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To Sechel
So you claim “Messiah is here” can mean different things. Nonsense. Not when the sign has a picture of that well known Kofer and Novi Sheker. Checkmate
To non-political
Your posts are so glatt. Wish you’d contribute more often. It’s time to end this stupidity and declare that the Chabad religion isn’t a valid expression of Judaism.
To coffee addict
It’s important to develop your point. There are numerous terms that are bandied about in the Torah world, Rusch Hakodesh, Siyata Dishmaya, Daas Torah. These terms are nebulous and can be loosely applied. But then we have Nevuah and this is clear cut. It means that Hashem spoke to the person and gave him a specific directive. Chabad uses the word incessantly beecause they think it can’t be challenged ie if they said he has Ruach Hakodesh we’d say that’s nice and ignore it. Again we challenge the lies and distortions of Sechel, Menachem Shmei, Nope and Manis Friedman because theirs is an attempt to remake Judaism in the image of their dead Kofer.
To Sechel
You quote Rambam that Nevuah will return in such and such year, but you fail to mention that Rambam was suggesting that in that year Moshiach would come. He made a prediction and it didn’t occur. There have been a number of such predictions that didn’t materialize. So no, Rambam didn’t make a Psak that Nevuah would return that year. Moreover Yankel berel provided the source that Nevuah will not return until Moshiach comes and every real Jew accepts it. Checkmate
To the group
Good to see you guys contributing. Clearly the Chabad religion has a belief system which is completely at odds with Judaism.
To Sechel
You believe in Pirkei Avos and in Manis Friedman. So Manis said that because of the long and bitter Golus Hashem no longer punishes sinners. According to Manis when did G-d stop punishing sinners and how did he determine that date? You believe in Rambam but you reject his criteria for establishing Moshiach. That’s like Trump saying that he respects the Constitution but he’s suspending it because there are parts he doesn’t like. You accept everything Rambam said except what he said about Moshiach because it proves that the Rebbe isn’t Moshiach
To Sechel
You state “No one in chabad says moshiach already came.” There are thousands of posters throughout NYC which state that Messiah (Moshiach) is here. Unless you think that these were posted by non-Lubavichers clearly someone in Chabad thinks the Rebbe is already Moshiach.To Sechel
I googled your question and received the following answer, “There is no explicit statement in the Gemara that Nevuah will not return until Moshiach comes however it is universally accepted that this is true.” Of course Chabad isn’t part of the universe since it’s on planet Yechida which is in a different solar system. Please provide your quote from Rambam. I’m certain that it’s another distortion. Checkmate.
To Sechel
The Amoraim didn’t say that Rebbe is Moshiach. They said that if Moshiach is from the living it is Rebbi. So you have to resort to distorting the Gemara to try and disprove Rambam. You’ve learned well from the original Christians. Waiting for your response to my post from yesterday.
To Sechel
I have a special “Three Weeks” deal for you. Answer my two questions and I’ll stop calling the Rebbe a Kofer. In fact, I’ll even apologize for having done so. The questions are, 1. If you agree with Manis Friedman why do you learn Pirkei Avos? 2. If you reject Rambam why do you make a Siyum on his work every year? Now here’s the special offer. I’ll even give you the answers to the questions. The reason you learn those things is because the Rebbe told you to but you’re not required to accept what those Rabbis said. If you agree with this answer just say I’m right and the Kofer tag goes. Of course you can give whichever answer you want but I may not accept them
To Sechel
Why do you care what I say about Mendy? If he’s Moshiach let him take care of me and if he isn’t you should do Tshuvah and return to Judaism. The fact that you and the other Lubavitchers are so obsessed with me is proof that you know I’m right. If you guys insulted a real Godol I wouldn’t get upset I would just tell you that you’re playing with fire by starting up with Hashem’s close friends. I strongly doubt that the Rebbe and Hashem get along since he became god. Lol
To Sechel
There are two Gemaras. Feel free to answer one or both. But there’s one problem with what you just said i.e. that I should do Tshuvah. I don’t understand what you mean. According to Manis Friedman no Jew can be punished so why do I have to repent?
To ARSo
You nailed it. The Chabad religion is Mendyism. He decided he’s Moshiach. He decided he’s god clothed in human form. He decided he’s the Moshe Rabbeinu Hador and the Nassi Hador He decided he’s a Novi and his sheep accept whatever he says.
To the group
Sechel writes that Chabad doesn’t reject Gemaras it just learns them differently. The Gemara says that there’s no Nevuah until Moshiach comes but Chabad disagrees. The Gemara says that one out of 300000 Jews will be redeemed by Moshiach but Chabad disagrees. Rambam says that we won’t know Moshiach ‘s identity until he has fulfilled his mission, but Chabad disagrees. Many years ago I read an article in the Jewish Week by some deformed Rabbi. He said the following, “I’m a Rabbi and Maimonides is a Rabbi. Who says his opinion is more valid than mine?” Congratulations Sechel you now admit that Chabad is a Reform Movement as you reject the Rambam as well as Gemaras whose Pshat have been universally accepted for almost 2000 years. No I have no fear of calling Schneerson what he is a lying Kofer. And my Rabbis agree with me. Checkmate.
To Sechel
I liked your point and so I’ll ask a follow-up question, “If Moshiach isn’t the Rebbe will you accept him?”
To yankel berel
I was just using a hypothetical argument. Obviously there is no possibility that a lying Kofer like Schneerson could ever be Moshiach.
To GadolHadofi
Chabad has its own spin on the Rebbe’s death. According to some Lubavichers Moshiach can’t come from the dead. Those Lubavichers say he’s still alive. Others hold that zMoshiach can come from the dead and so they say he died. We should ask Sechel if the Chabad Rabbonim issued a Pack on this matter. Probably they’re waiting for the Rebbe to answer them with the Igros.
To the group
About ten years ago I heard Rabbi Daniel Mechanic speak. He had recently been in Hollywood and had the chance to meet Larry David, Jason Alexander and the late Kirk Douglas. He tried to be Mikarev them with the following approach, “*Either you’re right or I’m right. If you’re right so I never got to eat shrimp. If I’m right you’re losing out on Olam Habo.” The same argument can be used with Chabad. If they’re right so when Schneersohn comes back to life I’ll accept him. But if we’re right they have no Cheillek in Olam Habo. The fact that they can’t answer the simple questions we ask them is proof that we’re right. As for the contention that Schneersohn was a Torah giant. So we’re Yoshka and Shabbetai Tzvi. Checkmate.
To ARSo
The Rebbe invented Moshiach Hador, Moshe Rabbeinu Hador and Nassi Hador. Of course, all three had to be Chabad. He was an inveterate liar.
To ARSo
The Rebbe invented Moshiach Hador, Moshe Rabbein u Hador. Interestingly all three had to be Chabad. What a worthless liar.
To the group
Tunabeigel writes, “If I said about Rav Shach and Rav Chaim Kanievsky what Qwerty613 said about the Rebbe would it be printed?” This is Lubavich logic. There’s nothing that can be said that’s negative about Rav Shach Rav Chaim or any other Godol or Admor. But in the case of Schneerson the fact is that he was a Kofer. Was he a genius? Most definitely but so was Spinoza. Mendy rejected fundamental principles of the Torah and so we must tell it like it is. He was, as my Rav said such a Baal Gaavah that he convinced himself that he’s god.
To ARSo
Thank you so much for your last post. Last year Menachem Shmei appealed to the moderators to shut me up. The fact that Chabad is obsessed with me means I’m doing my job well. If you’ll note Tunabeigel wrote that Schneerson is the best candidate to be Moshiach. I’ve heard that argument used on two other occasions by other Lubavitchers. That think that becoming Moshiach is like winning an election. That is just like someone will be elected Mayor so too for Moshiach. In fact Moshiach will be the person who meets Rambam’s criteria and so this nonsense of the best candidate for Moshiach is a rejection of Rambam which is further proof that Lubavitchers are Kofrim. I think we are now officially friends again.
To yankel berel
Kudos for your outstanding post. Of course you’re right that I don’t consider Lubavitchers as literal idolaters. They can’t be officially in that category until our Poskin rule that way. This said, Artscroll states that idolaters are slavishly obsessed with their idols. Does that not describe the Lubavitchers on YWN and VIN. When I cited Cumin who said that the Rebbe runs the world, did any Lubavicher say he’s crazy or we disagree with him? Absolutely not. Instead they defended him. And now that Manis the Kofer has declared that no Jew can be punished no matter what he does Sechel farenfers him. So let’s just say that Chabad is very close to being idolaters and that’s not a good place to be.
To yankel berel
You’re rational and so you’re assuming that the Lubavitchers are also rational but that’s not so. Sechel and Menachem Shmei and Nope can’t digest what we’re telling them because it runs a foul of their entire existence. Sechel is now playing the stupid attack QWERTY game hoping he can find adherents. For me this thread is not about rehabilitating Chabad. There is no hope for them. My objective is to get the fools on the fence like Yaakov Yosef A to wake up. I know that’s not easy. My son fights with me about Chabad. He refuses to believe how sick they are and I know it’s because he attends a Chabad shul on Shabbos. When I presented clear cut evidence that the Rebbe convinced himself that he’s Moshiach when he was three, he grudgingly accepted it. I have no problem going to a Chabad shul. I know that the Rabbis are probably idolaters but they’re very nice. For me it’s just a place to get a minyan, but most people who deal with them become influenced.
To yankel berel
You got post 770. I hope that’s not a bad sign. Just Kidding. Leave Sechel alone. He looks like he’s on the verge of a breakdown.
To none2.0
You sound like the Lubavitchers I used to debate on VIN. Every group thinks their Rebbe is Moshiach. Every group thinks he’s a Novi. Every group thinks he’s god. No only Chabad says these things about it’s Rebbe.
To Sechel
I see that you learned two things from Nope your Rebbe. First, to hurl meaningless accusations a me. Second you refuse to answer my questions. But I don’t forget them. So I’ll repeat, Since Lubavitchers don’t believe in punishment why do you study Pirke Avos? This second question is a new one. Since your dead Kofer shut down Gehinnom why do you clowns say Kaddish for your loved ones? Of course we have the 3rd question, “If you don’t believe in Rambam why do you study him?”
To the group
Menachem Shmei, Nope and CS disappeared when they realized that no one is buying their garbage. Sechel , however, won’t give up. As I’ve clearly demonstrated Schneerson was a Kofer for rejecting the Gemara which said that there is no Nevuah until Moshiach comes and for rejecting the Gemara which says that only one out of 300000 Jews will be redeemed by Moshiach. These are the simple facts that every real Jew accepts. Sechel is part of a religion started by that dead Kofer so he has a different point of view.
To the group
Many years ago Rabbi Dovid Hollander told me, “Don’t try to understand a Rosho because you’re not a Rosho.” Sage advice but if you train yourself you can get into the head of a Rosho. Many non isobservant Jews ask how one can believe in Hashem after the Holocaust. The answer is simple. I believe in Hashem but I don’t understand Hashem. The same applies to Chabad. You can’t ask them any questions because they consider Schneerson God and so he can reject what the Torah says because he transcends the Torah.
To ARSo
I mentioned in an earlier post how Chabad dismissed Rav Shach and Dr. Berger. They take it one step further with regard to Rabbi Deutsch. They ignore whatever he wrote by saying that Rabbi Deutsch wanted to be the next Rebbe and therefore he made up lies about the Rebbe.
To Sechel
I’m sure you’re aware that logical arguments fall on Lubavitchers deaf ears. The Christian belief that J is the son of God is accepted by billions. Is the Chabad belief any less insane? Schneerson had a dream when he was 3 years old that he became the ruler of the world. Many Rabbis explain that all other religions begin with a single individual who claims to have had a Divine visitation. In contrast, all the Jewish nation heard the first 2 Commandments directly from Hashem. That’s why we know that our religion is true and the others including Schneerson’s latest are false.
To Sechel
Your sources are unimpeachable. I’m impressed. Clearly you believe in the veracity of the Gemara as well you and all Jews should. Here’s the problem. Your Rebbe rejected two open Gemaras. One says that there is no Nevuah until Moshiach arrives. Second the Gemara which says that only 2 of 600000 Jews will be redeemed by Moshiach. Why do you agree with your Rebbe when he rejects the Gemara, but you accept all the other Gemaras? Checkmate
To the group
Notice how Sechel just dismissed Rabbi Deutsch’s book..This is straight out of the Chabad playbook. When Rav Shach called the Rebbe a nut job he was angry because in 1951 he tried to get a position as a Rebbe in a Chabad Yeshiva and he was rejected. As for Dr. Berger, the story they invented was that he was a failed academic and needed a book to be published to get tenure. They’ll say anything to avoid dealing with the truth.To Sechel
Details about Yoshka are unclear and so I reserve comment. Many years ago Rav Reuvein Feinstein told me that his father told him that the Jews killed J, but the Goyim think it was the Romans. I shared this with a Rav who’s an expert in history and he said it’s not true so I’m not sure. The point is that to find out the truth one must find reliable sources. Unfortunately, you rely on Chabad sources and that’s why you’re all messed up. Everyone in Chabad including the Rebbe lies. Years ago I met Rabbi Shaul Shimon Deutsch and he told me the truth about Chabad. He told me that he had to leave CH because he was receiving death threats for telling the truth.
To yankel berel
At this point Sechel is just throwing out whatever nonsense comes into his “head” hoping something will stick. Menachem Shmei saw that the fight is over and so he’s in hiding. Nope thought he could get someone to side with him in his campaign to malign me but it didn’t work so he also bowed out. This week’s Jewish Press features an essay by Rabbi Moshe Taragin who a Chabad loving YU guy. He wrote about the important role that the belief in Moshiach plays in Judaism and credited Schneerson for bringing the subject to light. Unfortunately he’s not honest enough to acknowledge that Chabad will never accept the real Moshiach.
To Sechel
According to Rabbi Manis Friedman both types are perfect Tzaddikim because no Jew can be punished due to the long exile. And you agree with him. Therefore if I say and,/or suggest terrible things about your Rebbe/god nothing can happen to me. Isn’t that correct? Checkmate.
To the group
Rabbi Miller made it a point that neither Yushka nor his disciples ever suggested that he was a Novi, but Schneerson took that title for himself and his predecessor.
To yankel berel
The fact that we’re discussing Yeshu in a thread about Chabad speaks volumes. Unfortunately people don’t want to see the obvious parallels.
To yankel berel
Is it true that Schneerson married Rebbetzin Chaya Mushka knowing she was sterile because a deal was made for him to become Rebbe?
To yankel berel
I defer to you because you obviously have a wealth of knowledge about Chabad. All I know is from the experiences that I’ve had with Lubavitchers. I appreciate your input. I know that you’re reliable and I learn a lot from you.
To Sechel
Are you actually saying that you would consider following J? Judaism declared Christianity idolatry and that wouldn’t bother you. I can’t say that I’m surprised. If you believe in one dead Jewish god why not believe in a second one.
To the group
Nope is surprisingly quiet. You should have seen him on VIN. He matched me word for word. But it’s different here for him. His lies and distortions don’t work because he knows that there are people who will challenge him. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
To yankel berel
Are you saying that Christians realize what Chabad is doing or are you saying that they’ll realize it in the future?
To yankel berel
To your point, I have a patient who was a Ben Bayis by the Noviminsker Rebbe ZTL for many years. He told me that the Noviminsker attended Schneerson ‘s installation as Rebbe in 1951 and he described it as a coronation. Right now Nope will insist that I provide the name of the patient and a signed letter from the Noviminsker attesting to this statement. When I said that Nope is Chutzpadik I meant that he’s an admitted Meisis and he still has the nerve to impugn my integrity.
To the group
Sechel just came up with a powerful Rashi. I guess I’ll have to renounce my belief in Hashem. Now Nope is excited. He’s going to demand that I make a video in which I swear that I no longer believe in the Ribono Shel Olam and send it to him. Oh. Too bad I lost his contact information. Can someone tell him to send it to me again. Lol.
To Nope
Congratulations. You convinced Sechel that I’m a liar. Now comes the hard part, convincing actual Jews.
To ARSo
Chazal teach that a wise person learns from everyone so I’ll take your advice and drop the menace label.
To Sechel
You’re missing my point. It’s one thing to be Dan Likaf Zchus someone who doesn’t keep Shabbos or eat kosher. On the other hand, when someone hurts another person intentionally he doesn’t get a pass. Is that too hard for you to understand?
To the group
My father AH liked to tell this joke, “What’s the definition of Chutzpah? Someone kills his father and mother and then asks the court for mercy because he’s an orphan.” Well we now present Nope who takes that several steps further. In the thread he mentioned above about Religious Zionism Nope admitted that he not only tried to convince me to be Mechallel Yom Kippur but he urged me to take a video of myself eating treif on that day and to send it to him for his viewing delight. This is an example of his depravity. And now he hopes to “prove” that I’m a liar so the posters will reject my comments. Last year Menachem Shmei begged the moderators not to print my posts. Now this. Chabad and it’s acolytes are deathly afraid of me. I take that as a compliment. It means that my message is coming through. Oh yeah Checkmate.
To the group
Nope is correct in stating that Rabbi Feldman didn’t call Me ace a Kofer, rather he stated that his statements were heretical. So we’ll focus on the statements. One the belief that G-d has human attributes, to be precise as per Menace, “G-d d needs us more than we need him.” Then we have Menace statement that G-d sounds like a monster for creating sins and getting angry at man for committing them. Finally we have the statement from Menace that no person can be punished no matter what he does because of the bitter exile. According to Rabbi Feldman these statements are heresy, but Nope does not accept what Rabbi Feldman said because he believes that Rabbi Feldman was obligated to call Menace and ask him to explain what he meant. The problem with that suggestion is that Rabbi Efren Goldberg interviewed Menace and asked him how he could say that G-d has needs and Menace said that this is his opinion and he won’t change it. Checkmate.
To yankel berel
Yo reference the Dvar Malchus of 5751 but I think that the Rebbe’s plans go much farther back. We’re constantly told that when he was beginning Cheder he had a vision of Moshiach. I think that it was at that point he decided he was destined to rule the world.
To ARSo
Beautifully said. Menace isn’t a Kofer because Rabbi Feldman said he is, he’s a Kofer because he wants to change a fundamental principle of Judaism. I’d like to apologize for the things I said to you last year. Please be Mochel me. We’re on the same team and our “Coach” is Hashem’s Torah.
To Nope
I’d like to thank you for telling the truth. You’re more than welcome to join the discussion. And I don’t mind if you use your tactics on me. They keep me on my toes.
To yankel berel
I wouldn’t worry about being called an Apikorus by Chabad. Menace said that no Jew can be punished anymore.
To Sechel
You didn’t answer my question but that’s all right. I’ll address your comment. According to Menace no Jew can be punished today because Hashem is merciful. Okay, so we have a Rabbi in a Yeshiva who’s a serial child molester. According to Menace Hashem won’t punish him because He’s merciful. But what about the victims? Why isn’t Hashem merciful to them? Checkmate.
To Sechel
I have a serious question. I know that Chabad “learns” Pirkei Avos so how do you understand Mishna 3:1 in which Aka ya Ben Mehallalel says, Know three things and you won’t come to sin?” The third thing is that a person has to give Din VCheshbon when he leaves the world. So do you reject this also?
To yankel berel and non-political
It looks like our work is done with regard to demonstrating that the entire Chabad religion is a house of lies. What must be done next is to reach out to Jews who are on the fence. Most people are all or nothing that is they love or hate Chabad. As evidenced by the fact that I Daven in a Chabad shul I take a middle approach. I recognize and appreciate the good that Chabad does but I can’t ignore it’s idolatry. When I showed up Yaakov Yosef A quickly left the thread saying farewell with the perfunctory Refuah Shleimah. Such Jews are afraid of the truth and it’s very hard to reach them.
To yankel berel
Your point that they hide the fact that they have a different belief system is spot on. They do this because their ultimate goal is to rule all Jews. Obviously if they announced that they no longer accept Rambam or the Gemara that would force the foolish Rabbis who praise Chabad to abandon them. Therefore Sechel has to try to make it sound like Menace isn’t a Kofer but of course he is.
To Sechel
Rabbi Feldman is a Godol and so he learned far more Torah than Menace the Maniac. Please provide a source for Menaces’s contention that Schar Veonesh would stop applying after 2000 years of Golus. Is it in the Shulchan Aruch? Is it in the Gemara? No the Kofer made it up just like the Kofer Schneerson made up that all Jews will be redeemed by Moshiach. The most appropriate name for your false religion is Koferism.
To Sechel
So you’re saying that you know more than a Godol Israel. Is that correct?
To Sechel
Why do you care about what Rabbi Feldman said? When you tell us that the Chabad Rabbis made a Psak real Jews don’t care. Your Rabbis aren’t our Rabbis and our Rabbis aren’t your Rabbis. And that’s why you can reject what Rambam said. What you guys like to do you is cherry pick statements from Chazan that seem to support your agenda. That’s exactly what the Christians did. It’s a free country. You can believe what you want, but no real Jew accepts those beliefs.