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@ujm, Just like the maskilim made mistakes [and especially the ones that went totally off the derech], so too is your enlightenment not empty of mistakes. I never said he is the founder of the current modern orthodox. And I never said that I am modern orthodox.
@AviraDeAra, the frum became against learning a lot of Navi (unfortunately) since the maskilim were into it. So even if his teachings caused them to get messed up, that doesn’t necessarily mean that his teachings are messed up. Just like Navi is not messed up.
And I sincerely appreciate you bringing up the haskamah of Hagoan R’ Akiva Eiger, who was considered THE greatest of his generation. [Besides for maybe Mendelssohn lol.]It probably does mean something that many of his followers ended up off. But the question is WHAT it means. To say that he wanted that to happen is rediculous. But it is possible that it was somehow his fault. Maybe they were heading in that direction without him and he accomplished that at least during his life that didn’t happen. Maybe because that’s where the people in that time and place were headed. Even the people that were not his followers. I’m not denying that many of his followers went off. But the question is if it was better by people in his time and place that were not his followers. Maybe only people that were heading in that direction were interested in becoming his followers. And maybe he was only interested in followers that were heading in that direction. Maybe to try to save them. Maybe it was the fault of those that did not accept them as legitimately religious.
@n0mesorah that is a valid point that he was no longer living when the school opened. But It doesn’t change the fact that he is believed to be behind the opening by his close student.
I think most readers of YWN are not interested in learning Mendelssohn’s teachings. So you probably should not bring up more questions about his teachings. At least definitely not in this conversation which has gotten very off topic.
I think he denied hashkafah that doesn’t make sense. But not halachah.@EEEE you may have a point. But it doesn’t take away from my point that we are a mix.
@AviraDeArah the point of Tehillim is clearly not poetry.
I think it’s rediculous for us to continue bashing him now that many of his ‘treif reforms’ were incorporated into our own lives.@AviraDeArah, Just because it was not his idea, that doesn’t change the fact that he founded a movement. He opened the first school that taught secular studies.
And I’m sorry that I’m not brainwashed, but the fact is that he was a Rabbi. This is a historical fact. It says it on his matzeivah. And although many Rabbis were very outspoken against him, there is no one that has no one outspoken against them, although some more than others. One of the main reasons he was spoken against was because he advocated secular studies. Which we all teach.
Does anyone claim the lubavitcher Rebbe was not a Rebbe?
There is a difference between R’ and spelling it out. And if you really want you can read it as standing for rasha. Which according to my limited research is a rediculous claim since he was clearly more frum than almost anyone I ever met.All forms of Yiddishkight were massively affected by the Holocaust and had to basically restart. Most religious Jews today are a mix of the original modern, the original chasidim, and the original misnagdim. Although some are obviously much closer to one of the originals than others. R’ Moses Mendelssohn was clearly the founder of the original modern. We are all his followers by having secular studies for example. And the yeshivish levush is clearly a chasiddish concept. I actually consider Yeshivish to be a form of chasidus. Just like chasidus has all different forms – Satmar, Belz, Ger…
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@ray Kaufman/redleg How can you say that you “certainly agree that the use or operation of electrical appliances and devices is assur?” Didn’t you say that “it is beyond question that most of the responsa concerning electricity are based on incomplete or misunderstood information?”
The chareidim are noheg not to operate electricity on Shabbos. Whoever does is a poretz gender. But let’s not be brainwashed liars. It’s a safek derabanan.@Neville Chaim Berlin Regarding the last paragraph of comment #2190527, please see the first two sentences of my first comment to this topic. Abba_S explained a decent answer. The only thing is that I don’t believe it is the true answer. I think the true answer is that אוי לרשע אוי לשכינו. The chilonim did so much protesting that now the chareidim picked up their bad ways.
Please read the question before you try to answer. The question is that BESIDES for the halachic sha’ayla which is completely non-existent by Angels, there is ALSO the same problem of chillul Hashem. I don’t think there is a good answer. See the comments to this article https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/2189515/harav-zilberstein-buy-angel-why-isnt-kavod-hatorah-important-to-you.html. Chas VISHALOM to criticize!? Do you know what Shalom means? Boycotting is the opposite of Shalom. The only half answer that I would say is that hopefully this is only a temporary protest.
See the Wikipedia article titled List of places with eruvin
Very interesting Zohar. I wish he would not have mixed in his Zionist opinion at the end that everyone should move to Israel asap. It kind of ruins the beautiful post.
Maybe Hashem is being Menachem us. We are called Yaakov sometimes. Particularly in Eisov sonei es Yaakov, which is what is going on. I heard that Eisov is lav davka, it means all nations. But these days oyeiv is more accurate for yishmael. They are not just haters. They are an enemy at war trying to take our land.
The frum world is careful that there should be a mechitza between the women and the men at least by dancing. Not only do the women only dance with women and the men only with men, we also have a mechitza between the women and the men so that the men don’t see the women dancing.
It is therefore upon us to PROTEST the practice that the Choson & Kallah Walk Together Into the Wedding Hall from the women’s side. Because the chosson is not supposed to see women dancing. Also, in order for the chosson to get to the men’s side, they usually open part of the mechitza. And usually a few minutes before he enters. The women then dance while the men are watching!