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Wolf, I will not apologize for my highly succesful Kiruv Richokim avodah. The Emes always prevails. Hiding from it is no mehalach.
My beloved brothers who have returned (or joined for the first time) Avodas Hashem Yisborach, have built up taira Yiddishe Mishpochos for doros. The only thing knocked down is their former aveiras. The Ahavas Yisroel instilled in them is truly remarkable. They indeed are an encouragement for future returnees.
You’re sugarcoating that gehenim doesn’t apply. With that attitude, not only is it inferior and untrue, it is no true kiruv.
The Emes is always the most sucessful tool in Kiruv. I can say as much with much successful experience.
I doubt _you_ have much success with that dismissal attitude of the Emes.
Baruch Hashem I have a lot to write home about in this inyan.
There were few and far between cases of a death penalty nature of any kind. We are a holy nation. That’s why we are the chosen nation.
Sorry Wolf, my succesful Kiruv work must continue. You of course are free to choose your own course. Its called bechira.
You’re forgetting murder is hardly a Jewish crime. There were so few cases to begin with.
It very well may put the fear of G-d back in them.
Because there are enough technicalities out there perhaps. Age (over 13) isn’t one of them.
Incorrect The Wolf. Offering excuses, and sugarcoating the truth in fact is what makes OTD people think its okay being OTD, and discourages their return to sanity.
I strongly beg to differ. And you have offered no evidence other than conjecture. The extents the Beis Din went to avoid implementing a death sentence, were technical ones. They did so for a 13 year old and for a 43 year old. Being 13 is no more an excuse for avoiding the death penalty, al pi din, than being 43 years old.
Wolf: Other than your own conjecture, which I believe is wrong, there is no reason to believe a 13 year old is treated differently by Beis Din than a 43 year old who committed the same crime/circumstances.
A Jew dresses like a Jew. Its always was that way, from the time we were in Eretz Mitzrayim, and always should be that way. The uniform of the Jew may vary over time, but there is always a Jewish uniform.
Let’s not sugarcoat it. It doesn’t help anyone, most certainly not an OTD person. A teen who goes OTD will roast like a toast in gehenim. Are there mitigating factors? Perhaps. But not excuses. Will someone else who pushed him have hell to pay also? Very possibly. But that won’t necessarily save the teen from the fire.
When you sugarcoat this, you essentially kasher going OTD.
Wolf: I do believe the halachic limit on how much you may mark up a product in price is based upon cost.
Considering the extreme left-wing posts that make it past moderation, I don’t see any basis to censor Reb Moshe Rose more than them.
In my opinion, the root of many of the OTD problems is the spoiled self-centered children that are being mis-trained at home.
Thank You WellInformedYid! I truly appreciate your posting these Sgulos.
I am sure this knowledge, and most importantly acting upon this knowledge, will enormously help many people benefit from these Segulos.
There is nothing to respect about a willful repeated unrepentant Torah violator.
oomis1105: Please check out Pirkei Avos for an example of how Chazal advise men to talk to close women relatives.
A man over 13 years of age (and a woman over 12 years of age) are responsible for their own actions.
I heard from a CC rabbi that the Chofetz Chaim colored shirt thing is supposedly an offshoot of the approach that existed in the Slabodka Yeshiva, where Rabbi Lebowitz, the CC Rosh Yeshiva, learned. They focused a lot there on what’s known as Gadlus HaAdam, the greatness of man, and one of the reasons was because in those days Yeshiva guys were considered lowly and it was hard to feel proud to be one. So they made them dress a little spiffy amongst other things, to boost their morale and self-image. The CC people sort of carried that over, and to them, it manifests in their wearing colored shirts. If you ask me, it doesn’t accomplish anything nowadays and just serves to make CC different in the eyes of the rest of the Yeshiva world. I am nobody to tell them what to do, but I dont see what they’re gaining.