notrichenough

Some Jewish people don’t mind to be counted, but some do.

– even for a minyan men not counted as 1-2-3 etc.

– some Jewish people do not want a number to be related to their name, because this remind them numbers given in concetration camp (some still have a number on their arm)

so, please don’t give me a number

but once they decide to do teshuva and become frum, they don’t have to do everything at one time.

a ger on the other hand it’s all or nothing

BT can’t do everything at one time, the same like a ger do not learn everything at one time. Not Jew spent a few years to learn and then make a convergin – became a Jew. This is the reason, why it’s all or nothing (Jew or not Jew)

BT IS a Jew, who is getting back to her/his roots. And whatever BT learn, s/he must to keep from the time s/he learn. I may be very wrong, but I think most of BT started to learn from everyday Halachah ( which for women include the law of tznius) and then got farther.

This is not just a problem in Eretz Yisroel it is a bigger problem here in Galus. Just walk the streets of Brooklyn or the Five towns. Women who consider themselves frum and would not walk out of their homes without their $2000 sheitels would walk out with their knees and more showing.

If this is a reality, why husbands and fathers keep quite? Why they let their wife / daughter to be dressed this way?

I did not go to BY or any other religious school – we did not have it. I’m BT and I’m following what I learn from my daughter ( who is observant 18 years out of her 30), my mentor and different classes I take. I was learn that Jewish woman suppose to cover her knees, elbows and collarbones and I personally follow it. Being a fashion designer I made a new gowns and kind of “creative” alteration for ladies from our community. Till one day. That day someone call me and asked to make gowns for her daughters (15 and 18 yo) and I was agree. Next day I could not believe my eyes – girls ask me to make strapless gowns with small boleros. I gave my word just a day before and did not know what to do now. I asked the shaila and I was told I can do it, because: 1. I’m not only a dressmaker in community, 2. I’m doing this for money, 3. girls will not listen to me any way, because the mother does not care about the way they dressed. So, I did. But I do not want to do this any more, I do not want to help ffb girls to be dressed this way. Every road starts from the first step and not long enough skirt may be this first step. I do not judge anybody – just my thoughts.

If Rav’s wife (an Orthodox Rav) has skirts, which hardly cover her knees, what do you want from her daughters and their friends? It is very sad.

yoheved,

before you take any actions think about huge work rabbies /lawers etc. did and keep doing to help these boys. Think if your actions will help them or, has v’sholom, will demage the situation rabbies got as of today.

The best we (people who do not know all details of this deal) can do – to daven for boys, to help with $$.

“notrichenough, if you were more rich you wouldn’t need any gemachs!!!”

da, I don’t use gemachs, I’m a fashion designer.

And yes, I’m not rich enough to pay for yeshivah for 8 grandchildren, I wish I can afford it. It will be very big help for my son-in-law.

da, not at all. I’m really keep learning from everything and everyone.

Does somebody know from what age person can be legally hired? If teenager is under the age, camp owner can pay whatever he wants, because the teenager (with parents permission) and the owner braking the law. In this case you can’t tell camp owner what is the minimum wages s/b. Minimum wages – for legal employee.

I’m working for a big corporation and our corporate office not allowed to hire anybody under age 18 for temporary summer job, no matter what kind of position it is. Very possible, for camp employees law can be different.