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To Sechel

According to your “logic” the Sages of the Gemara were Kofrim when they said that there won’t be Nevuah until Moshiach arrives. Second point. Let’s say we accept your thesis that Manis Friedman meant that Hashem only gives the mildest punishments today, how would he know that? Are you saying that he’s also a Novi?

To Sechel

Apparently u saw the video, since u know what he said. I’ll repeat it, “Because of the long exile no Jew can be punished no matter what he does.” So you say he was exaggerating. Maybe the Friedeger was exaggerating when he said that religious Zionism is Kefirah. Maybe Rabbi Cumin was exaggerating when he said the Rebbe runs the world. I understand that you want to defend these people because you’re Chabad but I have to assume that they mean what they say especially because I have heard other Lubavitchers say similar things.

To somejewiknow

I thank you for your rapid response to my question. That’s menschlich something that Shmei and certain others know nothing about. This said your answer was disingenuous. I’ll accept the first part but not the second and I’ll explain. Let’s examine the first part. Yes Zionism was a secular anti-Torah movement. Well, it logically follows that those who are not secular nor anti-Torah are not Zionists. This excludes all the people you are railing against including yours truly. You then throw in that Zionism today means anyone who wants the State of Israel to exist. That’s not a definition. It’s your biased opinion. I’ll offer a Moshol. Rabbi Miller said that anyone with a TV in his house has no Cheilek in Olam Habo. He then “proves” it. The Mishna in Cheilek says that those who study Seforim Chitzonim have no Cheilek in Olam Habo and Rabbi Miller defines Seforim Chitzonim as TV. So he gave a definition to fit his opinion. That’s called self serving Torah and it’s garbage and that’s exactly what you’re presenting. According to the second half of your definition one must wish for the destruction of the State of Israel
So it follows that you Daven that the Iranian bombs kill as many “sonei Yisrael” as possible. Am I right?

To Yaakov Yosef

I respect your point of view. In fact I was in Shul this past Shabbos and the Rabbi pleaded with us not to speak any Loshon Hora and so I understand the gravity of the subject. This said Rabbi Friedman’s Kefirah can’t be ignored. There is only so far that you can play the Tinok Shenishba card. Several months ago I had an argument on VIN with this liar who tried to convince me that Alan Dershowitz was a Tinok Shenishba despite the fact that he knowingly walked away from Judaism at 29. Hashem s seal is Emes. When Rabbi Friedman stated that one can eat a pork sandwich on Yom Kippur and nothing will happen to him that’s beyond the pale. And don’t play the Litvish game. I’m a Chossid on both sides although now my Hashkahfa is closer to Litvish. Be modeh on the Emes. Let’s discuss this further. If you make valid points I’ll acknowledge them.

To coffee addict

I don’t think it will shut down so quickly because the posts have been less vitriolic than in the past. One thing hasn’t changed of course. Chabad has been proven to be a false religion led by a false Messiah/god.

To the group

True to form Menachem Shmei has not answered my question. I’ll repeat it. He correctly stated that the Rebbe was stridently anti-Zionist. The question is, “So what?” According to Rabbi Manis Friedman who presumably follows the Rebbe’s shitah no Jew can be punished. So even if the Rebbe held that Zionism is Kefirah there would be no consequences. It’s like the Torah saying that if one dies x, y, or z he gets Kareis. So according to Chabad Kareis doesn’t apply today. Checkmate.

To Menachem Shmei

There’s an obvious question that emerges from your latest post. We know from the Friedeger Rebbe’s letter that he held that all Zionists are Kofrim. And we know that a Kofer has no Cheilek in Olam Habo. You then state that the Rebbe was even more ardently anti-Zionist than his predecessor. This would imply that he also held that all Zionists are Kofrim. However Rabbi Manis Friedman said that no Jew, even the worst sinner imaginable, can be punished. I’ll give you the opportunity to respond before using my calling card.

To the group

Hi I’m back. Thanks Yankel Berel for making me aware of this thread. The issue of Chabad’s view of Zionism is interesting but this is more in my wheelhouse. I was told by someone very close to Rabbi Deutsch that he left CH and moved to BP because of the death threats he was receiving.

To yankel berel

You should know by now that Shmei selectively answers questions. He’s a propagandist.

To ujm

The Gemara says that the gestation period of a snake is seven years, but the fact is that it’s between 3 and 9 months. What do you say about that?

To yankel berel

Thanks for clarifying the difference between Halachic and Aggadic Kefirah. You’re correct that people conflate the two.

To Menachem Shmei

I agree with you that the Chabad stance is still anti-Zionist. Years ago I organized a charity event for victims of Israeli terrorism. The Rabbi of the shul is Chabad, but the shul itself was, at the time, MO. I wanted to begin the program by having a Chazan sing Hatikvah. The Rabbi went ballistic that Zionism is Kefirah so I took it out.

To someJew.

You’re making a mistake in labeling all those who support Israel as Zionists. In fact, there are 3 categories. Zionists who may be religious or anti-,religious. anti-Zionists like yourself
But then there are Jews like yours truly who simply care for Acheinu Bes Yisroel including those in Israel. Let’s try to discuss this point instead of engaging in name-calling.

To yankel berel

Can you explain your comment about 3.0? I don’t know how to respond to it.

To ujm

Do you accept every statement made be every Rabbi? And if not, how do you decide which Rabbi to trust? Checkmate.

To yankel berel
I don’t understand what you’re asking. Please clarify. I’ll gladly respond.

To ujm

There are two answers to your statement. First, contemporary Rabbis are not Tannaim and Amoraim. Second, the Talmud says that the sun revolves around the earth. Do you believe that? Statements made by Chazal are not always to be accepted as is. I’m not qualified to explain how to determine what’s to be taken literally and what isn’t but arriving at the truth requires more than simply regugitating what you heard in Yeshiva or from some Rabbi

To some Jew

I understand and respect your viewpoint, but I disagree with it. There are Gedolim on both sides of the fence on this issue. If you choose to remain anti-Zionist I won’t try to change your mind, but I am certainly not interested in what some Rabbi said 125 years ago.

To KGN

I fully endorse your position. YU is routinely attacked because Rabbi Gifter ZTL made negative comments about the institution 80 years ago. The State of Israel exists and we must support it. That the original Zionists were anti-Torah had no bearing on the current situation.

To Nope

My source said he wants to see your quote from the Steipler that someone who intentionally rejects the religion is deemed a Tinok Shenishba and isn’t punished.

To Philosopher

Now you get a glimpse into Shmei’s duplicity. He claims not to have read the book yet he accuses me of distorting what the author wrote. He said that Abraham’s first nine tests weren’t tests.Rashi and Rambam and others have lists of the ten tests, but Posner disagrees with them. He holds that Avrohom was just being a nice guy. As for Posner ‘s statement that only Chabad cares about other Jews. Sorry he was not just praising Chabad he was putting down all other Frum Jews. One of the Chabad Rebbes said that one doesn’t elevate himself by putting others down. But Chabad even insults the Avos. They have no “Sheim”. Pun intended.

To the group

Some may be wondering how I can insult Rabbi Posner given the principle, “mir rett Nish oif em todt.” I’ll explain. Zalman Posner was a prolific Chabad writer . One of his books is called “Why Be Jewish?” It’s a very well written series of essays. In one such piece he discusses the Akeidah and states that it was the only test that Abraham passed because the other nine were just examples of Abraham being a nice guy. This is paf for the Chabad course. You will recall the Chabad fellow who said that the Rebbe was much greater than Moshe Rabbeinu. We have another principle called Al Pi Shnayim. So let me share another except from the book. This chapter is called “,Why Be Chabad?” Posner begins as follows, “There are 2 types of Orthodox Jews. The first are careful with Kashrus, Shabbos etc however they have no interest in any Jew outside of their immediate circle. We call such Jews insulated. In contrast we have Chabad who are the only Jews who understand and practice the concept of Kol Yisrael Areivim Zeh Lozeh.” Consider that. A respected Chabad Rabbi spewing calumnies against all non Chabad religious Jews. And even denigrating our Avos. Such were the teachings of the Rebbe. To convince his followers that they were the Master Race of Judaism. Now Shmei can try to lie his way out of this one, but we’re still waiting for him to answer the question that checkmated Chabad over a month ago.

To the group

Many or all of you have probably seen the cards that Chabad gives out supposedly to gentiles so that they’ll keep the Noahide laws..Last week I found a different card. Same size same picture of .Mendy. The message was as follows, “This is your long awaited savior. A prophet chosen by G-d to redeem the Jewish people.” This is Christianity Mamash. When I refer to Shmei as the primordial serpent I mean exactly what I say. His mission, as he sees it, is to steal Jewish Neshomas. In this thread he captured the two anal polyps. This is real. He won’t start with me. Right now Philosopher is the target for Yimach Shmei.

To Philosopher

I think you’ll find this interesting. There’s a Lubavicher named Yossi Farro who has made a name for himself by putting Tefilin on rich and famous Mechallels. He recently announced his newest target, Larry David of Seinfeld and Curb fame. When David heard about this he said he’d never do it but now there seems to be a possibility that if they meet his price he’ll consider it. This story is on VIN now. As you would imagine people expressed their opinion of that ausvorf until a Chabadsker shows up to declare that Mr. David is a holy yid and no one can criticize him because every Mechallel today is a Tinok Shenishba. I asked that fellow the following, “Is Alan Dershowitz a Tinok Shenishba?” I explained that he was recently.interviewed by Zev Brenner and said that when he was 29 and his 2 kids were born he decided to completely divorce himself from the religion. The guy said that according to the Steipler even Dershowitz is a Tinok Shenishba. The point is that Schneersohn announced that no sinner can ever be punished and so they make up any and everything to cover his Kefirah. Shicklegruber wanted to eliminate Jews. His Talmid Schneersohn wanted to eliminate Judaism.

To Philosopher
Many things are taught in Cheder and Yeshiva which we learn aren’t “true” as we get older and more intellectually sophisticated. It’s generally accepted that the six days of Creation isn’t literal. Other than followers of the Rebbe and Rabbi Miller this concept has fallen out of favor. And I’ve spoken to very big people who have confirmed that it’s not a viable position.So why do they teach six days in Cheder? It’s because children haven’t developed the scientific background to appreciate such nuances. So we teach them the “simple” Pshat and let them understand the truth as they develop. Unfortunately some people never develop and so they still think in their later years that Yaakov Lo Meis is meant to be taken literally

To Philosopher

This new edition of the Three Stooges is trying to escape the fact that they’ve been checkmated. Our goal was to demonstrate that Chabadianity isn’t Judaism and we succeeded. Case closed. They can talk about Yaakov Lo Meis fin hant biz morgen. It doesn’t change the fact that Chabad is dead on YWN.

To Philosopher

It’s worth noting that no one commented on my Moshol regarding Eliyahu Hanovi. Now every frum Jew knows that he comes to every bris and to every Seder. But why don’t we see him? Parshas Nitzavim provides the answer, “Nigleh is for us and Nistar is for Hashem.” We have to know and follow Halacha. The esoteric is light years beyond us. Can we suggest answers? Absolutely but to try and reduce these statements into bitesize pieces is not only impossible but si hut nisht kein Yiddishe Taam. And the physical world brings a very powerful Moshol. We know that there are sounds and sights that humans can’t hear or see. Hashem is telling us that we can’t know everything. I generally don’t address my comments to the low-lives except when I want to shtuch them because they’re already in Gehinnom in this world.

To Benedict ARSo

I hate to burst your bubble but I went to Yeshiva for 12 years MTJ. However I failed to learn at that time. It was my fault. I was very good in secular studies and didn’t think that learning would be part of my life. Here’s the problem with your grandiose statements. According to you only someone who spent years in Cheder Yeshiva is qualified to offer Torah thoughts. As I mentioned one of my Rabbis is a BT. He went from Mechallel Shabbos Wall St. banker to an Ilui and I don’t use that term very often. According to you the Lubavitcher Rebbe isn’t fit to be involved in Halachic discourse since he never went to formal Yeshiva. The point is that there’s no one size fits all in Judaism. There have been Geirim who became Gedolei Yisrael. So what is needed? Intellectual honesty. The ability to consider another point of view other than your own. How often do the Tannaim and Amoraim shlug up kasha’s on their opponents because they’re not looking to win. Rather they’re seeking the truth something that bullies like you and the Minuval know nothing about. Too bad you won’t read this .You might learn something. But then again as you said you know more than all Rabbis. Yes that sounds like something Rav Moshe would say.NOT.

To Philosopher

I think that you accidentally stumbled on the root cause of the Minuval and Benedict ARSo ‘s antipathy. I joined YWN in July 2023. At that time there were several anti-Lubavichers doing battle with Shmei and others but they were getting nowhere. I showed up and, like you, used the straightforward approach, to wit, Chabadianity is not Judaism. Instead of appreciating my posts I was castigated until yankel berel came to my defense. There are at least two reasons even the supposed anti-Lubavichers despise me. One is that I’m effective and they had no idea how to deal with the primordial serpent. Second I’m not yeshivish and they’ve bought the malarkey that only a Gemara Kup can win arguments. I think they dislike you because we’re on the same side. The only side. Hashem’s side.

To Philosopher

Every time either of those two clowns makes a comment they reinforce what Mark Twain said, “When you keep your mouth shut I only think you’re stupid, etc.” This nonsense that one needs to go to a yeshiva to learn how to think is an absolute joke. One of my Rebbeim is a total ilui. He’s a Baal Tshuvah. He gave up a big career on Wall Street to devote himself to learning. I don’t know when he became Frum, but few people know as much as he does and he’s among the nicest people I’ve ever met. Initially I thought that this thread pitted pro and anti-Chabad but that’s not what evolved. There are two sides. those who believe in Hashem and those who don’t. Obviously Shmei doesn’t believe in Hashem because he’s Chabad, but the same is true for the pair of anal polyps. Hashem’s seal is Emes but they lie through their teeth (pun intended.) They have no fear of what Hashem will do to them But one day they will find out and it will be too late.

To Philosopher

I’m glad to see that you’re standing up for yourself but it’s a waste of time because Benedict ARSo and the Minuval zennen umenschem (pardon my poor command of Yiddish). Boruch Hashem we’ve as accomplished the main point which is to expose Chabad as a false religion. I would like to add a point to the discussion of Yaakov Lo Mes. Now we “know” that Eliyahu Hanovi comes to every Bris. What does that mean? Who knows? What does Yaakov Lo Mes mean? Who knows? What we know is that the Rebbe can’t be compared to Biblical figures or to Neviim and Tannaim etc. He’s just a dead Rabbi case closed.