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To philosopher
I’d like to elaborate on what you wrote about Chabad and hell. In the video in which Manis says that no Jew can be punished today because of the long, bitter Golus he also referenced hell, “I’m not afraid of hell. Christians are afraid of hell.” Then someone in the audience made a joke, “But in Boro Park they’re afraid of hell.” He and Manis then both had a good laugh implying that Boro Parkers are fools. Rabbi Miller has a beautiful word on the subject of Gehinnom. He said that it’s the world of regret, where a person will recognize all the mistakes he made and the opportunities he wasted. We have this nut job Friedman, along with clowns like LA boy who adore him. They’re daring Hashem to do something to them. Everything is written down. We’ll see who laughs in the end.
To philosopher
Thank you for responding to the new fool on the block. He’s trying to “catch” me now. Paul McCartney wrote, “Life is very short and there’s no time for fussing and fighting my friend.” If LA boy wants to be a Chabad lover that’s his right. I don’t care. I’m just here to set the record straight. My allegiance is to Hashem. If this dummy wants to support an idolatrous religion Gezunterheit. Baruch Hashem there are a number of clear minded thinkers on YWN and it’s to them that I’ll address my comments. This phony liar claims not to know who’s in charge of Chabad. It was Krinsky and Kotlarsky but the latter died. So why hasn’t Krinsky ever issued a public statement disavowing any and all of Chabad’s outrageous claims? Shtikah Kihodaah. Don’t waste your time with that lowlife. Some people have no interest in the truth, and you can’t get through to them.
To LA boy
Manis Friedman is arguably the most famous Chabad Rabbi in the world and therefore your attempt to marginalize him is fooling no one. Moreover, the Chabad leadership refuses to denounce him which implies that they agree with him. And then we have Shlomo Cunin who publicly stated that it’s the Rebbi and not Hashem who runs the world. Again, the Chabed brass are silent. But we shouldn’t be surprised that Manis is a Kofer since the Rebbe was also a Kofer as he rejected the Gemara in Cheilek which said that only 1/300,000 Jews will be redeemed by Moshiach. As for you intimation that I dismiss all Chabd as irrelevant. That’s simply a lie. They serve valuable functions, providing Kosher meals and minyanim for travelers, and reaching out to the disenfranchised. My point, and the others on YWN agree, is that their propaganda that they are the face of Judaism is nonsense. An atheistic, idolatrous religion cannot be the vanguard. Checkmate.
To Shimon Nodel
Make aliyah if you’re so worried about the future. Why are you hocking us in cheinig?
To rescue
Sadly, you write like an angry schoolboy who can’t get a date for the prom, but I’ll respond to your post as if you actually asked a lucid question. There are several basic differences between those, like yours truly, who criticize Chabad, and your nasty rants. First, neither I nor Yankel Berel nor philosopher has ever expressed any personal antipathy for Lubavitchers. As I’ve stated on numerous occasions, I daven regularly in a Chabad shul and have been doing so for more than a decade. We criticize only Chabad’s deviations from legitimate Judaism. You, on the other hand, have never said anything nice about what you call Litvish Judaism. Here’s a newsflash, neither I nor philosopher, nor yankel berel (I think) are Litvish. I agree with you that there are Yeshivish people who are dogmatic and others who are obsessed with materialism. I don’t blame you for finding fault with them, I don’t like many of them either. However, they are not Kofrim as are Lubavitchers. We have proven this point countless times. There’s a major difference between having bad character and between rejecting the philosophical underpinning of our religion. That you can’t see this reflects very poorly on you. I have no problem discussing matters with you, but if you simply want to make grandiose statements to boost your ego, then find someone else to talk to. As Paul McCartney wrote, “Life is very short and there’s no time for fussing and fighting my friend.”
To philosopher
You’re correct that Chabad Kiruv is essentially worthless. As an aside, almost all Kiruv is a waste of time and money. The reason we hear so much about it is because many superrich Jews think it’s a noble way to spend their Tzedakah money, but that’s not the point I want to make. The question we should consider is why Hashem gave His Haskama to all these Chabad Houses. One answer, no one has a right to suggest that he knows exactly why Hashem does anything, is because when the Mechallels that Chabad reaches out to come to the next world at 120 Hashem will ask them why they didn’t eat Kosher, as an example. They’ll answer, “How was I supposed to know about Kosher, my parents weren’t religious?” Hashem will say to them, “Didn’t you attend your Chabad Rabbi’s Purim Party?” They’ll answer yes. Then Hashem will nail them, “Didn’t the Rabbi offer to come and Kasher your home and do it for free?” They’ll have no choice but to answer yes and then Hashem will say checkmate and show them the down elevator. Always Ask wrote on February 26 that total non-observance makes one a Tinok Shenishba. That is not only a lie it’s absolute Kefirah. Only Hashem can decide who is a Tinok Shenishba. To “pasken” otherwise puts one in the same category as Manis Friedman who decided that a Jew can eat a ham and cheese sandwich on Pesach, on pumpernickel, and nothing will happen to him. “Always,” always finds some Rabbi to quote out of context and so he’ll cite the Chazon Ish, but we must know what he meant and when it can be applied, but again, Tinok Shenishba is not a get out of jail free card.
Now let me share my story. I went to Yeshiva for 12 years and in that time perhaps I learned for 12 days. That I now learn about 7 hours a day is Mamash a Nes. I will attribute it to three factors. First, Zchus Avos. My mother, AH, told me that on my father’s side I descend from great Galitziyaner Rebbes, including perhaps, Rav Meir Premishlan. Second, growing up on the LES, I saw many outstanding Rabbis and while I wasn’t fully frum, I was influenced in that I knew the difference between real and fake Judaism. Finally, I have a Middah for truth which I got from my parents. When I was about 15 my mother and I went to visit her father. When I got there, he gave me “Al Harosh” in his Yinglish. “Look vat kind grendson I got, I got a bum for a grendson. All de boys geien tze sheel in der free, but this bum geit never nish tze sheel.” I was so shocked by his outburst, because he was generally so sweet. Of course, I didn’t act, at the time, on what he said, but that changed about 15 years later. I was in a shul in my new neighborhood on Shabbos morning (that was the only time I went to shul.) Some old man heard that I was a dentist and he said, “You ah dentist, and you go to shul that’s beautiful.” At that moment I remembered my Zeide’s tirade and I said to myself, “You were right I was a bum and I’m still a bum.” It took me two years to straighten out, and the process continues. The point is that this is who I am. I don’t believe in Hashem, I know in Hashem and I know that Lubavitchers, and those who support them have no Sheiches to G-d. I know how much I’m hated online but I could care less. Someone has to stand up for the Torah which is being abused by ostensibly Orthodox Jews.
To Philosopher
Chabad has C teens for teenagers who are in public high schools and Chabad on Campus for secular college students. I can’t speak for their success rate but it’s probably similar to the mainstream Kiruv organizations. What should be understood is that when Chabad sends a couple to a city in the Jewish boondocks there is no hope for Kiruv whatsoever. Ninety percent of the Jews in these places ae intermarried so nothing can be done with them. They brag about the attendance at their Chanukah and Purim parties, but those same “Jews” will also go to X-mas and Easter parties. Sadly, fools like “always” are taken in by their propaganda. Most Jews are irretrievably lost. This is a fact. We must work on those who can be reached which is the youth, but even they will likely not change their ways. There are far more Jews going OTD than are becoming frum, but there’s little that’s being done for that scourge.
To always
You’ve repeated this Rabbi Soloveitchik mantra on numerous occasions, but now I’ll address it. First, I have never called for the abolition of the Chabad movement. Second, Rabbi Soloveitchik was discussing the Friediker Rebbe. Had he heard this Moshiach garbage, and even worse Manis Friedman’s Kefirah, you can be sure he wouldn’t have endorsed it. While I have the greatest respect for the Soloveitchiks, statements made seventy-five years ago are irrelevant to the current discussion. It’s like trying to cancel YU because Rabbi Gifter criticized it 90 years ago.
To philosopher
There’s a point that must be explained. The Gemara in Cheilek says that 1/300,000 Jews will be redeemed by Moshiach, obviously, a very small percentage. The Rebbe rejected that Gemara and said that Moshiach, meaning himself, will save every Jew. Now the only way that this can happen is if we no longer hold any Jew responsible for anything he does, an idea which undermines the basic foundation of our religion. I asked a Lubavitcher to explain the Rebbe’s source and he showed me a Sichah in which the Rebbe advanced this “scholarly” proof, “In the Haggadah we tell the wicked son that had you been there you wouldn’t have been redeemed, but we make a Diyuk, i.e. in the future Redemption even the total Rasha will be redeemed.” This is total garbage, which no rational Jew would even consider but according to Chabad it’s Emes Amiti. Several months ago, I heard YY Jacobson spouting this nonsense. He spoke with such gravity as if he was relating the Ten Commandments. In any event, the reason Chabad feels obliged to be Mikarev all Yidden and/or non-Yidden is because they have to bring the Rebbe’s fantasy to fruition. The only hope for Chabad is if they admit that he was Ababutal, that’s the Yiddish word my uncle would use for insane. You can correct me if I’m wrong. Don’t worry about “always.” He’s like a broken clock, every so often he makes a cogent remark, but it’s nullified by the dozens of others that are ridiculous.
To always
Sorry, you’re missing the point. Lubavitchers, by definition, cannot do Kiruv, because the definition of Kiruv is bringing people closer to Hashem and Lubavitchers have no connection to Hashem. I’ll prove my point. In 2023, I started writing against Chabad, initially it was on VIN. I could be harsh and several Lubavitchers wrote to me, “Aren’t you afraid of what the Rebbe is going to do to you?” This is not an aberrant position. This is how they’ve been trained to think. Now I agree with you that Chabad should continue its work. I have seen numerous success stories in the shuls I attend, but there’s no disputing that the Chabad belief system is abhorrent to any true believing Jew.
To philosopher
My experience with Chabad is from the shuls I attend. There are about 10 Rabbis and their families so there’s well over a 100 Lubavitchers. I have not seen any deviation in their religious practices Tznius etc. What you may be describing are rank and file Lubavitch women. If you look at their websites people write in as follows, “How can you dress like that? Don’t you think it upsets the Rebbe?” Again, they have no concept of a G-d who’s keeping records. The Manis Friedman Kefirah is totally accepted.
To philosopher
You post is spot on. According to Judaism, at 120 each person will be judged for every second of his life. As an example, we’ll be asked why we didn’t have Kavanah for the first Brocha of Shemoneh Esreh on May 11, 2005. In contrast, we can encapsulate the Chabad belief system as per the following, “A few years ago, a Chabad Rabbi said on VIN, “I tell everyone I meet, “There’s a special sale in Judaism, do one Mitzvah (Tefilin) and get 612 for free.” Obviously, Hashem is merciful, but we can’t assume that we’ll get a pass if we’re nonchalant in our Mitzvah observance. Chabad, on the other hand, teaches that if we do a Mitzvah, we’re doing Hashem a favor. Why don’t people understand this? Because we’re busy. If we’re rich, we’re formulating our plans for Pesach and if we’re poor, we’re trying to figure out how to make ends meet.
To yuda the maccabi
You make an interesting point, but it needs clarification because Kefirah is in the eyes of the beholder. Please provide a few examples of statements on YWN that you view as heretical and we can discuss them.
To mentsch 1
Your point is well taken. Many years ago, a friend told me that his Rabbi told him that Hashem could knock on your door and tell you exactly what he plans to do and it will still be a shock when it actually happens. We know that there is no shortage of statements from Chazal but no one knows how it will all work out. Only time will tell.
To Haimy
People are resilient. If 6000 comes and Moshiach hasn’t arrived our Rabbis will find some other Chazal to explain what happened. The Jewish people are eternal. We take a licking, but we keep on ticking.
To Anyone
I disagree with your thesis that there’s a disparity in how normative Jews view Chabad. Let me explain. First, all mainstream Jews agree that the following Chabad claims are false. That is, we reject that the Rebbe is Moshiach, was a Novi, is still alive, and we reject Manis Friedman’s contention that one can do any Aveirah of his choosing and nothing will happen to him. Second, we all agree that Lubavitchers, by and large, are very nice people and we encourage them to continue their fine Kiruv work. Where there is a difference is that one camp, of which I’m part, is troubled by Chabad’s distortions of our religion and so we address them, while the other camp overlooks the deviant Chabad belief system because they’re impressed by the good Chabad does.
To shlomo_frid
Please reread my previous post. I made one comment for you and the other for rescue. You have no reason to apologize unless you and rescue are one and the same, which I highly doubt.
To shlomo__frid
A synopsis in English please.
To rescue
Chazal say that the Jews will be redeemed if they’re totally meritorious or if they hit rock bottom so that puts a monkey wrench into your theory. Now on a personal note. You attacked me for no reason on two other threads. I asked you nicely to explain your position and you ignored my requests. You are a phony and a hypocrite. You can dish it out, but you refuse to discuss the issues like a human being. Checkmate dude. No one’s interested in your psychobabble. To borrow from the Bard, “Get thee to a Yeshiva and learn real values.”
To coffee addict
When I wrote that I thought you were a blind follower. My mistake. As I wrote in an earlier post, I spent 30 years in a Rabbi Miller based Yeshiva and many, but not most, of those who attended believed that he was infallible. I’m glad to hear that you’re rational.
To Haimy
A Rabbi whose opinions I trust also said that 6000 isn’t a sure thing. I don’t see why it’s such a big deal. We have a Torah to keep. That’s our responsibility. It’s Hashem’s decision as to when Moshiach will come.
To coffee addict
I’m very impressed with you. You listened, and most posters refuse to do that.
To rescue
How would you address someone who is saying that G-d fathered a child by the name of Schneersohn? Would you show the same courtesy for a Jew for Cheeses?
To rescue
Please tell me what I said that you find objectionable and I’ll clarify my position.
To coffee addict
I just want to add some perspective. I’m not here to bash Rabbi Miller. I completely agree that he was a great man. My only point is that he wasn’t infallible, something which many of his followers believe. Let’s just review. You started the thread by asking why some people don’t eat Empire chickens. Shortly after, Shtreimelech 1 said it’s because they used to employ MO shochtim and people haven’t forgotten. This led to my challenging the notion that Modern Orthodox are less religiously trustworthy than Charedim. I’m fully aware that some believe this, but I don’t see any basis for it. A shochet is a professional who must abide by the standards of his profession, like any other professional, Jew and gentile alike. I used to have a patient who was a Rabbi at MTJ (he moved to Lakewood). One day he told me the following, “There used to be a butcher on Grand St named Goldberg. He was clean shaven, but everyone knew that he could be trusted.” We’re talking about a neighborhood which had Rav Moshe and many other luminaries. They all trusted him. This is how I was raised. Rabbi Miller had a different view. If you want to follow him, that’s your right, but I have my own valid Hashkafah. Now if you’re one of those people who think that Rabbi Miller never made a mistake, explain why he continued defending Chabad until the end.
To coffee addict
Thank you for responding, that shows menschlichkeit. I’m familiar with Rabbi Miller’s haskgafah because I spent thirty years (1990-2020) in a Yeshiva run by his Talmud Muvhak. When Rabbi Miller’s statement came out on Toras Avigdor that “real Jews” meaning Chareidim should avoid MOs by treating them like relatives who have an infectious disease, I was furious. I brought this up to the Rosh Yeshiva and he said, “I agree 100% with Rabbi Miller.” I realized that he views Rabbi Miller as infallible. And of course, the main problem was that my Rosh Yeshiva refused to listen to anything I told him about Chabad because Rabbi Miller liked Chabad. I agree that Rabbi Miller was a great man, but there are things that he said that were wrong. So, let’s consider your theory that Rabbi Miller likes Charedim because they adopt Chumrahs. Well, I learn about seven hours a day and I also write a very well received weekly Dvar Torah over the internet. I do all this while maintaining my practice. Trust me. I love Hashem. I’m a Lower East Side Jew. We don’t judge people by their beards and black hats. If Rabbi Miller wanted to say that he prefers Charedim because they’re more devoted to Hashem, I would respectfully disagree with his opinion. The problem was that he used the term “infectious disease” to describe tens of thousands of observant Jews. You gave examples of MOs who do questionable things. That’s true but there are a great many Charedim in jail for various forms of theft. That’s an Issur Doraysa and it’s a form of Kefirah, because it means that they don’t believe that Hashem provides their Parnasah. But you won’t find me making blanket statements that all Charedim are atheists. No, they believe in Hashem, but we all have a Yetzer hora and Teivos. The only group I criticize is Chabad because in their belief system, the Rebbe and not Hashem is in control. Let’s continue this, I’m impressed with your responses because you seem like an Ish Emes.
To rescue
There’s definitely a materialism problem in the frum community. My point is that you’re making nebulous pseudo-academic statements which are too generic to lead to meaningful discussion. Are you upset with frum Jews in general or with its leadership? If you would clarify that point it would be a good place to start.
To coffee addict
You are fixated on Chumrahs. I didn’t say that MO’s are better Jews than Charedim. I simply challenged the opinion of Rabbi Miller, and those who agree with him, that MOs are on a lower stratus, because that’s nonsense. I don’t know why you think that adopting Chumrahs elevates a Jew. I’ll share a story. About 30 years ago I attended my cousin’s wedding. It was held in a Brooklyn catering hall. When I arrived a local (LES) Rebbitzen told me, “I came to the wedding, but I won’t eat anything here, because it’s not Kosher enough for me. It’s not uncommon for people who adopt Chumrahs to violate Doraysas. This woman had no right to cast aspersions on the hall. If she didn’t want to eat, that was her right, but she should have kept her mouth shut. Again, I’m waiting for you to give your definition of MO.
To somejew
You’re making a wrong assumption. Not every Mechallel Shabbos has the status of an Apikorus.
To always
The Bobover Rebbe was in a class by himself. I heard this story, “One day some fellow walked into the Bobov Beis Hamedrash and he was garishly dressed. In addition, he was clean shaven. The Rebbe greeted him and after a short conversation he left. The Rebbe noticed the looks on the faces of his Chassidim and so he said, “Die trachts as ehr hut nisht kein bood(beard). Ehr hut a bood, uber ehr geit dis interveinig.” YYA can correct my Yiddish, I know it’s not good, but you should get the point. YWN is now infected by rescue who is a one trick pony, all he does is criticize. Clearly, that’s not the Torah way.
To DaMoshe
She showed up on a different thread. I agree with YYA that she should be ignored and that’s why I’m not challenging her. This is not to say that there aren’t Lubavichers who view the Rebbe as a deity. There certainly are.
To rescue
If you have such a negative opinion of Orthodox Jews, why don’t you join the irreligious? Many years ago, I spoke to the mother of a girl I was dating, (the mother wasn’t observant, but she was very nice). She told me about something that a frum Jew did that totally turned her off from the religion. I mentioned this to my Rosh Yeshiva and he told me, “You should have asked her if she knows any bad irreligious Jews and if she does why didn’t seeing them make her become frum?” Instead of casting aspersions on others learn to work on yourself. You’re clearly far from perfect.
To Koifer Bikur
What’s best is to work on yourself rather than trying to change the world. I understand your frustration, but the situation isn’t going to change until Hashem decides that He’s had enough of this rampant obsession with Gashmiyus.
To Coffee Addict
If we can’t come to a consensus as to what Modern Orthodox means, then how can we make any cogent statements. It’s clear that you agree with Rabbi Miller that Charedim are better Jews than MO’s, but that’s based on your prejudiced view of Modern Orthodoxy. Rabbi Miller didn’t define MOs. He simply said that Charedim should avoid being stained by them. Do you consider Rav Herschel Shachter Modern Orthodox? I’m certain that Rabbi Miller did. Well he may very well be the Gadol Hador of our time. Again, it shouldn’t be that difficult for you to offer a definition of MOs. I’m waiting.
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“;’/To DaMoshe
Don’t waste your time with that buffoon. He throws meaningless terms against the wall and hopes that something will stick. He obviously thinks that morality is defined by western values rather than the Torah and so there’s no getting through to him. Last year I brought up that Rav Aharon Feldman called Manis Friedman a Kofer for saying that any Jew can do any sin and face no punishment from Hashem. One of the posters on YWN had the nerve to say that Rabbi Feldman had no right to criticize that atheist unless he first called him to get a clarification as to what he meant. It’s crazy out there and getting crazier by the minute. Keep up the great work and ignore that pompous fool who deigns to pass judgment on others.
To rescue
The woman said that the Rebbe is the “Son of G-d.” Should we show her respect for having a “slightly” different viewpoint than our own? Hell no. We can excuse her as being psychotic, but that’s about the best we can do. If you’re siding with her and against DaMoshe, then your religious beliefs are dubious to say the least. Perhaps you also agree with the Kofer Manis Friedman who said that G-d no longer punishes Jews because of the long, bitter Golus.
To rescue
I’m a little confused. Are you criticizing the way I deal with Chabad? If that’s your opinion, then I’ll address it. I write in a rather folksy manner, while you tend towards the academic approach, so it’s a bit off-putting. Clarify and I’ll be glad to respond to your concerns.
To YYA
Obviously, had he put it as you did, there would be no problem, but as I’ve stated, Rabbi Plutchok told me that Millerites and Lubavichers are cult members and so they believe that their leaders are infallible. To be sure I know many Lubavichers who would agree with that Rabbi, but they would never publicly embarrass another Jew because they have good Middos. The same is true for Rabbi Miller’s followers. The problem is their inability to listen to any opposing viewpoint. To be fair, I had very few personal dealings with Rabbi Miller, but I spent thirty years with his Talmud Muvhak. He’s a wonderful person but any challenge to Rabbi Miller’s view gets you a one-way ticket you know where. Coming from the Feinsteins that didn’t sit well with me. You’ll probably ask why I went there. It was 1990 and I wanted to learn Gemara, I knew almost nothing at the time, and I read about the Yeshiva in the Jewish Press, so I signed up. I made a lot of friends and developed a taste for learning. As for Rabbi Miller’s shittahs, I basically ignored them.
To rescue
Would you elaborate on your last post? please cite example(s).
To DaMoshe and GadolHadofi
You beat me to the punch. Of course, the Chabad apologists will call her just another crazy that we should ignore as exceptions to the rule. Hameivin yavin
To Yaakov Yosef A
I’m definitely a follower of Toras Moshe, but I am not a follower of any Rabbi. Let me explain what I mean with a story. In 2004, I attended a certain shul (YI) whose Rav was Chabad. It was Shabbos Parshas Bo, and I sponsored the Kiddush, in honor of my father’s Yahrtzeit. The custom of the shul was for the Baal Yahrtzeit to give a speech. I gave a Dvar Torah in which I quoted Rashi that most Jews died in the ninth plague because they didn’t want to be leave Egypt, and so we should never give up hope of being redeemed, if we want to be in that twenty percent who’ll be saved by Moshiach. I sat down and then the Rabbi commented, “I want to thank Dr. “Qwerty” for sponsoring this week’s Kiddush, but I want to add that his speech is totally wrong. The Rebbe said that the Final Redemption won’t be like Yetzias Mitzrayim, because every Jew will be saved.” That’s total Chutzpah. He had every right to say that the Rebbe disagreed with me, but he had no right to say I was wrong. No Rabbi Has the final word. Judaism embraces differences of opinion. As for Rabbi Plutchok, he’s an out of the box thinker and so when he says he doesn’t know what’s right he means that he won’t “Pasken” on such questions as the age of the universe, evolution and other controversial subjects. But obviously he doesn’t stray one iota from our Mesorah and neither do I.
To yankel berel
As much as I love and respect you, somejew doesn’t represent a fringe of Judaism. All, or at least most, of Chabad have surrendered their free will to accept their handlers’ lies. Then we have the Millerites who blindly accept everything Rabbi Miller said. In much of the Charedi world shutting off one’s mind is obligatory. There’s no question that this has contributed to the number of OTD’s. Rescue has opened a very important thread. Sadly, I don’t believe that there can ever be rapprochement between the two sides because the braindead are convinced that their approach is mandated by the Torah.
To rescue
This subject is near and dear to my heart. There are two types of Orthodox Jews: followers and non-followers. What’s a follower? Many years ago, an acquaintance told me, “I tell everyone I meet that I don’t need my brain because I just do everything that Rabbi Miller says.” What’s a non-follower? Some years back I was with a group, and I stated that I’m anti-Chabad. One fellow remarked, “Oh you must be a follower of Dr. Berger.” I responded, “No. I’m an “agreer” of Dr. Berger. We came to the same conclusion but we each got there in our own way.” What are the characteristics of a follower? He’s convinced that he’s right about every issue and will never engage in any real discussion. Most often he’s following some dogmatic Rabbi. Non-followers recognize that we don’t have all the answers and we’re willing to listen and consider other points of view. As my Rav, Rabbi Moshe Plutchok said, “I don’t know what’s right, but I know what’s wrong.”
To Sechel83
Congratulations. Let it be that the Rebbe isn’t a Kofer because he argued with the Smag, but he is a Kofer because he claimed he’s a Novi without offering any proof. And he’s a Kofer because he said he’s god clothed in human form. And he’s a Kofer because he rejected the Gemare in Cheilek. But I thank you for writing. You prove conclusively, that Lubavichers are brain dead followers of the nut job called Schneersohn
To aaq
You’re a master of obfuscation, but I’m going to clarify the subject. Coffee addict started this thread by asking why some frum Jews won’t eat Empire. On Jan 25th Shtreimlich 1 gave an answer, “Empire used to use Modern shochtim and so this Yerusha has carried down.” Shtreimilich made it clear that in his view, at least, MO’s are less observant than other Orthodox Jews. I think that his assessment is correct and then I explained where this attitude comes from. It derives from bigoted Rabbis like Rabbi Miller who propagated the myth that Charedim are better than the Modern. I then suggested two possible reasons for Rabbi Miller’s position. I don’t know if they are the true reasons, and I don’t care. He’s clearly wrong. Case closed.
To akuperma
I concur that you have the right to spend your money as you see fit, but if you indulge in Gashmiyus and ignore Ruchniyus, you’ll be very disappointed when you come to the next world. I can’t tell you how to balance the two, for that you need to speak to your Rav, assuming he isn’t also gashmiyus driven as are so many of them.
To rescue
I like your style, not only in this thread but in general. Keep up the good work.
To Serendipity
You’re preaching to the choir. I could go on for hours. Pesach vacations, Yeshiva week. Orthodox Judaism is Gashmius with a side order of Daf Yomi. The Yetzer hora has taken full advantage of the wealth in the frum community to take us away from Hashem. Great post. It should do very well.
To aaq
You’re exactly right. Rabbi Miller believed that the MO were a virus that would infect his holy Charedim, but you didn’t explain why he felt that way. I’d like to present two reasons. First, he often said that the Chitzonius affects the Pnimiyos. Because of this principle it was important to dress as befits a Ben Torah. He therefore had disdain for the MO who dress casually. But there’s another reason that’s more to the point. Rabbi Miller felt that rank-and-file Jews should blindly follow their mentors and this isn’t the system in the MO world. Now we should be clear that not all Charedi Rabbis accept Rabbi Miller’s approach. I’m a Lower East Sider and the Feinsteins never told us what to do. My current Rav, Rabbi Plutchok also doesn’t believe that a Rav should throw his weight around.
To somejewiknow
Sorry, it’s not obvious. He stated clearly that he’s referring to those MO’s who keep the Torah. Now I know why you’re defending Rabbi Miller. He despised the State of Israel as you do, but with one big difference, he also was against Neturei Karta.
To Gadolhadorah
You nailed it. That’s exactly my point. Thank you.
To coffee addict
I’ll repeat his quote, “The MO’s keep the Torah and we’re obligated to love them. However, we should treat them as relatives who have an infectious disease and stay as far away from them as possible.” That sounds like it’s Der Sturmer worthy. As for your comment about blasting people in Kollel, he was referring to individuals who don’t want to work and want to live off their spouses and in-laws. He wasn’t vilifying an entire population. No comparison whatsoever.
To Sechel83
You accept that he had relations with every species in the universe. There are approximately 10 million species in the world. You do the math. He had the relations in about five or six hours. Even Wilt Chamberlain wasn’t that busy. Obviously, that Midrash isn’t meant to be taken literally. I will withdraw my statement about challenging a Rishon with one caveat. The Vilna Gaon was on the level of a Rishon. The Rebbe was an engineer and Shul Rabbi. That’s a major difference.
To yankel berel
Obviously, I’m not interested in anything Sechel says. I just want him around because Yedl and Shimon Katz try to defend Chabad by arguing that there are a handful of crazies. Sechel represents mainstream Chabd. They accept any insanity if it can be used to prove their lunacy.
To yedl
I heard Rabbi Shais Taub speak the other day and I was impressed. He actually sounded like a real Jew.To Sechel
I’ll respond to you if you answer the following two questions A. When did the Gaon argue against a Rishon? B. Do you believe that Adam Harishon had relations with every species in the world on the day he was created?
To yedl
I assume that you would consider Sechel as one of the handful of crazies. IMHO he represents the common Lubavicher, a brainwashed idiot when it comes to the Kofer in Queens but a perfectly functioning Jew in all other aspects of his life.
To coffee addict
Reports of my demise have been greatly exaggerated. You’re convinced that Aaq has refuted me but I don’t see it. Basically he repeated what Rabbi Miller said which is that Modern Orthodox Jews are second class citizens. I want an explanation for this view. In my not so humble opinion, all observant Jews are equal.
To yedl
I like and respect you but we’re going in circles. The Rabbi who told me that the Rebbe said he’s Moshiach in 1951 is also the one who said that when he became Moshiach he shut down Gehinnom. This jibes with Manis Friedman who says that no Jew can be punished anymore due to the long bitter Golus. His last name is Okunov if that helps you. We just had Seichel, whom I consider to be a typical Lubavicher, stating that the Rebbe is greater than Moshe Rabbeinu. He’s not crazy. He’s just repeating what he’s been told. Why don’t you tell me the profile of what you consider to be a “normal” Lubavicher? In addition, do you agree with me that the Rebbe was a Kofer for rejecting the Gemara in Cheilek which says that very few Jews will be redeemed by Moshiach and for stating that the Rayatz, and perhaps himself, were Noviim?