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moment it is opportune to appeal to any OTD person.
Suicide is a big mistake also an emotional response gone haywire. One must not do that – please call for help.
Maybe you could do something about the science courses too. Wishing you success.
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ALL secular literature, (except for technical books e.g. maths , plumbing, medicine etc.) are forbidden because by reading them one contravenes halacha (Jewish Law) :
DaMoshe- It is NEVER an “informed” positon to go “OFF THE DERECH” OTD, it is an emotional response that is the cause of it. Begging someone to COME BACK is good, becaue it is BOTH an emotional and intellectual respons to OTD , but in keeping with halacha( Jewish Law).
Don’t be embarrassed to come back.
Repeating an important message – “PuhLease”- please come back on the derech! We need you. You know Yiddishkeit is THE BEST. Wishing you strength for this very onerous test, to overcome it.
Begging you.
Notasheep- you say you love Yiddiskeit, but your activities have been exposed by you in this thread, but you are really better than that – we all could be better.
There is no reason for anyone to be hypocritical- just admit what is permitted and what is not.
Likely very few.
“Veltz Meshugener” – please agree that the following type of attitude, a lack of respect of Yiddiskeit, is the predominent cause of OTD-“going off the derech”:
Jewish “horizons” are “state of the art” there is none better.
The goyim have some chochma, mostly technology and similar, but the seven pillars of wisdom are still Torah which INCLUDES all wisdom including that of the goyim.
The misguided attitude of investing customs and behaviours from the goyim with importance leads to a perception in the OTD person that he or she is climbing a ladder, when in fact they are descending the ladder and at a very rapid rate, has v shalom.
“PuhLease”- please come back on the derech! We need you. You know Yiddishkeit is THE BEST. Wishing you strenght for this very onerous test, to overcome it.
“Veltz Meshugener” – please agree that the following type of attitude, a lack of respect of Yiddiskeit, is the predominent cause of OTD-“going off the derech”:
“Probably the biggest benefit to reading is expanding your horizons and encountering new ways to think of things”.your words in this post.
I omitted to say the quote are the words of “Veltz Meshuger”, with which I disagree as I explained in my previous post.
Not a sheep, you wrote:
“Veltz Meshugener” – please agree that the following type of attitude, a lack of respect of Yiddiskeit, is the predominent cause of OTD-“going off the derech”:
“Probably the biggest benefit to reading is expanding your horizons and encountering new ways to think of things”.
Jewish “horizons” are “state of the art” there is none better.
The goyim have some chochma, mostly technology and similar, but the seven pillars of wisdom are still Torah which INCLUDES all wisdom including that of the goyim.
The misguided attitude of investing customs and behaviours from the goyim with importance leads to a perception in the OTD person that he or she is climbing a ladder, when in fact they are descending the ladder and at a very rapid rate, has v shalom.
Wisey- Haleivi said “come on to anything”.
I was explaining that Hashem does not do that – He is everywhere. I quoted, then corrected his words – notice the quotation marks?
“Veltz Meshugener” – please agree that the following type of attitude, a lack of respect of Yiddiskeit, is the predominent cause of OTD-“going off the derech”:
“Probably the biggest benefit to reading is expanding your horizons and encountering new ways to think of things” -your words from another thread in the coffee room.
Jewish horizons are “state of the art” there is none better.
The goyim have some chochma, mostly technology and similar, but the seven pillars of wisdom are still Torah which INCLUDES all wisdom including that of the goyim.
The misguided attitude of investing customs and behaviours from the goyim with importance leads to a perception in the OTD person that he or she is climbing a ladder, when in fact they are descending the ladder and at a very rapid rate, has v shalom.
Why then glorify that which is not glorious? The Torah says what is forbidden, and reading “most secular literature” is one of the things that are forbidden. “Forbidden” is just another word to say something is on par with a toxic substance, which can affect the body AND the mind. Give it up.
Magic-black magic or white magic are the same and are both forbidden to us as are the books on them or referencing them. Rabbi Rubinstein was making the point that kishuf (magic) powers are much less today than they were years ago, however it is still forbidden for us to read.
Thank you Matan1- the Netziv did indeed close the yeshiva because the government demanded Russian and math to be taught.
Basic and complex literacy in English can be learned by studying some suitable Jewish texts in English, or in the translations into English from their original Hebrew of suitable Jewish books.
One thing is for sure – it is forbidden to believe that the Rav read those books.
What in fact are secular books other than scripts for a circus, a theatrical performance, an opera, a film etc , which are also not allowed for Jewish people by the Torah?
Basic and complex literacy in English can be learned by studying some suitable Jewish texts in English, or in the translations into English from their original Hebrew of suitable Jewish books.
J-M-H- Also, Sukka requires only very basic measuring skills.
Matan1 – the Rabbi thought it was co-wtitten, because the book says it was written by ‘r. Crusoe” with Defoe’s name on the front. It makes it look like an autobiography with a co-author.
The Rabbi would not have mentioned the book if he had known that people converted to x-tianity, as part of the book’s plot.
He mentioned it because he had not read it, but thought it to have been a factual record when in fact it was fiction.
“r.Crusoe” is treif, but the sin of lashon hara can be likened to murder, so it is very important to say not to say lashon hara-the Rabbi thought the book was a biography “co-written” with Defoe, and as I explained previosly above – it is clear he did not read it.
To say what you said about a gadol IS derogatory, and IS lason hara.
The definition of lashon hara extends to things that may be true also. However you have to use your sechel also, to see that a book on a shelf ( of which the person may not even be fully aware ) does not prove he read it.
That several people with slightly circumscribed writing and spelling skills may say to the contrary, will never convince anyone that suitable Jewish books are in any way lacking for the purposes of teaching English – they are not.
A book lying on the bottom of a bookshelf in an institution is not proof that a gadol has read it. To say he did is lashon hara.
Suitable Jewish books are excellent ways to learn English. Most secular books are totally unsuitable to be read for any reason including for the purposes of learning English and are forbidden to us.
[taste] or smell.” Parsha Vaeshanan [4:28] Not good at all.
[taste] or smell.” Parsha Vaeshanan [4:28]Also, math has been learned by Jewish people at the very basic level at home and that is all that is necessary in day to day life.
Go to bed, may you only have good dreams.
No, Hashem does not have a body, although He has spoken of Himself in terms which may give some ignorant people the idea to ascribe actual physical corporeality to Him, and that would be a big mistake because He has no physical existence at all.
To even suggest that Hashem having created the entire universe and being fully in charge of it, is not all- hearing all- seeing, omniscient and a witness to everthing that has ever happened or will ever happen is entirely against the fundamentals of Yiddishkeit.
No one, because the person’s qualifications cannot be checked, their advice cannot be presumed to have any validity.
On the other hand if you have sources from Torah that are used correctly and not against their intent, that is another matter again.
When any tree anywhere falls it makes noise, and Hashem hears.
The way the phrase was written is ambiguous – open to several interpretations, apart from having zero rational input into the discussion.
The Torah is from Hashem and not from the x-tians.
There is nothing to help the argument for most secular books – they are still prohibited.
No, MEXIPLEXI I would NEVER recommend the stupidity you are accusing me of. Troll of the x-tian variety are you?
“If a person tells you there is wisdom among the nations of the world, believe him. If a person tells you there is Torah among the nations of the world, do not believe him” (Eicha Rabba 2)
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Z-D: We are talking here about learning English by Jewish children and young adults in order to be able to earn a livelihood in a permitted way according to Torah – both the learning and the earning.
Z-D: The Torah is from Hashem, not from the X-tians. You finally exposed yourself.
Could it be an affliction from above for associating with the internet and CR? Could be. Happy you are feeling better.
Z-D:
You have quoted selectively from Rabbi Shlomo Freifeld, assuming the quote supports all the things that Gedolim reject which it does not, however this is what Rabbi Shlomo Freifeld wrote:
“During the exile in Egypt, the spiritual exile in the land of Egypt, the Jewish people were hemmed in. The name Mitzrayim, Egypt, is also understood as metzarim, boundaries. A meitzar is a narrow boundary of confinement. The Jewish people were in a situation of narrowness in which the Jewish soul could not express itself.
Ancient Egypt had a highly developed culture, a big culture that made tremendous contributions to civilization. Good and fine, but the singular spirit that our forefathers represented, the spirit that emanated from the essence of their beings and that was perpetuated in their children afterwards, that spirit was stifled. When the Jewish people were immersed in the Egyptian culture, they could not express themselves in their own modes of expression. Their inner beings remained unarticulated. They were forced into a situation where they found themselves speaking an alien language, literally and figuratively.
Z-D:You would be surprised in the number of people who would go to both opera AND wrestling.
Refraining by Jewish people from reading most secular literature is already well established. A book leads to magazine leads to music leads to a play leads to a film leads to a theatre leads to an opera leads to a ballet leads to a wrestling ring leads to contests. All forbidden.
Reading of secular literature by Jewish people sounds like a very off – color joke – something imposed on us to attain qualifications to be able to compete for employment and access higher education.
Matan 1: Why bother asking your question, because you have seemed to have made up your mind.
Please make yourself aware of the prohibitions.
Hashem is pleased if the wine we drink is Kosher and one says a bracha before and after and does not become shikker, except just slightly only on Purim, and certainly not in the Beis Hamikdash.
There is no need to call for calm. Just call for reason.
Some things are not acceptable and that fact is good to accept.
You have got to be trolling.
You are very perceptive and praiseworthy in your search for appropriate material.
For poetry : Tehillim in English translation, Song of Songs, Haazinu etc etc
Please Daniella she did NOT say Shanna Tova through the thick glass!
I am wondering about YOUR credibility, and I really hope you will forgive me but please read more carefully. A Shanna Tova too to you Daniella, my dear Jewish sister.
Sam2, yes certainly, that Hawking exists, we know, and that Hashem created him.
We can all make a bracha on seeing Hawking if we ever see him, no denying it. However even a genius must entertain the possibility of a Creator, and for that reason I see a deficit.
To even mention Hawking in the same breath as Rav Moshe Feinstein is really tooo much. The superlative intellect of the Rav is already established.
from my previous post were precisely pertinent to the problem at hand and were a direct quote from his own mouth, so it cannot be in anyway misconstrued that his words have been misused.
Also a person given the advice to go to a kosher restaurant would find it difficult to follow if there is no kosher restaurant around.
BOOKS
That is why I would not recommend the books recommended by the previous poster. (3rd one above this post)
If in certain parts of the world there is a law that legislates against homosexuality, were there any witnesses and if so, were they reliable?
Does a Jewish person need any of the above mentioned cases? No.
Of course I meant to write: