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ananonmys: thats exactly the point. The folding is not to avoid wrinkling. You are folding it because you want the crease; this is true both with the tallis and the pants. And I am not personaly camparing anything. I am reporting to you and others who inquired what I have learned from my rebeim. At the same time I am sure their are rabanim who would paskin differently lehalacha. For those however who hold it is assur, the aformentioned is probobly why.

The Halacha is that a goy who keeps shabbos is chayiv misa a goy who learns torah is also chayav misa. This halacha is disscussed in the gemara is sanhedrid.

The reoson a goy who learns Torah is chaya misa can be found in a drasha. The passuk calls the torah a “Morasha” or inheritence(for lack of better word) the gemara tells us – al tikri morasha ela meorasa. The torah is a meorasa a women who is engaged but not yet married. She is set aside for her husband and only him. So to the Torah is set aside for the Jewish people alone.

Similarly Shabbos is also just for the Jewish people and not for the non Jews. There is a machlokes however what the nature of “Shavas” is. It either means regular shabbos like we have which is just for us or it may also mean take a day off from work. The reoson according to the latter sevara is that a jew’s purpose is to serve hashem and learn… a non Jew is supposed to work, contribute to society not to take off random days and so nothing – like every sunday 🙂 However I believe the common understanding is that the prohibition stems from the former reosons.

Additionaly the umos haolam have 7 mitzvos if they violate any of them there is a din of misa – that is the standered punishment. This is if they do not set up there own set of Dinim if they do maybe not. ALso not clear if dinim is on the 7 mitzvos or rile of law in genaral.

Ayein the gemara sanhedrin and the RAMBAM

Would you accept an comment claiming we instigated the holocaust.

Poppa,

Kibbutz Galiut? Listen you are entitled to believe that we are not halachicaly aloud to enter Israel with a government because of the Gemmorah in Kesubos. But assuming you are not Satmar, the position you are coming from is very hard to defend. The people in Israel are not the Turks they are Jews. And yes you can darshen from a beracha in the sence that that beracha is what you ask god every day. Why would you ask god to build Jerusalem if it was not a good thing. I seriously can’t believe that someone pays attention to those words in Tfilla and could say its not a good thing.

How can you say there is nothing to celebrate. You ask Hashem three times a day:

“???????????????? ??????? ??????????? ????????. ?????????? ????????? ????????? ???????????. ??????? ?????? ???????? ??????????? ???????? ?????. ???????? ????? ??????? ???????? ???????:”

You ask Hashem everyday to build up Jerusalem, yet when he does it you say “What is there to celebrate?”

You are kidding right?

I’m not denying you credibility I just don’t know well enough, I suppose its close enough though

nope – a specific scenario which can chance upon anyone, theoritcaly

this ones harder

There are to things it is assur to be worried about:

1. Things you can change – because all you have to do is fix them no worries.

2. Things you can’t change – if you can’t change them – why get worked up about it?

Where in Tanach are there five consecutive two letter words? There are a few.

That is correct. If talking to Arafat were to stop killing Jews then it would have been smart to talk to him. My point is however that you can’t talk to such people. Not because of morals just because they won’t list. History has tought us this time and time again. Hitler, Stalin, Arafat, they don’t listen. Look at any time in history it just doesn’t work. But anyhow that is irrelevent to this disscussion because “Neturei Karta” as they ironicly call themselves are not going to make peace between Am Yisrael and Achmadinajad(it sounds like a joke putting peace next to his name), they are going to join him in his fight against the “Zionists”. If you don’t believe me look at their website.

I really just don’t understand how few of the people commenting on this conversation just don’t get what is wrong with this. I am probably one of the most Zionistic people I know but it just doesn’t matter and any Jew who thinks that Judaism and Zionism are not related incorrect – “Ki Mi Tzion Teitzei Torah”. You may not agree with the state but who cares. The matter of a Jewish state is a halachic issue(for the most part). Some will think we should establish it now(such as myself, although I do understand the other view) and others might think we need to wait. Eilu Veailu DIvrei Elokim Chaim. The point is Neturai Karta are Reshaim. THere is no reoson that we can’t disagree on a halachik issue but there are 613 mitzvot not 1. I agree with Satmar 612 of the Mittzvot I disagree with them on on e mitzva. okay, that’s fine – I can even have an intellectual debate about it. You cannot meet with Sonei Yisrael, or more specifically a man who is litteraly threatening every single one of our lives whenever visit Israel – namely the president of Iran, who has proxies such as Hizbulla and Hamas attacking Israel regularly. You cannot wish someone death because they think a “kdei achilas pras” is three minutes and you think it is four. you do what you think is right and he does what he thinks is right. Neturai Karta are Rodfim They are Reshaim. They want Much of klall yisrael to die. If we learned anything from WW2 its that you can not talk to evil. You cannot talk to hitler Y”SHM, you cannot talk to achmadinajad,Y”SHM or anyone who associates themselves with them. I urge you to look at their website and look what they say about the gedolei yisrael – its sickening! THEY ARE RESHAIM AND SHOULD BE KEPT IN CHEIRUM!!!