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cholent guy – “Israel proper means Israel, as in the landmass, not against Israeli nationals in general like in Bulgaria.

I said casualties DUE to terror.”

Actually you didn’t say that originally. You changed your post. Your OP said -“because I know of a city that has had more terrorism in the last 20 years than Israel for it’s whole existence.”

You change your post later on and then state -“I said casualties DUE to terror.”

No, you didn’t and that’s what I called you out on. Perhaps you should reread what you wrote before you post a response? So this way at least it looks like you’re responding with logic.

“Haven’t you ever heard of plain old murder?”

Yes, I have, but that’s not in the definition of terrorism. Perhaps look up the definition of “terrorism”?

“The rockets are a terror ATTEMPT. As in, a failed terror attack.”

Ok. And I said it’s a terrorist attack -“Hey just because you/they haven’t had any recent casualties, doesn’t mean it’s not a terrorist attack.”

You agree with me that it’s a terrorist attack, but since I didn’t define it as “failed” you say I’m wrong? I don’t care if the attack is failed or not, I was pointing out the constant terror attacks Israel has. And btw, your point is moot because there have been quite a few casualties due to rocket fire, even if it wasn’t yesterday or the day before.

“By the way, you keep on talking about giving Israel to Turkey. That might be a bit of a problem, seeing as Syria Isin between them and they don’t share a border.”

We can kill two birds with one stone. Turkey should take over Syria & their puppet Lebanon, along with Israel.

“Why not just make Israel part of Britian, like it once was?”

This shows that you have no knowledge of history. The English were a lot worse to the Jews than the Turks.

“Or the 51st state or the 15th territory while your at it?”

It wouldn’t be such a bad idea, but the US would never accept. Right now the US gov. is the most Anti-semitic than it ever was. Now e/o – don’t go calling me out on this. I’m not comparing them to other countries who are even more Antisemitic.

“P.S I’m as far from being a lib as the u.s is from Italy.”

Nowadays with air travel -it’s not that far.

“To paraphrase you, its a typical anti-Israel lie.”

Nothing in my post even remotely resembles a lie. Just because you do it – doesn’t mean e/o else does it too!

Curiosity -“Kshot atzmecha, ve’achar kach kshot acheirim.”

I did when it comes to lying and manipulating. So I’ll continue to call people out on this.

Kosher Ham -It’s possible you did everything and it still didn’t work. Most people don’t do everything and that’s why it’s not so effective.

Did you also have -“monthly removal of the unattached infected nail by a health care professional”?

cholent guy -“You did not say which part of my comment was false. The fact is that NYC has had more casualties due to terror in the last 20 years than Israel in it’s entire existence.”

I don’t have to spell it out for you, but here it is -“because I know of a city that has had more terrorism in the last 20 years than Israel for it’s whole existence.”

You said terrorism, not casualties!

“We are on track for the lowest amount of terror in Israel proper since … Forever. There have been 2 victims so far this year. The reason there was an attack in Bulgaria is because the Bulgarians don’t know a bloody thing about counter-terrorism.”

So you’re a leftist lib -what do you mean by “Israel proper”?

It’s all EY!

Second of all, I said terrorist attacks, not casualties.

And I suppose the Bulgarian attack was against Bulgaria, nothing to do with Israelis and Israel.

“Arab Stone throwing”

“That is crime, not terror.”

Yep, you’re right again. They throw rocks only to steal your money. If you’d throw them a few Shekels, they wouldn’t.

Are you for real?!?

“daily rocket attacks”

“Most thank God, miss by miles and the iron dome, with Siyatey Dishmaya, should take care of the rest.”

Hey just because you/they haven’t had any recent casualties, doesn’t mean it’s not a terrorist attack.

“blind eye”

“You must be joking.”

Did I sound like I was joking? A country that doesn’t retaliate when it’s being attacked has failed in their basic duty to their citizens.

Kosher Ham -“I used the prescription nail polish, Penlac (TM), with it’s 8% cyclopyrox (sp?) anti-fungal religiously for 6 months, too, but that barely made any difference on the most severely infected nails.”

You probably didn’t use it right. Here are the directions that must be followed to the tee. Note the part about filing and/or cutting/removing diseased nail.

“To use ciclopirox topical nail lacquer:

old man -“Sam2: As long as you were expressing halachic opinions, I was able to admire you from a distance. That said, your narrowmindedness in defining kedusha and hashkafic opinions on Eretz Yisrael and Medinat Yisrael has made me skeptical about you. Your hashkafic and historical knowledge is currently limited and is in serious need of breadth and depth.”

Sorry to disagree with you old man, but even though me and Sam have our disagreements, over here he is right on the money.

Maybe you had a senior moment, who knows?

E/o knows about the Machlokes about Kidsha L’sheyta Oh Kidsha L’osid Lovoh. He wasn’t talking about that. He said the State, in other words the Medina. If you think the Medina that is based on Kefira has any Kedusha, you are sadly mistaken!

rabbiofberlin -“As I said in my earlier posting, why do I even bother?”

Because you keep hoping to corrupt as many people as you can with your false ideology.

“As far as the satmarer rebbe saying it is “ossur’ and hence, we must all accept his words- since when do the words of one Possek obligate the whole world? He was daas jochid and remains daas jochid.”

Noone said you have to accept his word(s), but how many Poskim do you have nowadays that say like you that aren’t in the Mizrachi camp?

“Lastly, living and protecting Eretz Yisroel may not be a picnic (to parapahrase mw13) but I’d rather put my faith and safety in the hands of jews anytime. The figures for the death and destruction of minorities in Arab lands dwarfs whatever happened in Eretz yisroel this past century.”

More lies. Forget about whether it’s a Mitzva to have a Medina right now – how come all the Jewish lives lost because of the Medina doesn’t bother you? Tell me how many Jews were killed under Turkey’s rule in EY? Tell me how many Jews are killed in Turkey proper? Now compare that with how many Jews have been killed since the start of the Medina!

ready now -“I have heard that the oral medication for nail fungus rarely works.”

This is how false rumors start. From not being 100% effective it goes to “rarely works”.

Lamisil is about 70% effective. Sporonox about 50 – 60%.

Avi K -“Health, you are evading the question! In which major halchic work (Rif, Rambam, Rosh, Tur, Shulchan Aruch, Nosei Keilim, etc.) are they paskened? What about Ramban’s sttaement in his Sefer HaMitzvot about it being a Tora obligation in our time to conquewr EY? What about Rav Meir Simcha’s statement that the San Remo Conference revoked them and Rav Soloveichik’s statement that the time that Hashem calls has occurred? What about the fact that the Satmar Rebbe himself admitted that he was a daat yachid?”

Whoa, calm down. Just because it’s not mentioned in those Seforim doesn’t mean it’s Mutter. Like I said before – maybe your deduction isn’t a deduction? If anybody wants to argue with the Satmar Rebbe and is on the Madreiga to -that’s fine, but stop with – there is no such Halacha.

rabbiofberlin -“englishman-health and all the others: you keep on fighting very old battles and have added little of substance. The facts on the ground are concrete- there is a medinah today- its dismantling would cause the death and exile of millions of jews and-unless we have chas vecholilo a third churban- is totally delusionary. To say-as you said- that the satmarer rebbe prayed for its “peaceful’ dissolution is a delusion and, to boot, a dangerous delusion.”

You and all the other Zionists are in a delusional state. And you keep repeating the same old – same old. You think by repeating it umpteen times that it becomes true?!?! And stop with if we give away the Medina it will cause bloodshed. I posted about this before in the topic of “Argument against the Madina”:

“Hakatan- I agree with everything you say , but this:

“Regarding the latter, there is no question that the State of Israel exists and that since they have (foolishly) assumed responsibility (sad as that has been) for so many of our brethren, they cannot simply pack their bags.”

Who says? Maybe the Turks will take it, if offered?

They never hated Jews and until recently they even liked the State of Israel.”

“Lastly, I still have not seen one mention of a “Psak halacha” by the Satmarer rebbe. The sholosh shevuos are not halacha.”

Edited: Saying something is Ossur -means that’s the Halacha! Here is the quote again:

“Three Oaths through their provocation and rebellion against the Nations, which is prohibited by the Torah,”

Shoot it off.

True story: I once heard them interview a woman whose toe or toenail was bothering her. Even all the booze she drank couldn’t take away the pain, so out came the shotgun.

Solved the problem, but alas it didn’t solve all her problems.

No One Mourns The Wicked- “The predominant theme in the stanzas is the establishment of a sovereign and free nation in the Land of Israel. This is a freedom that the IDF works every day to protect.”

Now you’re saying something else. The IDF is not thanked in Hatikva, but we have to thank the Zionists for making a state.

So why did you mention the IDF? Sounds like you’re trying to play on people’s emotions.

And no, some of us believe it wasn’t a good thing to have a “Jewish” state!

Curiosity -“Health that website is frighteningly similar to Neturei Karta’s website, and in the same manner as NK they refer to themselves as “True Torah Jews”; as if anyone who holds of a different sheeta is an imposter. Krum krum krum.”

What you’re saying that it’s NK in order to Passel them. Kol Hapoisel B’momo Poisel. You just can’t admit that there are real Gedolim who are against the Medina.

I looked into the website and even though I can’t say for sure that it isn’t NK, because I don’t know who are the members of NK, all I can say is they have Haskomos from across the board. The Karlsburg Rebbe is one. Harav Hagons Reb Dovid & Reb Mayer Soloveitchiks are others and there are many more.

Stop trying to marginalize this Shitta by calling it NK. Lots of big Gedolim hold like the Satmar Rebbe Zt’l.

How about you listing some of your Gedolim who hold of the Medina? And I’m talking about the here and now within the last 40 years.

ROB -“health; you must be mistaken- “vochindik’ did not show any halacha on this matter.”

Well, who should I trust what the Halacha is? The Satmar Rebbe zt’l or some so-called Rabbi from Berlin, Germany – the town where the Maschilim (Reform) started and/or flourished.

This is a translation of the Satmar Rebbe’s zt’l words found on the web:

“Rabbi Joel Teitelbaum, Al Ha-Geulah ve-al Ha-Temurah, pp. 85-86”

“The very act of engaging in this war [the Six Day War] was forbidden according to Jewish law, including the coercion of the Jewish People to engage in war with other nations and thereby placing the Jewish People in danger, which is a violation of the Torah. Anyone who violates the Torah and coerces the Jewish People to engage in war and cheapens the blood of thousands upon thousands of Jews by endangering their lives in a forbidden manner and in opposition to the Torah is considered a murderer and sheds innocent blood. Such people are held liable for the blood they cause to be shed. I heard that there were announcements during the war that stated that it was a necessary and positive war according to the Torah!

However, it is clear as day to anyone who can perceive truth that the source of all suffering, including the dangers of war, is the outcome of the existence of that Zionist state, that is of no value or benefit either to G-d or to the Jewish People. On the contrary, that State is the cause of all suffering and destruction, uprooting of religion and the Torah. The Zionist government is the one who ignited the anger of the Arabs by provoking them in various ways, and were it not for the stubbornness of these wicked rulers there would not be the danger of war. Even now, if they were to give up their State and government, they would doubtless remove the anger of G-d from the Jewish People, and these dangers and deaths would not befall the Jewish People.

Every single moment that they hold on to their State and government they are reviling G-d in their violation of the Three Oaths through their provocation and rebellion against the Nations, which is prohibited by the Torah, and which brings about the severe punishment for violating the Oaths, as it is written in the Talmud in the tractate Ketuboth, p. 111: … All the more by virtue of this wicked heretical regime that is bringing down the immeasurable anger of G-d against the Jewish People.

Even according to the natural order, were they to yield their government and Zionist State, there is no doubt that the United Nations could make arrangements to prevent war and bloodshed. How could anyone think that our holy Torah approves of shedding the blood of Jews because of this impure State? There is no doubt whatsoever that it is absolutely forbidden to shed the blood of a single Jewish soul to maintain the entire Zionist State.

However, most people err, and carry the vain belief and wanting to retain the State that is destroying the nature of the Jewish People. Thus, most Jews have fallen into heresy thereby. The view of our Torah has never changed, however, and rejects their State and government. Anyone who as much as believes that the State is necessary is accepting idolatry without a doubt, and such person considers Jewish blood to be valueless. This is totally in opposition to the teachings of our Torah that seeks to preserve life.”

mommamia22 – “You said “cv’sh that you would be from a mo background”.

You did not say “cv’sh that you would be irreligious stating that you are from a mo background”.”

Exactly; because even the Frum ones are in the Geder of “Oiy L’Rosha V’oiy L’schaino.” So I would not want to live or grow up in such a community.

“I understood your words well enough. Whether you meant to say the exact words you wrote might be another story.”

I said what I meant and meant what I said.

“You did not make yourself clear, as evidenced by the outraged reactions and responses you got.”

Oh, I did make myself clear, but you jumped to conclusions that I said what I did without good reason.

“You also state that a good % of the mo community is not frum. You did not specify initially that you meant the uws.”

While you have Non-Frum people part of every MO community – I was talking about the UWS. I would Not have to specify which community I was talking about because this is the Topic’s subject. Sorry that you don’t read the OP.

“You pride yourself on your scientific mind, but you failed to use it here when making a global statement without evidence to back up your claims.”

Even without a scientific mind but just with a little sense people can post their opinions based on logic instead of emotions. It seems that some have trouble doing this!

mommamia22 -“It sounds so much like you are maligning the whole mo community.”

Because you jumped to conclusions -I am not required to defend myself on them. I made myself clear -I’m against people who consider themselves MO, but pick and choose which Halachos they want to keep.

Feif Un -“Health: The crops would grow without irrigation, as long as there was water supplied. Irrigation is simply an easy way to supply water.

Before the Jews regained control of Israel, there was nothing growing there. The arabs had turned it into a wasteland. Now the land is thriving. Why is it common sense to say that it means without irrigation? Do you have a source other than your own (twisted) common sense?”

Let’s see -common sense tells me if there isn’t a water supply and nothing grows and then you irrigate the land like they did in EY and something grows -this isn’t a Miracle -it’s called Teva!

“Maybe R’ Yoel said it?”

I wouldn’t know – I’m not Satmer. Perhaps you can ask him.

Feif Un -“Health: You’re really getting desperate! Common sense that it meant without irrigation? Seriously?”

Is “common sense” such a foreign subject to you?

Tell me something, in the US they use irrigation to grow crops, correct? And presumably they are doing this because otherwise the crops wouldn’t grow, correct? It costs the farmer a lot of money -so he wouldn’t do it unless it was necessary. Now this farmer, a Xtian, who can’t wait until his so-called Messiah makes a second coming, decides that since his crops are growing because of irrigation – that this is a sign from Heaven that he is about to reappear. Would you consider this guy off the wall or completely sane?

Well, this is exactly what the Zionists are doing!

Avi K -“Health,

1. Which question am I allegedly evading?”

From above: “You didn’t answer my question – why is “Hatikva” appropriate for Jewish events?!?!”

“2. Who says it isn’t?”

Almost every Godol!

computer777 -“Really? I already told you the reason. Because I dont have have the time or desire.”

But how do/did you have the time and desire to answer this past post? How about a little honesty?

“It’s a logical conclusion since you often state how your posts are made with logic.”

Seems to be we have a different definition of logical conclusions. Because s/o says their posts are with logic -that means they are priding theselves with that?!?! Ok, whatever you say.

“Since when are you the expert on abuse and manipulation?

I read a lot of books on all kinds of subjects. Abuse and manipulation are one of them.”

I didn’t know reading books made s/o an expert! So when you get sick you probably go to s/o who read a lot of medical books, not to a Medical Doctor.

“do you think all men are abusive?

Talk about putting words in someones mouth! No, I don’t think so. Don’t know what I said that you should even ask that. And my husband is bh a wonderful person. Both men and women are capable of being manipulative. And one doesn’t have to be married to a manipulator to be affected by one.”

I didn’t know asking s/o a question was putting words in their mouth! Do you even know what the words “putting words in someones mouth” means?

“I misunderstood your post. I thought you meant “women” cannot learn properly when tired. I think that if a women decides that she wants to learn, and makes it her business to, then she can learn properly even if physically tired. You can disagree. That is your right.”

Thanks for giving me permission to disagree, your Highness.

I disagree because women can Not learn properly any more than men can when they are tired. I don’t believe in the Amazon Woman!

“I was responding to your post because I disagree with your reasoning. What I do is irrelevant.”

You can’t disagree with my reasoning until you understand it. I hope one day you’ll be able to comprehend my post.

yichusdik -“Rabbi Akiva Eiger taught that if we succeed in growing fruit in Israel then the final geulah is imminent (as related by his student, Rav Zvi Hirsch Kalischer, Shivat Zion, volume 2, pp. 51-52).”

This means without irrigation and this isn’t how most things grow in EY.

“Meseches Megilla (17b) … the final geulah begins with the in gathering of the exiles, followed by t e flourishing of the fruits of Israel, and concludes with the arrival of the Moshiach and the rebuilding of the Beis Hamikdosh.”

And acc. to most Gedolim, this hasn’t happenned yet!

If these statements are accurate, then most Gedolim did Not agree with them!

I repeat – acc. to most Gedolim this hasn’t happenned yet!

Perhaps you should rethink your stance that the Medina is the Start of the Geula?!?!

My statement wasn’t logic -it was a guess. And it seems I guessed right because you haven’t yet came up with a real rebuttal.

And how do you know what I pride myself in? Is this a logical statement or a guess?

Since when are you the expert on abuse and manipulation? Does your husband abuse you so therefore you know all about it? Or if you’re not married, do you think all men are abusive?

You see this post that you just wrote is manipulating. You put words in my mouth that I never said. I was going only acc. to the Shittos that hold women are allowed to learn. So obviously they hold a woman can learn with awe, fear, etc. The point of my post was – when can this actually occur? If during the woman’s day -they should be doing other Mitzvos like Chessed. Their learning would Not take precedence over Chessed like it does by a man, because even if they have a Mitzva to learn it’s not a Chiyuv, like it’s by a man.

So they can learn during their downtime when they’re tired.

So to this I responded -noone can learn properly acc. to the side Halachos of fear, awe, etc., when they are tired. I wasn’t differentiating between males & females. You made this into a male/female thing. So do you really learn for intellect or are you a feminist?

yichusdik -“I thank Him every day for beginning the process of the Geulah.”

How are you so sure that it’s the beginning of the Geulah?

Are you a Novi?

As nice a guy as Mr. Goodman is – stick to the vitamins/herbs that are listed in professional Alternative Med books! Enough with the Fad diet pills!

Two new diet drugs recently approved by the FDA – (from their website):

“The U.S. Food and Drug Administration today approved Belviq (lorcaserin hydrochloride), and Qsymia as an addition to a reduced-calorie diet and exercise, for chronic weight management.

The drugs are approved for use in adults with a body mass index (BMI) of 30 or greater (obese), or adults with a BMI of 27 or greater (overweight) and who have at least one weight-related condition such as high blood pressure (hypertension), type 2 diabetes, or high cholesterol (dyslipidemia).”

HaLeiVi -“Health, so you do believe that if a woman is physically washed out but mentally alert, she should or could learn?”

I personally hold that it’s Ossur for women to learn Torah SheBaal Peh, like it says in the S’A. I was talking acc. to those that permit it. Usually when s/o is washed out physically it affects them mentally. But if it happens to be that this isn’t the case, then yes acc. to those Shittos she can learn – provided she is able to keep all the side Dinim of how you have to learn.

“As a side note, I don’t recall a Halacha dictating which voluntary Mitzva that is not before you, you must do, other than the preferances in Tzadaka. Do you have an example in mind?”

These Halachos are brought down, I think, in Hilchos Talmud Torah.

“With your argument, you are negating any woman. But there were famous Melumados that we know, and probably a lot more that we don’t know of.”

I’m not negating anyone more than the S’A. Even acc. to the S’A who says women aren’t allowed to learn, there were these women in Jewish history that did. This is called an exception to the rule!