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Joseph- “I believe hunting for sport ought to be a crime”
Agreed.
Avram in MD, I dont know about the gorilla case because I don’t know the details. But for the loin I think unless the dentist gave a public apology people should be informed about what he did and they can choose to boy cot his practice.
I think the fact that it was legal is atrocious, and the government officials should be held responsible. If a law was broken they should be prosecuted.
I can so see it.
You sitting there brewing by your computer saying “I hate so many of the people here how can I express my rage, oh I know, Ill imply that because of your evil beliefs your children will be ex-communicated! I’ll ask it as a question!”
Not saying others on the other side don’t do similar. Just want to call a spade a spade.
Or…..
Is it a subtle threat? Saying your children will be emotionally blackmailed and be left bereft of friends and suffer social ostracism by the charedi community because of your evil beliefs?
Either way, I don’t think its a practical question.
Joseph, I do not think this is a practical question. But rather, by asking this, it is an emotionally cathartic way of expressing your disapproval of others. By excluding your children from having friendships with such people (and yourself by proxy) you are validating your own beliefs by essentially saying “your kids are not good enough to play with my kids”.
Why not just say “I hate your opinions and consider them so toxic I won’t even let me kids play with your kids.” Instead of asking it as a question?
Joseph, by children’s homes do you mean children who go to an orthodox school, but their parents have different hashgachic views than yours?
Or kids who go to public school and the like?
Rav Ovadia asserts that even non-Jews are forbidden to conduct bullfights. However, one may ask that a specific prohibition to conduct bullfights does not appear on the list of the Seven Noachide Laws that the Torah obligates all mankind to abide by.
Rav Yehuda Amital (in a lecture at Yeshivat Har Etzion) answers that we see that the Torah expects and demands every human being to behave decently. Moreover, the Torah demands every human being to refrain from engaging in immoral activities, even if an activity is not formally prohibited by the Noachide code. Failure to do so will result in divine retribution.
“Hunting for the thrill is putting a GPS transmitter on the animal so you know exactly where it is and then killing it in a few hours.”
Disgusting. This is how people are capable of doing the most horrific things. Its built into their nature to do evil. And this is the start of the desensitization process.
I disagree with you in the sense that both types of hunting are for the “thrill” even hunting for sport. Only the latter is a worse form of it. You can perfectly enjoy nature without hunting for sport.
Compare this- popa_bar_abba: ” I didn’t really get killing animals for fun, but it didn’t seem like such a big deal either….. You should davka hunt”
“You are “preaching” to me about what not to get upset over as well”
Bullet proof “logic” right there.
Just to be clear, I agree if there was even a small chance the gorilla would have killed the boy they should kill the gorilla.
I would only be against it if it was “policy” to kill the gorilla even when no danger existed for PR or legal reasons. But this case looks legit.
This gorilla case and the lion are totally not comparable.
*If not most a good chunk of them.
by Rabbi Howard Jachter
In Teshuvot Yechaveh Daat (3:66), Rav Ovadia Yosef discusses the Halachic propriety of attending a bullfight and visiting a zoo. Although the first question appears obscure and the answer to the second question seems obvious, this Teshuva teaches vital lessons regarding our evaluation of cultural activities of the non-Jewish world. This insightful Teshuva has many other Halachic and Hashkafic (relating to Jewish Thought) implications that we shall elucidate in this essay.
Bullfighting
Similarly, the Ohr Hachaim Hakadosh (Vayikra 17:11) asserts that we have no right to kill an animal needlessly. This, he writes, explains the seemingly odd requirement of the Mishna (Sanhedrin 2a) to convene a panel of twenty-three judges to determine if an animal deserves to be put to death. Indeed, the Rama (Darchei Moshe Orach Chaim 316:2) writes that one who hunts with dogs will not participate in the feast of the Livyatan upon the arrival of the Mashiach.
I said, most of the “frum” ones are not really frum. You have to be very careful about this.
Happy 60th birthday coming up.
Is there in general a lot of tension and anger between the frum and secular Israeli communities in Israel today?
If so is it especially worse in any one city?
Visit the friends home and get to know the parents and their kids prior to letting your kids go there. Same thing parents have probably been doing for thousands of years.
“Yes there are a few shysters out there who try to milk every dollar from clients”
Well, you obviously disagree. But what I have heard from people in the know and even seen youtube videos from ex-lawyers that the shysters are the norm, not the exception.
I know lawyers have one of the highest suicide rates. It can be a crushing career for a sensitive soul.
ctlawyer- “Newbee, don’t believe what you are told.”
So let me get this straight. I shouldn’t believe what I am told, even if it comes from close family and friends, unless it comes from you- an anonymous internet person.
I guess everyone who has a family pet dog should kill it and send its meat to African children. All that money spent at the vet could have fed Chinese families. All the money spent on dog food could have gone to single mothers in India.
“Says the person trying to convince me that I cannot be upset that people value animal life more than human life…”
False, you can be upset over whatever you want. But here you are preaching to everyone else what NOT to be upset over. Saying its wrong to be upset over this.
CTLAWYER, sorry but being this information comes from a close family relative of mine that is an actual divorce lawyer along with other people I know, their knowledge and advise trumps yours.
I have seen too many horror stories.
On a personal note, may she have a complete refua shleima.
To give you an idea about the frustration. There are 7.4 billion people. At the time the gemara was written there was an estimate 1,000,000 lions. Today, the estimate is 20,000. More and more species and habitats are being destroyed every year. Hashem did not create such worldly wonders to be destroyed, made extinct, and tortured for no reason.
If you dropped your plate of chicken after a long day or got into a bad fender bender you would probably be more upset over that than the human suffering you mentioned. So maybe we shouldn’t judge others on what and what not they can be upset over.
mw13, Im pretty sure if someone had tortured to death a child for a week, and took a photo with its corpse there would have been outrage as well.
What are you doing to stop all this human suffering personally? Not the most noble quality to dictate what others can and cannot be emotionally upset over. To me, seeing an innocent creature who knew not right from wrong tortured to death by a wealthy dentist is something valid to feel distress over.
From what I am told, what divorce lawyers care most about is not their clients well-being, but taking as much money from their client as possible by encouraging divorces and dragging them out as long as possible.
I doubt therapists do this like lawyers do, but selfish motives might come into play on occasion.
“therapists damaging peoples yiras shamayim, marriages, families”
Thats a great one actually. Therapists often can do more harm than good.
The entire secular court system and university I suppose you can say also leads to destroying marriage and families.
“Here we go again…”
Saving someones life from imminent danger is very different than going into the jungle and torturing a wild lion to death for no other reason than to take your picture with its corps because you are a rich dentist with lots of money you don’t know what to do with.
Actually, Im not sure what halacha would say about that. Joseph?
For many places in the US, the quality of life is not high enough to be called a developed country either.
I feel like this has been discussed dozens of times on here already no?
All people do is waist their lives away with their family and learning old Torah books. They refuse to engage in disquisition on the pros and cons of Zionist Political Philosophy, its a shandah.
“Lack of thinking about The Ribono Shel Olam”
I have tried bringing this subject up in the past, not many people wanted to think about it (well at a minimum didn’t want to talk about it).
As for Torah V Morals: its an issue when one could care less about kavod habrioys, ahavta lereacha kamocha, forgets the 5th chelek of shulchan aruch, and uses aggadah in the wrong context without appreciating the time, audience and subtleties it was intended for.
Joseph, again, I have heard rabonim say lemeisa shaking a woman’s hand is not automatically considered derech chiba today.
Also, does anyone have a source for what the Chelkas Yoav says about this? I recall him having a unique approach.
Joseph, lets use the coffee room as an example. If you represent the typical mindset and behavior of chareidi Jews in concentrated tri-state areas, would it be best for other members of the coffee room to constantly live around you? What about the giyores we were talking about before would she do best in Lakewood being your neighbor? What about someone who has a limited income and has to pay rent for his family, would he do better in NYC or OOT.
Some places are better for different people. Dont give in to the pressure that you have to live in Brooklyn. You have to go to CUNY Brooklyn. You have to pay rent in Brooklyn or Lakewood so you can be the best Jew. I think that pressure is starting to fade more and more today.
Thats great you should stay in the city its worth it for you. Does every frum Jew who moves to Brooklyn benefit from this to the extent it outweighs the negatives or even at all?
CTLAWYER, you should try out to be interviewed for one of those PBS Jewish History in America documentaries or that genealogy show.