attacks – Islamic Terrorists?!?
AVRAM – “I have not lied. Sorry.
President Trump’s rhetoric stirs up the anti-Semitism on the right (Jews control the world and seek to undermine nations, are polluters of purity, etc.). I’m happy to call out both, but the latter is more threatening and imminently dangerous right now.”
The prob with you libs is that you live in your little world. Pres. Trump is NOT PC & feels no need to defend his comments! Therefore if right wackos decide to turn his words around – he doesn’t respond!
Trump remembers a world that wasn’t guided by PC. He lives in that world. Unfortunely you only live in your PC World, NOT the Real World!
He’s the most Pro-Jewish Pres that we have had in a long Time.
Start being Makir Tov!October 31, 2018 12:26 am at 12:26 am in reply to: Vegas Massacre: 59 Good Reasons to Outlaw Automatic Weapons #1614193
NCB -“Health: Nobody interprets the second amendment as the right to open fire on anyone who he thinks deserves it.”
The Militiamen will engage them. If the Border Crossers start attacking – the Militia will defend themselves!
“I’m all for stopping the migrants, but it should be done by the military and police.”
It’s Illegal for the army to do police work. That’s why we have the Border Patrol.
Random3x -“Being next to someone in a photograph is very often meaningless.”
A picture is worth a thousand words!
Btw, Why was Obama smiling?
And why did the CBC tell the guy who took it – to hide it?!?
jackk -“DJT accuses Soros of being behind the Anti-Kavannaugh campaign.
Why did he need to mention Soros ? The point of the tweet would mean the same whether he mentioned Soros or not.”
Maybe because he was behind it?
“Soros’s name has also been used to vilify the caravan walking to our southern border as a Jewish conspiracy to overrun America.”
It isn’t DJT’s idea! Maybe you should stop reading the Stormer?!?
“If you want to know about Obama , talk to the thousands of Jews who interacted with him daily for 8 years. Don’t develop a theory based on a picture.”
AVRAM -“Every time he rails against the globalist conspiracy to ruin America, the white supremacists wink and say hamevin yavin (well, not exactly that, but you know what I mean.”
Stop with your lies about Trump!
Where were you when Obama was president?!?
We don’t even know whether Obama is an Antisemite or not, because it was hidden. From previous: “Hidden photo of Obama and Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan surfaces after 13 years.”October 30, 2018 12:46 pm at 12:46 pm in reply to: Vegas Massacre: 59 Good Reasons to Outlaw Automatic Weapons #1613691
NCB -“After seeing what “well-regulated militias” coming to power gets you from 20th century Europe or modern day Arab countries. All people need for self defense are pistols and shotguns, not assault rifles.”
Who are you kidding? If people from the caravan try to jump the border – they should be shot.
A lot aren’t just refugees, but criminals. Most of the army that are going there aren’t Armed.
Some Border Patrol units are armed. I think all the Militias are heavily ARMED!October 28, 2018 12:28 pm at 12:28 pm in reply to: Vegas Massacre: 59 Good Reasons to Outlaw Automatic Weapons #1611929
NE -“guns if they so wished. But it seems obvious to me that a country like the UK, with very low gun ownership, is much better off in that regard than the US. The fact is, very few people get killed by guns in the UK, mass shootings simply don’t happen, and our terrorist attacks, when they do happen, kill much fewer people. That seems to me like a good thing.”
They might Not be killed by guns, but what about stabbing? Also, UK & Europe are out of control when it comes to terrrorism!
STOP living in your dream world.
“On the evening of 14 July 2016, a 19-tonne cargo truck was deliberately driven into crowds of people celebrating Bastille Day on the Promenade des Anglais in Nice, France, resulting in the deaths of 86 people and the injury of 458 others.”
“Of course, the last time you responded to me, you said that a police officer on the bridge with an automatic weapon would have saved lives at the Westminster terror attack. I can’t imagine how this would work, how an officer firing through crowds of people at a speeding car would have led to less deaths, but there you are.”
I’m Not going to argue that point, because maybe your cops can’t shoot.
It was near Parliment – they could have had a Sharpshooter posted there. And he could have taken him out!
Avram -“Well Health, what’s the latest false-flag conspiracy spin on this?”
How are you disproving my OP?
The left gets a lunatic to do it’s dirty work!
Remember the Rabin conspiracy?!?
Jack -“It is an excuse for when the terrorist is discovered to be a Trump supporter and not a Democrat.”
Let me ask you a question – if it’s Trump supporter – just send one device – to scare e/o.
Why send so many?!?
These devices weren’t meant to do tons of harm.
Why not send very powerful ones?
From CBS news:
“The packages contained crude but functional low-ordnance explosive devices, a law enforcement official told CBS News senior investigative producer Pat Milton. At least two of the devices consisted of a pipe, wires and black powder, the official said.”
Avram -“As for why no one was killed or injured, there are numerous reasons that are far more plausible than a false-flag conspiracy,”
You’re so left you can’t even begin to understand my point!
It’s right before an election – what would you do to make the right look bad?
The media wants to claim it’s a right wing nut – like s/o who has military expeirence, but he can’t even come up with a plan that will kill EVEN one target?!?
This is a Black Lives Matter guy – trying his hardest to change the next election!!!
iacisrmma -“please don’t tell me a person with 8 prior arrests should be treated leniently even if only charged with misdemeanors for his current arrest.”
You’re right; but this has to change in the legislator, Not in the Court system!
DY -“It was quite obviously a hate crime, and she should have granted what the prosecutor asked for.”
She can’t judge her decision on that; only what the prosecutor asks for! They always ask way too much.September 4, 2018 5:26 pm at 5:26 pm in reply to: Why are Children from divorced homes treated as second class citizens? #1587174
MOM -“that’s definitely not the solution”
Why? Marriage is a Good thing. I never wanted to get divorced!
It’s always good to have a Man around the House!September 4, 2018 12:47 pm at 12:47 pm in reply to: Why are Children from divorced homes treated as second class citizens? #1586282
Mom – So get married again – There are divorced men.
doomsday -“On the Vaccine Inserts (which no parent is ever shown) it says can cause Death, Seizures, Encephalitis, AUTISM, etc.”
Do you know why the Gov. requires the pamplet to write this? It’s because of Quacks that the Gov. listened to. As a matter of fact, the Gov. is always listening to these Quacks!
They pushed the Gov. to water down the Pertussis Vaccine.
From the AAP:
“The study, “Comparative Effectiveness of Acellular Versus Whole-Cell Pertussis Vaccines in Teenagers,” in the June 2013 issue of Pediatrics (published online May 20) looked at individuals born between 1994 and 1999 who received four pertussis-containing vaccines in the first two years of life. Some individuals received DTwP, and others received DTaP. The authors found that during a 2009 and 2010 pertussis outbreak, those teenagers who received DTaP had a six times higher risk of contracting pertussis due to waning immunity compared to those who received DTwP. Among teenagers who received DTaP, receipt of the Tdap booster did not overcome the advantage in protection from pertussis associated with previously receiving DTwP vaccines. The authors conclude that that research into developing new pertussis vaccines with improved accuracy is warranted!”