Momofsix

True. I speak from a Moroccan perspective.

Oh!!! And I forgot to mention the whole naming after the grandparents that are alive.

That was very strange as well but now that I understand it I am fine with that and hope my kids name for me as well…

I guess it just depends. I wear a Shaitel. And we do eat kitnios on Pesach but not rice.

Golfer: no I did not post as momof4

There is one aspect of all of these theories that nobody has brought up yet as far as I can see.

The way the system is setup now, our daughters are being well educated in their yeshivas because its a good possibility that they will be the breadwinner of their own families.

The boys education, at least in the very frum community I live in is dismal to say the least.

The problem then becomes that my daughters have trouble dealing with the boys their own age (or younger) because they are so poorly educated.

My daughter dates boys close to her age and just comes home rolling her eyes…The younger boys, who have very little life exprerience, are so immature!

If we want our boys out in the dating world sooner, then they need to be prepared!They need to be educated better then they are now. Even if they are going to sit and learn forever, They have to know how to balance a checkbook or how to carry on a normal conversation complete with proper grammer.

The well educated girls should be able to respect their life partners and not feel educationally and worldly superior. That alone is a recipe for disaster.

Give the boys a little real life education and experience and then push them to date younger.

I just want to comment that the silence is deafening…Where are all the unhappy bandsters?

The truth is that even when someone complains about their banding to their friends and relatives they know that ultimately it was the best thing they did. There are some aspects about it that may be less than perfect but on a whole, I cant imagine anyone regretting their band altogether.

OOmis1105: Im not being “snobby” when I say only those who have one should comment. You have proved my point with the misinformation in your response.

One who doesnt have a band doesnt know enough and will give misinformation. Malabsorbtion does not occur with a band. A band is merely “restrictive” meaning it just restricts the amount you can eat. Malabsorbtion is something that occurs with other types of weight loss surgery, and since I didnt have the other types I will not comment on malabsorbtion.

Of course diabetics need to lose weight but what if they just cant without help?

Lets all agree that the only way to lose weight is to eat less.

The question is how to do that.

Someone who is 20 pounds overweight and otherwise healthy, can and should watch what they eat and work at losing the weight the old fashioned way…

There are those, however, that have to lose 80, 100 or 150 pounds and for us, starving for a week, depriving ourselves of any of the foods we love, to lose 2 pounds, only to gain back 3 pounds at a simcha where we slip up is torture.

I assume the OP is severly overweight or is asking on behalf of a loved one. I am sure that she has tried other methods before considering this and can use support.

I go back to my Motrin analogy.. If someone has a severe headache, why would you dissuade them from taking 2 Motrin? There are many horror stories about people who overdosed on Motrin, there was Motrin that was tainted and had to be pulled from shelves, so now should everyone avoid motrin and call it the “easy way out”?

A band is not Easy, it restricts you from eating too much, even when you REALLY want to. even at a simcha, or on Yom Tov. It requires multiple trips to the Dr. to have it tweaked.

Those who have gained back the weight have done so because they got tired of their band and stopped going to the Dr. just the same way that someone who diets and excersises to lose the weight and then stops dieting and excersising, it will come back.

So lets be clear, we are not discussing a band for someone 20 pounds overweight, we are discussing 100 pounds overweight with probably a few co morbidities thrown in as well…

I really wouldnt even bother reponding to these threads anymore, but I remember when I was looking into it and EVERY person I mentioned it to had negative things to say. I shudder to think where I would be now if I had listened. My mother freaked, and threw all sorts of (wrong) information my way and guess what…6 months later she did it too. and she was successful as well.

If anyone out there actually has a band, and regrets doing it, by all means post and give the OP the info she needs, but if you yourself dont have one I really feel you should keep unsupportive comments to yourself.

Hatzlacha to the OP and anyone out there who decides to take this route.

I agree that its worth addressing each time it comes up…I will say that only someone with a band is qualified to comment as nobody else knows what is truly going on in someones body.

I think most post op bandsters look wonderful once the weight starts coming off, but look is not the main concern. Health is. Being morbidly obese can be a life threatening illness. Of course portion control is the only way but what some people fail to realize is that many people cannot control their portions without help.

People who have been banded know that vomiting is not a good thing and if someone is vomiting they should be seeing their Dr. for a slight unfil. If someone chooses to abuse their band….then there may be consequences.

Every tool out there can be used for good or abused…Take 2 motrin for a headache and thank gd theres Motrin, take 20 at a time and “say goodbye to your kidneys and liver”

I personally thank Hashem daily for this refuah he created for me and people like me. Of course every individual should speak with their own Dr so decide whats right for them.

I should add that I am one of those that had to have surgery a second time after 6 years and I still say it was the best thing I ever did for myself.

Please dont take ANY advice from anyone who is not banded, its ridiculous.

I do not throw up all the time. I have, at times, eaten too much too fast , and that’s what happens.

I did not have any issues with any specific food, so long as I ate just a little. Some people say they can’t eat protein or fresh fruits and veggies. This was not my experience.

I was able to tolerate only a little food at a time, really really small amount, and then I was full. Which was perfect for me.

I was told that I would be fine after a week but in reality, I was “better” by a week but not “fine” until 15 days.

For me, this band was a gift from gd and I’m so glad I did it.

I have the same problem with my 2 year old son.

I would start bathtime at 7 and kept the routine nightly. Still i would sit from abt 7:30 to 9:30 till he fell asleep. I tried excersise, stories, singing, patting. He simply could not drift off.

My pediatrician did not approve of melatonin saying that if given too much synthetically , the body would stop making in naturally.

Just today, I was in a health food store, and the owner gave me the number to “zahler nutrition”

I spoke to their nutritionist who recommended l-triptophane (sp?) and I tried it tonight.

I was out of his room at 8:45.

Coincidence? Maybe. I’ll post again in a few days gd willing.

To those who think it’s a discipline issue, please don’t judge. My son is a good boy, who just can’t shut down like most, he certainly doesn’t need a ” potch”

Just wanted to add that there were 2 big rainbows seen over the weekend..One in Monticello and One spanned from Brooklyn to Manhattan…not a good sign either….