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To yankel berel
Your post is well taken. Too many of the posters are afraid to acknowledge that the Rebbe is to blame for Chabadianity. One of Rav Moshe’s grandsons told me that I was completely correct about Chabad but not about the Rebbe. I asked him why he said this and he told me that a number of people he trusts told him that the Rebbe was beyond reproach .I told him to give me those Rabbis phone numbers and I’ll set them straight. In the Yeshiva world too much emphasis is put on Torah knowledge. Yes the Rebbe was a gaon in Torah, but he rejected open Gemaras that didn’t jibe with his agenda.
To Seichel
I wake up at 4:30 in the morning and I learn for 2 and a half hours, until Shachris at 7:00. Then I learn for an hour on the train while going to work that’s 3.5 hours. I learn about 2 hours a day at my office between patients. That’s 5.5 hours. Another hour on the train going home. Finally I learn for a half hour between Mincha and Maariv. Some days it’s more than 7 some days it’s less depending on how busy I am at work. Don’t you dare call me a liar. By the way learn how to spell liar and nonsense you numb-skull. As the Gemara says, if you accuse someone of something it’s what you’re guilty of. Q.E.D you are a liar as are Ruba Druba of Lubavichers.
To Lostspark
No one said that Rabbi Shachter or any of the Rabbis on that show offered a blanket condemnation of Chabad. Rabbi Shachter said that some Lubavichers daven to the Rebbe and that’s Avodah Zarah. Then Kotlarsky had the nerve to deny that “any” Lubavicher davens to the Rebbe. I guess he wasn’t aware of the psycho Cunin who stated on YouTube that the Rebbe runs the world. Since it’s the Rebbe and not Hashem, who’s in charge, Cunin obviously davens to him. Since Krinsky and Kotlarsky refused to criticize Cunin it means they endorse him and according to Rabbi Akiva anyone who supports idolatry is an Idolater. So let’s hear you write to the group that Cunin is an idolater and should be removed from his position.
To Seichel 83
There were five questions. They are all addressed to you I only want your opinion.1. Do you believe the Rebbe was, is or will be Moshiach?
2. Do you believe that the Rebbe runs the world?
3. Do you believe that the Rebbe is physically alive or dead?
4. Do you believe that the Rebbe was/is a Novi?
5. Do you believe the Rebbe is/was god clothed in human form?To Lostspark
It’s Lichtenstein Headlines 102 1/28/17 Revisiting Chabad.
To Pekak
I study Gemara about seven hours a day and that sharpens the mind. Your expression is very strange, “I’ve never in my life been a Lubavicher.” If you’re not Chabad just say, “I’m not Chabad.” The fact they you gave such a wordy response calls to mind the Bard, “Methinks thou doth protest too much.” Yes, I’m pretty sure you’re lying. And even if you aren’t Chabad, you’re lying about Chabad not telling people to remove their shoes at the Ohel. I know because it was personally said to me and my credentials for honesty are well established.
To Lostspark
As Seichel 83 said it’s Number 102 But put in 1/28/17 and the name of the program was Revisiting our Relationship with Chabad. That should work.
To pekak
So why do you use deceit to defend them?
To Lostspark
The Rebbe’s bones are interred in 770, So what’s buried in Queens. Rav Schachter is holding pretty ignorantly if he said this. You said that you would stand for a Litvish godol. Now you call such a Godol stupid.
To Lostspark
Right. And there’s no such thing as a Lubavicher who believes that the Rebbe is god clothed in human form. This discussion has been going on for several weeks. So now you’ll listen to the podcast? I heard it when it aired. Rabbi Schachter said that many Lubavitchers daven to the Rebbe and not Hashem and that’s idolatry..Then Lichtenstein put on Kotlarsky who denied that any Lubavicher davens to the Rebbe. There used to be a commercial,”You don’t have to be Jewish to love Levy’s( bread) You don’t have to be a liar to be Chabad but it sure helps.
To Pekak
I went to the Ohel years ago and was told to remove my shoes. One of us is lying. I wonder if that’s a real Jew like me or a Lubavicher.
To skripka
They have already incorporated Islam into their religion. They lie to the infidels who don’t accept the Rebbe as their savior.
To Lostspark
Right. And there’s no such thing as a Lubavicher who believes that the Rebbe is god clothed in human form. This discussion has been going on for several weeks. So now you’ll listen to the podcast? I heard it when it aired. Rabbi Schachter said that many Lubavitchers daven to the Rebbe and not Hashem and that’s idolatry..Then Lichtenstein put on Kotlarsky who denied that any Lubavicher davens to the Rebbe. There used to be a commercial,”You don’t have to be Jewish to love Levy’s( bread) You don’t have to be a liar to be Chabad but it sure helps.
To Pekak
I went to the Ohel years ago and was told to remove my shoes. One of us is lying. I wonder if that’s a real Jew like me or a Lubavicher.
To Lostspark
So do you agree that many Lubavichers are idolaters as Rav Herschel Schachter said on the Lichtenstein program? The Rosh Yeshiva said that many Lubavichers daven to the Rebbe instead of Hashem.
To Pekak
Name one non-Chabad Jewish cemetery where one is asked to remove his shoes. Checkmate.
To Pekak
The Ohel is the only cemetery that “asks” people to remove their shoes. But I’ll accept that it’s only a Chabad minhag just like it’s only a Chabad minhag to think that your Rebbe is god. The reason Chabad wants people to take off their shoes at the Ohel is that they equate the Rebbe with Moshe Rabbeinu(R”L) Just as Moshe had to take off his boots at the Sneh so too we must follow suit.
To skripka
He was a genius, but calling him holy is highly questionable.
To Lostspark
The answer to your question is no. There’s nothing wrong with davening at the kever of a Tzaddik. But going to the Ohel is a problem because Chabad considers the Rebbe god clothed in human form. As proof people who come there must take off their shoes because it’s holy ground.
To the group
Do any Lubavitchers still keep my the 9 days? I think that the Rebbe encouraged Siyumim so that his Chasidim would imagine themselves as having already been redeemed. BTW how many of those Siyumim are Halachially valid?To Always
About 35 years ago Rabbi Dovid Hollander told me something very powerful, “Don’t try to understand a Rosho because you’re not a Rosho.” The point is that we think that all people have certain common beliefs and values, and so it’s pointless to lie, especially in an anonymous forum. You’re right that it makes no sense, but Lubavitchers are idolaters. Their entire existence revolves convincing themselves and others of their lies. So don’t be surprised by any tactic they use. Last year Menachem Shmei started a thread intended as an “open discussion” with non-Lubavichers but he ultimately realized he couldn’t convince real Jews of the Chabad garbage so he disappeared. Our mission is to speak forcefully against this scourge because too many great Rabbis make the mistake of giving Chabad tacit and sometimes outright acceptance.
To seichel
You still refuse to answer my questions. I never said that Chabad is the closest religion to Judaism.. Chabad is Christianity with some meaningless rituals thrown in
To DaMoshe
Thanks for the support. Aside from the basic insanity of being a Lubavicher Lostspark is obsessed with me. I don’t know why but frankly I don’t care.
To always
I’m surprised that you think it’s a Chiddush that Lubavitchers would lie. Their entire religion is a lie. But you’re right. To blatantly lie and think you can fool others as well as Hashem is, perhaps, worse than idolatry. I heard the program when it first aired and none of the Rabbis endorsed the idea that the Rebbe is Moshiach. I, unlike Chabad, don’t lie.To Lostspark
As I wrote earlier for the past few months I was on VIN as the whole tooth. Why that name? Because I’m a successful dentist. As for the name qwerty my son thought of it. Yes I’m also happily married. And I’ve been writing for the JP for the past 40 years. I could go on but I’m from the LES and it’s not our Mehalech to brag. It’s sad that you think that by putting me down you can justify your empty existence.As for your statement that I would stand for the Rebbe. Yes I would. Rabbi Miller said that if Eisav came into the Bes Midrash we’d all stand up for him. The Rebbe was a gaon but also a heretic and I’ll prove that with your own words. You clearly accept the Gemara as evidenced by the fact that you quoted the story about Rebbe Hakodosh. Therefore you would be forced to agree that the Rebbe is a Kofer because he rejected open teachings of the Gemara.
To the group
I recently returned to the group, but for the past several months I was doing battle on VIN. Interestingly there I had to fight Lubavitchers and mainstream Jews. The former engage in mindless name calling, but its the latter who really irk me. They refuse to accept that Lubavitchers believe the Rebbe is Moshiach and certainly the Rebbe is god clothed in human form. They maintain that there are a handful of crazies but Ruba Druba of Lubavitchers are normal.
To Lostspark
No one called the Rebbe an idolater although the Gadol Hador did call him insane. We, in this and other sites, are calling Lubavitchers who worship the Rebbe
and impute to him godlike qualifies idolaters.To Seichel
You still haven’t answered my questions. The real G-d will ask them to you at 120. If you refuse to answer you’ll get a one way ticket to spend eternity with your Rebbe.
To Yserbius
You’re absolutely right. I don’t understand why such brilliant Rabbis have anything to do with Chabad. If you shake hands with a Lubavicher he takes it as an acceptance of the Rebbe as your savior. Rav Moshe accepted Rabbeinu Tam Tefilin from Chabad. He looked at it as a Mitzvah opportunity. They brag that this constituted Rav Moshe’s acknowledgment of the Rebbe’s superiority.
To Lostspark
Right. He became Moshiach before he died, but no one knows about it.
To Menachem Shmei
I figured checkmate would bring you out of the closet. I guess CS won’t be far behind. Seichel is busy trying to decide which lie you tell.To the real Jews
I think you’ll find this interesting. When I got married I inherited my wife’s friends. One was a Chabad couple featuring a real nut job husband. They invited us for a Shabbos. It was 1991 and I knew nothing about Chabad. The guy told me that the Rebbe is Moshiach. I figured he was a crazy BT so I said that’s nice. A year later, post stroke, we were invited again. Again the host tells me the Rebbe is Moshiach. So I told him that he told me that the last time. We met at some event in 95 and he tells me the following, “The Rebbe is Moshiach. It doesn’t matter that he’s dead, because the Gemara says Moshiach can come from the dead. The Chofetz Chaim paskened otherwise, but who cares what he says.” I spoke to one of my Rabbis and he confirmed that the Chofetz Chaim did say that. A year ago I was fighting Chabad on line and I bought this point up. One psycho. Chabad answered, The Rebbe became Moshiach before he died so it’s not a contradiction to the Chofetz Chaim ‘s Psak.
To seichel
Hold your horses. Whoever says that Moshiach can come from the dead is relying on a Gemara so obviously he’s not an Apikorus. But it’s quite a jump to say that these Rabbis completely accept the Chabad belief. Even you admitted that Rav Herschel Schachter said on that show that many Lubavitchers are idolaters. Now when are you going to answer my questions you coward? I’ve got you trapped and so it’s time to say checkmate. Remember how I drove Menachem Shmei crazy with that word?
To Lostspark
Enjoy your attempts at humor. Korach also used the mocking route. Didn’t work out too well. I do not need to go to church. The Chabad shul I attend has a nice breakfast after davening on Sunday. Again. It’s not exactly a Chabad shul. The Rabbis are Chabad and the congregants are Russians who know little to nothing about Judaism. Last week one of the Russians approached me and said that Chabad is idolatry. I told him he was right and directed him to this site. Of course, I keep my mouth shut in shul for Shalom Bayis.
To seichel
What’s taking you so long to answer? No matter what lies you tell I’ll catch you. And you know it.
To DaMoshe
We can add a point to what you said. One of the reasons Shabbetai Zvi captured so many followers is that conditions were horrific for Jews at the time.e.g. Tach V’Tat
. But today we live in a goldene medina for Jews. We can live well and keep the Torah. And what does Chabad do? They threw Hashem under the bus in favor of a snake-oil salesman. Rabbi Miller said that Gehinnom is the world of regret. That’s where Korach realized he was wrong but there was nothing they could do about it. Chabad Chassidus is potentially wonderful. All they have to do is take the Rebbe out of the equationTo square _root
There’s a new phenomenon developing in CH. Lubavitchers are now saying that Rambam ‘s criteria for Moshiach no longer apply. When Lubavitchers come to the next world they’ll brag about making a yearly Siyum Rambam. They’ll discover that they get no schar for this learning because they didn’t believe in it. In addition they’ll receive no reward for any other Mitzvah because they were obeying the Rebbe and not Hashem.To Lostspark
It wasn’t Sinas Chinam when Rabbi Yaakov Sasportas spoke out against Shabbetai Zvi. And it isn’t Sinas Chinam to speak out against Chabad which is far worse.
To Seichel
Let’s put aside Lichtenstein s program. I want to know what you think. 1. Is the Rebbe physically alive? 2. Is he Moshiach? 3. Is he god clothed in human form? 4. Does he run the world? 5. Is/was he a Novi?To coffee addict
You’re absolutely right.
To Seichel
Chabad resembles Judaism in that you keep Jewish rituals. Chabad resembles Christianity because your focus is on a dead Jew rather than a Living God. Look how you twist yourself like a pretzel to try to convince yourself tand others that Rabbis outside of Chabad think that the Rebbe is Moshiach. I’ll quote one of my Rabbeinu who never criticizes Chabad or anyone because he’s a Talmid of Rav Pam. “The belief that the Rebbe is Moshiach is not part of normative Judaism.” As far your statement that distinguished Rabbis say that the Rebbe is Moshiach. There are Rabbis who will say that Moshiach can come from the dead, although the Chofetz Chaim paskened otherwise. However those Rabbis have never said the Rebbe is the dead person that the Gemara is referring to.To Lostspark
Your obsession with me is very flattering. You seem to have convinced yourself that I alone stand in the way of the Rebbe ruling the world. Halevai that a nobody like me would have such power. Take a look at the other posters. They’re all saying exactly the same things as me and many of them have been on this site for years. Yet you only focus on me. Maybe you should look at yourself and recognize that you’ve become a full fledged idolater. All the times you’ve put Tefilin on atheists will not buy Hashem ‘s forgiveness.To skripka
They’ve already advanced past the breaking point. There was someone on YWN last year who claimed to know the inner workings of Chabad(I forgot his handle.) So he said that before Gimmel Tammuz there was no suggestion in CH that Moshiach could come from the dead. Immediately after he died Chabad invented new rules. I spoke to a Lubavicher with whom I’m friendly and he confirmed what that poster said. Why can’t Chabad see how lost they are? They are idolaters. The Gemara in Avodah Zarah says that an idolater is completely consumed with his idol and so they lose all rationality.
To lostspark
Tell Schneersohn to contact me. I have a job so I can’t waste my time. Since he’s dead, he has plenty of free time on his hands.
To Lostspark
You want substance. As expressed in this and other sites, the Chabad belief system clarifies that your religion is closer to Christianity than Judaism. Can I be more blunt? BTW you’re obviously obsessed with me so maybe you should consult with your live/dead Rebbe.
To Lostspark
Send me his email address and I’ll drop him a line.To Yserbius 123
I’d like to add to your point. While there are many non-Chabad Rabbis who like Chabad, none of them accept any of Chabad ‘s claims. They don’t hold that the Rebbe is Moshiach, god clothed in human form, runs the world, is/was a Novi. Seichel says they do because they don’t criticize Chabad. Rabbi Bronstein who wrote Engaging the Essence was interviewed by Rabbi Bashevkin. He was asked about the Rebbe being Moshiach and he didn’t answer the question saying that he has no opinion on the subject, because his book is about the Rebbe’s Torah and Hashgafah.
To Lostspark
Would it be too much to ask you to say something substantive? Since you can’t you’re essentially conceding that I along with the other great posters on YWN and other sites have successfully demonstrated that Chabad is null and void as a valid representation of Judaism
To seichel
You just wrote that the Rabbis on Lichtenstein ‘s program consider those who believe that the Rebbe is god clothed in human form minim. A week ago you wrote to rightjew and told him to study Engaging the Essence so that he can understand that the Rebbe is god clothed in human form. Since you endorse the book, according to those Rabbis whom you call great you are a Min And obviously according to Hashem, G-d of the Jewish people to exclude Lubavitchers, you are an outright idolater.
To Lemayseh.
Let’s not forget what Lichtenstein did to Dr. Berger. He has Torah but his money made him forget Hashem. He can celebrate the fact that Chabad let him speak at their Kinnus Shluchim.
To seichel 83
You don’t know how they came to the conclusion that Lubavitchers daven to the Rebbe. Well maybe it’s because Lubavitchers like you say that the Rebbe is god clothed in human form. As for your insinuation that real Jews daven to Rav Aharon Kotler. That’s like the psychos who grudgingly agree that the perpetrators of 10/ 7 were terrorists and then immediately add that Netanyahu and the army are worse. As for your statement that none of the Rabbis rejected the possibility that the Rebbe is Moshiach, to the best of my recollection that question never came up. Lichtenstein just asked each Rabbi for his opinion about Chabad.
To yankel berel.
Great to have you back. When I was pilloried to last year for the crime of watching TV you came to my defense. BTW I no longer have the TV.To echadHaemes
You’re right that there’s an otherworldly quality to the Rebbe’s Torah. Clearly he wasn’t a mortal. About twenty years ago I davened in a YI which had a Chabad Rabbi. I innocently said that when I was growing up in the sixties we were told that there are 3 great Rabbis. Rav Moshe for the Yeshiva world, the Rebbe for Chasidim and Rav Soloveitchik for MO. The Rabbi heard this and went ballistic, “No Rabbi can be compared to the Rebbe. He can only be compared to other Tannaim and Neviim.” One Shabbos his son in law spoke, “People call the Rebbe the Moshe Rabbeinu of this generation but the Rebbe was much greater. Moshe had a bad temper but the Rebbe never got angry.”Thanks Lemayseh. I’d like to elaborate on what you said. Rabbi Schachter, on that program, said that many Lubavitchers daven to the Rebbe and not to Hashem and that’s idolatry. Lichtenstein had to do damage control so he bought on Kotlarsky to refute that assessment. Kotlarsky, of course, denied that any Lubavicher davens to the Rebbe. Lichtenstein then said, “So there you have it. Rabbi Moshe Kotlarsky who’s in charge of over 2,000 Mosdos in CH has categorically denied that any Lubavicher davens to the Rebbe.” Right, trust the CEO of Chabad over a world class Rosh Yeshiva. Lichtenstein will have to answer a lot of questions in the Olam Haemes.
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You seem to be implying that he wasn’t a great man whyso?
Rabbi Sacks was a great man
To DaMoshe
I can’t definitively state if they all believe it but since no one in Chabad has spoken out against this kefirah it’s safe to assume that Hashem is judging them all as Kofrim and Avodei Zarah. As for my davening in a Chabad shul I’m relying on the fact that they haven ‘t been officially excised from the teligion by the Gedolim. I do admit that I might be wrong but I can’t imagin not davening with a minyan.
To CS
You argue that the Rebbe is Nosi Hador because he influenced so many people. I’ve go a scoop for you. My wife is a follower of the Rebbe but not Chabad. She goes to the Ohel about 10 times a year because she believes in him. No she doesn’t ask me to jpin her. She hates the fact that I attack Chabad and the Rebbe but the Torah demands that you kofrim be exposed.
To yankel berel
They have irrefutable proof that he was Nosi Hador, he said so. In fact he said that every one of the seven Chabad Rebbes was Nasi Hador. Try betting that. For 250 years the greatest Jew is a Lubavicher. Talk about rigging the elections.
To the group
CS unintentionally resolved the difficulty which has been the subject of so much discussion, Moshiach coming from the dead. In fact only the Rebbe’s guf gass died but his guf dak is still alive and so he’s mot dead at all. Rather he’s hanging out at 770. This explains how he cam gey Aliyahs everyonday amd Thursday. Moreover because the Rebbe was an engineer he made the plans for the tunnels. Several years ago a Lubavicher came tp our shul and spoke at the Kiddush, “People make a mistake when they compare the Rebbe to Moshe. The Rebbe was much greater.” He explained, “The Torah says that Moshe ggot angry, but the Rebbe never got angry.” Yes CT Chabad is a normal variant of Judaism.
To CS
You should read what I wrote more clearly
I didn’t challenge the term Nasi, what I challenged is your assertion that the Rebbe was the head of all Jews. He may have been your leader but he certainly wasn’t the leader of Klal Yisrael. As for me being arrogant for calling myself doctor. That’s the title I earned and was given to me by the state of NY. Should I tell my patients to call me qwerty? You keep returning to my supposed slander. We both agree that the Rebbe called himself god clothed on human form. You choose to believe that thos is correct. I choose to believe, as do all rational Jews, that this is Kefirah.To the group
There’s an expression that was popular in my youth, “close counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.” Now, thanks to CS, we can add, and prophecies from the Rebbe.”
To the group
Could someone comment on CS’s Hebrew source?